Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #246
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 7/30/2001 7:10 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2001 : Issue 246
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  re Lovejoy/McGraw                     [ John Henley <jhenley@[removed] ]
  Re: Shadow Portrayals                 [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
  Mary Livingstone                      [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
  Re: 1942 Radio Listings               [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  JIMMIE DURANTE & MRS. CALABASH        [ "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
  World War II document                 [ "Welsa" <welsa@[removed]; ]
  Carl Froelich, Jr.                    [ jhcollins@[removed] ]
  Modern books with OTR actors          [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
  RE:Frank Lovejoy's voice              [ "Dick Lochte" <dlock@[removed]; ]
  What's a Vox Pop Show???              [ Donna Halper <dlh@[removed]; ]
  WABC/WCBS                             [ William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed]; ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed]; ]
  Frank Lovejoy sound-alike?            [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
  Radio Mentions In Other Media         [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Re: WABC NY                           [ OTRChris@[removed] ]
  WKRP in San Francisco                 [ JJJ445@[removed] ]
  Journey Into Space                    [ "Phil Watson" <philwats@[removed]; ]
  Does THE SHADOW Stink?                [ "stephen jansen" <stephenjansen@ema ]
  Who named Mary Livingstone?           [ Bob Noble <bobnoble@[removed]; ]
  Re: Ian & Stags                       [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Dennis Day on "Bambi" ?               [ "Mike Antonucci" <[removed]@sn ]

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 10:53:12 -0400
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  re Lovejoy/McGraw

>From Jer51473@[removed]:
Frank Lovejoys voice is identical, imo, to
another actor that i have heard on the radio and seen in movies. I think the
other guy is Charles Mcgraw. I cannot tell one voice from the other.
Question- are they related? they have to be. (i hope charles mcgraw is who im
thinking of)

This seems unlikely, as the Charles McGraw with whom I'm
familiar - from movies like The Narrow Corner, the granite-
chin actor who alternated playing gruff hoods and gruffer cops -
has a raspy voice with a deep timbre, whereas Lovejoy has a
much smoother voice with a somewhat higher timbre.

John Henley
jhenley@[removed]
ph  (512) 495-4112
fax (512) 495-4296

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:17:31 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Shadow Portrayals

In a message dated 7/30/01 10:17:51 AM, Kenneth L Clarke writes:

<< Bottom line: If anyone should have a listing of the actors
who portrayed Lamont Cranston in "The Shadow" and the
years they were in the role, I'd appreciate it.
The ones I already know are: Orson Welles, Bill Johnstone,
Frank Readick, Bret Morrison, and (I think) someone named
James La Curto.   Were there any others?>>

Actually, James La Curto and Frank Readick portrayed The Shadow during his
days as a sinister radio narrator (the broadcasting ancestor of The Whistler,
The Mysterious Traveler, INNER SANCTUM's Raymond and SUSPENSE's Man in Black.
 La Curto and Readick never portrayed Lamont Cranston, though recordings of
Readick's laugh and opening and closing signatures were used throughout the
Orson Welles run.

The following actors portrayed Lamont Cranston on American radio: Orson
Welles (1937-38), Kenny Delmar (in a single lost 1938 Goodrich summer
episode), Bill Johnstone (1938-43), John Archer (1944-45), Steve Courtleigh
(in the first half-dozen episodes of the 1945-46 season) and Bret Morrison
(1943-44 and 1945-54).  Additionally, Berry Kroeger filled in for a few weeks
in the early 1950s when Bret Morrison went on a vacation. --ANTHONY TOLLIN

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:17:29 -0400
From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Mary Livingstone

Lee asks why Livingstone ends with a silent e, since the audience would
not know the spelling.

Mary's real name was Sadie Marks.  (She was distantly related to the Marx
brothers, and she met Jack at a Marx family party).

My guess as to the spelling:  Since she had a reputation for being a bit
stuffy, I'll bet she added the "e" to Livingston herself, to distance
herself from the "common" Livingstons.

---Dan

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 12:17:27 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: 1942 Radio Listings

Sean Dougherty wrote:

Does anyone know why Vic and Sade would be repeated day-after-day on
competing networks?

During the late thirties and early forties, it wasn't uncommon for
programs to be heard over more than one network, especially
inexpensive-to-produce daytime shows. In the case of V&S, it was simply a
matter of Procter and Gamble wanting to reach a larger audience -- so in
addition to the NBC slot, time was also purchased on CBS.  There were
also cases of sponsors putting their shows on NBC or CBS and also Mutual
-- in which case the Mutual broadcast would usually be from a recording,
since that network never had any prohibition on recorded programming.

Furthermore, does anyone know why WABC was the CBS Affiliate in New York in
1942?  880 is currently CBS' all news station in that market - what's the
history behind the switch?

The WABC of 1942 isn't the WABC of today -- the original WABC was
originally owned by A. H. Grebe's Atlantic Broadcasting Company, and was
sold to CBS in 1929 to give the network a permanent New York flagship.
(Prior to this, Columbia had owned no flagship station at all, and
alternated purchases of time over WABC and WOR in order to give its
programming a New York outlet. The inaugural Columbia broadcast in 1927
had in fact originated at WOR's 1440 Broadway studio, and the network's
first master control room was an ad-hoc setup hastily constructed in the
WOR mens' room.) Originally, WABC was at 860 kc, but moved to 880 in
March of 1941 under the frequency reallocation mandated by the Treaty of
Havana.

There *was* a WCBS on the air during these years -- it had gone on the
air in the 1920s in Springfield, Illinois, and the call letters were
sequentially assigned and didn't stand for anything. In the summer of
1946, the station changed its call letters to WCVS, and CBS grabbed up
the old WCBS letters for itself. WABC officially became WCBS on 11/1/46,
still operating at 880.

Today's WABC has no connection whatsoever to the pre-1947 WABC. It'a
descended from the old WJZ, and adopted the abandoned WABC call letters
in 1953. The original WJZ calls were reclaimed by Westinghouse, their
original owner, and applied to a TV station in Baltimore, where they
remain in use today.

Elizabeth

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:10:37 -0400
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  JIMMIE DURANTE & MRS. CALABASH

The Paul Harvey story about Jimmie & Mrs. Calabash was the closest to the
truth - but - here is what Jimmie said in responce to the same question:
He had an appointment for an interview with a Broadway Producer for an
interview, and was flat broke.  So he humbly asked his Landlady, Mrs.
Calabash if she would loan him the fare to get to the producer's office.
She did, he got the job, that launched his career, paid her back and told
her he would be eternally grateful for that act of kindness.  So he decided
to use a "thank-you" Signature sign-off that only she & Jimmie would know
the real meaning (Similar to Carol Burnett tugging her ear lobe at the end
of each program to let her grandma know all was OK).

Owens Pomeroy




"Old-Time Radio is like vintage wine. . . it grows better with age!"
"nostalgia is like a grammar lesson:. . . you find the PRESENT TENSE. . .
but the PAST PERFECT!"

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:10:35 -0400
From: "Welsa" <welsa@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  World War II document

During WWII, the Chief of the Radio Branch for SHAEF was Colonel Edward M.
Kirby.  In 1964, at the request of the Broadcast Pioneers History Project
and the Hollywood Communications Museum, then retired Col. Kirby wrote a
paper entiteld REFERENCES AND RECOLLECTIONS OF HISTORIC HIGHLIGHTS, AMERICAN
BROADCASTING IN WORLD WAR II.

Needless to say, it is a fascinating read for anyone interested in this era.

For quite some time I have had a copy of this paper.  In the past week or
so, I finally got around to doing something I have wanted to do for a long
time--scanning it.

I now have it all done. If any of you have ever OCR scanned a document, you
know how it often doesn't come out exactly as the original.  Editing it can
be a nightmare, especially when the original document like this is almost 50
pages long!

I would be happy to e-mail this document to anyone who wants it.  Here are
the details of it:

--I used .rtf format so it should be compatible with most IBM and MAC
computers.

--File size is 122kb.

--If you go to print it, it will be somewhere around 45 pages.

--It is text only.  No graphics, no fancy fonts, etc.  Just as the original
document was.

Ted Meland
Madison, Wisconsin

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:19:12 -0400
From: jhcollins@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Carl Froelich, Jr.

Does anybody know what happened to Carl Froelich, [removed] I've been buying OTR
cassettes from him for years, and had gotten used to receiving a new
"tape-f-the-month" list from him three times a year.  Even though I was a
faithful and consistent buyer, these lists stopped coming about a year ago.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 13:57:13 -0400
From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Modern books with OTR actors

Hello all.  Well, the favorite hero/detective has been discussed already on
the digest and I thought it was getting a little old, so allow me to throw
out another subject I sometimes think about.  I will just briefly mention
that my personal favorite Lamont Cranston is Bill Johnstone, but I like the
Shadow openings of the Welles era better.  I also like the Welles era
scripts more, and I thought the later 1940's Shadow was too basic and could
have almost been considered a kid show in comparison to the magazine and
late '30's.

Anyway, do you ever read a book and find yourself associating the voice of
a certain actor with a character in the book?  Specifically, I am thinking
of modern books, long after most OTR actors were alive.  However, since I
dislike most modern radio actors and have no knowledge of current TV and
movie stars, I usually think of characters in such modern books in terms of
OTR talent.  A good example is the Harry Potter series.  I think it would
be perfect for radio and hope that happens one of these days.  I have not
read anything about the BBC doing that though.  For example, I think Eliott
Lewis would make a perfect Professor Snape.  I think Paul Frees could do a
great job as well because of his voice changes.  He would probably be a
good Tom Riddle.  (If you are confused, read the second book.)

Have you read any other books, modern or otherwise, that you think would
work well on radio?  What characters do you associate with OTR actors'
voices?  I am really interested in what people come up with on this, and
sorry in advance if this is too off-topic.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:30:12 -0400
From: "Dick Lochte" <dlock@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  RE:Frank Lovejoy's voice

Michael C. Gwynne wrote:

I can think of no more antithetical and diametrically opposite vocal
qualities that Frank Lovejoy and Charles McGraw!
It would be like comparing the reedy sound of an oboe to the growl
baritone saxophone!
 
I agree. I don't know of anybody in OTR that sounds like Lovejoy, but
there are times when Regis Philbin's voice makes me think of "Copy boy!"

Dick Lochte

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 14:52:35 -0400
From: Donna Halper <dlh@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  What's a Vox Pop Show???

I was reading in Dunning about the network version of the so-called Vox Pop
shows of the 1930s, which seemed to be part quiz and part "people say the
darnedest things when you stick a microphone in their face."  But I also
have an article from the October 6, 1940 Boston Globe about Yankee Network
sportscaster and announcer Jerry O'Leary, who according to the article had
been doing a "vox popper" for the past 4 years, during which, it was said,
he had interviewed over 15,000 people, from every walk of life.  The
Dunning account made the show sound much more like comedy and quiz, while
the Globe story sounded more like interviews with the man or woman on the
street-- I wonder if they were asked to comment on current events, or if
the subject matter was always light and potentially amusing.

We seem to talk a lot on this list about the network shows, but evidently
there were some popular local performers who took the network concepts and
developed their own local versions.  Do any of you know of such "vox pop"
shows during radio's golden age? And if you do, did they follow the
comedy/quiz mode of Johnson and Belcher (later Johnson and Butterworth) or
the more serious comments and interviews from real people mode of Jerry
O'Leary?

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:41:30 -0400
From: William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  WABC/WCBS

Sean Dougherty  questioned about WABC and WCBS. First of all,WABC was not
an affiliate, but it was owned and operated by CBS. When William Paley
bought an existing network to form CBS their local station was WABC,
which was included in the deal. The Columbia name came from Columbia
Records who made a heavy investmant in the deal. Somewhere along the line
Columbia Records dropped out. In later years the New York O&O changed
it's call letters to WCBS. Also the San Francisco O&O changed to KCBS.
Columbia records came back into the CBS fold. The Blue network, and WJZ
were bought by [removed] Noble, the Life Saver king, and renamed the American
Broadcasting Company. Thus WJZ became WABC. WEAF became WNBC.   As WJZ
played an important part in the early days of broadcasting in the mid
twenties, it was a shame that the historic call letters were lost in the
shuffle.

Bill Murtough

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:41:32 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

  From the AP --

In 1937, the American Federation of Radio Artists was organized. It later
became AFTRA, the American Federation of Television and Radio Artists, under
the AFL-CIO.

  Joe

--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:41:37 -0400
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Frank Lovejoy sound-alike?

On Sun, 29 Jul 2001 Jer51473@[removed] posted:

...Frank Lovejoys voice is identical, imo, to another actor that i >have
heard on the radio and seen in movies. I think the other guy is >Charles
Mcgraw. I cannot tell one voice from the other.

This is probably not who you are thinking of, but to my ear, if you take
Frank Lovejoy's voice and William Conrad's voice and put them in a kitchen
blender (were that possible), out would come Wally Mayer's voice!

Anyone agree?

Barbara

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 15:41:57 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Radio Mentions In Other Media

Randy Collins, notes, among other OTR references in cartoons of the era,

Also, another MGM 'toon called "Who Murdered Who" (I believe that's
right) features a skeleton coming out of the closet, followed by a
skeleton colored red who announces his name as "Red skeleton"--ha ha--in
a voice I believe is Red Skelton's.

That "Red Sketelon" crack appeared in at least one Three Stooges short
subject.  And since red Slelton had television shows after the OTR days,
I suspect that the gag worked for more generations than some of the other
media-crossover jokes.

Also, in a Little Orphan Annie newspaper strip in the late 1930s or early
1940s, at one point, Punjab and The Asp caused one of Daddy Warbucks'
adversaries to disappear forever, and Warbucks questioned them about the
person's demise.  The Asp and Punjab answered evasively and ambiguously.
When they were alone, one said to the other, "We've been baaaad boys."
This, of course, was a not to Lou Costello's OTR line of the time, "I'm a
baaaad boy!"

Somebody reading that strip today (and it's in a hardbound collection of
Little Orphan Annie daily strips, so that isn't as farfetched as it might
sound) would be at least somewhat confused.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:42:10 -0400
From: OTRChris@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:  WABC  NY

"Does anyone know why WABC was the CBS Affiliate in New York in
1942?  880 is currently CBS' all news station in that market - what's the
history behind the switch?"

It actually quite simple. NBC was originally two networks as you know (the
red and the blue) . The Red Network was WEAF and the Blue WJZ. When NBC sold
the Blue network it became ABC. This left the CBS NY station (which was WABC)
in the embarrasing position of having the call letters of a competing
network.
Around 1946 WABC 880 changed its call letters to WCBS 880. At the same time
WEAF changed its call letters to WNBC 660.
Later WJZ 770 would change its call letters to WABC  770. You will probably
receive a more deffinitive answer. But this is the basics.

<<Does anyone know why Vic and Sade would be repeated day-after-day on
competing networks?>>

Believe it or not this was done quite often . Look on that schedule again you
may find that the same thing was occuring with Ma Perkins (However, that may
have been a little later. I know it was the case with MP in 1943). The
sponsors owned the shows and bought the time from the networks so apparently
they felt it was a justified expense to buy time on two competing networks.
And apparently they had enough clout to keep one of the networks from
demanding an exclusive arrangement.
I am not always sure how those contracts worked anyhow.

I have always wondered if in a case like this if the serial was done at a
makeshift studio at the ad agency or if the cast needed to go to  both CBS
and NBC
studios that day to do the program?



-Chris

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 17:42:09 -0400
From: JJJ445@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  WKRP in San Francisco

I think the confusion behind people thinking the "real" WKRP was in San
Francisco was because one of the show's principal actors, Howard Hesseman,
was originally a disc jockey there before moving on to Hollywood. He predates
my arrival at KMPX by a couple of years and was gone by the time of my
arrival.

John Jensen
Federal Way, WA

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:52:07 -0400
From: "Phil Watson" <philwats@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Journey Into Space

Cut and pasted from Frank Passage's log of JIS (thanks for all the logs,
Frank. I never did find any more on the 1977 Ben Wright Sherlock Holmes
series)

JOURNEY INTO SPACE was the brainchild of BBC producer Charles Chilton, who
had enjoyed much success with his Western serial, RIDERS OF THE RANGE and
would later produce the final episodes of THE GOON SHOW.  Fuelled by his own
interest in astronomy and science, together with the rising public interest
in the genesis of the Space Race, he began to work on a six part SF story in
1953 at the request of the BBC.  Due to the unexpected and overwhelming
audience response, this six week run was soon extended to a full 18.

The first series, simply entitled JOURNEY INTO SPACE, began on Sept. 21,
1953, broadcast on THE LIGHT PROGRAMME.  It also enjoyed a weekly repeat and
transmission on the General Overseas Service.  The cast included Andrew
Faults as Jet Morgan, David Kossoff as Lemmy Barnet, Guy Kingsley Poynter as
Doc Mathews and Bruce Beeby as Stephen Mitchell.  After the initial run of 6
episodes, Beeby was replaced by Don Sharp.  Filling out the cast was BBC
announcer, David Jacobs. He played a variety of background parts and who
would later provide the voices of nearly everyone other than the main cast
in subsequent series.

The second series, THE RED PLANET, started on its 20 week run a year later
on Sept. 6, 1954 and showed Chilton's writing at its best. Beebly returned
as Mitchell, although this was his last appearance in the series.  THE RED
PLANET was an unqualified triumph, telling of man's first attempt at
planatary colonization.  It finished on a rather downbeat cliffhanger ending
that dovetailed seamlessly with its sequel.  To many, series 2 and 3 can be
seen as one long 40 part story, so faithful is the continuity and plot
structure.

THE WORLD IN PERIL began on Sept. 26, 1955 and was to be the final radio
journey for Morgan and his crew, at least for the 1950's.  Once again, the
portrayal of Mitchell changed hands, reverting back to Don Sharp, who would
later find renown for his film directing.  Kossoff too was absent, having
left to pursue his stage career.  He suggested actor Alfie Bass as his
replacement, the substitution being invisible to the listening audience.
(Invisible ? On Radio ? Indistinguishable !- Phil)

After completion of the trilogy, it was realized that the quality of the
origional recordings of the first series was inadequate for repeat
broadcasts or overseas sales.  To this end, a new version was mounted, this
time a 13 episode serial, which began on March 26, 1958.  This new
production was christened OPERATION LUNA, omitting several plot strands,
most notably those concerning Jet's father, Sir William Morgan.  The WORLD
IN PERIL cast were reunited, with the exception of Don Sharp, who was
replaced by David Williams.  This became the Transcription version.

The effect that JOURNEY INTO SPACE had on the British public cannot be
overstated.  It was the last evening radio program to achieve higher
audience figures than the BBC's TV service.  Chilton wrote 3 best-selling
novels, expanding upon themes from the radio shows. There was even a comic
strip in the Express Weekly newspaper, with new stories suggested by
Chilton.

Sadly, all four series were destroyed in the purge of the BBC archive.  The
Transcription disks for OPERATION LUNA, THE RED PLANET and WORLD IN PERIL
surfaced in the late 80's, having been reserved for overseas broadcast in
1957.  After this discovery, the BBC repeated the trilogy on Radio 2 between
1989 and 1991.  This was followed by edited cassette releases, with minor
scenes and credits/recaps removed.

On March 7, 1981, Radio 4 produced a Chiltor-scripted 90-minute special,
entitled THE RETURN FROM MARS, picking up the story from the end of THE
WORLD IN PERIL.  It is currently under consideration for cassette release by
BBC Worlswode.

Chilton went on to create SPACE FORCE in 1984 and SPACE FORCE II in 1985,
both of which are similar to JOURNEY INTO SPACE in many respects.

***********

To add a little information to Frank's log, Andrew Faulds became a Member Of
Parliament and died a couple of years ago. Alfie Bass became one of our top
TV comedy actors and died 10-15 years ago. David Kossoff, latterly heavily
involved in religious broadcasting, was the father of rock guitarist Paul
from the group Free who died of a drug overdose. David never got over his
son's death and is either in retirement, or may be deceased.  The "other
parts by" actor David Jacobs is still one of the Beeb's older disc-jockeys,
playing easy-listening music, a dj for around 50 years. I don't know much
about Beeby, Poynter and the rest.

Regards to all
Phil.

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 18:56:34 -0400
From: "stephen jansen" <stephenjansen@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Does THE SHADOW Stink?

     Please forgive me.  I KNOW that "The Shadow" is supposed to be
representative of all that is great about OTR - the first show that most
people think about when they picture radio mystery (if not ALL radio
drama) - but have I just been missing the good episodes?
     I've listened to scores of Shadow episodes over the last 10 years, and
have yet to find one that impresses me.  I can't even recall the events in
any single show, because none of them seem to stand out as being different
from any others.  It had to be a good show, running from 1930 to 1954.  I
realize that occasionally the mentality of the times must be considered, but
24 years is quite a slice of times.  I must just somehow be accidentally
skipping the suspenseful, adventurous, memorable episodes.
     Please SET ME STRAIGHT.  Could some of you big Shadow fans list a few
of the great Shadow episodes for me?  I hate to be left in the dark (no
shadows in the dark, you know).
     Thank you all.
                                           Stephen Jansen

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:10:21 -0400
From: Bob Noble <bobnoble@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Who named Mary Livingstone?

Lee Munsick (leemunsick@[removed]) asks what Mary Livingstone's real
name was. It was Sadye Marks (yes, with a 'y' and not an 'i'), and
according to an old "Rest of the Story" show I heard a while ago, Benny
was touring with the Marks brothers, and was especially friendly with
Zeppo Marx. They were out of town and Zeppo knew this family named Marks
(note it's spelled differently and they are not related) and had been
invited to a Satyr dinner there. He told Benny Kubelsky that the
family's beautiful daughter was a big fan of his. When they got there,
Benny discovered the daughter was all of 12 years old, but she was still
a fan. They wed when she was about six months shy of her 18th birthday,
and he was nearly 33, and remained married for nearly 48 years.

One source lists Mary Livingstone (Sadye Marks) as living 6/23/1905 to
6/30/83. Another source I have said she was born 6/23/1909. (I tend to
trust the latter). Married Kubelsky 1/24/27, and they were about a month
shy of being married for 48 years when he died 12/26/74.

That's about all I can recall at this point. I don't know who "named"
her, or even why they alleged she was "discovered" at the May Co. Just
creative writing, I guess.

-----------------

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:10:19 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:  Ian & Stags

Roby McHone wrote:

"Speaking of [removed] Stone and Ian Grieve crack me up, they should be
on
the stag together (maybe with Don Rickles)."

To that, Ian [removed]

This one I am not so sure of, being 'on the stag' together with Hal Stone,
is this some sort of American custom? I've been to Stag parties and I have
seen pictures of stags, <SNIP>

And I've seen pictures of Ian in Stag's. Not a pretty sight, let me tell
you.

Nuff' [removed] I'm still [removed] That poor kangeroo!

Hal(Harlan)Stone

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Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 21:10:17 -0400
From: "Mike Antonucci" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Dennis Day on "Bambi"  ?

I've got a question which may not be OTR but concerns Dennis Day. My 13 year
old daughter, who is a big fan of Jack Benny was playing a video tape of
Disney's "Bambi" recently and asked if that was Dennis Day singing the
theme. I couldn't find any info on Internet Movie Database (a great site for
lots of info), but it sure did sound like Dennis. Any old movie fans know if
it was? Thanks, Mike

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