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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2007 : Issue 229
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  little on a lot                       [ <[removed]@[removed]; ]
  8-7 births/deaths                     [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  Martin Kane, Private Eye              [ "Don Jensen" <dnjkenosha@[removed]; ]
  November on TCM is an OTR fan's drea  [ John Olsen <jrolsen2@[removed]; ]
  Leo Carrillo                          [ "Grant & Sally Shorten" <shorten@ro ]
  Cereal shot from guns                 [ "Pamela K. Gitta" <wjmtv@[removed] ]
  Fisherman's Wharf                     [ jack and cathy french <otrpiano@ver ]
  Stan Freburg                          [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
  OTR actors in similar roles           [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
  Cassette tapes                        [ Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed]; ]
  Pall Mall & other stuff               [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]

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Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 21:15:16 -0400
From: <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  little on a lot

This post covers a lot of topics that have been mentioned over the last few
weeks on the digest.

TV shows that outlived their OTR parents.  I don't think that anyone
mentioned Gunsmoke (over 20 years on TV), Truth or Consequences (there were
two separate runs both for quite a while), Guiding Light (still on), and
Dragnet (which had two fairly long runs for TV).

On the similar topic of the reason some TV shows don't last as long as some
OTR shows did. Shows like Law and Order, and ER have had long runs with many
changes in cast.

The Yukon Land offer. I remember a Donald Duck or Uncle Scrooge story from
the 50's that related to this offer. Scrooge won in New Mexico (I think) in
a box of cereal. When he, Donald, and the boys (Hewey, Dewey, and Louie)
when to check it out, it was just an inch square. Scrooge saw a gopher
coming out of the hole that was in his land with oil on its feet. He then
got Donald and the boys to run over the country to get all the inches of
land around his. The oil came from a buried tractor under the whole parcel
of land.
The one comment I can remember from the Scrooge story was the person at the
company being amazed that someone would claim their land. I have this story
in one of the many reprints and when I find it. I'll let every one know what
issue it is in.
There was a Bugs Bunny story that spoofed the same idea. Bugs won some land
and when he went to claim it, it was only a square inch. He then grew a
carrot.

On the subject of Mp3's.  I use this format to store my collection and to
make it easier to transport and give me more options to be able to listen to
it. I, now, can listen to OTR in my car, bedroom, on walks, and on my
computer. Before I was limited to where ever my tape deck, or cassette
player was located, and limited to the number or variety of shows I could
carry with me.

On the subject of "will you keep buying or collecting OTR". Yes, I think
that I will keep collecting OTR programs. I have more now than I am ever
likely to listen any time soon but there are shows out there that I would
like to have, and shows in my collection that I would like to have more of.
Will I buy them? Yes, I will, from some of the dealers that I have dealt
with before and I will download or trade with anyone.

I am in the middle of sorting my collection and making a data base to
catalog what I have and need. When I am finished, I'll post a list of what I
am looking for on the digest.

Roger Keel

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:01:25 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  8-7 births/deaths

August 7th births

08-07-1883 - Reinald Werrenrath - NYC - d. 9-12-1953
baritone: "Old Company Program"
08-07-1884 - Billie Burke - Washington, [removed] - d. 5-14-1970
comedienne: "Billie Burke Show"; Mrs. Featherstone "Gay Mrs.
Featherstone"
08-07-1903 - Hilda Hopkins Burke - d. 4-6-1978
soprano: WBAL Baltimore, Maryland
08-07-1904 - Dr. Ralph Bunche - Detroit, MI - d. 12-7-1971
activist: "The Big Show"
08-07-1904 - Herbert Colin Rice - Guilford, England - d. 5-27-1991
creator, writer, producer: "Bobby Benson"
08-07-1906 - Ernestine Wade - Mississippi - d. 4-14-1983
actor: Sapphire Stevens "Amos 'n' Andy"
08-07-1908 - Dave Bacal - NYC - d. 9-xx-1986
staff organist for CBS
08-07-1909 - Sheldon Stark - NYC - d. 2-6-1997
writer: "The Columbia Workshop"; "Straight Arrow"
08-07-1910 - Freddie Slack - Westby, WI - d. 8-10-1965
pianist, bandleader: "Kraft Music Hall"
08-07-1911 - Nicholas Ray - Galesville, WI - d. 6-16-1979
director: Free lance
08-07-1914 - Clifford Thorsness - d. 6-14-2002
sound effects: "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Edgar Bergen/Charlie
McCarthy Show"
08-07-1914 - June Travis - Chicago, IL
actor: Stormy Curtis/Wilson "Girl Alone"; Bernice Farraday "Arnold
Grimm's Daughter"
08-07-1921 - Poni (Jane) Adams - San Antonio, TX
contestant escort: "Darts  for Dough"
08-07-1926 - Stan Freberg - Los Angeles, CA
comedian: "That's Rich"; "Stan Freberg Show"
08-07-1927 - Carl 'Alfalfa' Switzer - Paris, IL - d. 1-21-1959
actor: "Thirty Minutes In Hollywood"
08-07-1942 - Garrison Keillor - Anoka, MN
vocalist, storyteller: "A Prarie Home Companion"

August 7th deaths

01-05-1902 - Eve Sully - NYC - d. 8-7-1990
comedianne: appearedd with husband Jesse Block on radio
01-18-1892 - Oliver Hardy - Harlem, GA - d. 8-7-1957
comedian: "Laurel and Hardy Show" Pilot, never broadcast
01-28-1900 - Mahlon Merrick - Farmington, IA - d. 8-7-1969
music: "Jack Benny Program"; "Skippy Hollywood Theatre"
01-28-1914 - Tom Neal - Evanston, IL - d. 8-7-1972
actor: "I Am An American"; "The Unexpected"
02-09-1901 - Walter Preston - Quincy, IL - d. 8-7-1982
singer: "Philco Hour"
03-07-1905 - Ruth Freed Akst - Vancouver, Canada - d. 8-7-1989
composer/violinist lead singing and instrumental trio on radio
03-10-1903 - Leon Bismark "Bix" Beiderbecke - Davenport, IA - d.
8-7-1931
jazz musician: "Band Remotes"
03-16-1885 - Rev. Dr. William L. Stidger - Moundsville, WV - d. 8-7-1949
pastor: "Getting the Most Out of Life"
04-13-1889 - Herbert Yardley - Washington, IN - d. 8-7-1958
writer: "Stories of the Black Chambers"
05-18-1900 - Raymond Paige - Wausau, WI - d. 8-7-1965
conductor: "Hollywood Hotel"; "Musical Americana"; "Stage Door Canteen"
05-30-1912 - Jerry D. Lewis - d. 8-7-1996
writer: "This Is Your FBI"
07-15-1900 - Helen Shields - Champaign, IL - d. 8-7-1963
actor: Linda Dale "I Love Linda Dale"; Sylvia Meadows "Amanda of
Honeymoon Hill"
07-27-1920 - Henry "Homer" Haynes - d. 8-7-1971
comedian: (Homer and Jethro) "Town and Country Time"
07-29-1938 - Peter Jennings - Toronto, Canada - d. 8-7-2005
news broadcaster: "When Conventions Were Conventions"
10-05-1913 - Lois January - Fort Worth, TX - d. 8-7-2006
actor: "County Fair"
10-20-1922 - John Anderson - Clayton, IL - d. 8-7-1992
actor: William Clark "Horizons West"
xx-xx-1895 - Howard Marsh - Bluffton, IN - d. 8-7-1969
singer: "Buick Presents"; "Evening in Paris"; "Frigidaire Program"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:02:03 -0400
From: "Don Jensen" <dnjkenosha@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Martin Kane, Private Eye

Not long ago, someone referred to the very early TV show, "Martin Kane,
Private Eye,"
said to be television's network first detective show in 1951.
Interestingly, it closely followed in time a radio version.   I remember the
TV version which initially starred a veteran actor, William Gargan, who I
thought at the time -- I was in junior high then -- wasn't much of an actor,
cornballing the role of the pipesmoking, avuncular detective.  I later read
Gargan's autobiography in which he defended himself and his acting,
admitting he played Kane over-the-top to cover poor scripting and directing.
That may or may not have been the case.  Kane, played live not kinied in the
early versions, and was notorious for monumental technical screwups.

The one I recall went like this:  Scene: A room where a crime had just
occurred.  Perhaps there was a scream, I don't recall.  But I remember that
Kane (Gargan) was off stage, pounding ferociously on a door demanding
instant entry, as we view the inside of that apartment door.  Presumably
because of Gargan's pounding, the door slowly swings open of its own accord,
revealing the actor standing there, arm raised to continue his pounding, and
looking astonished at what had happened.  Then, cooly, he reached for the
door knob and pulled the door shut again and continued pounding.  Another
actor on stage then went through the motions of unlocking and opening the
door to admit the detective.   Ah those were the days!
--Don Jensen

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:02:42 -0400
From: John Olsen <jrolsen2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  November on TCM is an OTR fan's dream

This coming November, Turner Classic Movies (the cable channel that many
of us receive) will be showing a ton of great old movies that are
related to old time radio.  And not just a single film from a series,
but often the entire series!  Here's what's coming:

Topper (all 3 movies)
Jungle Jim (8 movies)
The Whistler (6 of the movies)
Crime Doctor (8 of them)
I Love A Mystery (all 3 movies)
Philo Vance movies (6 of them)
Andy Hardy (16 of them)
Dick Tracy (all 4 films)
The Saint (7 movies)
The Lone Wolf (7 movies)
Sherlock Holmes (4 movies)
The Thin Man (5 of the 6)
The Falcon (11 films)
Fibber McGee and Molly (2 films)
The Great Gildersleeve (5 films)
Maisie (9 of them)
Perry Mason (6 of them)
Dr. Kildare (9 movies)
Boston Blackie (6 movies)

Plus there's plenty of other non-OTR stuff.  Like:

Nancy Drew (all 4 movies)
Man from UNCLE (8 movie compilations)
Lassie (6 movies)
East Side Kids/Dead End Kids (11 movies)

Forgive me if I miscounted any of the movies; my fingers were shaking as
I was looking over the amazing list.  So get your VCRs and DVD recorders
ready.  November on TCM will be an old radio lover's dream come true.

John

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:03:36 -0400
From: "Grant & Sally Shorten" <shorten@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Leo Carrillo

Hi anybody,

I noticed on Ron's list August 6 included the death of Leo Carrillo in 1961.
Besides the radio programs mentioned, Leo was probably best known as Pancho
on the TV version of the Cisco Kid. "Oh Pancho, oh Cisco, Ha, ha, ha."
Leo came from a very influential family in the history of California. His
great-grandfather was once the governor and his father was a police chief
and later mayor of San Diego. Leo was also famous in California for his
leadership in the conservation movement. He has an interesting family and
bio.
Leo also had his ranch here in Carlsbad, CA where he  entertained his
friends from Hollywood often. Clark Gable and Carol Lombard were very close
friends of his and even had their own bedroom across the way from Leo and
his wife. Other actors would travel down to the ranch for weekends in their
Airstream trailers which were popular at the time. He provided a parking
area for them near the ranch house which is now used for public parking and
the barnyard. The Carrillo family donated the ranch and about twelve acres
to the city and the remaining twenty five hundred acres were sold and are
now housing subdivisions. On Friday evenings in the summer the city
entertains the public with a Cisco Kid serial followed by one of Leo's
feature length movies on the ranch house lawn near the pool.
I thought I would throw in a little added info on the guy we knew as
"Pancho".

Grant

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:04:23 -0400
From: "Pamela K. Gitta" <wjmtv@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Cereal shot from guns
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The "shot from guns" notion was dreamed up by a guy named Claude Hopkins,
one of the greatest copywriters who ever lived. He's also the gentleman who
made "plaque" a household word (in his '20s ads for Pepsodent) and pretty
much invented the coupon.

Anyway, according to his autobiography (a fun read, if you're into that sort
of thing) he says that besides coming up with the gun theory, another
central reason why he thinks the campaign succeeded is because he put
Professor Arthur P. out in front of the public as the "face" of Puffed Wheat
and Puffed Rice, so they could look at a guy instead of a faceless
corporation. This is what he says was the initial reaction to his campaign:

"That idea ('shot from guns') aroused ridicule. One of the greatest food
advertisers in the country wrote an article about it. He said that of all
the follies evolved in food advertising this certainly was the worst. The
idea of appealing to women on a 'Food shot from guns' was the theory of an
imbecile."

Unless, of course, ol' Claude was ahead of the game and talking to the
kiddies. He doesn't say, but I wouldn't put it past him.

Pam

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 00:04:55 -0400
From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Fisherman's Wharf

I"ve just located an audio copy of what appears to be an ABC
audition, circa 1946, produced in San Francisco. It's a half hour
show with Jack Webb and was written as part of an anthology series.
Webb, playing a newsman, strikes up a conversation with Eddie,
operator of a bar and grill on the SF waterfront. That conversation
leads to a story, in this case "The Joey Reardon Story" is a sad tale
about a prize fighter. Webb appears only at beginning and end, not in
the main drama.

Cast includes Monty Masters, Lu Tobin, Florence Anderson, John
Galbraith, and Ira Blue.

This show is news to our Digest expert on Jack Webb's show-biz
career, Michael Hayde.

Can any one provide any more info on this audition show?

Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
<[removed]>

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 08:36:28 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Stan Freburg

Of course, Stan Freburg parodied this a bit later with his "Puffed
Grass" advertisements as the supposed sponsor of "Bang Gunley, [removed]
Marshal Fields" . . . "of course, a cast-iron bowl helps!"

And Bang Gunley was the only cowboy with a green mouth!

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 92 State Street	                                  Fax [removed]
Boston, MA 02109           	         [removed]

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 13:36:11 -0400
From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR actors in similar roles
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       Yes, there are several examples I can think of.  Most notably, the
role
of Mr. Keen was played by 2 different actors, there were several different
actors and actresses who played the roles of Lamont Cranston and Margo
Lane in "The Shadow",both Hal Peary and Willard Waterman played "The
Great Gildersleeve", and there were at least two different sets of actors and
actresses who portrayed Pam and Jerry North in "Mr. and Mrs. North".
These are but just a few examples.  And yes, it was probably cheaper to find
a actor/actress to slip into a role than to write him/her out and start from
scratch, developing a new back ground story, etc.

       As far as I know, this has been done throughout broadcast history on
various programs and was done on television, too.  Now, however, more and
more television programs are writing out characters and starting fresh with
new characters.  For some reason, they seem to think it more economical to
start new actors/actresses out in a new role these days than to continue an
established role played by a new actor/actress.  Go figure.

Another OTR Fan,

Kenneth Clarke

Get Juno DSL - the easier, safer broadband!

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 18:13:50 -0400
From: Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cassette tapes

There was an interesting story from the Associated Press about how cassette
tapes are still avoiding the audio's grim reaper. Next thing you know,
someone will find 8-tracks being sold in some far away [removed]

[removed];sid=1210586#

Enjoy!

Regards
jww

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 22:23:07 -0400
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Pall Mall & other stuff

I am just back from 5 days in St Paul, and my Grandson's Wedding. On
Sunday, while drying out, I found the Hotel had 4 free computers.  I
caught up on my e-mail and OTR Digest. Was not on the I 35 bridge that
colapsed, nor was was any of my family.
I smoked Pall (as Paul) Mall ( like shopping Mall) They are milder
because they are longer, or words like that.  My mother used pell mell
to describe speed , The man ran "pell mell" down the street.

At 14 I smoked Chesterfield Cigarettes and when the King size were
introduced I smoke them too, more than 2 packs a day. They tasted so
good. In 1956 the doctors stuck a bronchial scope down into my lungs and
scared the hell out of me. So I quit on the way home from the hospital.

I wonder how many of you OTR collectors have programs with complete
cigarette commercials? Most of my sources edited out the cigarette
commerricals, because the radio stations would not allow [removed] Even the
JB Sportsmen Luckys singing commercials. were sometines eliminated.

How many OTR show were sponsored by Cigarettes Camels, Ralsgh, Old Gold,
Lucky Strike. Pall Mall, Phillip Morris.  My Wife remained me, when we
were flying home, that every air line use to gave free samples, in a
package of 3 or 4, cigarettes to smoke while you were in the air.

Maybe Jim Cox could write a  book," Cigarettes On The Air" or "The
yellow stained finges changed the Stations". A lot words would be used
just listing the programs that were sponsored by the various
manufacturers, and impact when radio & TV band cigarette commercials.

When we got married in 1951 our wedding presents in was 2 Rosen Sliver
plated Table cigarette lighters and glass cigarette box that had a copy
of our wedding invitation etched on the lid. We always had cigarettes
boxes on our coffee table for our guests. The power of advertising!
Don't know what happened to all the  ash trays , lighters and Cigarettes
boxes.

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