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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 397
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
WJSV [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
Floppy records [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
Looking through the glasses of the t [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
Today in Radio History [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
Cardboard records [ "Arte" <arte@[removed]; ]
Student term papers [ Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@yahoo. ]
Finding quality MP3s . [ OTRChris@[removed] ]
MP3 [ "[removed]" <swells@[removed]; ]
Re: Vocalists' offspring [ alo <alo@[removed]; ]
Offspring [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
MP3s: Down to Business [ Don Taylor <don@[removed]; ]
Re: CARDBOARD RECORDS Redeux [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
Vocalist's kid [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
Singers' Offspring [ andy ryan <anbryan2000@[removed]; ]
Re: WJSV [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Vocalists' Offspring [ "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@rivnet ]
Vocalists' offspring [ "Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed]; ]
Re: Vocalist offspring [ Garpboy@[removed] ]
Cardboard record questions [ vigor16@[removed] ]
Re: Offspring [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
Junior Tonsils [ neil crowley <og@[removed]; ]
Fred Caposella [ Osborneam@[removed] ]
RE: Vocalists' Offspring [ Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed]; ]
son of singer [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
Kids who are (or were) as talented a [ SacChief@[removed] ]
my jack benny mp3 problem [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:13:02 -0500
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: WJSV
I don't mean to gang-up on Bill Murtaugh, whose posts to the Digest are
always insightful, but Bill Harris is right about the opening announcement
on September 21, 1939 from WJSV. The station is identified as a CBS owned
station.
Further, Robert Metz in his book on CBS entitled CBS: REFLECTIONS IN A
BLOODSHOT EYE, states, "At WJSV in Washington, [removed], a station then owned
by [removed] ."(p. 175). Metz' book, in its paperback form, was published by
New American Library in 1976.
Of course, neither of these sources makes it true. Perhaps someone can set
the record straight here. If memory serves me, this issue has surfaced
before.
Dennis Crow
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:13:40 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Floppy records
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 09:13:35 -0500
From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
As well, the magazine in question was not Playboy, but one of its
competing cheapjack clones in the skin rag trade, Gallery.
As I recall, Gallery began as a close immitation of Playboy in format and
was published, ostensibly, by F. Lee Bailey. Eventually, he, or whatever
group or entity he was part of, sold the magazine, and its format
changed. But the early issues could easily be mistaken for Playboy if
you didn't look at the title.
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed]
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:14:11 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Looking through the glasses of the time
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 08:26:53 -0500
From: JackBenny@[removed]
I suppose the ultimate question is, "Why does it matter?" And I am
convinced that, as Chris noted, that the original writers had no thought
to the possible "revisionist views" of their work.
Another famous instance is the book "Seduction of the Innocent," by Dr.
Frederick Wertham, which was a tirade against the comic book industry.
While there probably were some comic books that deserved to be criticized
as being unsuitable for children, Dr. Wertham overstated his case, going
so far as to suggest that Batman and Robin were homosexual and that
children recognized them to be such.
I've always thought that was the reason that "Aunt Harriet" lived with
Bruce Wayne and Dick Grayson in the Batman TV show.
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed]
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:14:28 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in Radio History
From Those Were The Days --
1942 - The characters of Allen's Alley were presented for the first time
on The Fred Allen Show. This particular segment of the show became very
popular and was used by Allen until 1949. Remember the stops along the
way in Allen's Alley? They were at the Brooklyn tenement of Mrs.
Nussbaum, the farmhouse of Titus Moody, the shack of Ajax Cassidy and
the antebellum mansion of Senator Beauregard Claghorn.
From long time list member --
December 13, 1951 - Stars in the Air premiered over CBS Radio, a popular
radio anthology series.
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:13:15 -0500
From: "Arte" <arte@[removed];
To: "OldRadio Mailing List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Cardboard records
I vaguely remember a record on a cereal box. I don't recall
what was on it, but I remember as a kid cutting it out and
playing it on my record player. I seem to remember it not
sounding very good.
This would have been in the late 50's some time.
Arte
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:27:50 -0500
From: Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Student term papers
Just thought I'd mention that several of this year's crop of term papers on
various aspects of broadcast history contained a number of bibliographic
references to a source by the name of McLeod. And they weren't all
references to Amos 'n' Andy, either.
Alan
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:18 -0500
From: OTRChris@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Finding quality MP3s .
Many, Many people are collecting OTR in MP3 right now.
I am sure that the lower price is a major factor but also the smaller
storage space required cannot be overlooked and the convenience of so many
shows on one disc . On a trip I can take just one CD rather than tug around
25 cassette tapes or more. It's really nice.
However, I do want my shows to have some sense of sound quality and I do not
mind paying a higher price to those dealers who offer these higher quality
MP3s.
There are a lot of fine dealers with a quality OTR product but they for the
most part are not dealing in MP3. For those of us collecting in MP3 it would
be nice to know who the MP3 dealers are that really care about the OTR
quality they are offering and turn out the higher quality work. These MP3 OTR
dealers are the ones who I want to do business with . Anyone have
recomendations (perhaps this needs to be shared off list) ?
Thank You
-Chris
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:23 -0500
From: "[removed]" <swells@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: MP3
Chris asks: Can quality exist at a rate of 32 if handled correctly?
The answer is yes. The main issue, as Charlie pointed out, is the actual
source material used. If you use high generations open reels, cassettes,
then this will cause some problems. I encoded many series' at 32/22 a few
years ago that sound pretty good. I personally changed the way I encode them
because I think the end result is a bit better. It's all a matter of taste
to some extent. Bear in mind that I would never put anyone's hard work down,
even if it sounded bad. I would imagine that there are a few people here who
make their own Mp3's and they can tell you that it is no easy task, but the
end result is much better, easier to organize than thousands of reels, etc.
For example, take today's music ; to make a good quality mp3 from that
you would always want to use at least 44/128 or better. Now with OTR we are
not dealing with material that is Dolby [removed] digital quality, or THX
Certified to start with. Here you have recordings that are analog at best.
When I work on a show, my main concern is making the sound as best as I can,
without ruining the show. For this, I use Cool Edit Pro. I know it carries a
big price tag ( [removed] ) and then the mp3 addition, but it is well worth it
in my opinion. It has all the features from, various equalizers, noise
reductions, amplifier, etc, etc.
You know what's neat, I have made reels and a couple of friends by just
reversing the cables from my computer back to the open reel deck and the
stereo receiver. Talk about old technology meeting new ! Anyway, by doing
it this way you can create some very clean tape recordings, no transfer
hiss, etc.
Shawn
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:25 -0500
From: alo <alo@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Vocalists' offspring
At 09:22 AM 12/13/2001 -0500, Al Girard wrote in part:
Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that
was any good at all? I sure can't.
<cough> Liza Minnelli <cough>
(Judy Garland had another kid with a great set of pipes, too, btw, Lorna
Luft.)
hth,
Amanda
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:29 -0500
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Offspring
"Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that was any good at all? I sure
can't"
What about Lisa Minelli?
Bill Knowlton
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:35 -0500
From: Don Taylor <don@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: MP3s: Down to Business
Everyone,
>From a mostly lurker's point of view, I've seen a lot of comments
about MP3s and those who sell them, and I think Charlie's last post
nails it -- the problem with poor MP3 recordings lies with dealers who
just don't give a rip.
Now to the real point: Out of the morass of bad dealers, can anyone
recommend some good, reliable ones that deal in good products?
Thanks!
-Don Taylor
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:42 -0500
From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: CARDBOARD RECORDS Redeux
"Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; quotes me and responds:
an issue of Oui that contained a cardstock single of one of the tracks
from
The Beatles' audition session for Decca [removed]
THAT issue, I bought; I was not yet an adult when the Gallery came out.
I must confess that, similarly, _I_ was not an adult when that Gallery issue
came out, either. I just looked and sounded older. Somewhat similar to the
stories of too many of us, I suspect. :-)
For the sake of leaving no stone unturned, there _was_ a tongue-in-cheek
request that Hugh Hefner incorporate one of those Evatone Sound Sheets into
an issue of Oui. It came in Harlan Ellison's essay, "The 3 Most Important
Things in Life," in the ?March 1978 issue. As he describes his half-day in
the employ of the Walt Disney Company, Ellison made the request in order to
display how well he could imitate the voice of Mickey Mouse, an element
vital to the story. (The rest of the story can be found in Ellison's
EDGEWORKS 2 and STALKING THE NIGHTMARE, while the basics of the tale appear
on a page at [removed]) The Mickey Mouse reference should bring this
marginally on-topic, I suspect.
Thank you, Dave.
No problem. You're welcome.
Next time, I'll just keep my trap shut.
Don't sweat it. Sometimes the only way to determine how close you are to the
canyon is to fall over the cliff.
Then, Roo61@[removed] (Randy Watts) quotes Michael Biel and responds:
As for actual cardboard discs: does
anybody remember when you could get a
Monkees record on the back of a box of
cereal circa 1971?
I suspect the Monkees items were slightly earlier; Kellogg's had been a
sponsor of the original run of the Monkees' TV show on NBC from September
1966 through August 1968, and continued their sponsorship when reruns popped
up on CBS from 1968 to 1970. By the end of '70, the group had completely
disbanded, so I suspect it wasn't likely that the cereal box records would
be promoted in '71. However, there were three other such promotions around
the same time: The Archies, the studio group formed for the Filmations
version of the cartoon, had two sets of box records; another studio outfit,
The Sugar Bears, did a tune titled "You are the one" that was pressed into
the backs of boxes of Post Super Sugar Crisp; and the Chicago teen rock band
The Shadows of Knight did one record, "Potato Chip" (which incorporated a
clip from their big chart hit of 1966, "Gloria"), which was pressed into the
backs of one (forgotten) brand's potato chip boxes as a counter to Red Dot
Potato Chips' including a cut-out 45 from Mercury or Chess Records in their
boxes.
The only cardboard record I own is of Red Skelton, offering his
interpretation of the Pledge of Allegiance. I have no idea when it came
out, other than that I've had it since I was a child, and it was a
Burger King promo.
Does anyone recall if this might have been before Columbia Records issued
the Skelton clip on a regular commercial 45? I recall the Columbia 45 being
in their "Hall of Fame" reissue series catalogue for quite a few years, thus
calling into question why anyone would want a lower-fidelity edition as a
hamburger stand promotion.
Which, in turn, reminds me that, in the early '60s, Boston disc jockey Arnie
"Woo Woo" Ginsburg (spelling?) of WMEX had a promo set up with one drive-in
restaurant in which a hamburger would be served on top of a 45rpm record
that he'd autographed the sleeve of. (Arnie, if I recall correctly, was Jan
Berry's singing partner before Jan & Dean took off, and also managed Freddie
"Boom Boom" Cannon.) I would hope the drive-in knew enough to add a piece of
cardboard or some such buffer between the record and the hamburger to
prevent warpage and grease in the grooves.
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:55 -0500
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Vocalist's kid
Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that
was any good at all? I sure can't
Liza Minnelli (foal of Judy Garland)
--Alan
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:21:59 -0500
From: andy ryan <anbryan2000@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Singers' Offspring
Al Girard writes:
Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that
was any good at all? I sure can't.
How about:
Jack Jones (Alan Jones)
Natalie Cole (Nat Cole)
Tony Pastor's son (can't remember his [removed] very
good big band singer.)
Liza Minelli
andy ryan
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:05 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: WJSV
On 12/13/01 9:27 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:
On the recordings of what is often referred to among collectors as the
"Complete Broadcast Day" of WJSV in Washington (1939) the sign on and sign
off announcement mentions that WJSV was owned and operated by the Columbia
Broadcasting System. Was this announcer mistaken?
Numerous station lists and records out there in radioland refer to WJSV and
WTOP as being a CBS owned station for a period of time although indeed a
separate news facility was and is operated by CBS in our nations capital.
WJSV actually began in Brooklyn in 1926 as station WTRC. It was sold to
James S. Vance, publisher of The Fellowship Forum magazine, becoming
WTFF, and was then moved to Mt. Vernon Hills, Virginia, with studios in
Alexandria. At that time the calls were changed to WJSV.
Meanwhile, CBS was becoming unsatisfied with the program clearances
offered by station WMAL, its original affiliate in DC, and tried
unsuccessfully to get authorization to build a relay station in
Washington, which would be synchronized with WABC in New York. This
application was denied, and on 11/24/31, CBS began using WJSV as a
secondary Washington outlet for programs that WMAL refused to clear,
notably "Kaltenborn Edits The News." (Broadcasting, 12/1/31)
As of 1932, the WJSV license was held by Vance's Independent Publishing
Company, publishers of "Fellowship Forum" magazine. In April of 1932, as
the situation between CBS and WMAL continued to deteriorate, it was
announced that CBS and Vance had agreed on a five-year deal for CBS to
lease the radio station, taking over full responsibility for the station
and making it the primary Columbia outlet for the DC market.
(Broadcasting, 5/1/32) On May 6th, the WJSV license was assigned to the
Old Dominion Broadcasting Company, a dummy corporation set up by CBS to
operate the station under the terms of the lease. On May 21st, authority
was granted to move the transmitter to Bailey's Cross Roads, Va, but this
location proved unsatisfactory, and on June 18th, permission was granted
to move to facilities to a location on the Mt. Vernon Memorial Highway
midway between Alexandria and Washington. The station was off the air
while these moves were being completed, and on October 20th, WJSV began
service as a leased-and-operated CBS outlet. CBS didn't *own* the station
at this point, but operated it as though they did.
I haven't yet pinpointed the exact date when CBS bought out Vance
completely and took over full ownership of the station, but all the
indications I've been able to find are that it happened by the middle of
1937, probably at the time of the expiration of the five-year lease. The
WTOP calls were adopted in 1943 -- CBS had to buy them from the
Washington DC Metropolitan Police, which had used them for their official
communications station.
In 1948, the Washington Post bought a controlling interest in the station
-- with the newspaper controlling 55 per cent of the stock and CBS
retaining a 45 per cent interest. The Post officially took control of the
station in February 1949.
While the WJSV calls do stand for "James S. Vance," they had another
meaning when one of the station's most memorable personalities was on the
air. Elder Solomon Lightfoot Micheaux, an former fish peddler turned
evangelist, had been on the station since 1929, and when CBS took over,
his program was given a national audience. One of the signatures of the
program (aside from the rousing gospel-shout theme song "Happy Am I" was
the congregation chanting the station call letters, according to Elder
Micheaux's personal interpretation of them: "Willingly! Jesus! Serves!
Victory!! W! J! S! V!!"
Elizabeth
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:16 -0500
From: "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Vocalists' Offspring
Al Girard inquired as to whether there any offspring of prominent vocalists
who had the talent of the parent. I immediately thought of Jack Jones, the
son of the popular singer of the 30s and 40s, Allan Jones. Although Jack is
not a superstar, he is generally conceded to be a vocalist of immense
talent. Read his bio at [removed].
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:24 -0500
From: "Ed Kindred" <kindred@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Vocalists' offspring
I can think of at least four who if they were not good have at least made
their mark: Natalie Cole,
Jack Jones, Liza Minelli and Bonnie Raitt
Ed Kindred
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:25 -0500
From: Garpboy@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Vocalist offspring
Sure to be flamed for these suggestions:
Natalie Cole and Nat King Cole
Liza Minelli and Dorothy
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:31 -0500
From: vigor16@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Cardboard record questions
Hety folks:
Does anybody know anything about two times in my life where I ran across
cardboard recordings.
1. The first time was when I was in school at the time they changed
themailing to include zip code or something. I thought I got a cardboard
record with the song "Zip Code" by the 5 Americans, from the mid-60s on
it. Since then, I bought a vynal copy of "Zip Code" which leads me to
ask, was that the song on the cardboard record? Would Weekly Reader
know? I thought it came out of the magazine. It may have been
something about long distance and sang about telephone numbers. I
forget. If anyone knows, it would be appreciated.
2. The second time was in the late 60s. I grew up in the inner-city of
Rochester, NY. My brothers and I went to the store with our allowance
one Saturday and found records on cardboard for about 15 cents producing
songs of Motown records, if I recall. The records featured a photo of
the group and the grooves were made in some plastic over the picture. I
recall the Temptations, 4 Tops, Supremes, and others in this format. Was
this a promo to get cheaper records to kids who may have found it hard to
afford them? I always wanted to know what prompted this promo and what
happened. It lasted for about 6 mo. if I recall around late 1968. I
think it was primarily Motown. I don't recall any other label being
represented. They were sold in a paper envelop and had a small hole,
like a 33 album but the record was the size of a 45. As I said, the
grooves were made over the photo of the group on a laminated side and
they were only one sided, I think.
Thank you Deric
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:37 -0500
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Offspring
In a message dated 12/13/01 9:23:10 AM, Al Girard writes:
As I was listening to an Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy show, where
the vocal offering was done by Gary Crosby. (SNIP)
Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that was any good at all?
I sure can't.
***Well, she certainly wasn't a vocalist, but Edgar's own daughter Candice
Bergen has had an impressive careers as a photojournalist (LIFE MAGAZINE) and
as an actress in both dramas (CARNAL KNOWLEDGE, GANDHI and an
Oscar-nomination for STARTING OVER) and comedies. --Anthony Tollin***
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:47 -0500
From: neil crowley <og@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Junior Tonsils
From: Al Girard <agirard@[removed];
Can anyone think of a vocalist's offspring that
was any good at all? I sure can't.
Let's hope Natalie Cole's clipping service doesn't subscribe to the OTR Digest.
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:53 -0500
From: Osborneam@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fred Caposella
In OTR Digest #396, Peter Kinder <pdkinder@[removed]; wrote
I have a nagging feeling that his first name was "Frank".
Aw, I can't believe that. The "Voice of the Big A?" I listened to his
wonderful race calls each Saturday when races from Aqueduct were
televised. And my memory rarely fails me (just ask my husband!) --
Fred's name WAS Fred.
Now, let's get back to OTR, or Charlie will admonish us.
Arlene Osborne
[ADMINISTRIVIA: [removed] --cfs3]
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Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:22:52 -0500
From: Harlan Zinck <buster@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: Vocalists' Offspring
Al Girard <agirard@[removed]; comments:
As I was listening to an Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy show, where the
vocal offering was done by Gary Crosby, I couldn't help but notice that Gary
sure didn't have the talent that his dad Bing did. Another singer's offspring
that comes to mind is Nancy Sinatra. We all know how talented her famous