Subject: [removed] Digest V01 #117
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Date: 4/15/2001 9:10 PM
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                      The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                         Volume 01 : Issue 117
                   A Part of the [removed]!
                           ISSN: 1533-9289


                           Today's Topics:

 BOB & RAY: A SOURCE                  ["Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
 A real "listener"                    ["Jimidene Murphey" <jimimark@[removed]]
 Collections and Collectors           ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 Typos and More                       ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 Bob & Ray Memories                   ["Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed]]
 Re: Cincinnati                       [Fred Berney <berney@[removed];      ]
 Re: Ken Kay's remarks                [Fred Berney <berney@[removed];      ]
 Re: cin city's weather forcast       ["Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@charter-]
 Problems with Radio Spirits tapes    ["Bob Watson" <crw912@[removed]; ]
 Radio Days at Kaufman Astoria Studio [Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed]; ]
 Re: Bob & Ray Book                   [Udmacon@[removed]                    ]

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 00:25:06 -0400
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  BOB & RAY: A SOURCE

     In the last issue, Sheryl Smith asked for any help in locating more Bob
& Ray Shows;  Sheryl, if U contact Bob Elliott's son Chris, through the
Screen Actor's Guild, or AFTRA web sites, and leave a message as to what
your project is about, I am sure he will contact you through the same
source.  These people are not that hard to contact if you use the right
search engine.

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     I also agree with the post about the NPR shows being the closest (so
far) to OTR Programming.  I have also been informed that there are a number
or "Pirate" stations on the Ham radio band b/casting OTR programs from their
own private collections. I don't know weather this falls under the FCC
jurisdiction or not, or the guys have just been lucky so far with their
"project".

Owens Pomeroy

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:47:40 -0400
From: "Jimidene Murphey" <jimimark@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  A real "listener"

On Sat, 14 Apr 2001 09:53:54, "Ken Kay" wrote:
"I collect because I love to listen to the old shows.  Of course, I enjoy a
show when the sound is crystal clear but not to the point where I don't
enjoy a show that isn't. I collected for years on cassette tape and was
frequently disappointed with shows that were hard to hear because of the
bass/treble being too bassy and the sound being muffled or the sound being
too faint.  I now collect on CD and have yet to listen to a show that was
not easy on the ears.  Are there any other "listeners" out there?"

I am one of those listeners.  In fact, for several years I listened to the
"Golden Age of Radio" on the radio (when I could get it) and it reminded me
of my old 1965 transistor radio I cherished as a sixth grader.  In some
ways, lack of static equates lack of "realness" for me.  I do like a clear,
crisp sound, but if an oldie has static, that's just part of the thrill for
me!

Jimidene Murphey
jimimark@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:47:37 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Collections and Collectors

Ken Kay notes,

I am not a purest.  I do not collect OTR to try to get the best
possible sound quality.  I don't really care how an MP3 file is recorded.
 I don't care if it's at 128 kps, 320 kps or whatever kps.  I collect
because I love to listen to the old shows. <<

A lot of us are like Ken.  I would love the widest ranged audio on my OTR
shows, clean, with no noise, etc.; but I'll accept what I can get.  As
I've mentioned previously, when I was growing up, I heard OTR shows on
consoles, on table radios, and over metal-diaphragm earphones.  The audio
quality varied, but even on the lowest-fidelity equipment I was using, I
appreciated the shows.

This isn't to knock the quest for the cleanest possible copies, but to
point out that a poor-quality show is better than none at all.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:47:35 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Typos and More

David Phaneuf noted,

Now I just want to say HAT'S OFF to both Steve and Gloria.  Both of you
came up with two totally original misspellings of my last name, and I
love you both for it.  <<

"Love the sinner; hate the sin." :-)

I must admit that was one of my more interesting typos.

a popular term these days with POP MUSIC is "boy groups" and "girl
groups" -- referring to such popular groups as the Back Street Boys,
'NSync, TLC etc. <snip> Well, my favorite all time "girl group" is/was
the Andrews [removed];<

This opens up another area.  Bing Crosby had a "boy group" called The
King's Men.  I never heard them anywhere else than the Bing Crosby show.
Where there other groups that only appeared on a single OTR show?

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:47:33 -0400
From: "Art Shifrin" <goldens2@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bob & Ray Memories

This story dates back to about 1982, when I was doing everything possible to
assist Pete Hammar (the Curator) with matters pertaining to the Ampex Museum
of Magnetic Recording.  Because I was "Mr. Audio" for the Ampex AVSD
Northeast Region, Pete asked me to supervise the trading of equipment that
he'd arranged with Bob & Ray.  They had  two Ampex model 200's (the first
Ampex tape [removed]'re very rare, less than 140 were made).  It was
agreed to provide them with a new AG440, whose delivery and site check out I
supervised in their office in the Graybar Building on Lexington Avenue in
Manhattan.  I personally dismantled and prepared for shipment the two
machines & therefore  spent almost an entire afternoon with them.  I vividly
remember a wall of 10" tapes, mostly of the grey 3M 111 boxes.  I'm guessing
that the shelves occupied about 140 square feet on one wall and they were
FILLED with those tapes.  Were those tapes properly  archived?  They gave me
some mementoes, at least two of which I saw recently while looking for
something else in my files.  One's a yellow poster with caricatures of their
various personae, and another's a bumper sticker.  The two machines are
still part of the Ampex collection, now warehoused at the plant (yes,
they're still in business, with less than 300 employees---pathetic) in
Colorado Springs.  Hopefully there'll be an announcement soon about the
transfer of all of those precious artifacts to a well known university.

Best,
Shiffy
website: [removed]

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:47:31 -0400
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Cincinnati

Hey Bob,

Do we need to wear bullet proof vest?

Just kidding. Honest.

Fred
For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]
New e-commerce page [removed]

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:47:30 -0400
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Ken Kay's remarks

Collecting and listening is what it is all about. You mentioned that you
use to get bad recording on cassette. Now you get good ones on CD. One of
the reason's you may have gotten some poor sounding cassettes is that
somewhere along the line someone had a technical problem. Or you just got a
generation too far way from the original.

My reason for making all this fuss about quality is so sometime in the near
future, you don't find CDs with poor sound. This is over simplified and I'm
doing it on purpose so as not to take up a lot of bandwidth on this
newsletter.

As far as the question you put forth about collecting. I just love radio
drama and comedy. I grew up with it. I would sometimes miss out on family
functions, so I could listen to a favorite program. When I discovered other
collectors and realized I wasn't the only one who was taping these
programs, I was in heaven.

If I enjoy the program, I'll over look the sound. This is my personal
listing. But, if I can get better sound, then I prefer that. I've got a lot
of children's records. I found some of the once that were broken on ebay
and now have almost all of my broken sets intact. Sure some have scratches,
but I can listen beyond those scratches. However, I am working on restoring
some of these for better listening. I've got three grandchildren. Two that
are ages 6 and 7. I'm trying my best to introduce them to the joy of listening.

After all, I've got to find a place for all these tapes someday. My kids
could care less, but hopefully our grandchildren will cherish them the way
I have.

Fred
For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]
New e-commerce page [removed]

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 12:47:28 -0400
From: "Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: cin city's weather forcast

	hi anybody,
just saw bob burchett's weather forcast for cin city's next week and as the
old joke was bob telling us that the coast is clear?
				see you at his convention next week, harold

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 15:32:43 -0400
From: "Bob Watson" <crw912@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Problems with Radio Spirits tapes

Art mentioned having problems with the tapes he was given for Christmas that
were produced by RadioSpirits.
I had bought the 20 tape Superman set from them last year and after six
months of on and off listening, found a defective tape in the bunch.  I,
too, emailed for assistance and heard nothing from the company.  However,
when I called the customer service number a few weeks later, they promptly
attempted to replace it.  Unfortunately, while the outer casing indicated
the correct episodes, the actual tape was of episodes that were earlier in
the series that I had already listened too.  Another call to the company and
that tape was also promptly replaced.  This time it was the correct tape all
the way.  I guess if you have a problem with their tapes, don't bother with
email, just call.

Bob

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 19:50:13 -0400
From: Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Radio Days at Kaufman Astoria Studios

The other night I watched (for about the umpteenth time) Woody
Allen's tribute to the Radio era, "Radio Days"... There were some OTR
personalities in that film in Cameos: Dwight Weist, Jackson Beck (voice
on radio), Kitty Callahan.   I do not know where it was filmed (I heard
it was done in NY at the Zerotope Studios for the Radio sequences.

“Zerotope Studios”? Zerotrope is the name of a work by sculptor Jen
Northrup. Maybe you mean American Zoetrope. That’s Francis Ford
Coppola’s studio, located in San Francisco:
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Actually, Woody Allen’s RADIO DAYS (1987) was filmed at the historic
Kaufman Astoria Studios (Queens, NY) [ [removed] ],
opened by Adolph Zukor and Jesse Lasky in 1920. Neil Simon’s BRIGHTON
BEACH MEMOIRS (1986) also takes place in Brooklyn around the same time
period (actually a few years earlier, in 1937) as RADIO DAYS. This
timeline shows that RADIO DAYS and BRIGHTON BEACH MEMOIRS were both
filmed at the Kaufman Astoria Studios in 1985:
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Bhob @ SHOWBIZ @ [removed]

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Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:15:56 -0400
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Bob & Ray Book

Elizabeth (Mrs. Ray) Goulding is still alive; she spends part of her year in
her summer home next to the Kennedy compound in Hyannisport, Cape Cod;
winters in Florida. I've met Mrs. Goulding and visited the family in their
wild castle-like mansion in Plandome, Long Island, and was a close friend of
her late sister Barbara Miles of Fairborn, Ohio.

The Gouldings had several children too; all now in various professions.

I have a feeling that Liz Goulding would be more than happy to cooperate in
any book tribute to Bob & Ray.

Bill Knowlton, "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE," WCNY-FM: Syracuse, Utica, Watertown NY
(since Jan. 1973). Sundays, 9 pm est: [removed]

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