Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #289
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Date: 7/27/2002 9:03 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 289
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Ted Williams in WW2                   [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
  Gracie Allen Biography                [ Weisberg Mitchell D DLVA <WeisbergM ]
  Gracie Allen BIOGRAPHY                [ "Alec Cumming" <arack@[removed]; ]
  OTR on Cassettes (My Preference)      [ Mike Murphy <mjpmotr@[removed]; ]
  Border Radio                          [ "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed] ]
  OTR on cassette                       [ "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@[removed] ]
  Collectors and Listeners              [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  Re: REquest for play dates from Lind  [ "" <cooldown3@[removed]; ]
  tapes, mp3s                           [ dantrigg422@[removed] ]
  OTR Pet Names                         [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
  Forsythe Pendleton Jones              [ Derek Tague <derek@[removed]; ]
  Eddie Cantor CDs                      [ gad4@[removed] ]
  Baseball on Radio                     [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
  The Moving Finger, Having Writ, Move  [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Re:Fu Manchu                          [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
  Mystery Show                          [ Jack Benny <jackbenny@[removed]; ]
  Re: Right to Know                     [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
  David-OTR On Cassette                 [ lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed]; ]
  Gale Gordon-Help                      [ lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed]; ]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:32:05 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

  From Those Were the Days --

1947 - The Abe Burrows Show premiered on CBS.

Birthday's:

1906 - Gracie (Grace Ethel Cecile Rosalie) Allen; d. Aug 27, 1964

  Joe

--
Visit my home page:
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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:32:21 -0400
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ted Williams in WW2

Elizabeth posted a couple of days ago about ned martin seeing action in ww2
and indicated that ted also saw action. Im not sure that she was saying ted
served during that time or that he actually saw action. There were a few
baseball players that actually saw action in ww2, but i dont ted was among
them although he did, as did many other players, serve 2-3 years during that
war. I could be wrong on this, but i think this is correct.

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 11:32:13 -0400
From: Weisberg Mitchell D DLVA <WeisbergMD@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Gracie Allen Biography

Tonight on A&E at 8:00 eastern time, Biography will be doing a terrific hour
on Gracie Allen.  If you can't watch, set your VCR.

Mitchell Weisberg

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 12:31:24 -0400
From: "Alec Cumming" <arack@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Gracie Allen BIOGRAPHY

Apologies for the short notice, but you may want to keep an eye out for
tonight's BIOGRAPHY - "Gracie Allen: The Better Half"
([removed]) It's hosted by Janeane
Garofalo, and it's on at 8 pm EST tonight, and again at Midnight, on the A&E
cable network.

The Washington Post's Tom Shales does a fine write-up about the program
([removed]). He
namechecks the fantastic "College Swing"/"Big Broadcast of 1938" DVD - which
I adore - and warns that we shouldn't get our hopes up too high about this
particular episode: "Similarly, instead of clips from Gracie's films, which
have to be paid for, the documentary uses excerpts from the trailers, or
previews, which are believed to be in the public domain. That means that the
image quality is sub-par to terrible in some cases. But then, A&E does not
give the independent producers who make "Biography" episodes lavish budgets
to work with -- just the opposite. Within limits imposed, and considering
the complications involved in getting the rights to archival material, the
producers have done a very presentable and relatively comprehensive job."
He's right - BIOGRAPHY is almost always hobbled by rights issues. However,
maybe they'll do an OK job with the radio [removed] can hope, can't we?

Alec Cumming

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:17:45 -0400
From: Mike Murphy <mjpmotr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR on Cassettes (My Preference)

In response to the cassettes/mp3 "debate," I've been
collecting on cassettes for many years (more than I
care to remember), and I have no intention of
transferring my collection to mp3. With a full-time
job, a family, a dog, and a kitten, I simply don't
have the time. I might add some mp3s to my collection
in the future; now, I don't even have anything to play
them on!

   I'm not prejudiced towards mp3s. I've heard some
fine-sounding ones and some lousy-sounding ones. I've
also heard great-sounding and poor-sounding cassette
recordings. I don't think either medium is better than
the other -- they're simply different. Rather than
carry on the "debate," we should all direct our
energies to help this wonderful hobby prosper.

   Now, off my soapbox. . .

Mike

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 13:42:22 -0400
From: "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Border Radio

There is an interesting review of the book: "Border Radio- Quacks, Yodelers,
Pitchmen, Psychics and Other Amazing Broadcasters of the American Airwaves"
(by Gene Fowler and Bill Crawford).
about the border-blaster, Mexican radio stations' early history and their
programs.  It is at:
[removed]
available in hardcover and paperback.

Russ Butler  oldradio@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 14:40:10 -0400
From: "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR on cassette

David: I am sure you will get answers from different sides on this. Here is
my view. I am not dumping my cassettes for MP3s. I am adapting to the new
technologies, but I am not overreacting. Most of my OTR collection is on
cassette. I am not about to convert it all to CDs. In a few years CDs will
be replaced by something new again. I do a lot of trading with people around
the country almost exclusively in cassettes. Now bear in mind that as I type
this I am listening to Charlie Parker's saxophone via vinyl LP. My vinyl
collection is even bigger than my cassette collection. I wasn't about to
dump it when CDs came along. I plan to roll along as new things develop,
keeping the old and adding the new. I like cassettes because I can play them
in the car. No need to change. I suppose the day will come when they stop
making cassette players altogether, but that will be after I am dead and
gone. Enjoy your cassettes!

Mike Leannah

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 15:32:49 -0400
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Collectors and Listeners
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I've been reading the discussions regarding mp3 sales etc. and I am somewhat
conflicted because I very much understand the frustrations of serious
collectors especially those who invest a good amount of money only to see
their efforts result in either free distribution or the creation of a CD in
mp3 format which is sold for economic gain.

First of all I'm a collector only insofar as I try to get copies of shows that
I personally relate to from my radio years or have grown to appreciate later,
such as 'Johnny Dollar' and 'Gunsmoke' both of which were broadcasting when I
was no longer listening to the radio.

I began to buy from Radio Spirits which I felt was very high priced and that
in itself limited what I could buy which was very frustrating even though I
purchased the big sets at Costco at a greatly reduced price.

Just as I sell books I've purchased or for that matter any other item I've
purchased on ebay I've sold Radio Spirits collections and tapes so that I
could buy other items.   There is nothing wrong with this practice.    I am
also free to give away items I've purchased even if I give it to someone who
might make money on it.

I don't want to rip off anyone, but I am confused about copyright issues and
ownership issues and public domain issues.   I hope someone can help me sort
out the legal issues involved which are separate from what may be ethical
issues.

I must confess that I have been purchasing mp3format CDs of radio shows at
approximately $5/each for up to 70+ hours of shows in some cases.    Since I
am primarily a listener this was too tempting for me to ignore and I really
want to understand what exactly is wrong with it.    The quality is good for
my purposes and since I also enjoy audio books which are also highly priced I
have  joined [removed] and opted for a membership which gave me an
AudibleOtis player free.  (It comes with 64mb of memory which allows for about
20 hours of audible and it also allows for a memory upgrade to 128mb which
will allow for up to 40 hours of audible.)

I'm going to be flying to Europe in about a week and will be happily listening
to up to 40 hours of radio programs on flights and vacation.    I am too weak
to not take advantage of this possibility because I know just how much
enjoyment I will experience in sharp contrast to the packed and tight space in
which I will be traveling.

This is my [removed] and as someone who still won't tear the label off a
matress, my possible dilemma.

Irene
IreneTH@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 16:51:09 -0400
From: "" <cooldown3@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: REquest for play dates from Linda

I saw a website you have written to at
[removed]
which discusses shows of Father Coughlin.
I have just come across a few of those but cannot find any logs with dates
to use for this series. Can you be of any assistance?
Thanks,
Patrick

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:27:41 -0400
From: dantrigg422@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  tapes, mp3s
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To answer Davids question about OTR radio and tapes, I mainly collect
cassetts, sometimes CDs and have even bought a few open reels even though I
don't have an open reel player. As long as they keep selling these formats
that is the way I will go.

It's a matter of choice, and you do what you feel is right for you.

Sincerely,
Dan

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:28:05 -0400
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR Pet Names

"Ron Vickery" <RVICKERY@[removed]; asked:

Does anyone else out their have a pet named for a character or
show from this wonderful hobby?

Well, I, for one, have a pit bull named Tige.

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:42:32 -0400
From: Derek Tague <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Forsythe Pendleton  Jones

Hi Gang;

   Occasionally in the Archie comic books, there is reference to Jughead's
real given name of "Forsythe P. Jones," usually invoked by Jughead's mom or by
teacher Miss Grundy. Would anyone (including Hall Stone) know, off-hand, if
Jughead's given name was ever referred to on the Archie radio programme, and
if so, was it Forsythe?

Yours in  the ether,

Derek Tague

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 18:54:03 -0400
From: gad4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Eddie Cantor CDs

As to the reader who is asking anyone for a copy of Eddie Cantor's unaired
show when President Roosevelt took over the airwaves, ditto for me, I am
seeking a copy, and I have a respectful holding to chose from in trade.   I
am also seeking Eddie Cantor broadcasts from the 30's and late to early 30's
and 40s, anyone?  I trade in cds, both mp3 and WAV.   Thanks, Jim Faulkner

Please forgive me for being out of place on this topic. But this particular
set is available from Brian Gari as a pre recorded cd.  I realize that many
do trade material, and in no way am I saying that that is wrong. In this
particular case however, Brian  (Eddie's grandson) has put money into this
particular product. He is not a large corporation. He only has a list of a
few shows out which he has invested heavily into cleaning and releasing
professionally.

On these particular shows, I kinda support the idea of buying this from
Brian as a way of remembering his grandfather and giving back to him. I have
a couple sets that I bought from him. I have not put them in mp3 for this
reason. If someone is in a hardship situation, or Brian decides he doesnt
want to release anymore, that will be a different story. But I hope that we
all support him and also let him know personally we'd like to see more as we
are able.

George

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 20:03:25 -0400
From: Grbmd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Baseball on Radio

Elizabeth admitted to being raised as a Boston Red Sox fan, and then added
"If you read Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on her childhood as a Brooklyn
Dodger fan, it's exactly the same thing -- only old Dodger fans can even
begin to understand what it's like for us up here. It's not a game. It's
religion."

I'm an old Brooklyn Dodgers fan, and I can agree that the fans were, well,
fanatical, win or lose.  "Wait'll next year" was heard almost every year.

Someone -- it may have been Duke Snider in his book -- said that in Brooklyn
during the baseball season you could walk along the street and not miss a
single play during a game.  Almost every house would have a radio on, which
you could hear through the open windows, one house after the other.

Spence Coleman

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:19:09 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Moving Finger, Having Writ, Moves On

George (gad4@[removed]), commenting upon my observation that the
scripts for the Ovaltine-sponsored OTR serials, noted,

It's really a shame that items which we know about could be destroyed
so quickly in such a recent time. I'm hoping Steven or someone had the
opportunity to make copies of these scripts. Were any copies of these
saved? In hindsite, was there anything we could have done differently?

Well, I don't believe that at the time I saw them, anybody at Ovaltine
thought they might be scrapped.  (They even went so far as to
print-advertise a few premiums in the mid to late 1980s.)  And, no: I
wasn't allowed to copy the scripts; just take notes.

But one of the main reasons I wrote my book was to preserve many of the
original stories.  Space restrictions prevented me from going into all
the bypaths in the OTR shows, but I was able to preserve the main
stories.  If there is sufficient demand to convince the publishers, I'll
write the sequel, bringing the main stories up to the close of the 1949
serial adventures.

Regrettably, hindsight is 20-20.  Had I but known, I would have said to
my contacts at Ovaltine, "If you ever decide to throw them out, please
let me know.  I'll make a home for them."  But the reason we didn't do
differently is because we couldn't have known.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 22:32:46 -0400
From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:Fu Manchu

In issue 288 Ted wrote a great posting on the subject and really said it
all.  Thanks Ted.

Ian Grieve

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:02:46 -0400
From: Jack Benny <jackbenny@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Mystery Show

Hello all I'm looking for a radio program, probably CBSRMT in which two
people are trapped in a snow bound town with no means of escape. It turns
out they are trapped in a snow globe. Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Scott Palmer
Sterling Heights,MI
jackbenny@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 23:29:59 -0400
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Right to Know
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Bryan;
     A nicely written response sir. I don't tend to
agree with the concept of the public's right to know
as concerns entertainers, but I don't argue with you
conclusion regarding the benefits a tasteful
discussion might have; as long as it doesn't violate
the wishes of the individual under discussion.
              Be well
               Larry Albert

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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:50:44 -0400
From: lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  David-OTR On Cassette
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David- I still collect OTR on cassette.  After12 years of collecting on
cassette it's still my perfered method.  Like you I like to listen to my
shows in the car and at work.  I am lucky enough to have a computer at home,
but untill 2 years ago I did every thing by typewriter and by hand.  I can't
imagine changing over to CD or MP3 with the thousands of shows I already
own!!   There's alot to be said for the issue of storage and cost but there
are still ALOT of people out there trading, lending and selling on cassette.
I don't have any plans to change over in the near future, I am waiting to see
what new technology will come next.  A lot of people think that cassette will
die out like reel-to-reel but I don't think it will happen any where in the
near future!!!  Lynn

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Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2002 00:50:58 -0400
From: lynn wagar <philcolynn@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Gale Gordon-Help
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Hello Everyone!!   I am working on a story about Gale Gordon.  Several
resources have him listed as being on two shows that I can not find any
information on.  I tryed the John Dunning book with no luck.  Information I
am looking for is. Part played, type of show, dates show ran and any little
tid bits I can find.  Here are the two shows I am looking for:

The Coronet Show

Star Theater- It is listed just "Star Theater"

If anyone can lend a hand it would be greatly appreciated!!

Lynn

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