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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 375
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Today in OTR History [ Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed]; ]
Re: The ILAM Rumor [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Re: Firefighters dates [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed]; ]
Chuck Shaden's E-Mail Address [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Re: COATING FAILURE [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
RE: Missing Sam Spades [ "Dick Lochte" <dlochte@[removed]; ]
Re: KYW [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
KYW [ RFMiller@[removed] ]
Frank Nelson [ bruce dettman <bdettman@[removed] ]
The Firefighters [ "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed] ]
Re: KYW [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
radio hoaxes [ Maxjo@[removed] ]
Bill Lipton [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
Re: Radio Folks [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
peter cushing & vincent price radio [ "Edwin Ortiz" <eddieo396@[removed]; ]
OTR Legends [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
Table MP3 Player-Radio [ "JLF formerly INFOMEDIA" <infom@ore ]
The Magic Radio [ "Arte" <arte@[removed]; ]
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 11:48:46 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in OTR History
From Those Were the Days --
1938 - WBOE in Cleveland, OH became the first school-operated radio
station (owned by a municipality) to receive a license from the FCC.
WBOE went on the air as a 500-watt AM station and later became an FM
station.
1938 - The first broadcast of Central City was heard. It was an
adventure-mystery show set at the newspaper in, you guessed it, Central
City. Elspeth Eric played the part of crime reporter Emily Olson; and
Van Heflin was crime reporter Bob Shellenberger (later, the part was
played by Myron McCormick). Central City aired until 1941.
1944 - “Happy trails to you, until we meet [removed]” The Roy Rogers
Show was first heard on the Mutual Broadcasting System. Singing along
with Roy (‘The King of the Cowboys’), were the Whippoorwills and The
Sons of the Pioneers.
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:31:03 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: The ILAM Rumor
On 11/21/01 11:19 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:
On this one subject, I was wondering what shows do we have a strong
suspicion that people are hoarding. I once remember reading that someone in
California had the entire run of I Love a Mystery shows. I think I also
recall that this topic most likely was false. Still just curious of what
might be out there.
The ILAM legend is one of the most prominent of the "mystery miser"
stories, and the cult following surrounding this series ensures that it
will keep cropping up every few years as new collectors enter the OTR
community. It is, however, highly unlikely that "the entire run" of ILAM
exists.
NBC rarely recorded 15-minute serials in long runs for its own archival
use -- and in fact, does not seem to have begun preserving large amounts
of any Hollywood-based programming until the spring of 1942. It's
therefore very unlikely that any long runs of the 1939-42 era exist.
There's the off chance that some member of the cast or crew ordered
recordings for personal use -- but the odds are against more than a few
scattered episodes having been preserved under such circumstances. LOC
does have a few of the half-hour 1942 episodes, but these have long been
circulating.
The odds are slightly better for the mid-forties CBS run, since Procter
and Gamble, the sponsor during that period, very often had shows recorded
off the line for spotting in Canada. I don't know if this was done in the
specific case of ILAM, but if it was, there's a chance of recordings
turning up North Of The Border unless they were all junked (as was
usually required by contracts.) In any event, even if all of the P&G
shows were to someday surface, this would be a far cry from "the entire
run."
The New York based Mutual series was pre-recorded, and offers the
likeliest prospect for the preservation of the series -- and in fact,
most of the surviving shows are from the Mutual run, originating from
Carlton Morse's own discs. As the story goes, Morse was supposed to
receive discs for all the Mutual episodes, but for whatever reason, only
received the recordings that are now in circulation. It's certainly
possible that more of the Mutual shows exist somewhere, but given the
amount of attention this rumor has received, the "mystery miser" seems
more urban myth than anything else. And given that ILAM is very much
under copyright, I suspect that if "the entire run" *were* to
miraculously surface, the Morse Trust's legal team would immediately
clamp down on any circulation or unlicensed commercial use of the
recordings -- and in fact if they were made for Morse but for some reason
never reached him, the lawyers might well argue that the discs are in
fact stolen property. Thus, if the "mystery miser" does in fact exist,
it's definitely in his best interest to keep a very low profile.
Funny how in these rumors it's always "a Texas millionaire" or "an oil
millionaire." Bet he wears a ten-gallon hat and a buckskin coat, talks
with an LBJ dialect, and drives a big Cadillac with steer horns on the
hood and ILAM episodes playing on the 8-track. Just once I'd like to hear
about a Silicon Valley internet millionaire with a bad haircut who hoards
"Helen Trent" [removed]
Elizabeth
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:32:02 -0500
From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Firefighters dates
Ted Davenport replied:
Well, I have 140 episodes of the show. It sounds more like 1930's material
rather than late 1940's but, of course, that is just my opinion.
The show does have the feel of the the 30s. But the lead character Tim
Collins is listed as an [removed], and he mentions in the opening episode
that "it is colder than the Battle of the Bulge." I have not yet heard
all the episodes there may be more clues as to exact dates of the
broadcast, 1948 being the year mostly assigned to this program.
I would be interested in the actors who appeared on "The Firefighters."
In the opening sequence we hear five different voices:
Voice #1 - Five bells, standby all stations.
Voice #2: Radio dispatcher voice: Attention all districts, a five-alarm
fire, five bells, move in immediately
Voice #3: That's it, lets roll!
Voice #4: Lets go!
Voice #5: Firefighters [this voice sounds very much like John Dehner,
can anyone confirm.]
The only production credits I have are:
Written by Frank Jones
Copyright feature of William F. Holland Productions
Any additional information greatly appreciated,
Gerry Wright
ZoneZebra Productions
San Francisco
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:46:27 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Chuck Shaden's E-Mail Address
This is my first time so I hope that I am doing it right. So far I have
enjoyed everything that I have received (all two, just joined last night). I
see someone may want Chuck Shaden's E-Mail address. I subscribe to his
Nostalgia Digest and I do have it.
TWTDchuck@[removed]
I hope this helps whoever needs it.
Ron Sayles
[ADMINISTRIVIA: Mr. Schaden is, we're proud to say, also a subscriber
to this mailing list. --cfs3]
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:47:02 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: COATING FAILURE
Ian Grieve in Australia asked whether the high percentage of lacquer
disc coating failure at ScreenSound (Australia's National Film and Sound
Archive) was with original OTR era discs or what the archive was dubbing
to. The archive had not been dubbing to disc--the problem discs were
the originals. But rest assured, the entire collection of lacquer discs
has been dubbed to tape while still retaining the original discs. That
is why the archive had to stop everything they were doing and do
this--they felt that it WAS important enough to make sure the recordings
were preserved. As I mentioned, the problem seemed to be caused by the
manufacturing process or materials in the original Australian-made blank
discs.
Because the problem of tape sticky-shed syndrom was known by that time,
I believe that they have taken all necessary measures to make sure that
they don't get trapped by THIS on top of the failure of the discs!
The problem did not extend to the pressings, of course, and ScreenSound
has a large collection of vinyl pressings of Australian syndicated
programs which were not affected by the problem.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 12:55:15 -0500
From: "Dick Lochte" <dlochte@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: RE: Missing Sam Spades
Thanks to whoever mentioned [removed], I have discovered
that there are two Sam Spade shows in circulation that I've never seen
on any other list. "The Calcutta Trunk Caper" from June 8, 1947 and "The
Gold Key Caper" from January 25, 1948. The former is in excellent
condition, the latter in poor. Anyone know how I can get hold of copies?
Dick Lochte
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:15:39 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: KYW
Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]; wrote:
KYW was moved to Philadelphia in 1934 after a long and
complicated legal controversy with federal regulators.
(It was in Cleveland for a while later on, but eventually
moved back to Philadelphia where it remains today.)
From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
As best I can tell, KYW did *not* move from Philadelphia to
Cleveland -- only the call sign moved, when Westinghouse
traded its Philadelphia radio and TV stations for NBC's
Cleveland stations.
Actually Elizabeth's said "It was in Cleveland for a while". The only
places where she used the word "moved" were concerning the two moves to
Phila. When the radio station went to Phila the first time in 1934 it
WAS a move. They were not trading with an existing station. They built
new facilities from the ground up. There's a big piece in Broadcasting
in 1934 about the opening of KYW's state-of-the-art transmitting
facilities and (I think) how glad they are to be in Phila. The move was
explained as being the result of the clause in the Radio Act of 1927
that required equalitarian allocation of broadcasting facilities among
the ten geographical regions the country was divided into. After a few
years it was determined that there was one too many high powered outlets
in the region where Chicago was, and one too few in the Philadelphia
region. KYW was said to have "volunteered" to move. Ironically, by the
time the move was ready, the reasons for the move had already become
moot. The 1927 Act's region provisions were repealed, and the 1934 Act
was almost in place.
I've been wondering about Elizabeth's description of this first
situation as "a long and complicated legal controversy with federal
regulators". Perhaps I was being naive, but I've thought that the move
was "voluntary". The benefits of KYW moving from Chicago to Phila
always seemed plausible to me. Chicago was a tough market then. There
were a lot of good and powerful stations. Perhaps my memories of Phila
in the 50s and 60s have colored my thoughts of the 30s, but I've thought
that Phila was a lousy market of radio stations, and that Westinghouse
might have felt they could easily dominate it. Being a native New
Yawker who spent four years in Phila in the 60s, I've seen Phila as the
place where people either wait till they get their big break and go to
New York, or this is where they come to when they fail in New York.
Sorry, but the best stations heard in Philadelphia are the New York
stations.
(The call sign returned when the FCC forced NBC to give the stations
back to Westinghouse in the 1960s; supposedly NBC had threatened to
yank their affiliation with KYW and/or KYW-TV if Westinghouse didn't
agree to a swap.)
I am not sure of the details of the "change" to Cleveland in the 50s,
but I can assure you that in the return to Philadelphia in the 60s a lot
of PEOPLE "moved" from Cleveland to Phila, it was not just a trade of
call letters. The entire staffs changed. And boy was it a mess! This
was during the time that color television was finally catching on, and
there were 18 month waiting lists for stations to get color cameras.
WRCV-TV had been local color for many years because it was owned by RCA
and was right across the river from the main RCA factories in Camden,
NJ. Group W had been syndicating the Mike Douglas Show out of Cleveland
and had finally gotten its long awaited color cameras only a few months
earlier. It was just starting to syndicate the show in color, and
assumed they would continue to do so with the color cameras that they
would find in Phila.
The deal was supposed to be an even swap--building for building,
equipment for equipment. I watched WRCV-TV sign off for the last time
one night after The Tonight Show. (I might even have an audiotape.)
Later in the morning the KYW people arrived to find that every piece of
color equipment was GONE! A row of tractor trailer trucks had pulled up
to the building at sign off, all the color cameras, monitors,
modulators, etc, were hauled out, and ZOOM, off went the trucks,
presumably across the Ben Franklin Bridge to RCA in Camden! The whole
country had been getting a lot of promotion about the Mike Douglas Show
moving to the BIG city, Phila! But then at least 4 months of black and
white Mike Douglas shows came out of Phila before the rush order of
Norelco color cameras finally arrived. (How they got them so fast I
don't know, because WFIL-TV was waiting a long time for the 7 Norelco
cameras they had ordered.)
To this day I don't know why half the RCA executive board didn't end up
in the Federal Pen over this. I don't think any of them did. But then
again, anybody reading the results of the FCC "Network Case" from the
late 30s and early 40s can not also understand why RCA was allowed to
keep its station licenses. If that decision didn't find them guilty of
restraint of trade in the radio business, I don't know what would.
That, of course, is one of the reasons for loss of license clearly
stated in the Communications Act of 1934. I guess that RCA was more
powerful than either the FCC or the USA.
So, Elizabeth, was I being too naive in thinking that Westinghouse
wanted to move from Chicago to Philadelphia in 1934? I know they were
VERY happy to move to Phily from Cleveland! (I'm pretty sure that even
[removed] Fields would want to move from Cleveland to Philadelphia in the
60s!)
Michael (second prize--TWO weeks in Phila) Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 13:28:10 -0500
From: RFMiller@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: KYW
Recently Elizabeth wrote:
KYW was the most prestigious station in Chicago during the [removed]
I fondly remember KYW in Philadelphia, when did the call sign change hands?
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 14:47:32 -0500
From: bruce dettman <bdettman@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Frank Nelson
Need a photo of Frank Nelson. Can anyone hep?
Thanks in advance
Bruce Dettman
bdettman@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 15:39:20 -0500
From: "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Firefighters
I recently came across a series that I
know nothing about. It's called "Firefighters". It's not mentioned in
John
Dunning's book, and Vintage Radio Logs only says that it's probably from
the
late 40's. Does anyone have any more information about this series?
The reason I mentioned that it is probably in the late 40s comes
directly
from the show references themselves. There are several WWII incidents
mentioned. Specifically, in the very first chapter, the "Battle of the
Bulge" is mentioned. Since that battle was fought at the end of the war
(1-16-44 through 1-28-45), the series obviously has to be after that point.
I think 1948 sounds about right
If you wish to find out more information on the series, you may go to
my
Website, The Vintage Radio Place at <[removed]>. Go down to the "Main
Table of Contents" and click on "Vintage Radio Logs." Then just click on
"Firefighters," or any of the other over 500 logs listed there to view,
download or print out the log(s). All programs with catalog or location
numbers are available for purchase there also on CD, Cassette and other
formats.
You may also find this series listed in my on-line CD / cassette
catalog
which is located at <[removed]> OTRSite On-Line Catalog. To
use this catalog, your browser must be Frames compliant and you should be
running at a resolution setting of 800x600 or higher for best viewing
(although lower resolution settings may be used).
I hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to
contact me.
Jerry Haendiges <jhaendiges@[removed];
[removed] The Vintage Radio Place
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:50:09 -0500
From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: KYW
Elizabeth McLeod wrote:
KYW was moved to Philadelphia in 1934 after a long and complicated legal
controversy with federal regulators. (It was in Cleveland for a while
later
on, but eventually moved back to Philadelphia where it remains today.)
If I recall correctly, a big help in moving KYW from Chicago to Philadelphia
was Westinghouse's taking over WRAX, which had been transmitting on the same
frequency as KYW (1020 kHz).
Ed Ellers responded to Elizabeth:
As best I can tell, KYW did *not* move from Philadelphia to Cleveland --
only the call sign moved, when Westinghouse traded its Philadelphia radio
and TV stations for NBC's Cleveland stations.
I'm positive the station staff largely moved from Philadelphia to Cleveland
and back; in part, that was why KYW-TV news anchor Tom Snyder and "The Mike
Douglas Show" were based in Cleveland one week and Philadelphia the next in
'65.
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:50:35 -0500
From: Maxjo@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: radio hoaxes
in 1955-56 i listened to WWL in new [removed] had a late-night dj,dick
martin,who had a show for many years [removed] later moved on & eventually
ended up at KRMG in tulsa,[removed] was a young musician usually travelling
late at night would listen to [removed] had a running commentary about these
wonderful mexican trumpet players,who originated from the jungle in the
southern part of mexico& learned to play by listening to jazz on the
[removed] martin would elaborate on these guys & then play a selection that
they were supposed to have recorded in new york,after they were discovered by
a wealthy [removed] carried on this hoax for [removed] the jazz critics &
magazine writers were asking to see these guys.
it was eventually revealed that it was actually pete & conte condoli,who were
hot studio & jazz musicians on the west coast jazz scene at that [removed] think
they were originally from ohio.
jean shepherd did basically the same thing with a book that hadn't been
written,entitled"i,libertine".
max salathiel
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:51:19 -0500
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Bill Lipton
I was sad to read that Bill Lipton passed away. I have a very fond memory of
meeting him. It was my first FOTR convention in 1983. I saw him standing by
himself in the hotel lobby. No one was approaching him although there were a
number of people around. He was shaking of course due to his illness and I
wondered if he would be able to sign an autograph. I got up my nerve and
asked him for his autograph which he graciously gave to me and we had a long
conversation. I enjoyed talking with him and am so glad I had the
opportunity to meet him in person.
He also had the starring role in "Planet Man" which I listened to on
Saturday mornings over a radio station in Cleveland in the 1950s. I don't
believe I've ever seen that credit in print.
Barbara
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:51:41 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Radio Folks
From: Larry Gassman forwarded from Matt Holzman <mrh90006@[removed];
I am trying to convince a local university to add more radio studies
to their communications curriculum. I am looking for big name folks
(creative or business)who cut their teeth in radio to help with this
project. Bob Hope would be an example. Can you make any suggestions
off the top of your head? Can you post this request on an OTR listserv
or other place that radio people congregate? Thanks!
Yours in Radio, Matt Holzman
As a longtime college communications professor, this is intriguing.
Radio studies. I don't mean this to be negative, but courses do not get
added to a curriculum on a whim. There have to be instructors there who
can teach the courses, students who would want to take the courses, and
reasons why and where these courses would fit into the overall program
of study in the department. Why would someone want "a local university"
to add these courses? Is Matt a student there? A prospective student?
If so, why did he not say so? In either case, if the school does not
offer the courses he wants, there are other schools that do. If he
wants to study a particular thing, he could arrange with one of the
professors to do a "directed study". If there are no professors
interested or able in this field at the university, it would take YEARS
to bring them in--and Matt would be long gone by then.
Or is Matt just someone in the neighborhood who is thinking of doing a
good deed for the students who do attend? If students were interested
in a field the school doesn't teach, they would have gone to one that
does offer it. If the faculty does see the interest, they would already
have thought of adding it, and Matt wouldn't need outside assistance.
If the faculty IS interested but the administration is not, that is a
different story.
But what is Matt's definition of "radio studies"? Is it OTR? Radio
history? Radio drama production techniques? Or the study of modern-day
formatted radio? Hands-on or lecture? We can add an occasional course
in broadcast history if it is not already part of the curriculum, but
don't expect to find lab courses in radio drama production. When I went
to college there were plenty of these, but there is a reason why they
are not being taught anymore. I do a few weeks in it--and then steer
these skills towards producing commercials and using music in an
effective manner rather than just background. In a crowded curriculum
there's not much room for a specialized course in it anymore. When I
was in England in September we heard about an organization there of
college professors in "radio studies", but they were not thinking of OTR
nor of production labs. It was about studying contemporary radio and
how it differs from TV.
And what would he want the "big name folks" to do? Talk to the
department chair and convince them to add the courses, or come in and be
the ones to teach the courses? I can just see 98-year old Bob Hope
tottering over in his nearly deaf and blind condition. If you would
just want his endorsement, what would you want him to endorse? When you
think about it, his __real__ connection with "radio" is relatively
limited. He was a performer who read scripts with a cast in front of an
audience. He did the exact same things in vaudeville, theatre, movies,
and television. He never worked in actual radio, never worked at local
stations, did any programming, sales, engineering, managing, copy
writing, or anything that was uniquely radio. He came into the studio
and performed. That's all--it's a lot, but that's all it was. And he
got out of radio when television was the thing, just like he got out of
vaudeville when radio was the thing. If anything, his movie career is
more important--it was longer and is what has given him worldwide fame
beyond the borders of this country. He is not known for his radio or TV
work outside of this country. Only his movies. Why would you expect
him to endorse teaching courses in radio drama or OTR? And like Steve
Allen did, he probably hates what modern radio is like, if he listens at
all. He'd probably tell you to go into movies or TV!
If the faculty and students are already in place for this but there is
resistance on the part of the administration, the outside "radio folks"
that would be listened to the most would be the ones who arrive with
bucks and/or offers of granting internships to the students.
Unfortunately colleges have turned into vocational schools, and the
students are thinking about JOBS!! (Are there any jobs in OTR??)
I'm sure Matt's heart is in the right place, but either this has not
been thought thru well enough, or this didn't really express what he
wanted to convey. I'm with him, but still not sure what he wants!
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 18:37:14 -0500
From: "Edwin Ortiz" <eddieo396@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: peter cushing & vincent price radio
Hi otr fans i am currently listening to a radio show called aliens in the
mind starring peter cushing and vincent price. they are a great duo and the
radio play is fascinating. even though this doesnt qualify as old time radio
does any one out there know if these two appeared together in other radio
shows . i would appreciate a response even if the shows are not "otr".
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:07:58 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Legends
The rumors of a hoarding of ILAM programs brings to mind that OTR has
plenty of legends that resurface from time to time. I've mentioned the
Decoder Ring legend, and Jean Shepherd's canard about deciphering a
Secret Society message to discover that it was an Ovaltine commercial.
There is the false story of Uncle Don supposedly saying nasty things
about his audience. There are tales of how many "bloopers" were
recreations, or more properly, "fantasy creations," as one expert in
memorabilia puts it.
There is an Urban Legends website ([removed] ), and it
touches on OTR legends. Would it be a worthwhile project to consider an
equivalent OTR Legends website?
I open the idea for discussion.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 19:53:44 -0500
From: "JLF formerly INFOMEDIA" <infom@[removed];
To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Table MP3 Player-Radio
There was a reference to a Philips Phillips Expanium MP3-CD
Sound Machine (Models AZ 1150 and AZ 1155) tablemodel MP3 Player combo - but
I can't find it anywhere on the web. I live in frontier Oregon so catalog
and on-line are my only avenues. Anyone seen this. Seems perfect for bedside
OTR!
JF
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Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 23:10:17 -0500
From: "Arte" <arte@[removed];
To: "OldRadio Mailing List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Magic Radio
I have a tape of "Fibber McGee & Molly" where Fibber fixes
up his old radio according to the "McGee Theory of Radio
Dyanetics."
Mine is titled "The Magic Radio." It was offered several
years ago as a freebie to introduce the catalog of shows
available from a Seattle area broadcaster named Victor Ives.
(or it might be Vic DeRives, I never could tell from the way
he said it.)
Arte
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