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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2002 : Issue 80
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Paying Tribute to OTR Stars [ "vegan" <vegan@[removed]; ]
Interval Signals [ "Arte" <arte@[removed]; ]
The LR and the Green Hornet [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
Amos 'n' Andy 'n' Elizabeth [ Dominick Cancilla <mac@[removed]; ]
Today in radio history [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
"Twilight Zone" on radio [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]
The Hindenberg [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
Does anyone know a good service to p [ leon217@[removed] ]
Live radio broadcasts [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
BBC World Service [ "S Skuse" <sskuse@[removed]; ]
What are Bow Bells? [ "Andrew Emmerson" <midshires@[removed] ]
Lone Ranger Music [ ROB CHATLIN <rchatlin@[removed]; ]
Remember Pearl Harbor [ widnerj@[removed] ]
New Ranger Project [ jleasure@[removed] ]
Ten Worst Radio Programs of all time [ "Gary Yoggy" <yoggy@[removed]; ]
Thanks [ "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@delphiau ]
Re: Empire State Crash [ "Marvin R. Bensman" <MBensman@memph ]
Big Ben Chimes and the BBC [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Big Ben [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Imagination Theater web site [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Ban on (most) Recordings [ steve mcguffin <earl22002@[removed] ]
I must be missing something [ neil crowley <og@[removed]; ]
THE CISCO KID [ Glenn Alexander <glenn31313@[removed] ]
Keystone Network [ RSmithKrog@[removed] ]
Re: SFX Missed Cues [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:17:23 -0500
From: "vegan" <vegan@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Paying Tribute to OTR Stars
I have a suggestion for a way to express our appreciation to all the OTR
Stars that brought us (and still do) so much [removed]
Why not start a grass roots campaign to have some postage
stamps created to honor them. Its been done for other media stars like
Marilyn Monroe and Elvis Presley.
Any comments? Robert Dezendorf Florida
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:17:34 -0500
From: "Arte" <arte@[removed];
To: "OldRadio Mailing List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Interval Signals
Many short-wave broadcasters used musical notes as interval
or marker signals.
As has been noted here, BBC, VOA and others.
In the 60's I remember hearing one in the Pacific area that
consisted of the first
ten notes of "Midnight in Moscow" repeated about every 10-15
seconds. I never was
able to listen long enough for the station to come on, so I
never learned the identity.
Anyone remember this signal and who it was?
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:29:07 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The LR and the Green Hornet
Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 19:01:57 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
The Lone Ranger was referred to on the Green Hornet show, described, I
believe, as the great uncle of Britt Reid. Were these references oblique
or clearly stated?
In =The Great Radio Heros=, Jim Harmon describes a scene in a GH show in
which Britt Reid says to his father, Dan, "I know personally that the
Green Hornet is no criminal. In his own way, he fights for law and
order."
Old Dan Reid nods and says he can believe that, and Britt tells his
father that he is the GH. Dan says he suspected as much, and Britt asks
how. Dan refers to the painting on the wall of the Masked Man on the
great white horse. "Everyone knows who he was -- he is a part of
American history. But the world does not know that the Masked Man is
your ancestor, Brit -- my uncle, your great-uncle."
"Then I'm carrying on in his tradition, bringing to justice those he
would fight if he were here today."
"Yes, Brit. HE would be as proud of you as I am."
The William Tell overture plays faintly in the background throughout the
scene.
--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed]
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:29:46 -0500
From: Dominick Cancilla <mac@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Amos 'n' Andy 'n' Elizabeth
A few months ago, I interviewed a number of people who frequent this list
for an article I was going to do on OTR for The Spook online magazine
([removed]). I got so much material, that I ended up proposing
a series to the editor instead of just a single article.
The first article, on Amos 'n' Andy, is now live on the Website. It's in
Adobe Acrobat format, and you can either find it through the site or (if
you're not interested in the rest of the magazine) download that article on
its own through this link --
[removed] . Note that this file
is [removed] MB in size, so it may take a while to download.
The article is in two parts -- an analysis of Amos 'n' Andy's impact on
American culture with an emphasis on deciding whether or not the show was
racist, and an interview with Elizabeth.
If you have any comments, send 'em to editor@[removed]. Feedback from
readers will make it easier for me to do further installments in the series.
And finally -- thanks to everyone here who helped me with this!
--Dominick
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:29:57 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in radio history
From Those Were The Days --
1932 - Radio's greatest effort of on-the-spot news coverage began as NBC
and CBS rushed to Hopewell, NJ to cover the kidnapping of the Charles
and Anne Lindbergh baby.
1941-- Commercial FM broadcasting began in the [removed] when station W47NV
in Nashville, TN started operations.
1941 - Duffy’s Tavern debuted on CBS.
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:30:43 -0500
From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Twilight Zone" on radio
>From the Chicago Sun-Times:
"Rod Serling's classic television tales of science fiction and fantasy from
"The Twilight Zone" are about to enter the dimension of radio.
"Stacey Keach will serve as host of a nationally syndicated weekly radio
series of one-hour dramas adapted from Serling's original scripts and
produced in Chicago.
"With Serling as host, producer and, in many cases, writer, "The Twilight
Zone" originally aired on CBS from 1959 to 1965.
"The radio series is the brainchild of Carl Amari, chief executive of
northwest suburban Schaumburg-based Falcon Picture Group and producer of
"When Radio Was," an old-time radio showcase syndicated to 300 markets. In
Chicago it airs at midnight Monday through Friday on WBBM-AM (780).
"Amari confirmed Wednesday that he has signed a deal with CBS Enterprises for
the rights to 150 of Serling's "Twilight Zone" scripts, which he plans to
"contemporize" and expand to accommodate a radio format. He plans to launch
the series on Halloween, with cassette and CD sales to follow."
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:31:00 -0500
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Hindenberg
Agreat movie entitled "The Hindenberg" playes often on the Action channel,
part of the Encore package. It stars George C. Scott and others and follows
the whole history of the dergible, ending, of course, with its crash and the
possible causes. Its a war related film and is done very well, imo.
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:32:15 -0500
From: leon217@[removed]
To: OldRadio Mailing Lists <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Does anyone know a good service to purchase otr shows?
I would prefer a site to download from instead of buying mp3 cds.
Thanks
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:34:45 -0500
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Live radio broadcasts
To put a "local" spin on the subject, I remember that, as a kid in
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, in the late 1950's:
KDKA Radio had a special vehicle fitted out with microphones and
transmitting apparatus that was designed for "on the scene" broadcasts of
breaking news stories. There was a specific "mobile news reporter" who
raced to fires, shootouts, etc. to give us listeners live descriptions of
newsworthy events. I had the impression that this coverage was exclusive to
KABC; all the other stations seemed to cover the events after they had
happened.
(Aside: I don't remember the name of the "roving reporter", but I do
remember that, some years later, he left KDKA for a competing radio station
which had changed its format to "all-talk" in order to take advantage of AM
radio's audience shift to talk radio. The guy got his own talk show. From
the first day on the air, he spent huge amounts of air time badmouthing his
former [removed] talking about how oldfashioned the management was, how
decrepit the facilities and equipment were in comparison to the machines in
his new studio, etc. I thought at the time that his was unprofessonal
conduct [besides, I *liked* KDKA]. The other talk show hosts were similarly
brash. Within a year, the station changed again - to a sports format, I
think - and they all were fired.)
KDKA also had a shortwave specialist available, who gave us Pittsburgh AM
radio listeners access to selected "international" feeds from the BBC, etc.
when there was "breaking news" from overseas. His name was "Big John" or
something - maybe somebody else can help here?
Anyhow, at this time at least one local radio station was providing "live"
news broadcasts at a time when television news programs were promoting
"film at eleven"... assuming the plane carrying the film would arrive on time.
Herb Harrison
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:46:38 -0500
From: "S Skuse" <sskuse@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: BBC World Service
Bill Orr wrote:
Lilliburlero (correct spelling) is the marchpast (official march,
as we say in the colonies) of The Corps of Royal Electrical and Mechanical
Engineers. Bill, I miss it, too. It is a catchy and high-spirited tune.
The BBC's General Overseas Service became the World Service on 1st May 1964,
and used the tune "Lilliburlero" before each world news bulletin.
That tune can be heard at this internet address:
[removed]
Sandra Skuse
Website: [removed]
dedicated to English OTR comedian Jimmy Clitheroe
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:55:45 -0500
From: "Andrew Emmerson" <midshires@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: What are Bow Bells?
So what are/were they? Where/what is "Bow"?
They are the bells of a church named St Mary-le-Bow, which stands in
Cheapside, in the City of London. Cheapside is the street that runs from St
Paul's Cathedral towards the Mansion House and the Bank of England.
To be a 'true Londoner', you are supposed to have been born within the sound
of Bow Bells but that is just an old story put about by Cockneys!
There is also a district named Bow on the east side of London but it has
nothing, repeat nothing, to do with Bow Bells.
A carillon, perhaps playing "changes"?
Not a carillon as such but normal church bells, played in a repeating
sequence. Normally you'd call this change ringing but there weren't many
changes rung in this particular performance.
Thanks - I'll keep my eyes and ears pealed
Ouch!
Andy Emmerson.
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:18:07 -0500
From: ROB CHATLIN <rchatlin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Lone Ranger Music
A few years back, a book was published on this topic.
I think was called The Mystery of the Lone Ranger's
Music, or something similar. I'm sure it's out of
print right now. I borrowed a copy from a libary at
the time. It was real interesting, the author did a
pretty thorough recount of all the music cues, where
it was orchestrated/recoreded, and where the pieces
were used outside of The Lone Ranger.
Great reading if you can find a copy.
I'm still searching for another.
rob
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:18:25 -0500
From: widnerj@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Remember Pearl Harbor
I already replied to Ken separately, but thought I'd pass this on to
the list. He asks about a song called "Remember Pearl Harbor" around
the time of the attack. More information about this song, which did
exist then is at [removed]~[removed]
The song was written by Don Reid with music by Reid and Sammy Kaye and
first appeared in the San Francisco Examiner on January 11, 1942.
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:08:37 -0500
From: jleasure@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: New Ranger Project
This is what I found regarding this new WB Lone Ranger project.
'British thesp Fay Masterson (''Drive,She Said''), and another newcomer,
Anita Brown, have nabbed roles in the WB/Turner TV project ``The Lone
Ranger.'' Masterson and Brown join Chad Murray ("Gilmore Girls," "Dawson
Creek") and Nathanial Arcand ("North of 60" Canadian TV)in the WB's
``Ranger,'' which is billed as a updated ``Lone Ranger.'' Brown will play the
sister of sidekick Tonto (Arcand), with Masterson as the widowed
sister-in-law of the Ranger (Murray) in the two-hour pilot. '
These are young actors who usually play [removed] the
Smallville-itazation of "The Lone Ranger."
Oh well, maybe Klinton Spilsbury will have the last laugh.
John Leasure
jleasure@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:09:17 -0500
From: "Gary Yoggy" <yoggy@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Ten Worst Radio Programs of all time
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I'm looking for nominations for the ten WORST radio shows of all time for a
program I will be doing at the Newark convention in October. It can be a
series (eg., the Jack Webb Show) or a particular episode or broadcast. All
nominations will be gratefully considered. Gary Yoggy
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:17:30 -0500
From: "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Thanks
Thanks to everyone who responded to by question about broken speech. I
really appreciate the info and insight. However, when I saw my own
message in the digest, I realized that it didn't read quite like I
intended. First, when I mentioned Mr. Stone and Mr. Bartell, I didn't
mean to imply that THEY made this kind of mistake, I just wanted to draw
on their experience in radio. Second, I suppose this kind of situation
didn't happen VERY often, it's just when I do hear it, it's the audio
equivalent of hitting a speed bump at full speed. So, it's very
noticable. Anyway, thanks for all the great responses!
In #79 Lee Munsick said:
One wonders how many people will have the
9-11 disaster just this messed up in their
minds, 55 years from now?
Check out the Urban Legends Reference Pages ([removed]) Rumors of
War section for some incredible examples of how this is already starting
to happen!
-Chris Holm
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:22:30 -0500
From: "Marvin R. Bensman" <MBensman@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Empire State Crash
Lee noted:
From: leemunsick@[removed]
I read somewhere that part of the B-25 (probably an engine) went right
through the building and out the other side, but have never read where it
wound up, or what damage it did in the process.
The newsman conducting interviews reports at the beginning that one
of the engines went down an elevator shaft; killing the "girl"
operator who had just come on duty. One man jumped to get away from
the fire. The others were caught in the offices and hallway. They
talked to people who were supposed to be there, but for some reason
or other fatefully avoided the crash. It sounds so much like the
reactions and items broadcast at 9/11.
--
Professor Marvin R. Bensman, [removed], [removed]
University of Memphis Department of Communication
Radio Archive Director
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:16:41 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Big Ben Chimes and the BBC
Ken Piletic wrote:
BBC has eliminated it's (shortwave) broadcasts to North America.
We cannot hear their "live" broadcasts any more. I suspect that may
Actually, you can still hear the BBC live both via the Internet and I can
still hear their English language World Service broadcasts to other parts
of the world via shortwave. It may not be directed toward North America
anymore, but one can still pick them up in English.
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:16:59 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Big Ben
Not to nit-pick, but just so you can't say you didn't learn anything today:
Big Ben is the name of the CHIMES in the clock in the tower of the Houses of
Parliament in London.
Actually, Big Ben is the single bell that sounds on the hour. Not the
chimes that sound before it and on the other portions of the hour.
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:17:14 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Imagination Theater web site
If you would have gone to my links page
[removed]
and search for "Jim French" you would have found the following:
[removed]
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:17:35 -0500
From: steve mcguffin <earl22002@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ban on (most) Recordings
To give some more insight on the ban on recordings, at
least on CBS, I direct you (again) to William L.
Shirer's "The Nightmare Years". Mr. Shirer gives his
interesting, albeit biased, take on some events which
CBS missed due to this ban. Also interesting are his
comments about Columbia's interest in airing programs
such as Europe Dances (I think that's correct, don't
have the book in front of me) while significant news
events were taking place during 1938-39.
Steve McGuffin
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 19:18:14 -0500
From: neil crowley <og@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: I must be missing something
From: Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@[removed];
Subject: RE: INTERUPTED DIALOUGE
... Therefore, the bad timing, must lay on the shoulders of the
writers IMHO.
Hunh? Hal Stone and Harry Bartell, skilled and experienced actors, didn't
blame the writer. The poor scribe is the architect, not the builder - he
can be blamed for bad design but not bad cement.
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:04:16 -0500
From: Glenn Alexander <glenn31313@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: THE CISCO KID
CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHO PLAYED THE CISCO KID ON RADIO
AND HOW MANY SHOWS MAKES UP THE SERIES? ALSO HOW MANY
SHOWS MAKES UP THE SERIES, "SERGEANT PRESTON OF THE YUKON"?
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Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:16:35 -0500
From: RSmithKrog@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Keystone Network
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Does anyone on the digest have any information on the Keystone Radio Network?
Thanks in advance;
Richard
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Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:21:19 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: SFX Missed Cues
Hi Hal!
Well, according to Gerturde Warner, the same sort of thing happened during a
broadcast of The Shadow while she had the role of Margo Lane. The sound man
fired the pistol and nothing happened and all of a sudden the director of
the show (who's name escapes me) runs out of the control booth and yells
"Bang!...Bang, Bang!!!"
Hi Scott. Funny story. But all too [removed] too true. I wish I could
remember all the SFX goofs caused by malfunctioning equipment or props.
Like doors not opening and closing on time, or windows, or telephone rings.
Which leads me to tell a Show Business joke from years back.
An aspiring young actor just could not find work on Broadway. His friend and
room-mate was lucky, and had a small part as one of the spear carrier's in a
play about some medieval English/French war. One of the other actors in the
cast had a one line bit part as a [removed];> "[removed] hear the sound of
cannon", meant to be delivered as soon as distant cannon sounds came from
off stage.
It turns out this guy with the important line of dialogue got sick just
before curtain, and the stage manager was desperate to find someone to
replace him ASAP. It just so happens, the out of work actor just happened to
be visiting his room-mate in the theatre. To make a long story short, the
Stage Manager saw his chance, and hired the guy right on the spot as an
emergency replacement. The Play had already started, and everyone is rushing
around feverishly getting this new guy into his "armor" costume, and the
stage manager is drumming the line into his ears, amid much confusion. He's
saying "Remember [removed] the line is "HARK! I HEAR THE SOUND OF CANNON".. Ya
got that"? And the actor is nodding his head enthusiastically, thrilled to
finally get his big moment on the Broadway Stage. At that instant, the
replacement actors cue for his grand entrance arrives, and the Stage manager
literally thrusts him onstage, and at the same time, cues the "Cannon
Sound".
A horrendous roar erupts from off stage, startling the wannabe actor, and
all he can yell out [removed] "What the F--- was that?????
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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