Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #377
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Date: 11/26/2004 8:40 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2004 : Issue 377
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: Movie Voiceovers                  [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
  Re: Don LaFontaine                    [ Steve Salaba <philmfan@[removed] ]
  The Golden Age of Television          [ "Albert" <alkb2ng@[removed]; ]
  Charlie Summers                       [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Re: Golden Age of Television          [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Black Friday sales                    [ Garpboy@[removed] ]
  Re: network radio in the late '50s/e  [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
  black entertainers                    [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
  11-26 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Re: Film trailer voiceovers           [ Anthony Tollin <sanctumotr@earthlin ]
  Johnny McGovern                       [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
  Re: Golden Age II                     [ "Michael J. Hayde" <michaelhayde@ea ]
  Jack Albertson                        [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:46:22 -0500
From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Movie Voiceovers

Of a more recent vintage, Nick Tate, has been one of the main voiceover
talents for movie trailers, for years now.

A star in his native Australia, Tate moved to England around 1973, where
he played Alan Carter, in Gerry and Sylvia Anderson's SPACE: 1999.

At some point, Tate moved to LA, where the trailer work ensued. (He was
also a regular on that DOLPHIN COVE--is that the right title?--TV
series, a while back, and guested on an episode of STAR TREK THE NEXT
GENERATION, as well as other shows.

A couple of years back, Tate moved back to Australia--

But, at this point, might be back in the states!

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:47:55 -0500
From: Steve Salaba <philmfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Don LaFontaine

Much thanks to Bhob <bhob2@[removed]; for the links, especially the
audio clips. I guess there are more voice overs in movie trailers these
days than I thought!

Thanks to "Gary Dixon" <argy@[removed]; for the info on Dick Tuffeld and Art
Gilmore as well.

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:47:44 -0500
From: "Albert" <alkb2ng@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The Golden Age of Television
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I certainly would cast my vote with those who consider that the Golden Age of
television ended at the close of the 1950's.

Does anyone know of a newsletter similar to this one that is devoted to the
early days of television - say from 1946 through 1960?

Regards,
Albert J. Kopec

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[ADMINISTRIVIA: The only one I'm aware of is the sporatically-active
Kinescope; see [removed] for
information.  --cfs3]

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:08:02 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Charlie Summers

On this day, Thanksgiving Day, it is a time to reflect on all of the blessings
that we have to be thankful for. For the purposes of this list, and as Charlie
always exhorts, to stay on subject, there are four blessings that everyone on
this list should be especially grateful for.  First there is Olde Tyme Radio.
Without otr our existence would indeed be bleak. Second there is the computer
which leads me into the third blessing to be thankful for, the [removed]
three blessing just mentioned brings me to the fourth, and probably most
important blessing to be thankful for, CHARLIE SUMMERS! It is Charlie who
brought the previous three blessings together to create this wonderful forum
who all on this list enjoy so much. It is Charlie, who through his efforts,
keeps those thrilling days of yesterday alive. Because of Charlie, life is
just a little more enjoyable.

To show our thanks I think that everyone on this list who is able, sit down
right now and write a check to Charlie so that he can keep this great forum
going. Also, we should all give Charlie our thanks. Thank you Charlie and
happy holidays.
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 10:08:57 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Golden Age of Television

On 11/25/04 6:18 AM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

>From multiple sources I have received multiple answers, extending as far out
as the end of the 1970s or beginning of the 1980s.  One authority suggests
that it ended with the close of the 1950s, "encompassing the time when most
live programming went to tape."  I've seen evidence of other dates in
between those parameters.

It's purely an arbitrary question, really, since there is no august body
handing down official declarations of when golden ages begin and end.
>From a purely artistic point of view, many would argue that the shift in
emphasis from live New York based drama to cheaply-made Hollywood filmed
series marks the end of television's true "golden age." This was an
evolutionary change, but a reasonable defining point might be Warner
Brothers' alliance with ABC-TV in 1957.

Personally, I'd argue that there was more intelligent, well-written,
well-acted drama on television from the late 1980s to mid 1990s than
there was at any previous point. And there are productions of
extraordinary quality being made for cablecasting right this moment. As
the saying goes, the Golden Age is never the Present Age.

Elizabeth

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:06:57 -0500
From: Garpboy@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Black Friday sales
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First question: I archive my otr files to cheap cd-r's that I get for free
(100 for $x with a full rebate, etc.) yet I've not seen many of these offers
over the past 9 months or so. Anybody know shy? gas crunch?  Offers are
sparse on
Black Fridat (Radio Shack, Circuit City)- - and NO free dvd's.

Second question: If I want to begin to archive my OTR files to DVD's, which
format should I pick- - DVD-R or DVD+R? (Who cares about the difference) And
does the quality of the DVD matter? El cheapo brand versus Staples versus
Memorex?  I  have a dual format burner.

Happy Holiday to all!

Gary R

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:36:41 -0500
From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: network radio in the late '50s/early '60s
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In a message dated 11/25/04 5:16:41 AM Central Standard Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:

My friend feels that OTR would had a good chance to survive, if
today technology like satellite would have been around to make it easier for
local station to carry national shows at a lower cost.

Here's what I want to know: in the 1970s, the "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre" was
often carried on non-CBS stations, if the CBS affiliate in the area didn't
want it or if there wasn't a CBS affiliate in the area.  Did the networks
allow
any such schedule "cherry-picking" deals in the late 1950s/early 1960s?  I
have to wonder if that would've helped, too, say a Mutual affiliate in a given
market might've had a format that would've been friendlier to "Gunsmoke" or
"Suspense" than some CBS affiliate that just went all-Top 40 or all-news.

Dixon

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:47:51 -0500
From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  black entertainers

There is a famous story about Frank Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr.  There seem
to be several versions, [removed] when Davis was refused at a hotel Sinatra was
scheduled to perform in, Sinatra cancelled the engagement or threatened the
desk clerk or something of the sort.

I do know that Sinatra was politically quite liberal in his early career.

M Kinsler
512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 43130 740-687-6368
[removed]~mkinsler1

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:48:18 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  11-26 births/deaths

November 26th births

11-26-1907 - Francis Dee - Los Angeles, CA - d. 3-6-2004
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
11-26-1907 - Henry "Hot Lips" Levine - London, England - d. 5-6-1989
trumpeter, conducter: "Chamber Music of Lower Basin Street"; "Strictly from
Dixie"
11-26-1910 - Cyril Cusack - Durban, South Africa - d. 10-7-1993
actor: "Great Expectations"
11-26-1912 - Eric Sevareid - Velva, ND - d. 7-9-1992
correspondent: "Eric Sevaried and the News"; "CBS Radio Workshop"
11-26-1915 - Earl Wild - Pittsburgh, PA
pianist: KDKS Pittsburgh; "NBC Symphony Orchestra"
11-26-1917 - Adele Jergens - Brooklyn, NY - d. 11-22-2002
actress: Carol Curtis "Stand By For Crime"
11-26-1933 - Robert Goulet - Lawrence, MA
singer-actor: "Guard Session"; "Voices of Vista"

November 26th deaths

01-26-1922 - Michael Bentine - Watford, Hertfordshie, England - d. 11-26-1996
comedian: "Goon Show"
02-04-1909 - Robert Coote - London, England - d. 11-26-1982
actor: "Campbell Playhouse"
04-12-1902 - John White - d. 11-26-1992
country/western singer: Lonesome Cowboy "Death Valley Days"
05-23-1910 - Benjamin "Scatman" Crothers - Terre Haute, IN - d. 11-26-1986
jazz musician: early radio into the 40s
10-15-1898 - Ransom Sherman - Appleton, WI - d. 11-26-1985
actor: Uncle Dennis "Fibber McGee and Molly"; Hap Hazard "Hap Hazard"
10-15-1903 - William "Wild Bill" Elliott - Pattonsburg, MO - d. 11-26-1965
actor: Wild Bill Elliott "Wild Bill Elliott"
10-16-1904 - 'Wild Bill' Elliott - Pattonsburg, MO - d. 11-26-1965
actor: "Philco Radio Time"
11-19-1905 - Tommy Dorsey - Shenandoah, PA - d. 11-26-1956
bandleader: "Jack Pearl Program"; "Fame and Fortune"; "Tommy Dorsey Show"

--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 15:48:11 -0500
From: Anthony Tollin <sanctumotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Film trailer voiceovers

on 11/25/04 5:19 AM, [removed]@[removed] at
[removed]@[removed] wrote:

I seem to remember that Dick Tufeld did most of the voiceover work for the
Disney [removed] in the theatres as well as on TV.   Art Gilmore voiced
a lot of trailers for other studios.  Those two voices I recognize from some
of the trailers in my film collection.

Ken Roberts was heard in most of the RealArt re-release trailers for the
Universal horror classics including FRANKENSTEIN, DRACULA, THE WOLFMAN, etc.
--Anthony Tollin

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 17:57:09 -0500
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Johnny McGovern

Hi Everybody,

in Laura last post she was trying to recall Johnny McGovern as the other
Beaver on the Jack Benny show.

Take care,

Walden Hughes

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Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 20:40:20 -0500
From: "Michael J. Hayde" <michaelhayde@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Golden Age II

Jim Cox wrote:

I have a television question that I'm sure some of my OTR buddies can answer
definitively:  What was the end of the golden age in television?

I'm not sure if any writer/critic has ever tried to pin this down to an exact
date, or even year.  My personal opinion is that it ended on September 19,
1961 - the date of the final broadcast of "Playhouse 90."  After that, it
seemed the networks never again attempted to strive for artisitc
[removed] that anything approaching brilliance would henceforth happen in
spite of the "suits," and not by their design.

Should this ever become a generally accepted theory, then it would be
interesting to contemplate how TV's Golden Age didn't even outlive the
official end of the OTR era.

Michael

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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:35:41 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jack Albertson

You will notice on the list of the 11-25 that I have conflicting information
for Jack Albertson:

06-16-1907 - Jack Albertson - Lynn, MA - d. 11-25-1981
actor: Grouch "Grouch Club"; "Milton Berle Show"
06-16-1910 - Jack Albertson - Malden, MA - d. 11-25-1981
actor: "Milton Berle Show"; "Phil Harris/Alice Faye Show"; "Cavalcade of
America"

I found two sources that gave 1910 as his birth year and Lynn as his
birthplace, but the preponderance of sources give 1907 as his birth
date and Malden as his birth place. That is the one that I am going with.
I found this to be a  very common problem in my research, different
birth years. When that happens I always try to verify one of the dates
by finding other sources that agree with one date or the other.

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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