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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2003 : Issue 271
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Laura dream [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
MARVIN MILLER [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
racist language [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
Birthdates and deathdates [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
"Our Secret World" [ "Mark L" <resimark@[removed]; ]
Fu Manchu [ dantrigg422@[removed] ]
Racist language [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
Orson Welles writer? [ benohmart@[removed] ]
racial language [ "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed]; ]
Racist Language [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
Re: Shadow of Fu Manchu [ "HARLAN ZINCK" <zharlan@[removed] ]
Re: "The Hitchhiker" [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
Today in radio history [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
Lone Ranger on Thesaurus [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
Re: That day in November [ "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed] ]
Re: Favorites [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
SF program [ "William Schell" <bschell@[removed] ]
Obscure 1930s shws [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:21:23 -0400
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Laura dream
Hi Everybody, Laura mention in a post that she had a dream to open a
theater that feature pr-1965 shows. I say don,t give up the idea Laura.
All you need to do is to figure out review streams to support the idea.
Maybe a Bed and Breakfast with some of your ideas, maybe an eating place,
or a store. You have the talent and skills to pull this off. Take care,
Walden
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 18:36:29 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: MARVIN MILLER
My mentor has more credits, in ALL the Golden Age books, than anybody in
radio during that period!
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:33:33 -0400
From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: racist language
Doug Leary wrote :
applying current standards to earlier times in history . . . happens
far too often in OTR discussions.
and
I wouldn't call the term "Japs"
any uglier than the term "Brits." Both are simple abbreviations, and
neither word is racist. There were much worse names for foreigners. Terms
like "Limeys" and "Krauts" for example, seem far more disrespectful than
"Japs."
I suggest that the key determinant of whether a term is racist is
perception of the recipients. Context is also an important factor. Years
ago I heard some white southerners argue that "nigger" was not intended
as a racist term. But there is probably little debate about the meaning
of the word today. In stating that terms like "Limeys" and "Krauts" for
example, seem far more disrespectful than "Japs," Doug appears to be
applying his own sensibilities to the issue. But the key issue is not how
he feels about it, but how Japanese people do (and did) feel about the
term "Japs." My posting in the digest in Volume 2003 : Issue 270 provides
a partial answer.
Doug also wrote "internment camps were certainly not the result
of racist language." But he then goes on to infer that the fact that the
Japanese were far more alien (to Americans) than Germans in appearance,
language, dress, housing, food and religion may have played a role in the
extent to which Japanese Americans were singled out for internment. I
suggest that the use of the term Jap may have reflected both the extent
to which Americans perceived the Japanese to have been alien --- as well
as the hostility which many Americans felt toward the Japanese.
One more thing: we've left out of the discussion the fact that some radio
shows and films of the war era openly called the Japanese "inhuman." I
heard the statement while viewing a WWII era film the other day. The name
of the film was the same name as one of the islands in the Pacific (sorry
I can't be more specific. I'm having a senior moment.)
Howard Blue
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:34:37 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Birthdates and deathdates
It seems as if my e-mail got lost in the ether. I am resending the birthday
and death list for the 10th, 11th and 12th.
July 10th births:
07-10-1889 - Graham McNamee - Washington, [removed] - d. 5-9-1942
announcer: "Fleischmann Hour"; "The Fire Chief"; "Treasury Hour"
07-10-1905 - Thomas Gomez - NYC - d. 6-18-1971
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
07-10-1920 - David Brinkley - Wilmington, NC - d. 6-11-2003
newscaster: WRC Washington [removed]; "Nightline"
07-10-1921 - Jeff Donnell - South Windham, ME - d. 4-13-1988
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
July 10th deaths:
05-30-1908 - Mel Blanc - San Francisco, CA - d. 7-10-1989
actor: Professor Pierre La Blanc "Jack Benny Program"; August Moon "Point
Sublime"
11-11-1909 - Robert Ryan - Chicago, IL - d. 7-10-1973
actor: "Document A/777"
12-17-1896 - Arthur Fiedler - South Boston, MA - d. 7-10-1979
conductor: "Robert Merrill with the Boston Pops Orchestra"; "Boston Pops"
July 11th births
07-11-1888 - Dr. Lyman Bryson - Valentine, NE - d. 11-24-1959
moderator: "American School of the Air"; "Invitation to Learning"; "People"s
Platform"
07-11-1892 - Thomas Mitchell - Elizabeth, NJ - d. 12-17-1962
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Cavalcade of America"
07-11-1906 - Harry Von Zell - Indianapolis, IN - d. 11-21-1981
actor, announcer: Bill Smith "Smiths of Hollywood"; "Burns and Allen"
07-11-1914 - Tommy Bartlett - Milwaukee, WI - d. 9-6-1998
emcee: "Welcome Travlers"
07-11-1922 - Bernard Punsly - NYC
actor: The Bowery Boys
July 11th deaths
01-18-1899 - Lucille Wall - Chicago, IL - d. 7-11-1986
actress: Portia Blake "Portia Faces Life"; Belle Jones "Lorenzo Jones"
05-22-1907 - Lord Laurence Olivier - Dorking, England - d. 7-11-1989
actor: "Biography in Sound"; "Document A/777"; "Hour of Mystery"
09-26-1898 - George Gershwin - Brooklyn, NY - d. 7-11-1937
pianist, composer: "Music by Gershwin"
12-10-1889 - Ray Collins - Sacramento, CA - d. 7-11-1965
actor: Doc Will Hackett, "County Seat"; member of The Mercury Theatre
July 12th births
07-12-1884 - Edgar Stehli - Lyons, France - d. 7-16-1973
actor: Dr. Huer "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century"; Rex A. Starr "It"s Murder"
07-12-1886 - Jean Hersholt - Copenhagen, Denmark - d. 6-2-1956
actor: Dr. Paul Christian "Dr. Christian"
07-12-1895 - Oscar Hammerstein II - NYC - d. 8-23-1960
lyricist: "Pet Milk Show"
07-12-1908 - Milton Berle - NYC - d. 3-27-2002
comedian: "Milton Berle Show"; "Let Yourself Go"; "Three Ring Time"
07-12-1919 - Vera Hruba Ralston - Prague, Czechoslovakia
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
July 12th deaths
01-27-1888 - Harry "Singin" Sam" Frankel - Hillsboro, OH - d. 7-12-1948
singer: (The Barbasol Man) "Reminiscin" with Singin" Sam"
02-10-1906 - Lon Chaney, Jr. - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Territory - d.
7-12-1973
actor: "Pursuit of Happiness"
02-12-1904 - Ted Mack - Greeley, CO - d. 7-12-1976
emcee: "Original Amateur Hour"
06-02-1902 - Jimmie Lunceford - Fulton, MO - d. 7-12-1947
bandleader: Big Band Remotes
07-14-1927 - John Chancellor - Chicago, IL - d. 7-12-1996
newscaster: WMAQ Chicago, NBC
12-18-1864 - S. Parkes Cadman - Wellington, Shropshire, England - d. 7-12-1936
preacher: "National Radio Pulpit"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn and Jay Jostyn
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:35:03 -0400
From: "Mark L" <resimark@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Our Secret World"
Hello Again,
I'm writing for a second request for any information on obtaining one
or several copies of "Our Secret Home", a war time series that was broadcast
out of WOR Mutual in New York from 1942-1943. Milton and Ann Stanley were
stars. I don't mean to be a pest, but to reunite one of the actors with a
radio program that they haven't heard in 60 years since they acted in it
seems like a wonderful thing to do to further preserve and educate people
about radio's golden years. I plan on producing a documentary style piece
for syndication if I can get a hold of any copy of the show. Jim Dunning's
book has it listed, but that's about the most I could find out with my web
research. Speaking with quite a few collectors about this show has
suprisingly proved fruitless, they've never heard of it. Thank you all for
taking the time to read this, I hope someone out there could point me in the
right direction on how to obtain a copy or speak with someone who could
help, and I'll try to return the favor in any way possible. Thanks again.
- Mark Lavonier
WRVO Playhouse Producer
please send any replies to: resimark@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:36:11 -0400
From: dantrigg422@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fu Manchu
I might be able to help Rick Keating out on Fu Manchu, and Radio
Spirits/Metacom.
Before Radio Spirits was bought by Media Bay they offered several soaps as
in Ma Perkins, Widder Brown, The Easy Aces, and a couple more. Then one day
they were not available along with When Radio Was.
Thru this digest I found Jerry Haendiges web site, and he had these shows. I
placed an order and Jerry knew who I was as he was supplying Radio Spirits
the shows I was ordering.
This might be what Anthony Tollin is referring to. I said might.
I do not know if the Fu Manchu shows are the same, but I have ordered other
sets that had shows I had received in previous sets. This happened after the
Media Bay
Purchase of Radio Spirits.
Sincerely,
Dan
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 19:36:46 -0400
From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Racist language
I was listening to someone discuss the type of language
used during the 1940's to describe the enemy. I must admit,
I was acquainted with most of the terminology (although I
never use such slurs myself). There was one I hadn't heard
before which I wish someone would explain to me off list.
The term was "Nip". Does this also refer to the Japanese?
Rumors abound about Eddie Cantor and the pro American
stance he took on his shows. I only have one of his programs
on tape. Wouldn't the censoring body of the era have edited any
such statements from the programs or nixed their use during
rehearsal for the program?
Kenneth Clarke
kclarke5@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 20:01:47 -0400
From: benohmart@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Orson Welles writer?
This isn't Quite an otr question, but if anyone here has direct contact info for an Orson
Welles biographer, please get in touch. I have a question about Paul Frees. Thanks.
Ben
Gildy's Scrapbook
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 21:59:35 -0400
From: "Robert Angus" <rangus02@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: racial language
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Another distinction between Germans and Japanese in the [removed] in 1941 was that
the former represented significant voting blocs in New York City, Wisconsin
and other parts of the country. Japanese-Americans wielded no clout at the
polls, even in California.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:50:05 -0400
From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Racist Language
Michael Berger said
On radio, apart from the stereotypes, the ugly
word jap was used commonly, not only in dramatic shows but on newscasts,
before and during the war. Again, this was in sharp contrast to
references to Germans, who were almost always "Nazis" or just Germans.
The ugly word Jap?? Who makes up these rules anyway? Is the word Brit
ugly? Is the word Itai ugly? What about yank? I've been called Yank
around the world and never thought it was ugly despite the fact that
"Yankee go home" is a well known anti American slogan.
And as I recall the Germans were called derisively called Krauts, but I
still wouldn't call it ugly (I guess it would depend on your dietary
tastes!) I think that most of these things are the result of shortening
the rather long and multi syllable national names rather than any
original intent of racisim.
Actually if Micheal really thought about it I think he would remember
that it was the term "dirty jap" on the radio and in the comics that was
meant to stir up some emotions, not the word jap alone which had been
used for many years before WWII as had the terms Chink, Limey,etc.
I think that it's the intent when using these words and terms that
should be faulted not the words themselves. We will end up with the
english language as it was known 50 or 60 years ago being politically
incorrect and find ourselves constantly having to create new words that
as of yet have not been tainted by these kind of accusations.
So I ask again. Who makes up these rules? We probably will never know
but I'm willing to bet that those who perpetuate these ideas by
repeating them are the ones who are making sure that the true racists
will have these now tainted words to use in hate against whoever they
happen to dislike at the moment.
By the way I have Jap gardeners who are I think beautiful people!
George Aust
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:49:49 -0400
From: "HARLAN ZINCK" <zharlan@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Shadow of Fu Manchu
In reference to "The Shadow of Fu Manchu," Rick Keating writes:
I'd still be interested to know if the episodes available from First
Generation Radio Archives are the same storyline and if they are complete.
The shows the Archives is currently in the process of restoring are the ones
purchased by Ted Davenport a couple of years ago that had never been in
circulation before. Long-time Digest subscribers will probably remember
that, after buying the disks, Ted made them available on CD only after a
sufficient number of collectors sent in $[removed] each. This was to ensure that
he would recoup the sizeable investment he made purchasing the disks - a
wise move, considering that it took only a week or so after their release
for them to start popping up in MP3 form all over the place. I invested the
money myself and received the CD transfers a couple of months later.
The first set we're working on consists of the third serial, originally
heard in August and September 1939 and encompassing episodes #79 through
#117. A total of 23 episodes from this serial are currently known to exist,
meaning that sixteen episodes are still missing (episodes 83, 84, 87, 88,
89, 90, 91, 92, 95, 96, 97, 98, 101, 102, 113, and 114). This does, of
course, leave some gaps in the story - but its still relatively easy to
follow. Since the series was heavily promoted and syndicated throughout the
country, its always possible that the missing episodes will eventually turn
up.
As many readers know, the disks which Ted purchased from a midwestern
collector had been poorly stored over the years and were extremely worn and
scratchy. The resulting transfers, though well done, were unavoidably very
noisy and riddled with defects. As a result, the restorations are taking
considerable time - in some cases, over six hours of second-by-second,
painstaking hands-on work for a single fifteen-minute show, even after CEDAR
processing has been applied.
Once completed, the restored shows will be made available to Archives
members and, as a courtesy, a set will also be sent to Ted Davenport. We
hope, in the future, to restore the fourth serial as well - though this will
be awhile in coming, since something easier and less intense will definitely
be on the agenda after this gets done.
If you'd like to know more about the series and other Archives projects,
stop by our website and request a free subscription to our e-mail
newsletter.
Harlan Zinck, Preservation Manager
First Generation Radio Archives
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 00:26:38 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: "The Hitchhiker"
From: "Michael Ogden" <michaelo67@[removed];
I have one other broadcast of "The Hitchhiker" somewhere in my
collection which--judging from the commercials and the ambience--
dates from the late Fifties or early Sixties. It features, apparently,
an amateur cast, but isn't half bad (as I remember). The name
of the series was something like OUT OF THE MIST. Mike Ogden
Uh oh. That wouldn't happen to be "Thru the Mist" would it? And could
those commercials really have been Public Service Announcements? And could
the date be from 1966 or 67? If so, it might be a production that I
starred in which was aired several times, including as part of the "Thru
the Mist" series. There's an excerpt of it on [removed] with
comments by the producer and myself, and a matching excerpt from the 2nd
Orson Welles version. Surely these programs aren't circulating out there.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:24:52 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in radio history
From Those Were The Days --
1946 - The Adventures of Sam Spade was heard on ABC for the first time.
Joe
--
Visit my homepage: [removed]
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:25:37 -0400
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Lone Ranger on Thesaurus
In 1932 The lone Ranger was pressed on 16" platters and pressed for the NBC
thesaurus program syndication.
Sorry Saul, I wish this were true, but it couldn't be. The Lone Ranger was
not recorded, let alone pressed and distributed, before 1938. While it is
not impossible that someone somewhere recorded a pre-1938 show off of a line
or the air (the technology did exist), no copies have ever turned up.
Thesaurus didn't become available until about late 1934, or that's when it
was first advertised in trade magazines, and it didn't contain any LR eps. A
quick glance through the Joyce Record Club Thesaurus catalog reveals no such
entries.
The labels you saw were more likely from the 40s. I have asked myself many
times what I would give to hear the Ranger from 1935 or earlier. So far I
haven't had to decide.
Joe Salerno
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:29:23 -0400
From: "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: That day in November
On November 22, 1963 I was stationed at Schofield Barracks, Hawaii as a
postal clerk for the 25th Administration Company. I had the radio on when
the news bulletin came across about JFK being shot and was the first to tell
the company commander about it.
We had a memorial parade for JFK and will never forget that parade as I
marched. There was a very real concern at that time about whether another
country may have been behind the assassination.
Just missed by minutes seeing Lee Harvey Oswald shot on national TV but
didn't really want to see it anyway.
This day emphasized the power of radio as I was 4000 miles from Dallas yet
could hear the news instantly. Even though OTR had died 13 months earlier it
did show radio still was a useful medium.
Andrew Godfrey
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:30:24 -0400
From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Favorites
Larry (Lux Radio Threatre) A. proposes the following panel and discussion:
First would be Elizabeth M. (Amos & Andy). Second Stephen K. (Capt. Midnight)
and third Michael H. (Dragnet). The question before the panel is of the
three which show has had the most significant influence on current fashions.
I'll have to go with Captain Midnight on this one, Larry. A good leather
bomber-jacket never goes out of style!
Michael H.
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 12:56:09 -0400
From: "William Schell" <bschell@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: SF program
Does anyone remember a radio program from San Francisco in the mid-50's
titled "What is it?". I can remember listening to this show from So. Calif.
with the signal wavering in and out. I think they had an audience and there
were lots of sound effects. As I remember it was just a mish mash of stuff
similar to the early "Hawthorne" TV shows out of LA.
Bill Schell
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:05:28 -0400
From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Obscure 1930s shws
A trading buddy of mine, Stephen Jansen in Illinois, has recently
acquired of set of four 15 minute radio shows which neither of us know
anything about, nor can we find these shows mentioned in all our
standard OTR reference books. They could be BBC shows, although the
presumption is they are North American productions. Purportedly they
were originally produced by "Broadcasters Program Syndicate--Bruce Ellis
& Associates."
The four programs are: 1) Transatlantic Murder Mystery, 2) Stratosphere
Murder Mystery, 3) Nemesis, Inc. and 4) Stonehill Prison Mystery.
Numbers 1 and 2 have a female PI in leading role, Irene Delroy. Number 3
also features a lady detective, Marie Ravell (phonetic) and Stephen is
convinced that the announcer on this show is the same announcer of 1930s
series, "Ghost Corps."
Anybody who can help us out here? Elizabeth?
Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
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