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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2004 : Issue 1
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  1-2 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Jean Shepherd and Paul Rhymer         [ k g-g <grams46@[removed] ]
  duel                                  [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
  The Song "Happy Birthday to You"      [ LSMFTnolonger@[removed] ]
  More on 'Shep' Premiums               [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  hobbit and lord of the rings          [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
  When the Crunch Comes ....            [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Jack Webb Dragnet tv vs. radio        [ "Matthew Bullis" <matthewbullis@run ]
  Another lawyer re: "Happy Birthday"   [ Tilyou1@[removed] ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Weekends with Walden                  [ BryanH362@[removed] ]
  Re: TV Movie "Duel" & Arch Obeler     [ Steve Salaba <philmfan@[removed] ]
  Re: Ovaltine/Horlicks/Lum and Abner   [ "Greg Willy" <gregw@[removed] ]
  1-3 births/deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 16:40:50 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  1-2 births/deaths

Today in history:
1788 - Georgia ratifies the Constitution and becomes the fourth state of the
Union.

January 2nd births

Shogatsu (Japan)

01-02-1904 - Bernardine Flynn - Madison, WI - d. 3-10-1977
actress: Sade Gook "Vic and Sade"; Mathilda Barker "Welcome Valley"
01-02-1904 - James Melton - Moultrie, GA - d. 4-21-1961
singer" "Palmolive Hour"; "Telephone Hour"; "Harvest of Stars"
01-02-1913 - Anna Lee - Ightham, England
actress
01-02-1920 - Isaac Asimov - Petrovich, Russia - d. 4-6-1992
Author: "Martian Chronicles"
01-02-1930 - Julius LaRosa - Brooklyn, NY
singer: "Arthur Godfrey Time"

January 2nd deaths

01-12-1905 - Tex Ritter - Murvaul, TX - d. 1-2-1974
singer: "Lone Star Rangers"
03-08-1918 - Alan Hale, Jr. - Los Angeles, CA - d. 1-2-1990
actor: "Smiths of Hollywood"
10-27-1910 - Jack Carson - Carmen, Manitoba, Canada (R:  Milwaukee, WI) - d.
1-2-1963
comedian: "Jack Carson Show"; "New Sealtest Village Store"
11-14-1904 - Dick Powell - Mountain. View, AR - d. 1-2-1963
actor: Richard Diamond "Richard Diamond, Private Detective"; Richard Rogue
"Rogue"s Gallery"
12-10-1903 - Una Merkel - Covington, KY - d. 1-2-1986
actress: Adeline Fairchild "Great Gildersleeve"; "Johnny Presents"; "Texaxo
Star Theatre"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 17:17:17 -0500
From: k g-g <grams46@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jean Shepherd and Paul Rhymer

i suppose this is otr common knowledge but it is worth repeating:
jean shepherd lifted some of the late great paul rhymer's ideas and used them
in his own writings.

from kathy

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:51:46 -0500
From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  duel

It seems to me, and God knows my memory cannot be especially trusted,
that there was also a short story in Playboy from which Duel was taken.
I can't remember who wrote it, but I can remember reading it with
interest, especially because the film was virtually silent, or rather
almost totally without dialog.  I don't know where to look for this
information, but my 51-year-old memory gives it to me as what I remember
about Duel.  This was back at the time when I read Playboy in braille.
(Before you ask, there were no pictures except the one on the front
cover, which I couldn't see and didn't know was there for a long time.)
Kurt

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 19:53:25 -0500
From: LSMFTnolonger@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Song "Happy Birthday to You"

Two previous letters have debated whether "Happy Birthday to You" is
still protected by copyright.

Whenever I go with my wife, Kim, to a restaurant that is part of a
nationwide chain and a customer has a birthday, the servers sing unknown
birthday songs rather than the traditional "Happy Birthday to You."

If you will go to:

[removed]

you can read why, under current law, the copyright protection of "Happy
Birthday to You" will remain intact until at least the year 2030.

Greg Jackson, Jr.

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 22:00:21 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  More on 'Shep' Premiums

Jim Yellin, speaking of other "Shep" premiums, mentions a Wimpy doll from
the Popeye show, and asks,

Are there any radio premium experts (buffs) out there who know anything
about the Wimpy doll premium Shep talks about. I guess Shep was playing
loose with facts and using "poetic license" because Dunning's ON THE AIR
says the the POPEYE THE SAILOR MAN show was sponsered by Weatena, not
soup.

Tomart's Price lists only three radio premiums: "Wheatena cereal offered
three Popeye character cloisonne pins sometime in the late '20s or early
'30s.  The popular King Features Syndicate characters selected were
Popeye, Olive Oil [sic], and Wimpy.  Each pin was free for one package
top."

Those were the only *radio* premiums involving Popeye.  However, it's
entirely possible that in the same era there might have been character
dolls available in dime stores.  The soup connection, though, seems
strange.

The story mentions quite a few other radio items including an Official
Jack Armstrong Pedometer, a lead Buck Rogers rocketship on a string (it
pokes the Old Man in the eye), a Captain MIdnight Ovaltine Shake-up mug,
a Captain MIdnight Three-Way Mystic Dog Whistle, an Ed Wynn Texaco Fire
chief Hat (available only at your Texaco station or the World's Fair, I
presume the Chicago Century of Progress) and a Tom Mix Mystic VooDoo
Skull Ring. I wonder how many of these are real and how many are from
Shep's imagination.

There was a Jack Armstrong pedometer, but it was called a Hike-O-Meter, a
1934 premium, also offered in 1938.  Various General Mills programs
offered the pedometer under different names.  I got one in 1948.

Tumbusch lists no Buck Roger Rocketship, but again, that might have been
a dimestore item.

There was only one Captain Midnight Shake-Up Mug radio premium, a late
1947 item.  I sent for one.

There was no Captain Midnight Three-Way Mystic Dog Whistle, but there was
 Radio Orphan Annie Three-Way Dog Whistle issued in 1940.

The Ed Wynn item wasn't a Fire Chief's hat; it was a face mask, issued in
1933.

I can't find any referenced to a Tom Mix Mystic VooDoo Skull ring, and I
started listening around the time I did Captain Midnight.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 22:01:42 -0500
From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  hobbit and lord of the rings

I was looking at my hard drive and noticed I had downloaded a portion of
the Mind's Eye version of Lord of the Rings.  I am on download so it took
me a very long time do do just a few chapters, and I didn't get them all.
 I wonder if anybody has, and could make, me a copy of the Mind's Eye
Hobbit and Lord of the Rings.  I would tell you that I would send you
something in trade, which I will if you send me an envelope and I can
just drop the disk in and send it to you.  I have a BBC Lord of the Ring,
13 hours, stereo, or perhaps something else.  (I know that everybody has
that, but this one sounds good and is in stereo).  Please contact me off
list.  The mind's eye seems to be the most complete as far as reading
from Tolkien's books is concerned.  Happy new year.  Thanks in advance.
Kurt

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Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2004 23:35:16 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  When the Crunch Comes ....

Bart Bush, speaking of Ovaltine from the Orient notes of the Chinese
variety,

For me the clincher was that the crystals did not all dissolve, and some
floated on the top for quite awhile and I even got to experience the famous
Ovaltine crunch!

When I visited Ovaltine headquarters researching my book, my contact, the
marketing manager, handed me an Ovaltine candy bar and suggested I try
it.  I did so, and noticed it was similar to a Nestles candy bar -- the
one that was full of crisped rice.  But the "crunch" of the bar I'd been
handed wasn't rice.  It was particles of Ovaltine!

Now that's turning a liability into a benefit.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 01:07:21 -0500
From: "Matthew Bullis" <matthewbullis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jack Webb Dragnet tv vs. radio

Hello, I recieved a DVD of four Dragnet tv shows for Christmas. Being blind,
I rely on the dialogue alone, and having heard some of the radio shows
before, I wonder if there is really any difference in the dialogue on the
radio shows vs. the tv shows? Also, can anyone tell if perhaps sometimes the
tv audio was substituted for the audio in the radio program in those
collections that are out there on mp3? I don't think it would be a problem
if the tv audio was substituted for the radio program, if no radio version
has survived, or was in poor quality. I just figure that they are so similar
that you might not be able to tell the difference.
Thanks a lot.
Matthew

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:27:38 -0500
From: Tilyou1@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Another lawyer re: "Happy Birthday"
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-> One of the most popular songs to be played
-> was Happy Birthday to You; which was performed in many different languages
-> just to get past the ban. The original song is now, in fact, a copyrighted
-> piece of music, though it wasn't at the time.

I am not sure what's behind that statement -- perhaps the pre-1978 rule that
Federal copyright protection started only after publication with notice, and
before publication state laws controlled.  To REALLY understand this
you'd have to know more than I care to learn about the applicable laws (in
this case
probably the pre-1909 Copyright Act, since I think the song in some way
predates
1909) and the different rules that apply to:

 [music and lyrics]
 and
 [ownership of the recording itself -- the right to copy or broadcast or
  webstream a particular record].

- Once something is in the public domain, it stays there
-unless the law changes (as it did recently when copyright terms were
extended).

Actually, once in the public domain, it remains there, PERIOD.  However,

- Copyright has been extended numerous times for things *not yet*
   in the public domain.  "Happy Birthday" was (I believe) originally
   subject to the 1909 Act's rule of a 28 year term + a possible renewal
   for another 28 years.  But because it had NOT slipped into the public
   domain during the 2nd 28 year term, the recent multiple extensions
    of copyright duration keep the copyright going.

- Regarding "many different languages"....
  A translation can create a new work with a new copyright --
  but only for that translation (the underlying music and original lyrics
  would not be affected -- they could enter the public domain,
   without taking the translation with them).  However the idea that
translation is copyright
   protected assumes multiple ways to say the same thing -- some
   selection and arrangement in picking words.  A copyright in a translation
   of a public domain work  not stop someone else from translating the work
   Pretty silly business for a song (Happy Birthday to you) so simple that
   translations by different people would all be the same (but like 2
photographs
  of the Empire State Building, each photographer owns his own copyright
   even if the results look the same)

- Special rules apply to recordings -- the actual physical records.
  The situation for those things is complicated -- old (pre 1974, I
   think) recordings are still protected under state law and last
   an outrageously long time in the US.  That doesn't
   prevent the underlying music & lyrics from falling into the public
   domain; and

- I'm talking about US law.  For example of how messy this gets
  see [removed]
  which in part discusses how the copyright on Peter Pan was extended
  in England because the royalties are used to fund the "Hospital for
   Sick Children".  So a work can be public domain in (say) England
   but not the US, or visa versa.

- Charles Kramer  -- northernspy1@[removed]

Yes, another lawyer, and since 1982 (yikes!); though by posting
these ramblings I do not intend to give legal advice, which requires
specific analysis of particular facts and being more awake than I am
at the moment.  Or put another way, Happy New Year to you,
Happy New Year to you (my derivative version, and possibly an infringement)

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:33:34 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

 From Today in History -- The NY Times --

1921 -- Religious services were broadcast on radio for the first time as
KDKA in Pittsburgh aired the regular Sunday service of the city's
Calvary Episcopal Church.

Joe

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 10:59:23 -0500
From: BryanH362@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Weekends with Walden

01/02/2004

Happy New Year everyone? Here are some of the highlights for this weekends
Walden Hughes program on yesterday USA .
Fri, Sat , Sun on Yesterday USA .10:30 EST/ 7:30 PST
[removed] for live streaming.

Friday

Frank Bresee interviews June Foray

Saturday

Replay of the interview with Milt  Kaniff the creator of Terry and the
Pirates.

Sunday

Prof. Michael Biels starts off the evening

Replay of the interview with one of the current Four Ladds

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 11:42:57 -0500
From: Steve Salaba <philmfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: TV Movie "Duel" & Arch Obeler

Martin Grams, Jr. comments:

The film starred Dennis Weaver as a man who is being menaced by a large
truck (a 16-wheeler if I recall accurately) whom he cannot see the driver
and as it turns out, there was no driver.

IIRC, we do see the driver's booted feet at one point and possibly a hairy
arm out the cab window. We just never saw the truck driver's face, and
never heard him speak.

I recall seeing the movie on TV many years ago, so please correct me if I
am wrong. I think there is a tape or DVD available. I know the film was
released theatrically in Europe.

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 13:33:10 -0500
From: "Greg Willy" <gregw@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Ovaltine/Horlicks/Lum and Abner

Available at most Oriental Grocery stores and similar venues.  My [removed] can
was $[removed] Seemed like a bargain to me!!

For those of you who listen to the older Lum and Abner shows sponsored by
Holicks, the original malted milk powder, you may be interested to know that
Horlicks also can be found in Oriental markets in the US.  Both of the
stores here in Austin TX have it.  They still make it in England, India, and
Malaysia where it's still popular.  I haven't tasted Ovaltine in a long time
but I think Horlicks must be less sweet.  The first three ingredients are
wheat flour, powdered milk, and malted barley, which is not very sweet.  I
have developed a taste for it since discovering it and drink it at night
before going to bed instead of sweeter or heavier snacks.  I wonder if it
says anything about American tastes that we chose Ovaltine instead of
Horlicks here?  Someone in the Lum and Abner group even found a link for
buying Horlicks tablets refered to in the old ads.

Greg

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Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2004 17:21:39 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  1-3 births/deaths

Today in history:
1870 - Ground is broken for the Brooklyn Bridge, which engineer John Roebling
promises will be "the great engineering work of this Continent and of the age."

Shogatsu (Japan)

January 3rd births

01-03-1897 - Marion Davies - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-22-1961
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
01-03-1898 - Freddie Rich - Warsaw, Poland - d. 9-8-1956
bandleader: "Friendly Five Footnotes"; "George Jessel Show"
01-03-1898 - John Loder - London, England - d. 12-9-1988
actor, host: "Crime Does Not Pay"; "Silver Theatre"
01-03-1898 - Zasu Pitts - Parsons, KS - d. 6-7-1963
comedienne: "Lum and Abner"; "Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou"
01-03-1900 - Cecil Underwood - Vienna, MO
producer, director: "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Great Gildersleeve"
01-03-1905 - Anna May Wong - Chinatown, Los Angeles, CA - d. 2-2-1961
actress: "Campbell Playhouse"; "Hollywood Hotel"
01-03-1908 - Ray Milland - Neath, Wales - d. 3-12-1986
actor: Ray McNutley "Meet Mr. McNutley"
01-03-1909 - Victor Borge - Copenhagen, Denmark - d. 12-23-2000
comedian, pianist: "Victor Borge Show"; "Kraft Music Hall"
01-03-1916 - Betty Furness - NYC - d. 4-2-1994
actress: Anne Williams "Casey, Crime Photographer"; "Philco Radio Playhouse"
01-03-1918 - Maxine Andrews - Minneapolis, MN - d. 10-21-1995
singer: (Andrews Sisters) "Glenn Miller Orchestra"; "Andrews Sisters Revue"

January 3rd deaths

02-08-1890 - Irving Kaufman - Syracuse, NY - d. 1-3-1976
singer: "Champion Sparkers"; "Broadway Vanities"
02-10-1897 - Dame Judith Anderson - Adelaide, Australia - d. 1-3-1992
actress: Royal Gelatin Hour"
04-03-1904 - Peter Van Steeden - Amsterdam, The Netherlands - d. 1-3-1990
bandleader: "Town Hall Tonight"; "Mr. District Attorney"
04-16-1897 - Milton J. Cross - NYC - d. 1-3-1975
announcer, commentator: (The Voice of the Met) "General Motors Concerts"
12-20-1906 - Marion Talley - Nevada, MO - d. 1-3-1983
singer: "Ry-Krisp Presents Marion Talley"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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