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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2007 : Issue 221
A Part of the [removed]!
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Radio shows to TV-Longevity [ "Tim Lones" <tlones1@[removed]; ]
Benny bloopers [ "Laura Leff" <president@[removed] ]
Re: Howard Culver [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
Chesterfield sponsoring Gunsmoke [ ROB CHATLIN <rchatlin@[removed]; ]
didn't make it [ mchone@[removed] ]
Johnny Desond [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
Re: radio shows on TV [ FabFicBks@[removed] ]
When Radio Was on the net gone bad? [ Jack <jfrance@[removed]; ]
baking/john desmond [ EDWARD CARR <edcarr@[removed]; ]
radio shows outlasting TV counterpar [ dixonhayes@[removed] ]
7-31 births/deaths [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
Robert A. Heinlein [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:50:00 -0400
From: "Tim Lones" <tlones1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Radio shows to TV-Longevity
Burns and Allen had a good 8 year run on TV and might have gone a couple
more years, but Gracie wanted to retire. (George went it alone in 1958-59
on NBC but it didnt work without Gracie)
Jack Benny was on TV for 15 years. It can be said that some parts of the
radio series didnt work as well on TV but 15 years is a good [removed] he was
on every week at least after [removed]
Tim Lones
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:03:30 -0400
From: "Laura Leff" <president@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Benny bloopers
Travis writes:
I don't know if this has been covered here or not, but someone on the
Antique Radio Forum brought up an interesting point. He found the scripts
and it appears that Mary's famous Chiss Sweese "flub" and the Drew Pearson
flub were scripted.
Some were, those weren'[removed] The Tobacco Documents are shown "as aired",
which include modifications for the actual bloopers.
--Laura Leff
President, IJBFC
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:03:43 -0400
From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Howard Culver
I have been listening to the Adventures of Chandu, The Magician, and at the
end of the programs the announcer says his name is Howard Culver. Is this the
same Howard Culver who played Straight Arrow?
Charlie
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:03:58 -0400
From: ROB CHATLIN <rchatlin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Chesterfield sponsoring Gunsmoke
When William Conrad did the Chesterfield plugs,
he mentions 2 way cigarettes. Google searches come up
empty on that phrase.
Are these different from all other smokes, or is it
just a marketing phrase?
It's a weird thing to be curious about, I know,
but thanks to anyone who can shed some light on this.
rob
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 14:31:35 -0400
From: mchone@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: didn't make it
On the subject of radio shows that didn't make it on television; don't know if
anyone has mentioned 'The Great Gildersleeve'. I have a couple of the TV
Gildersleeves on tape and can readily see why it didn't have a very long run
there.
The whole Gildersleeve gang was better in the imagination.
Roby McHone
Fairbanks, Alaska
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:01:07 -0400
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Johnny Desond
HELP for Ed Carr
"a diane desmond contacted me, she is related to johnny
and needs info on shows tv/radio if avalible, this came about because i am
selling my don mcneil discs and he
was on the show but what yrs? any help"
In 1942 Glenn Miller gave up his Orchestra and joined the Army Air Force, and
put together a great orchestra called "The Band of Training Command of the
Army Air Force" in 1943 his vocalist was Pvt. Johnny Desmond, who in about
1945 was promoted to Sgt.
The Orchestra had a half hour program "I Sustain the Wing" and 15 minute
program "Uncle Sam Presents" these programs available. I looked up the Glenn
Miller logs of the Old Time Radio Researchers, it shows 43 shows. The
programs continued after Glenn Miller disappearance with Jerry Gray as the
leader.
Hope this help
Frank McGurn
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 17:02:23 -0400
From: FabFicBks@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: radio shows on TV
I think Frank McGuin has let his memory and love for OTRadio color his
memories and images of radio shows which crossed over to television. Some
shows
did not go well on TV because of production costs, but primarily programs
such
as Lights Out and Suspense did not succeed because the networks wanted to
run those programs as live staged productions. Live programing on television
had problems from the very beginning. Drama, action and detective type
programs suffered considerably from the life-theater format. Programs which
used
film fared much better, with one of the earliest and most successful being
Dragnet.
Life of Riley was not a short lived failure on TV, it did very well,
running 212 half hour episodes and lasted thru 1958. Boston Blackie was not
a
short lived failure on TV, it was syndicated, same as the radio show was, and
ran three full seasons as a ZIV syndicated series, 58 episodes, 32 of them in
color. Those shows were in perpetual reruns up until the last decade or so.
The lack of additional episodes may have been due to problems with Taylor,
who battled alcoholism his entire life.
Jack Benny disliked and distrusted television. In the early years his
show appeared on an somewhat infrequent basis, which allowed his writers to
craft stories which used the picture medium to its fullest. It was the
network
which wanted him on every single week, a pace that ground him and his
creative staff down and in the final years it aired, produced shows that
weren't
particularly funny and tarnished both his image and his legacy. But for most
of the 1950s the Jack Benny TV show was very successful and right up in the
top rating numbers every wekk.
On the other hand some stars thrived in the new medium. Many radio
people like Joan Davis and Bob Hope had absolutely no problems making the TV
screen work well for them. Grocho Marx's You Bet Your Life show worked
equally
well as radio or television, and from 1950 his show, the same program, on was
broadcast on both radio and TV.
I enjoy radio, and I listen to radio both old and new avidly, but with
the right treatment many radio stars and shows made it to TV successfully,
and
like it or not, good TV is often better than good radio because it has the
added plus of full visuals as well as sound.
---Bob Jennings
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:33:31 -0400
From: Jack <jfrance@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: When Radio Was on the net gone bad?
Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone else follows the daily offerings of When Radio
Was on the net at [removed] and, if so, whether you are also
having difficulty. For the better part of a week the daily links, after
playing the 32 second introductory advertisement follow with a pop-up window
announcing "Requested file not found. The link you followed nay be outdated
or inaccurate" and no Chuck Schaden.
Cheers,
Jack France
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:36:43 -0400
From: EDWARD CARR <edcarr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: baking/john desmond
hi and good evening
thanks for the tips, i am trying to make up my mind which
way to go, i don't think i'll use the one where you put wood in your oven,
it's going to take me awhile to
see which way to go.
and to the fellow who gave directions to the johnny desmond material, i
forwarded it on
edcarr@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:55:14 -0400
From: dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: radio shows outlasting TV counterparts
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Bob Watson inquired about radio shows outliving their TV counterparts. of course there were a
few where the TV version failed quickly, or just didn't have the on-camera longevity of the radio
versions.
Some examples that come to mind: "Breakfast Club," "Fibber McGee and Molly" and "The Great
Gildersleeve" (as TV flops) and "The Goldbergs" (as a show that simply didn't last as long as
it did on radio). A few more:
"The Jack Benny Show" (radio: 22 years first run, TV: some 15 or so years
first run, counting the first couple of mostly-special seasons)
"The Lone Ranger" (radio, 1933-54 first run; TV, 1949-57 first run)
"The Green Hornet" (radio, don't know how many years but as early as 1940 and as late as 1952;
TV, one season in the 1960s)
"Queen for a Day" (radio, 1945-56 at least; TV, 1956-64)
Arthur Godfrey's morning show (radio, 1945-72; TV, 1947-59 or so)
I'm guessing the radio version of "The Life of Riley" outlasted the TV versions?
Dixon
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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 22:19:49 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 7-31 births/deaths
July 31st births
07-31-1854 - Charles Goodell - Dudley, MA - d. 4-27-1937
clergyman: (The Shepard of the Air) "Sabbath Reveries"
07-31-1892 - Herbert W. Armstrong - Des Moines, IA - d. 1-16-1986
preacher: "Plain Truth"; "The World Tomorrow"
07-31-1894 - John Mayo - Providence, RI - d. 4-xx-1974
announcer: Staff announcer for both CBS and NBC
07-31-1894 - Roy Bargy - Newaygo, MI - d. 1-15-1974
conductor: "Jimmy Durante Show"; "Kraft Music Hall"; "Rexall Summer
Theatre"
07-31-1900 - Elmo Roper - Hebron, NE - d. 4-30-1971
pioneering polster: "America's Town Meeting of the Air"; "Word from
the People"
07-31-1902 - Robert E. Griffin - Hutchinson, KS - d. 12-19-1960
actor: Wilbur Ramage "Story of Holly Sloan"; Michael West "Bright
Horizon"
07-31-1904 - Billy Hillpot - Red Bank, NJ - d. 2-25-1985
singer: Trade "Smith Brothers: Trade and Mark"; "Camel Pleasure Hour"
07-31-1904 - Brett Halliday - Chicago, IL - d. 2-4-1977
creator of Michael Shayne; host on "Murder by Experts"
07-31-1908 - [removed] "Bill" Shadel - Milton, WI - d. 1-29-2005
newscaster: Reported the D-Day landings for CBS
07-31-1909 - Roger Krupp - Minnesota - d. 5-25-1987
announcer, newscaster: "Advs. of Ellery Queen"; "Famous Jury Trials"
07-31-1911 - George Liberace - Menasha, WI - d. 10-16-1983
sideman: Orrin Tucker Band, Anson Weeks Band
07-31-1912 - Chester Stratton - Paterson, NJ - d. 7-7-1970
actor: Carter Trent "Pepper Young's Family"; Hop Harrigan "Hop Harrigan"
07-31-1912 - Irv Kupcinet - Chicago, IL - d. 11-11-2003
sportscaster: WGN Chicago "Chicago Bears"
07-31-1912 - Milton Friedman - Brooklyn, NY - d. 11-16-2006
economist: Radio Australia
07-31-1913 - Brook Byron - d. 5-29-2006
actor: "Top Secret"; "Suspense"
07-31-1916 - Bill Todman - NYC - d. 7-29-1979
producer, director, writer: "Treasury Salute"; "Winner Take All";
"What's My Line"
07-31-1919 - Curt Gowdy - Green River, WY - d. 2-20-2006
sportscaster: play-by-play Boston Red Sox
07-31-1921 - Barbara Fuller - Nahant, MA
actor: Claudia Barbour "One Man's Family"; Peggy Fairchild "Step Mother"
07-31-1922 - Hank Bauer - East St. Louis, IL - d. 2-9-2007
baseball great: "Tops in Sports"
July 31st deaths
02-25-1904 - Warren Parker - Alton, IL - d. 7-31-1976
actor: Jesus Christ "The Greatest Story Ever Told"
03-08-1893 - Victor Arden - Wenona, IL - d. 7-31-1962
pianist and orchestra director with various radio appearances
03-22-1917 - Virginia Grey - Los Angeles, CA - d. 7-31-2004
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
04-30-1909 - Bud Linn - Indianapolis, IN - d. 7-31-1968
singer: (The King's Men) "Kraft Music Hall"; "Fibber McGee and Molly"
06-18-1898 - Carleton Hobbs - Farnborough, England - d. 7-31-1978
actor: Sherlock Holmes "Saturday Night Theatre, Children's Hour"
07-06-1904 - Marie Baumer - d. 7-31-1977
writer: "Mr. Chameleon"
08-18-1907 - Enoch Light - Canton, OH - d. 7-31-1978
bandleader: "BMI Pin Up Platter"
08-20-1923 - Jim Reeves - nr. Galloway, Panola County, TX - d. 7-31-1964
country singer: "Jim Reeves Show"; "Grand Old Opry"; "Country Style
[removed]"
09-08-1889 - Robert A. Taft - Cincinnati, OH - d. 7-31-1953
us senator: "American Forum of the Air"; "The People's Platform"
11-24-1912 - Teddy Wilson - Austin, TX - d. 7-31-1986
jazz pianist: "Benny Goodman and His Orchestra"; "Saturday Night
Swing Club"
xx-xx-1896 - Yasha Bunchuck - Russia - d. 7-31-1944
cellist: "Roxy and His Gang"
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 09:54:39 -0400
From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Robert A. Heinlein
Here's a terrific look at Robert A. Heinlein, one of my favorite
writers, and certainly one of the most influential, on my youth.
(Interesting caveat, about Heinlein. He was a TERRIFIC writer, but not
everything he authored, was great. Heinlein's output was so relatively
vast that--by the strange law of averages--a person checking his work
out for the first time, COULD encounter one of his semi-clunkers. For
me, personally--and I know this may be heresy (!)--I never cottoned to
THE MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS, cited here, as usual, as "a [removed]")
Heinlein, as you know, had more than a few works adapted, to radio.
It's the centennial of Heinlein's [removed]
Jim Burns
Robert A. Heinlein's Legacy - [removed]
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