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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 374
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
COATING FAILURE [ "Ian Grieve" <ian@[removed] ]
The Cinnamon Bear [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
#OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig [ lois@[removed] ]
The Lone Ranger Mini Lunch [removed] [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
VARIOUS [ "Ian Grieve" <ian@[removed] ]
Re: Fibber [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
Bill Lippon [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
KYW [ "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed]; ]
Re:Lost Shows [ TedOTR@[removed] ]
Re:Firefighters [ TedOTR@[removed] ]
Finding Lost Shows [ JE Purvis <hqsouth@[removed]; ]
Re:"Unreleased shows" [ "Randy Spurlock, [removed]" <randys@usit ]
re:Missing Shows [ Bob <hoban_2001@[removed]; ]
Radio Folks [ Larry Gassman <lgassman@[removed] ]
Bill Lipton [ otrbuff@[removed] ]
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:02:40 -0500
From: "Ian Grieve" <ian@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: COATING FAILURE
I refer to Michael Biel's comments regarding the high (scary) failure rate
mentioned in digest #369:
I wouldn't think I have encountered more than a 5% rate of coating
failures over the years of owning and inspecting tens of thousands of
discs--except in Australia. There the failure rate of Australian made
lacquer coated discs approaches 90%. About ten years ago their National
Film and Sound Archive (now called ScreenSound) had to stop everything
they were doing and devote all of their attentions to re-recording their
entire lacquer disc collection.
Michael, was this high failure in the original discs from the otr era, or
discs the Archives were dubbing to? Does it cover a particular period or
more widespread?
Very scary when you are dealing with such treasure. It is bad enough when
so few remain as it is, but to start losing what you have believed to have
saved is worrying. I am glad they got stuck into solving the issue, or at
least I hope they did.
Ian Grieve
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Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 23:03:01 -0500
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Cinnamon Bear
Dear Readers:
Time to begin thinking of Christmas and the all-time favorite children's
serial, "The Cinnamon Bear." You should play the first 15 minute episode
the day after Thanksgiving. The program has 26 installments. The last show
should be played on Christmas Eve.
There is no finer example of the golden age of radio (the program was first
heard in 1937). It is perfect for children and parents alike. Maybeland
is a wondrous place and you'll want to travel every road.
As Paddy O'Cinnamon would say, "I am much obliged to you!"
Dennis Crow
on behalf of THE CINNAMON BEAR BRIGADE (founded in 1988)
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 04:52:00 -0500
From: lois@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!
A weekly [removed]
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:24:28 -0500
From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Lone Ranger Mini Lunch [removed]
Folks;
Found some of these commemorative packages at a local supermarket at $[removed]
("$[removed] Value!") - lord only knows how much the things will cost to ship
(they are the size of three cereal boxes in a line, one 60th Anniversary
packaging box, one with the mini lunch box, and one plain old Cheerios box -
not heavy, but bulky to say the least), but they do have a couple of
handfulls of these packages, so if anyone wants me to pick one up and ship it
out, drop me email off-list.
Go [removed] have about a bazillion of the Nascar boxes, and 10-12 of
the Lone Ranger packages. (*sigh*)
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:26:21 -0500
From: "Ian Grieve" <ian@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: VARIOUS
Along came issue 373 and didn't it contain some gems.
A radio playing 1930's shows, boy I hope they recorded it, maybe this is
going to be the way to discover some lost shows :)
I think there has to be an Elizabeth fan club, put me down as a member, the
fantastic facts and information is just mindblowing. No Hal, it WOULD be
more than just a little puff in my case.
Rodney writes:
I have decided I want to listen to a western show, but I'm not sure which
one. I have ruled out Gunsmoke, because I don't need to get involved in
*another* series with hundreds and hundreds of episodes. I have narrowed
it down to two: Frontier Gentleman, and Have Gun Will Travel. My
question is: Which one do you think is better, and why? I want to get
the best show for my money.
Rodney, in Australia we didn't have a Western style of History like America,
some slight resemblence but only slight. Being a child of the 50's or 60's
I watched a lot of American Westerns on TV. Then I discovered OTR and of
course the first ones I went for were the Westerns, this is nostalgia after
all. Whilst I enjoyed the series you mention, I would vote for James
Stewart in, THE SIX SHOOTER and it is a small series. Sorry to throw this
at you after you narrowed it down to two others, but you didn't mention if
you were aware of THE SIX SHOOTER. The theme music still haunts me.
Ian Grieve
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:26:23 -0500
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Fibber
At 11:05 PM 11/20/01 -0500, you wrote:
The show in which Fibber listens to programs of the past was done in a
interview with Chuck Schaden of Chicago fame for his programs. There were
several of them. I assume that these are available. The last address I
have is: The Hall Closer, Box 421, Morton Grove IL 60053. I have heard he
has a web site, but I have never found it.
I taped these off the air when they were broadcast in Miami. I know I have
at least one. I just listened to it the other night. The one I know I have
was the last of the shows, because Fibber McGee asked people to write to
their station if they wanted to hear more of this type of show.
Somewhere I should have all of them.
Fred
For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]
New e-commerce page [removed]
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:26:24 -0500
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Bill Lippon
Bill Lippon was also Popsicle Pete in the commercial on Buck Rogers. Bill
did an interview for SPERDVAC that when Dan visited him. Take care,
Walden
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:26:27 -0500
From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: KYW
Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]; wrote:
KYW was moved to Philadelphia in 1934 after a long and complicated legal
controversy with federal regulators. (It was in Cleveland for a while later
on, but eventually moved back to Philadelphia where it remains today.)
As best I can tell, KYW did *not* move from Philadelphia to Cleveland --
only the call sign moved, when Westinghouse traded its Philadelphia radio
and TV stations for NBC's Cleveland stations. (The call sign returned when
the FCC forced NBC to give the stations back to Westinghouse in the 1960s;
supposedly NBC had threatened to yank their affiliation with KYW and/or
KYW-TV if Westinghouse didn't agree to a swap.)
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:26:29 -0500
From: TedOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Lost Shows
Michael Nella writes:
On this one subject, I was wondering what shows do we have a strong
suspicion that people are hoarding. I once remember reading that someone in
California had the entire run of I Love a Mystery shows. I think I also
recall that this topic most likely was false. Still just curious of what
might be out there.
I heard this rumor 30 years ago. None of the shows have ever surfaced. I
stopped believing in that rumor many years ago.
Ted Davenport
Radio Memories
[ADMINISTRIVIA: To show you the eternal power of this rumor, a few years ago
as part of an April Fools' hoax, I posted the Straight Arrow
"C-A-N-C-E-L-L-E-D" recording as a long-lost show found in the vast
collection of a Texas millionaire, and commented that I hoped we could pry
many more like programs out of his greedy hands. I thought that everyone
would get the joke when reading that, since it's been such an "urban legend"
in this hobby for so [removed] instead, I received _tons_ of mail asking for
contact information for this elusive miser, and even some offers of cash to
put together a stash of funds to hopefully _buy_ some of the many shows this
collector was hoarding. It got so depressing that I eventually had to close
down the joke, since it rapidly stopped being funny - so many people took it
so seriously and [removed] --cfs3]
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:27:09 -0500
From: TedOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Firefighters
The Radio GOLDINdex lists five episodes of the show. Apparently it
was a syndicated show from 1948 from William F. Holland Productions
Inc. The web site is [removed]
Well, I have 140 episodes of the show. It sounds more like 1930's material
rather than late 1940's but, of course, that is just my opinion.
Ted Davenport
Radio Memories
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:27:17 -0500
From: JE Purvis <hqsouth@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Finding Lost Shows
Hi Gang,
I've been looking for an episode of Quiet Please called
"100,000 Diameters." The only copy I've heard of is in
a private library. Is this one circulating anywhere else?
Thanks for the help.
Jerry
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:30:06 -0500
From: "Randy Spurlock, [removed]" <randys@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:"Unreleased shows"
I've been reading the ongoing thread with interest and wanted to
reply to a few of the comments. As someone who has just begun to
unearth some previously uncirculated shows, the plan for me depends
on the nature of the shows. With some of the shows that very little
or no money was invested in, I have no problems with trading with
other people for similar type material. If what I have is just a
less commonly heard show that is relatively uncommon only because
there is very little interest in the show, then the few surviving
copies circulating would be primarily among people who want to have
a copy of everything possible available in case someone might
want it in trade for something they desire more.
In regards to original transcription discs that I've spent money
for, sometimes considerable sums, to give copies away to anyone who
feels it's my obligation to is a bit naive. If I can't recoup at
least some of my investment by trading with some other collector,
then my available funds to purchase more material dries up rather
fast. Once I've gotten some of my investment recouped by leveraging
those shows for several more and I feel that I've "gotten my money's
worth" in trades, then I don't mind putting it into regular
circulation. If,
however, I trade to someone with the request that they hold onto the
copies until I've had an opportunity to get some trade mileage and
they don't respect that request, needless to say, the value of my
investment has dropped precipitously and the likelihood of me
trading with them in the future is nil. On occasion, I've sent
representative copies of shows to people who have a particular
interest in them without asking for anything, not even postage, with
only the request that they keep them for their own enjoyment for now
and not circulate them without my permission. Generally, that hasn't
been an unreasonable request for the people that I've asked it from.
In response to the comments of some about losing shows to the hobby
if a house burns or the collector dies, that's something I'm acutely
mindful of. Interestingly, I've e-mailed privately a couple of the
resident experts on our lists with an offer to send copies of
literally hundreds of first generation shows to them at no cost
whatsoever with only the above restrictions so copies would be
available to put into circulation if something happened to me
without any takers. Being not in the best of health, I'd not want to
take my collection
to the grave with me if something happened to me. Maybe I didn't
make it very clear or they weren't interested in them for some
reason or maybe they were offended at even the suggestion, I'll
never know since I never received a reply.
I think all of us have an obligation to help the hobby survive and
thrive and should give back whatever we can for those who've gone
before and have contributed to our enjoyment. That contribution can
take many forms, depending on what the giver has to offer:
--Make copies on cheap CDs of mp3 or audio cd format of a favorite
show/shows for someone who's new to the hobby
--Give away tapes or copies of tapes to others of a show they've
never sampled before.
--Encode and distribute mp3 files of some shows from your
collection if they've not already been done
--Buy some of the "When Radio Was" tapes from Radio Spirits when
they offer them in bulk, listen to them, and then pass them along
intact to someone else who might enjoy them
--Support the many dealers who keep shows available that aren't
nearly viable for the "big guys"
--Attend FOTR, SPERDVAC, or the Cincinatti show or any others close
by if possible
--Answer questions for the newer folks around here (like me) and
share the knowledge
And, last but not least, in view of this being the Thanksgiving
season, support the kind folks who make this list possible with a
small (or large) financial contribution to the link that appears
right after you stop reading at the end of every list. If you can't
afford to donate anything, at least send a nice email, I suspect an
occasional heartfelt thanks helps a bit, although it's hard to use
it to pay for the server. I've done all the above
except share the knowledge (not my area of specialty) and it always
seems to work out for the best.
Randy
--
Randy Spurlock, [removed]
Sevierville, TN
mailto:randys@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:30:56 -0500
From: Bob <hoban_2001@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re:Missing Shows
In the middle 80s, a well known mystery book
collector in San Francisco died in a freak accident.
His family decided to auction his outstanding
collection The auction house saw little value in the
transcription discs (thousands of same) and sold them
to someone for an absurdly small amount.
The shows have never been seen, or heard,
again.
I attended the auction and met some of his
family. Talking of collecting things mysterious, I
wondered why there were so few items besides books: a
couple placards, some pictures, one calabash pipe, but
no recordings.
I was told that there were many "big" records
but they didn't want to bother with them.
I asked if they remembered any of the
program's names and was told that there was a lot of
Holmes, of course, and that one closet was all Hammett
shows, another held nothing but Ellery Queen.
When asked who bought these, they said they
didn't know. He paid in cash.
Bob
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 09:32:54 -0500
From: Larry Gassman <lgassman@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Radio Folks
Hi,
I received this from someone who needs your help.
You may want to write him off list.
Larry Gassman
Write him at the following address:
Matt Holzman <mrh90006@[removed];
Larry & John-
I am trying to convince a local university to add more
radio studies to their communications curriculum.
I am looking for big name folks (creative or
business)who cut their teeth in radio to help with
this project. Bob Hope would be an example.
Can you make any suggestions off the top of your head?
Can you post this request on an OTR listserv or other
place that radio people congregate?
Thanks!
Yours in Radio,
Matt Holzman
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 10:50:31 -0500
From: otrbuff@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Bill Lipton
Adding to the roles previously listed that were played by the late Bill
Lipton, he was featured in recurring parts on The Right to Happiness,
Young Doctor Malone and The Road of Life. In the latter serial he was
John (Butch) Brent, Dr. Jim's adopted orphan son, who would grow up to
become a pediatrician at City Hospital, where his dad practiced.
Eventually Butch married an unrefined San Francisco girl, Francie, and
early on when the pair was on the brink of divorce it was her
father-in-law, Dr. Brent, who intervened and encouraged her to stay and
work out her troubles and to accept her rightful status as Butch's wife.
Bill Lipton and others in the cast had an opportunity to reprise their
radio roles in The Road of Life when it went to CBS-TV on Dec. 13, 1954.
Because an appreciable number of affiliates failed to clear the time to
make the drama feasible, it died a quick death there, on July 1, 1955.
The radio series, meanwhile, continued from Sept. 13, 1937 to Jan. 2,
1959 and was one of audio's most durable dishpan dramas.
Jim Cox
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