Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #297
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 9/29/2005 9:34 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2005 : Issue 297
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Dylan and Kerouac                     [ Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed]; ]
  Archives of the Airwaves              [ benohmart@[removed] ]
  Re: Thanx, Gary                       [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Get The Picture?                      [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@j ]
  OK, you got me.                       [ tomr5@[removed] ]
  Re: Black & White Ed Murrow film      [ stevenl751@[removed] ]
  OTR SciFi Podcasts                    [ seandd@[removed] ]
  Re: Jackie Gleason on radio??         [ "Michael J. Hayde" <michaelhayde@ea ]
  Frances Chaney interview              [ Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed]; ]
  The Goldbergs and Yom Kippur          [ Kenneth Schwartz <kschwar@[removed] ]
  Dylan                                 [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  Who Hears a Horton?                   [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
  Want "NEW" old time radio? Here's ho  [ "HARLAN ZINCK" <zharlan@[removed]; ]
  Lone Ranger                           [ Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed] ]
  query on a radio show                 [ "ed carr" <edcarr@[removed]; ]
  9-30 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Name of a show                        [ "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@bas ]

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:28:01 -0400
From: Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Dylan and Kerouac

Having been a young lad of 17 in Hibbing in 1959 while he was there I will
tell you this. He is not the person most people would invite into the
home. He is notliked by most of the people who knew him.

Curiously enough, if you go to Lowell, Massachusetts, you will find a
lot of people who think of Jack Kerouac only as a guy who was once
the town drunk. Yet, curiouser and curiouser, we are talking about
two of the greatest creative and innovative talents of the past
century. Like Norman Corwin, they turned words into magic.

Bhob

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:28:21 -0400
From: benohmart@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Archives of the Airwaves

This 10 volume set from historian Roger Paulson promises to be the Most
Complete
OTR encyclopedia ever written. At least seven times the size of John
Dunning's On the
Air, this massive tome has been 20 years in the making and is a MUST for any
fan of
radio. Biographies of its (even obscure) series and stars, it is the most
comprehensive
set ever attempted!

Volumes 1 and 2 are out now, with the rest to follow by the Fall of 2006. You
can buy
the first two now for just $[removed] each at the link below.

Ben Ohmart

Old radio. Old movies. New books.
[removed]

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:29:05 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Thanx, Gary

I wanted to say thanks to w. gary w. for his kind review of my book. No,
I've never gotten a grant in my life -- I'm a journalist, not an
academic, and that means I have to work for a living. And no, I never
expect to make back the money I had to spend to gather the materials
needed to write the book. But I think the results were worthwhile, and I
hope those who read the book get something out of it as well. (And yes, I
do get a small Amazon kickback from any copies ordered via my website,
[removed]~[removed])

One point I did want to correct for the record --

she convincingly presents
evidence that the only major organized protest against
the show by african americans was by a philadelphia
newspaper in 1931

Actually, as I state in the chapter devoted to the protest, that was the
Pittsburgh Courier, not a Philadelphia paper. There was an
African-American paper based in Philadelphia, the Philadelphia Tribune,
which had commented favorably on the program in 1930, and which did not
endorse the Courier campaign.

Elizabeth

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:29:26 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Get The Picture?

Howard Blue, speaking of monochrome movies, noted,

How about a film with no picture!? It could be conveyed even in cars
where people could listen without having to look - Any ideas of what to
call it?

Notion Pictures?  Nideo?  ;-)

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:29:51 -0400
From: tomr5@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OK, you got me.
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In the last digest, Ron Sayles had this entry:

11-23-1888 - Harpo Marx - Yorkville, NY - d. 9-28-1964
comedian: (First Marx Brother to speak on radio) Occasional guest spots

Would somebody please explain?
Regards,  Tom Rose
Honk, Honk.

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:30:12 -0400
From: stevenl751@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Black & White Ed Murrow film
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How about a film with no picture!? It could be
conveyed even in cars where people could listen without having to look

It's been done.  The picture of the 1993 film "Blue" was 79 minutes of an
unchanging blue screen.  All you had was music, voices, and sound effects.
It was director Derek Jarman's final film and he had lost his sight by then,
the movie was supposed to convey his experiences and frustrations with being
blind.  I remember the theater had a big sign at the box office to warn
patrons of what they were about to "see". It's a very powerful film and I
especially recommend it to readers here who are already experienced in
creating the pictures in the heads.

Steve Lewis

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:32:18 -0400
From: seandd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR SciFi Podcasts

This new website got a plug on [removed] this morning - it features
downloads of OTR science fiction as well as other audio sci fi.

Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]

[removed]

[ADMINISTRIVIA: Unfortunately, this seems to be a kid out of Canada who
doesn't have a _clue_ about Old-Time Radio; he referded to the great
scriptwriter George Leppards (for Lefferts). I suggested perhaps he should
join the Digest to learn a little about the [removed]  --cfs3]

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:33:10 -0400
From: "Michael J. Hayde" <michaelhayde@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Jackie Gleason on radio??

Jim Hilliker quoted CBS "propaganda" surrounding their former Sunset Blvd
studio home:

"It was here that the great CBS Radio stars such as Eddie Cantor, Al Jolson,
Jack Benny, Gene Autry, Steve Allen, Edgar Bergen, Bing Crosby, Orson Welles,
Red Skelton, Jackie Gleason, George Burns and Gracie Allen made history
broadcasting their shows in front of a live audience"

So, my question is, did Jackie Gleason ever have his own radio show on CBS,
or was he included for his TV work?

Whoever wrote that must've been looking at a generic list of CBS performers
from the fifties.  It would have made more sense for Lucille Ball to be
included than Gleason - assuming "My Favorite Husband" was broadcast from
there.

Unlike the others, Gleason was not a CBS radio star who transitioned to
television - he didn't even begin his TV career on the CBS network.  Gleason
came from nightclubs, burlesque and disk jockeying to NBC-TV as the star of
the first video version of "The Life of Reilly" (William Bendix was signed to
a motion picture contract that forbade him from doing television) in October
1949.  That series lasted only a year, after which he moved to TV's original
"fourth network" - DuMont - to host their big variety series "Cavalcade of
Stars".  It was on this show, live from New York, that Gleason first worked
with Art Carney and inhabited such characters as The Poor Soul, Reggie Van
Gleason, Joe the Bartender, the Loud Mouth, and Ralph Kramden.  I say
"inhabited" because it was "Cavalcade's" writing staff that actually created
them, although Gleason certainly had input into their development.

In 1952, CBS lured Gleason with much more money than DuMont could afford and
that NBC wanted to pay. (General Sarnoff stated "I don't make that much" when
he heard Gleason's price, to which Pat Weaver replied, "You can't do the
falls, General.")  "The Jackie Gleason Show" began on CBS that autumn, Audrey
Meadows replaced Pert Kelton, who had the misfortune of being listed in "Red
Channels", as Alice Kramden, and the rest is history.  And awa-a-a-y we go!

Even so, Gleason worked out of New York City, not Hollywood, correct?

Yes indeed, although he would occasionally bring his 1950's variety show west
to take advantage of the guest star pool.  Even so, those would have
originated from Television City, not the Sunset studios.

Michael

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:33:50 -0400
From: Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed];
To: ToPostOn OTRdigest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Frances Chaney interview

Bob Scherago posted this in #280:

Program 67 - October, 1975 - Frances Chaney
Frances Chaney, the radio actress who played the part of
Burma on "Terry and the Pirates" is interviewed by Dick and Ed.

OK, I didn't have access to my computer for two weeks
and missed seeing this posting and missed listening to
[removed]  I have a special interest in Terry & the
Pirates and would like very much to be able to hear
what Ms. Chaney said about that show.  The above three
programs are apparently no longer downloadable on the
"Golden Age of Radio" site.

Would anyone know how I might now hear that Chaney
interview (or read a script of it)??   Thanks.

-- Phil C.

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:38:28 -0400
From: Kenneth Schwartz <kschwar@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Goldbergs and Yom Kippur

The approaching Jewish High Holidays has raised a question in my mind:
did The Goldbergs broadcast on Yom Kippur? If so, did Gertrude Berg
suspend the continuing story for religious music or a condensed Yom
Kippur service? I've heard a 1934 episode where the regular story was
put aside for the first night of Passover. How  did they treat the
holiest day on the Jewish calendar?

best wishes for a happy new year to all,

Ken Schwartz

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:39:54 -0400
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Dylan

Patrick wrote about Bob Dylan:

Having been a young lad of 17 in Hibbing in 1959 while he was there I will
tell you this. He is not the person most people would invite into the home.

He is notliked by most of the people who knew him.

That was kind of a petty attack, Patrick.  If you watched the documentary
you would have realized that at least a few of his schoolmates did like him,
and are still his friends.  And he mentioned 2 girlfriends, one whose last
name was Story and the other whose first name was Echo.

I met Bob Dylan through mutual friends in Gerde's Folk City in Greenwich
Village in early 1961, after graduating from UC Berkeley in Jan 1961 and
returning to the NY suburbs for a few months to visit my parents.  This was
soon after he left Minnesota and before stardom.  He was playing hootenanny
nights at various village clubs,  and I liked him even before I heard him
sing.  Then I liked him even more.  He was clean, neat, attractive,
soft-spoken and definitely someone who would have been welcomed in my home.

I think Scorcese's documentary was an exceptional piece of work.
Personally it evoked very strong feelings in me because I accidentally was
in the right place at the right time.   I had friends connected to the folk
music community,  and spent a lot of  time in the Village when all that
stuff was happening, listening to Dylan and others.   The film emotionally
connected me to the 22 year old I was then, something that only a quality
director like Scorcese could do.

He's not completely disliked by Hibbing.  Hibbing has an annual 5-day event
called Dylan Days which includes exhibits at the library, music at the high
school, a literary competition, films, etc  and in this year's event May
2005,  the unveling of the street sign for 'Dylan Drive'.  Also a Dylan star
in Lake Superior Granite at Zimmy's Walk of [removed] (I assume Zimmy's is
named for Zimmerman, Dylan's real name)

And lastly, this statement from  the President of the Hibbing Chamber of
Commerce:

"Much has been made of the so-called rift between Bob Dylan and his
hometown," said Lory Fedo, Hibbing Chamber President. "This street sign, and
the support we've received from so many people here in town, shows once and
for all that this town is proud of Bob and what he's accomplished."

-Irene

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:40:55 -0400
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Who Hears a Horton?
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David K. Bialik recently mentioned a Himan Brown audio production involving
some of Brown's
familiar stock company players:

stage actors Marion Seldes,
(Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Mona Lisa Smile), Paul Hecht (Rosencrantz and
Guildenstern Are Dead, Miami Vice), Bob Balaban (Seinfeld) and Russell
Horton (Law and Order, Miami Vice).

I'm sure Mr. Horton has appeared  in these above TV shows, but outside his
CBSRMT roles, he's probably best-known for 1) providing the voice of the Trix
Cereal rabbit since, at least, the late 1970s, and 2) as the obnoxiously
pedantic  movie patron  going on about Marshall McLuhan in Woody Allen's
"Annie Hall."

BTW, besides from the George Clooney/Edw. R. Murrow film "Good Night and Good
Luck," the other film getting great word-of-mouth is "Capote" starring Phillip
Seymour Hoffman as Truman Capote. The above-mentioned Bob Balaban plays the
legendary "New Yorker" editor William Shawn. Talk about inspired casting!

Ether!

Derek Tague

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:48:36 -0400
From: "HARLAN ZINCK" <zharlan@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Want "NEW" old time radio? Here's [removed]

As one who has personally spent literally thousands of dollars out of my own
pocket to purchase transcriptions over the past few years - including well
over a grand for those recently mentioned "Little Orphan Annie" disks - I
can safely say that there is only one way to ensure the release of more
"new" old time radio: give your financial support to the people who work and
raise the money necessary to make it available.

I don't mean buying one copy of a show from a dealer, then making hundreds
of copies of it to resell or even to give away. Instead, purchase that copy,
enjoy it yourself, and then encourage others who would like a copy of it to
buy it from the dealer as well. The increased revenue will make it possible
for that dealer to afford to search out more rare shows in the future.

If you're obtaining your shows from an OTR club library, then by all means
go ahead and make copies for yourself. But if someone else wants copies,
encourage them to join that same club themselves and pay the very small
charges to rent the cassettes, reels, or CDs in their catalog. Likewise,
obey the reasonable restrictions that some clubs put on loans from their
libraries; considering all these hard-working volunteers do to perpetuate a
continuing interest in OTR, it's really not much to ask.

If you want to make more shows available, don't patronize the fly-by-night
MP3 dealers; very few of them do anything more than 'quick and dirty'
rip-offs of the work of others, with little or no concern for quality.
Likewise, don't buy into the "everything should be free" philosophy that too
many people seem to have these days; like it or not, it costs money to buy
radio disks, not to mention the thousands of dollars in equipment (and
endless hours of mostly unpaid time) that it takes to clean, transfer,
restore, and copy them to CD. Much as we all enjoy it, OTR is not a big
business -- if it were, you'd see huge amounts of it being sold in Wal-Mart.
Even if you see yourself as being an altruistic Robin Hood, reality is that
you're not stealing from the rich to give to the poor; you're stealing from
the very people who made these old shows available again and giving them to
those who mostly just want them because they're free.

If you are a member of one of the MP3 groups and you *really* want to hear
"new" shows, contact a club, a dealer, or some other OTR organization and,
as a group, offer to raise funds to help purchase some transcriptions. An
MP3 group of 200 people, contributing just $[removed] a month per person, will
raise $[removed] in a year -- that's enough to buy quite a few disks, no one
person will go broke in the process, and everyone will ultimately benefit
far beyond their investment. A dealer or a group or club that has an offer
of this kind of financial support will be happy to work to see that the
group gets copies of the shows they helped to purchase -- and there's a good
chance you'll even make back some or all of your investment if you choose to
resell the disks after you've transferred them. Truly a win/win all around.

In this often-impersonal electronic age, it may seem rather Pollyanna to
suggest that true OTR enthusiasts can work to stop the practices that, in
the long run, hurt all of us. But the fact is that any time the old time
radio community can truly work as a group for the common good, we all win --
more shows are found and are preserved, which results in more shows for all
of us to enjoy.

Just my personal two cents (which, to be honest, is the cheapest OTR expense
I've had in quite awhile) --

Harlan Zinck

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:48:53 -0400
From: Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Lone Ranger
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What is the earliest (correctly dated) available episode of Lone Ranger?

Visit [removed] for OTR program title and date corrections

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:49:02 -0400
From: "ed carr" <edcarr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  query on a radio show

hi
i have a question, is the dark chamber broadcast on inner sanctum a rare
show
ed carr

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:49:09 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  9-30 births/deaths

Septembere 30th births

09-30-1891 - Fabien Sevitzky - d. 2-xx-1967
director: "The Indianaoplis Symphony Orchestra"
09-30-1895 - Lewis Milestone - Odessa, Russia - d. 9-25-1980
film director: "Screen Director's Playhouse"
09-30-1896 - Fred Wright - San Diego, CA - d. 7-2-1990
writer, actor: "Lights Out"; "Mystery is My Hobby"; "Ma Perking"
09-30-1905 - Michael Powell - Bekesbourne, Kent, England - d. 2-19-1990
screenwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
09-30-1912 - Kenny Baker - Monrovia, CA - d. 8-10-1985
singer, comedian: "Jack Benny Program"; "Glamour Manor"; "Kenny Baker Show"
09-30-1921 - Deborah Kerr - Helensburgh, Scotland
actress: "Hollywood Calling"; "Hollywood Star Playhouse"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
09-30-1922 - Lamont Johnson - Stockton, CA
actor: Tarzan "Tarzan"; Mark Douglas "Wendy Warren and the News"
09-30-1922 - Oscar Pettiford - Okmulgee, OK - d. 9-8-1960
jazz composer, bass player: "Mildred Bailey Show"; "Esquire Jazz Concert"
09-30-1924 - Truman Capote - New Orleans, LA - d. 8-25-1984
author: "Cather: A Look of Remembrance"
09-30-1933 - Ben Cooper - Hartford, CT
actor: Brad Burton "Second Mrs. Burton"; Scotty "Mark Trail"
09-30-1935 - Jill Corey - Avonmore, PA
singer: "Jill Corey Show"; "Stop the Music"
09-30-1935 - Johnny Mathis - San Francisco, CA
singer: "Star Carousel"

September 30th deaths

01-04-1919 - Al "Jazzbo" Collins - New York City, NY - d. 9-30-1997
disc jockey: "Collins on a Cloud"; "Happy Al"
02-01-1922 - Miriam Wolfe - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-30-2000
actress: Nancy "Witch's Tale"
02-08-1931 - James Dean - Byron, IN - d. 9-30-1955
actor: "Hallmark Playhouse"
02-16-1903 - Edgar Bergen - Chicago, IL - d. 9-30-1978
ventriloquist: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
03-18-1886 - Edward Everett Horton - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-30-1970
actor, host: "Shell Chateau"; "Kraft Music Hall"
04-19-1907 - Lin Basquette - San Mateo, CA - d. 9-30-1994
actress: "Whatever Became of  . . . "
05-23-1912 - Marius Goring - Newport, Isle of Wight, England - d. 9-30-1998
actor: Sir Percy Blakeney/Scarlet Pimpernel "Scarlet Pimpernel"
06-10-1911 - Mary Lansing - Louisiana - d. 9-30-1988
actress: Betty Crane "The Greatest of These"; Julie Collins "The Guiding Light"
07-18-1920 - Charlie McCarthy - Chicago, IL - d. 9-30-1978
dummy: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
07-30-1890 - Casey Stengel - Kansas City, MO - d. 9-30-1975
hall of fame baseball manager: "DiMaggio Farewell"; "Witness!"; "Tops in
Sports"
08-09-1892 - Joe Emerson - Grand Rapids, MI - d. 9-30-1969
gospel singer: "Hymns of All Churches"; "Hymn Time"
11-25-1896 - Virgil Thomson - Kansas City, MO - d. 9-30-1989
composer: "Columbia Workshop"
12-09-1906 - Freddy Martin - Cleveland, OH - d. 9-30-1983
bandleader: "Penthouse Serenade"; "Fitch Bandwagon"; "Jack Carson Show"
12-18-1913 - Alfred Bester - New York City, NY - d. 9-30-1987
writer: "Charlie Chan"; "Nick Carter, Master Detective"; "The Shadow"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 21:49:24 -0400
From: "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Name of a show

Does anyone know the name of a show that was on radio in the early 1950s
that presented 30-minute adaptations of British movies?

Thanks

Ted

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