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Date: 11/12/2002 2:44 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 436
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Did operators talk like this in the   [ "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@run ]
  New List Subscriber From The UK!      [ JBurt31802@[removed] ]
  ambrose bierce                        [ "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed]; ]
  Bill Conrad on The Whisperer          [ otrbuff@[removed] ]
  Some ABC Radio (and ABN) Historical   [ Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed]; ]
  1934 and 1935 Lights Out episode gui  [ steve oxford <steveoxford_99@yahoo. ]
  The Cinnamon Bear                     [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
  OT: Jerry Lewis movies                [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
  AMBROSE BIERCE                        [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
  Music libraries                       [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
  Re: Conrad on The Whisperer           [ Thomas Butts <trbutts@[removed] ]
  Pathways to Peace                     [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
  new Vic & Sade episodes?              [ louie johnson <louiejohnson2002@yah ]
  Frank Parker, Bob Hope, WOTW          [ leemunsick@[removed] ]

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:25:10 -0500
From: "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Did operators talk like this in the old days?

Hello, I was listening to an episode of The Whisperer, and the operator
said:
the number is nyun nyun fuyivuh thuhree
Did they always exaggerate their syllables to that extent?
Thanks a lot.
Matthew

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:25:16 -0500
From: JBurt31802@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  New List Subscriber From The UK!
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Hi all,
Just a quick note to introduce myself to your list.
I live in the UK and would love to hear from fellow UK collectors - also
anybody in the UK who produces lists of available shows would be most
greatfully recieved! :-)
My main areas of interest are Dectective shows (primarily, Sherlock Holmes)
and most Science Fiction.
Cheers,
Jules.

Jules Burt.
Plymouth,
United Kingdom.

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 18:25:47 -0500
From: "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  ambrose bierce

Actually, the late Alexander Woollcott, radio raconteur and amateur
criminologist, offered a solution to the mystery of Ambrose Bierce's
disappearance.  Noting that Canadian theatre impresario Ambrose Small
vanished from the streets of Toronto around the same time, Woollcott noted
that it was obvious that somebody was collecting Ambroses.

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:43:59 -0500
From: otrbuff@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bill Conrad on The Whisperer

Matthew Bullis asks:

Does anyone know why William Conrad was not
credited on the Whisperer when he appeared in an episode?

I don't know, Matthew.  He certainly is included in "Radio Crime
Fighters," the new book from McFarland.

Jim Cox

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:48:15 -0500
From: Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Some ABC Radio (and ABN) Historical Trivia

Larry Jordan (midtod@[removed]) wrote:

... the programs from 1957 have station IDs that say "The American
Broadcasting NETWORK" and "ABN." Yet in the histories I've read of ABC,
they make no mention of it being called that. On one of the shows there
is a reference to Merv Griffin also being on the network, but this is
all confusing. Was ABN the same as ABC? When did they change the name?

Yes, for about a year or two, in the 1957/58 timeframe, ABC branded their
radio network as ABN, the American Broadcasting Network. It was probably
"so insignificant" that most histories of ABC or ABC Radio overlook this.

I'd read about this temporary name change in BROADCASTING magazine from
that timeframe, and it was explained that ABC wanted a "unique identity"
for the radio side, separate from the ABC Television Network, for whatever
that's worth! :-)

Yesterday, Jeff Miller (JeffM@[removed]) posted here that he resurrected
his webpage of network radio newscasts/jingles/sounders/audio clips/etc.
(mostly from the later 1950's thru 1980's),
now at [removed]

His clips of ABC Radio are the very first batch on this page. One of the
clips is listed as:

- Network ID, "American Broadcasting Network" [removed]

It has the seven-note jingle that ABC Radio used in the 1960s (prior to
1-1-68 when ABC Radio split itself up four ways: American Information,
American Entertainment, American Contemporary, American FM), for the
hourly "News at :55, the latest news, five minutes sooner". But in the
ABN jingle, it is played on a xylophone rather than on a horn or
synthesizer.

As for logos and identities, ABC Television used a large lower-case letter
'a' with the lower case letters 'abc' printed inside. This logo was
modified to a 'modern' font for the lower-case letters of /abc/, and
inside of a plain circle, circa 1962/63. Even at that time, the current
ABC logo (from 1962/63) was used ONLY by ABC-TV, only adopted by ABC Radio
as its "overall" logo during the 1970's.

In the late 1950s and early 1960s, ABC Radio / ABN used a stylized
capital-A logo, which looked something like the shirt-emblem on the 1960's
Star Trek Enterprise crew! This would appear on letterheads, print ads,
etc. By the early 1960s, ABC Radio used a circle logo with three "swirls".

When ABC Radio went into its "four-way split" in 1968, each format package
had its OWN logo and color (Information was a blue five-pointed star,
Entertainment was a green seven-pointed star or sunburst, Contemporary was
like a circular red/white peppermint candy, FM was orange circle with a
white 'horn' inside. I don't know if the current Disney/CapCities/ABC
still uses these logos for the formats of ABC Radio. But the "overall" ABC
Radio logo, regardless of format package, is the same circle logo with
modern-font 'abc' lower-case inside, that has been used by ABC-TV since
1962/63.

Jeff Roteman's Tribute to ABC Radio / ABC News website has various
pictures of the various ABC Radio (and TV) logos over the [removed]

The "Star Trek" Cap-Letter-A (as I call it) used by ABC Radio / ABN in the
late 1950's/60's can be seen at: [removed]~[removed]
which is the page for Don McNeill's Breakfast Club, in the Broadcasting
Magazine ad from 23-June-1958, for the 25th Anniversary of "Breakfast
Club" (which in 1933 *DID* begin on the *BLUE* Network of NBC).

A large jpg of this ad photo is [removed]~[removed]

and scroll to the bottom. By June 1958, it seemed to be back to ABC Radio
instead of ABN. But the "Star Trek Cap-A" logo was still being used by the
ABC Radio Network.

At Jeff Roteman's main ABC Radio/News tribute page,
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you can see a "wallpaper" of most logos used over the years by ABC Radio
(and TV), and ABC News.

At the pages dedicated to ABC Radio's short-form features, which during
the 1960s were branded "Flair Reports",
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you can see the (pre-1968) 1960s era "swirl" logo of ABC Radio.
On this first page for "Flair", there is a realaudio clip of Charles
Osgood (when he was with ABC News) giving an obit on the death of Gracie
Allen. [removed]~[removed]

[removed]~[removed] gives a better image of the "swirl"
logo of ABC Radio thru 1967. IMO, it almost looks like the CBS "eye"!

There are some more interesting clips at the tribute website to the
"musicradio" years of WABC-770 New York:

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The above are for the realaudio montage of WABC-AM / WABC-FM / ABC Radio
announcers and such, during the pre-1968 period of the 1960s.

The following .wav files are early jingles of ABC Radio / ABN and
WABC-770:

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[removed]
sings the call letters W-A-B-C ... the note for 'W' and for 'A' are
identical. But the 'A-B-C' melody sequence is the SAME as "G/E/C", the
*NBC* chimes! (I wonder if RCA/NBC would have pulled trademark violation?
since ABC was no longer the Blue Network of NBC by then!)

Mark J. Cuccia
mcuccia@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:49:04 -0500
From: steve oxford <steveoxford_99@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  1934 and 1935 Lights Out episode guide

I have recently come upon a rare find.  Old yellowish,
crumbling on the edges, sheets of paper that once
belonged to a radio station in Chicago, Ill, one for
each weekly broadcast of Lights Out, which the station
apparently was keeping for legal reasons, or newspaper
notices, or according to my source, a short script for
a local announcer to advertise listeners to tune into
tonight's program.

Either way, each are dated almost consecutively,
missing just a couple episodes, apparently, and
contain station heading, call letters, airtimes and
date. Each sheet contains the title, author of drama
first name has just an initial but last name is full,
ex. W. Cooper, and a two sentence story for each
broadcast is also given.

I am aware of how valuable this is, and I am willing
to make a copy of these sheets for anyone willing to
trade. I have no interest in making money off this
find, only a trade. I understand that there is an
episode guide to a spin-off horror show based on my
favorite of all radio horrors. First person who can
supply me a copy of that log can have a copy of my
sheets. Due to the condition of the sheets, I will
only make a copy once, no more.

Serious inquiries please.
Steven

Post Script. Love the Digest, been reading and
occassionally posting for years now. Keep up the good work!

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 20:49:46 -0500
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The Cinnamon Bear

Dear Reader:

Time once again to be preparing your family for the ultimate OTR
experience.  The leaves are changing color and the days are getting colder.
 Judy and Jimmy Barton are about to begin the greatest adventure of their
young lifetimes---a magical excursion to Maybeland and a search for the
silver star that belongs on top of their Christmas tree.

Recorded in 1937,  the adventures of Paddy O'Cinnamon, Judy and Jimmy
Barton, and the Crazyquilt Dragon,   is  the best and most  famous family
Christmas story ever heard on radio. Virtually every voice in the
twenty-six, 15 minute episodes, will be recognizable to OTR lovers.  The
music, the twists and turns, the humor, the genial, larger-than-life
characters, bring Maybeland alive and will keep you spellbound for a whole
month.  Play an episode a day beginning Friday, November 29 (the day after
Thanksgiving), and you end with the story's climax on Christmas Eve.  The
show is readily available from booksellers, collectors, and  friends of
this Digest.  You have time to get it ready for Christmas.  Believe me, The
Cinnamon Bear is family fun beyond anything you have yet experienced.

I plan to join you once again in listening to this timeless fantasy.  I
know those of you who have never heard it will begin a new tradition.  So
many folks across the country play the show every year.

As Paddy O'Cinnamon would say, "I am much obliged to you!"

Dennis Crow

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Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 22:00:28 -0500
From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OT:  Jerry Lewis movies

Can anyone help me find the following Dean Martin/Jerry Lewis movies?  My
parents were asking tonight if I had any.  I don't, but would like these:

Sailor Beware
Living It Up
You're Never Too Young

I know there are some big Martin/Lewis fans on here, so I thought this
would be a swell place to start my search, as I don't think these have
been released to video.  I can trade or offer cash for these films.

rodney.

Past Tense Productions
Carrying Old Radio related films, and Hal Roach shorts, for $7 per tape.

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 00:39:39 -0500
From: PURKASZ@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  AMBROSE BIERCE

    Perhaps all this talk about "The Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" will do
much towards aiming a few curious folk, 'readers' towards the superb and
little known Civil War literature written by Ambrose Bierce.
    I carried books of his around all through my travels in my youth and
still have them to this day.
    I was genuinely terrified by one called "The Boarded Window" and would
advise against it being read at night when alone in a cabin in the woods.
    I am serious about that.
    His fate seems befitting to a man referred to as "Bitter Bierce."
    After some years as a newspaper columnist for the San Francisco Examiner
I believe, during which he published a daily word entry into what would
become his masterpiece, "The Devil's Dictionary" his marriage fell apart and
a son committed suicide.
    There are verified accounts by newspaper men in the early 20th century of
seeing the 'old man' riding with Pancho Villa!
    They even made a movie about him. I think it was called, "The Old Man."
    Gregory Peck, a fine actor, was definitely wrong for this part.
    Nevertheless, the man's literary mark has been noted and more and more
people are discovering him every year.
    I made it a point to look at one new word a day from his 'dictionary.'
    The dark heart of his humor did much to alleviate my soul during the
turbulent 60s.
    He's around. Take a look. Any library or good bookstore.
    And beware of some of them after sundown.
                     <A HREF="[removed],+Michael+C.">
Michael C. Gwynne</A>

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 01:09:49 -0500
From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Music libraries

Hello.  I have a question and a slight correction.  In a recent discussion
of newspaper shows, I noticed that people kept refering to a show called
"The Front Page."  I think they meant "Front Page Drama" which ran from
1933-54.  Was there another, similarly titled show simply called "Front
Page?"  I have about 444 programs from the "Front Page Drama" series and
all from 1934 on clearly identify the title as "Front Page Dramas" and
later changed to "Front Page Drama."  I have them on audio CD but I am
still in the process of trying to get better sound out of them.

In listening to several of the above programs, I noticed that they were
produced in the studios of "the General Broadcasting Company."  I think I
remember that this company did many syndicated shows, and all my references
list it as such.  I am also assuming that they had no budget for a musical
orchestra but it sounded as thoough they were using one.  This was
obviously a music library.  When were the first such musical libraries
released?  Since they are 1933 programs, I would assume it was before then,
right?  Is there any way I can either buy such a library on cassette or CD
or download it in mp3?  I dislike mp3 but am interested in hearing a full
libaray just to see the variety offered.

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 02:18:16 -0500
From: Thomas Butts <trbutts@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Conrad on The Whisperer

 why William Conrad was not credited on the Whisperer
when he appeared in an episode?

I have wondered the same thing.  He was billed as Julius Kraubein, or something
like that. Perhaps he was under contract to CBS and, I think,  this show was
produced by NBC.

Tom Butts
Dallas, TX

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 09:48:32 -0500
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Pathways to Peace

If you enjoyed The Interview With God I sent you a few weeks ago, I know
you will love Pathways To Peace:

[removed]

Sandy

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 15:27:16 -0500
From: louie johnson <louiejohnson2002@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  new Vic & Sade episodes?
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Here's a question for the Vic & Sade fans. Has there been a discovery of new
episodes? In searching the web for any and all information about V & S I've
come across more than one dealer (selling mp3's on CD) who list a whole bunch
of episodes that I haven't seen in any V & S lists before. At first I thought
they were probably mislabeled episodes, but they're mostly dated from 1939
and 1940 a period which (so far has) yielded very few episodes. I typed up a
list of all the episodes that are unfamiliar to me, and it's 2 and a half
pages (single-spaced); I haven't counted, but I estimate there are between 50
and 65 "new" titles. They're all timed in the neighborhood of 13-14 minutes,
so I'm wondering if someone discovered a cache of previously unknown
transcription discs. Also, if  they are "new" episodes what kind of sound
quality are we going to hear?  I'll only mention one of the sites where I saw
these episodes: [removed]   Any information and enlightenment would be
greatly appreciated.

I'm greedy for them,

"Louie" Johnson

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Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2002 16:33:00 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Frank Parker, Bob Hope, WOTW

Elizabeth McLeod ended her wonderful facts on my friend Frank Parker with:

...yes, Bob Hope is still alive -- and approaching 100 -- but he didn't
make his network debut until the mid-1930s: a newcomer to the business
compared to Parker.

Just to add a bit to this observation, Frank Parker personally told me that
Bob Hope made his radio debut on Parker's radio show.  I have written to
Bob Hope repeatedly over the past six years or more, but I get no
response.  Thanks, Elizabeth, for adding to my background on Parker.

Then John Mayer added to my comments that the War of the Worlds "panic" is
greatly exaggerated, with this:

But speaking of the relatively mild panic - and I have read that there was
some in the states - it hardly compares with what happened South of the
border when a Spanish version aired. Large numbers of people really DID panic
and, when they were informed it was all a prank, surrounded the broadcast
studio in a fury and massacred everyone inside.

John is absolutely correct about this.  To add to our head-shaking,
disgusted response, this has happened not once, but several times over a
period of years, and not too far back!  Thank heaven Americans are a little
more sedate.

Warning:  stay away from international soccer games and latin radio
stations airing War of the Worlds!

Lee Munsick
A bit this side of Mars

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