Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #43
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 2/9/2005 7:02 AM
To: [removed]@[removed]

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2005 : Issue 43
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  scary shows                           [ "William Vest III" <tsukasasan@hotm ]
  "The Dark"                            [ "Gary Dixon" <argy@[removed]; ]
  Re: Honeymooners?                     [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
  Re: The Dark                          [ Illoman <illoman@[removed]; ]
  2-9 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Arch Oboler's The Dark                [ "Hand R J (HLaSS)" <rhand@[removed] ]
  Andy Griffith                         [ "Don Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
  Oldest continuous radio broadcast?    [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
  Re: Karl Haas                         [ Christopher Werner <werner1@globalc ]
  RIP, George Herman, CBS News          [ Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed]; ]
  Robin Morgan on "I Remember Mama"     [ David Loftus <dloft59@[removed] ]
  Casebook of Gregory Hood              [ JayHick@[removed] ]
  Mystery Hall, Austin Welles           [ "Karl Schadow" <bluecar91@[removed] ]
  This question's a [removed]          [ Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed] ]
  The Stroud Twins on radio             [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Cloak and Dagger                      [ "Don Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
  Cincy Con                             [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  I Remember Mama                       [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:22:24 -0500
From: "William Vest III" <tsukasasan@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  scary shows
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Hello all! I'm trying to put together some staged shows of otr. A summer show,
Halloween, and Christmas. Right now I'm only concerned with the summer and
Halloween. I want to show two thirty minute shows for each. For summer I want
to have "Sorry, Wrong Number." And For Halloween I would like to have "Three
Skeleton Key."
However, I am having difficulty finding a companion show for both. I would
like your opinions. For summer I want to run a real good suspenseful show, not
necessarily supernatural. And I want to do the opposite for Halloween
(supernatural).
What do you find really scary? (for the Halloween show)
And what do you find particularly thrilling? I was kind of thinking about "The
Creeper" from Murder at Midnight. But I dunno.
I would really like to do "The Dark" from Light's Out but I can't find a
complete script or show.
Please feel free to e-mail me at tsukasasan@[removed]
Thanks!
Wm. Vest III

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:22:26 -0500
From: "Gary Dixon" <argy@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  "The Dark"
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Wm. West asked a question about Arch Obler's THE [removed] indicated that
the version in his collection runs a little more than 7 minutes?.

This adaptation Mr. West probably has is the one from the Arch Obler Lp: DROP
DEAD---AN EXERCISE IN HORROR which was released in the early 60s.  The album
recreated several Obler plays and featured a stellar cast of Classic Radio
Actors like Junius Matthews, Olan Soule, Mercedes McCambridge, Hal Peary and
many others.  Obler does the narration (and headers) for each story on the
[removed] perhaps this is "the voice" you're referring to?

argydix

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:53:49 -0500
From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Honeymooners?

02-08-1924 - Audrey Meadows - Wu Chang, China - d. 2-9-1996
actress: Alice Kramden "Honeymooners"

Pardon my ignorance, but does Audrey's inclusion on this list mean "The
Honeymooners" were on radio at one point, as a show or at least a sketch?

Dixon

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:54:34 -0500
From: Illoman <illoman@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: The Dark

On Tuesday, February 8, 2005, at 11:24 AM, [removed]@[removed] wrote:

I've got the collection of Light's Out. The show called "The Dark" 
(famous for the story line of turning people inside out), however,
only runs about 7 min.

William, I believe "The Dark" is the same as "Chicken Heart", in that 
the original episodes are considered lost, and the recreations on 
Arch's lp "Drop Dead" are all we have left. There was a group who did a 
complete recreation of Chicken Heart, The Gotham Players. It's pretty 
decent.

Mike

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:26:25 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  2-9 births/deaths

February 9th births

02-09-1891 - Ronald Colman - Richmond, Surrey, England - d. 5-19-1958
actor: William Todhunter Hall "Halls of Ivy"; "Jack Benny Program"
02-09-1892 - Peggy Wood - Brooklyn, NY - d. 3-18-1978
actress: "NBC Present Eugene O'Neill"; "Great Scenes from Great Plays"; "
02-09-1899 - Brian Donlevy - Portadown County, Armagh, Ireland (Raised: WI) -
d. 4-5-1972
actor: Steve Mitchell "Dangerous Assignment"
02-09-1901 - Walter Preston - Quincy, IL - d. 8-7-1982
singer: "Philco Hour"
02-09-1902 - Chester A. Lauck - Alleene, AR - d. 2-22-1980
comedian: Columbus 'Lum' Edwards "Lum and Abner"
02-09-1902 - Fred Harman, Sr. - St. Joseph, MO - d. 1-2-1982
cartoonist: Creator of Red Ryder
02-09-1904 - Carmen Miranda - Lisbon, Portugal - d. 8-5-1955
singer: "Hello Americans"
02-09-1910 - Peanuts Holland - Norfold, VA - d. 2-7-1979
jazz trumpeter, singer: "One Night Stand"; "Jubilee"; "Yank Swing Session"
02-09-1912 - Bob Hannon - Chicago, IL - d. 2-16-1993
singer: "American Melody Hour"; "Waltz Time"
02-09-1914 - Bob Hite - d. 2-18-2000
announcer: "Challenge of the Yukon"; "Green Hornet"; "Casey, Crime
Photographer"
02-09-1914 - Ernest Tubb - Crisp, TX - d. 9-6-1984
singer: (The Texas Troubador) "Grand Ole Opry"
02-09-1914 - Ralph Hermann - Milwaukee, WI - d. 7-28-1994
bandleader: "Herb Oscar Anderson Show"
02-09-1915 - Charlotte Holland - d. 1-13-1997
actress: Nita Bennett "Lone Journey"; Nora Drake "This is Nora Drake"
02-09-1922 - Kathryn Grayson - Winston-Salem, NC
singer: "Mail Call"
02-09-1939 - Janet Suzman - Johannesburg, South Africa
actress: "Guest Panelist "[removed]"

February 9th deaths

01-13-1884 - Sophie Tucker - Russia - d. 2-9-1966
singer: (The Last of the Red Hot Mammas) "Sophie Tucker and Her Show"
01-30-1914 - David Wayne - Traverse City, MI - d. 2-9-1995
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre" ;" Eternal Light"; "Stars in the Air"
02-08-1924 - Audrey Meadows - Wu Chang, China - d. 2-9-1996
actress: Alice Kramden "Honeymooners"
04-01-1909 - Eddy Duchin - Cambridge, MA - d. 2-9-1951
bandleader: (The Ten Magic Fingers of Radio) "Lasalle Style Show"
04-07-1908 - Percy Faith - Toronto, Canada - d. 2-9-1976
conductor: "Carnation Contented Hour"; "Pause That Refreshes on the Air"
05-07-1885 - George "Gabby" Hayes - Wellsville, NY - d. 2-9-1969
actor: "Andrews Sisters' Eight-to-the-Bar Ranch"; "Roy Rogers Show"
06-26-1902 - Bruce Evans - d. 2-9-1978
actor: Trapeze Artist "Circus Days"
07-06-1925 - Bill Haley, Jr. - Highland Park, MI - d. 2-9-2981
rocker: "Camel Rock and Roll Party"; "Stars for Defense"
08-30-1908 - Willie Bryant - New Orleans, LA - d. 2-9-1964
host: "Night Life"
11-23-1915 - Natalie Park Masters - San Francisco, CA - d. 2-9-1986
actress: Candy Matson "Candy Matson
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:27:01 -0500
From: "Hand R J (HLaSS)" <rhand@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Arch Oboler's The Dark
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Dear List,
The Dark was indeed a full-length script and although no full recording exists
the full script does at the Library of Amercian Broadcasting. The version in
circulation is, I believe, cropped out from the album Drop Dead.
I include an analysis of the full play (and its famous sound effects) in my
forthcoming book on Horror Radio which will be released in 2006. The book also
includes a substantial chapter on Oboler.
To answer another question: I have found that in researching and writing about
Oboler that there is a fair amount about it in contemporary journalism and
radio writing of the 1930-40s but after that his star has gradually and
unjustifiably faded. I can also recommend the wonderful Martin Grams Jr - a
good friend to this list - who is a font of knowledge on the great Mr O and
has been invaluable in getting my book into decent shape.
Best wishes,
Richard J. Hand

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:27:33 -0500
From: "Don Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Andy Griffith
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   Reading the post by Michael Leannah concerning relationships between
   OTR and some TV series, reminds me of the story that is told in the
   Don Knotts A&E Biography. Knotts has a small part in the Griffith
   play, "No Time For Sargents." At rehearsal, Griffith comes over and
   asks Don "Aren't you Windy Wales?" The part he had on Bobby Benson.
   That began their friendship. So Griffith knew and was a radio fan.

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 16:28:23 -0500
From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Oldest continuous radio broadcast?

The Jan/Feb 2005 issue of "Chattanooga Airwaves", the publication of
the Chattanooga OTR Club, has an interesting article setting forth the
claims of a local church there as airing "the oldest continuous radio
broadcast in America."

The First Presbyterian Church of Chattanooga began broadcasting its
radio show on January 16, 1926 and it has been broadcasting weekly ever
since. It first aired over WDOD from a studio on McCallie Avenue in
downtown Chattanooga. Over the years the broadcasting facilities have
moved several times, including a stay at the Hotel Patton which had
wires strung to the sanctuary of the church. Church authorities today
acknowledge that another church in Atlanta claims to have been
broadcasting longer, but verification on this is still pending.

At any rate, this Chattanooga church expects to remain on the air
weekly with their program, so that next year in January 2006 they will
have been broadcasting for 80 years.

Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:04:34 -0500
From: Christopher Werner <werner1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Karl Haas

What can I say? A very great man, who was always a joy to listen to, has
passed away. From my childhood on I delighted to hear the strains of
Beethoven's Apassionata Piano Sonata which signaled the broadcast of
wonderful classical music. What was significant about his program was that
he always had a message or point to the program. Others played classical
music, as disk jockeys, Karl taught with classical music. Where Mr. Rogers
gently taught a child how to cope with growing up, Karl Haas gently
introduced the listening audience to the many facets of 'classical' music.
He taught by example, often using the piano to illustrate various thematic
elements. He tried to make learning about music exciting. The only other
'famous' person who came close was Leonard Bernstein and his Young People's
Concerts (which are available on VHS and DVD).

Many years ago I tried to launch an anthology program on Early American
(pre-WW2) music at the local NPR station with a similar educational format.
It was not accepted. I wonder how Karl first convinced someone that there
was an audience for classical music? (at the time the Kay Kaiser and Basin
Street programs were doing the same for swing - perhaps it made it easier
for him).

My father passed away in the same hospital - it is the best one in town.
Makes one wonder if the Apassionata Sonata was played at his funeral.

He began with: "Hello, and how do you do" and ended with "Until next time,
I wish you good listening" (I think???) His voice seemed to portray the
somber but mischievous tone of Alfred Hitchcock's - low and gravelly, but
teddy bear warm.
We will remember him for all he taught us along the way.

Thanks Karl.

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:05:02 -0500
From: Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  RIP, George Herman, CBS News

I just heard on the 5pm EST (Tuesday 8 February 2005) CBS Radio hourly
newscast (anchored by Bill Whitney), that longtime CBS Newsman George
Herman passed away at the age of 85, from a longtime battle with heart
trouble.

I remember George Herman hosting "Face the Nation" on CBS Radio and TV
during the 1970s, and anchoring several Sunday afternoon CBS Radio
hourly newscasts (from Washington DC, not New York) back then as well.

Some early and mid-1950s CBS Radio (Hollywood) Dramas will close out
with "Stay tuned for five minutes of CBS News with George Herman, on the
[removed] Radio Network". I remember one particular CBS Radio drama closed
out with an announcement that following was George Herman introducing a
presidential address by President Eisenhower, from CBS News on CBS Radio.

I think that the report this afternoon mentioned that Herman retired
from CBS News in 1987, which would have made him about 67 at the time.

Mark J. Cuccia
mcuccia@[removed]
New Orleans LA

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:07:53 -0500
From: David Loftus <dloft59@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Robin Morgan on "I Remember Mama"

Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; mentioned:

Birthday almancker Ron Sayles &  I have been having a spirited
discussion off-list about the programme "I Remember Mama."
It all started about a week ago when Prof. Sayles posted
the birthday of child actor/political activist Robin Morgan. I
wrote Ron telling him he neglected to include Ms. Morgan's
most famous radio role of little Dagmar on "I Remember
Mama."

Is this the Robin Morgan who was a feminist activist, famed
for the remark "Pornography is the theory; rape is the practice"?

If so, I'm astounded. I've read several of her books over the
years -- poetry, essays, and the anthology/mini-encyclopedia
_Sisterhood is Global_ -- as well as obtained autographs way
back in college in the late 1970s, and I'd never heard mention
of this before.

David Loftus
Portland, Oregon

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:09:55 -0500
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Casebook of Gregory Hood

Can anyone help.  Email him off line.  Jay

Jack French has suggested you as a "court of last resort" in my search for
informa- tion about "The Casebook of Gregory Hood", which seems to have
launched
on June 3, 1946, as a summer replacement for the Basil Rathbone/Nigel Bruce
"The New Adventures of Sherlock Holmes" after Rathbone abandoned the series .
 .. Denis Green and Anthony Boucher wrote both series, and Harry Bartell
carried over as announcer . . . and then "Gregory Hood" is reported to have
continued on Mutual while a revival of "The New Adventures of Sherlock
Holmes" with
Nigel Bruce and Tom Conway resumed on ABC in the 1947-48 season.

Is there a program log for "The Casebook of Gregory Hood"?  It seems to have
continued sporadically until 1950 or 1951, with various actors following Gale
Gordon in the title role.  I'd appreciate any information you might be able to
give me, on program titles and dates, and who played the title role.

     Many thanks for your assistance,

--
Peter E. Blau
<blau7103@[removed];

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:10:21 -0500
From: "Karl Schadow" <bluecar91@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Mystery Hall, Austin Welles

Thanks to Jack French for sending me copies of the script title pages for
Mystery Hall and Austin Welles episodes ca. 1940. These scripts were written
by H. Colin Rice (Herb Rice, creator of Bobby Benson programs) and were
drafted on stationery from Radio Writers Laboratory, a script library in
Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Does anyone have information on this firm, or
scripts from this particular library?

Karl Schadow

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:11:22 -0500
From: Doug Berryhill <fibbermac@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  This question's a [removed]

A researcher for a future publication has asked me for
some assistance and I'm afraid the question is out of
my league.

Can anybody on this list identify a show episode with
a plotline that goes like this: "A man hangs himself
in jail, the day before he's to be set free!"?

In all likelihood, it was broadcast in the first half
of 1945 and it was (obviously) from the mystery,
suspense, or detective genres.

We're looking for the name of the series and the
airdate and title of the episode, if possible.

"The Amazing Mr. Malone" was the researcher's guess.
Since the Mr. Malone series didn't begin until 1947, I
think that this is wrong, but without knowing what
exactly it was, I can't be sure.

Any help in this matter will be greatly appreciated.
(And a correct answer will be rewarded with the name
of the book you've helped to write!)

-FIBBERMAC-

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:11:54 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Stroud Twins on radio

>From BoboBohl8@[removed]

Mr. Grams,

I am trying to find information about my grandfather.  He died before I was
born and I have been unable to find much information about him.  He was born
Hosea Paul Stroud and I believe he is the brother of the Stroud twins.  I
believe he was born in St. Louis but records were burned in a fire.  He and
my grandmother changed their names sometime around 1950.  She was Alvina
Berthoff Stroud when she married but their names were changed to Steve
Orville Connors and Patricia Marie Connors.  I believe the parents or at
least the mother of the Strouds I spead of lived in Texas at some point.
Any information would be relished.
Tricia Connors Bohl

Can anyone help Tricia?

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:12:12 -0500
From: "Don Frey" <alanladdsr@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Cloak and Dagger

Anyone out there a fan, like me, of the 1950 series "Cloak and Dagger?"
I recently completed the series of 22 programs. The stories were not
particulary
outstanding, I suppose the production values were only average, but I liked
it most because of the cast. My all time favorites in one 30m episode:
Joseph Julian, Ralph
Bell, Chuck Webster! As far as East Coast folks are concerned. Just a
thought.

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:48:36 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cincy Con

Stephen asked:

Hey, with the Cincy Con coming up, might there be a few Cincinnati natives
who could suggest additional nearby cool things to see or do?  I always feel
a bit trapped at the hotel, and the whole area seems to close down about 9
pm!  I know there must be some neat spots around, right?  Not that I intend
to go clubbing until 3 am, just wondered what else is
interesting/strange/stupid/unforgettable/ridiculous/groovy in [removed]

There's an Applebees right down the road from the convention.  Travis,
Rodney and Michelle and I went there last year and it was open real late.
Course, a group of us hung out in the lobby one or two evenings to socialize
and catch up on who's working what 9-5, who's getting married, etc.  You can
catch up with any of us if you want to . . .  The liquor never runs out
during the social gatherings.
Martin

[ADMINISTRIVIA: There is also a Famous Dave's within walking distance of the
hotel. It's situated right above the Hooter's.  --cfs3]

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Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 20:49:23 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  I Remember Mama

If I'm not too late catching up to the back issues of the Digest . . .
I REMEMBER MAMA was dramatized on THE CAVALCADE OF AMERICA.

Episode #606  "CITIZEN MAMA"  Broadcast April 4, 1949.
Starring Irene Dunne as Mama, Carl Frank as Papa, Don Hastings as Nels,
Arnold Robertson as Uncle Chris, House Jameson as the Examiner, Rosemary
Rice as Katrin, Iris Mann as Dagmar, Alice Yourman as Aunt Jenny and Bob
Dryden as the clerk.
Produced and directed by Jack Zoller.
Bill Hamilton was the commercial spokesman.
Ted Pearson was the announcer.
Based on the 1943 novel "MAMA'S BANK ACCOUNT" by Kathryn Forbes, and adapted
for CAVALCADE by Frank Gabrielson.
Story: Told through the eyes of Katrin, a Norwegian family's tribulations,
trials and triumphs are dramatized as they immigrated to America.  Mama is
the heartwarming core of the story as she is the central character, mother
and inspiration to all.

This CAVALCADE broadcast was adapted from the Forbes novel that the 1948 RKO
movie I REMEMBER MAMA and the television series of the same name was based
on.  This program originated from Buffalo, NY, celebrating the 25th
anniversary of cellophane.  (DuPont, the sponsor of CAVALCADE, had to have a
product tie-in with the broadcast).  Irene Dunne reprised her role as Mama
from the 1948 movie, and Rosemary Rice played the role of Katrin (which she
did for the television series) and Iris Mann was Dagmar for the first three
seasons of the television series.

Information reprinted from THE HISTORY OF THE CAVALCADE OF AMERICA,
published 1999, Morris Publishing, and was the subject of Walden Hughes'
recent radio broadcast.
Martin

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