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Date: 11/21/2003 6:10 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 420
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: The GOLD Index                    [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  Armed Forces Radio Today              [ ERIC COOPER <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
  Hal's kinescope post                  [ Mark Reesor <mrees@[removed]; ]
  kinescopes                            [ "Mike Mackey" <[removed]@[removed] ]
  looking for excellent "country road2  [ "Christian Blees" <journalistenbuer ]
  "Watching" OTR and color              [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
  Re:I'm losing it.                     [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  CBS Radio WNR story on JFK            [ Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed]; ]
  Bob Hastings                          [ "Michael Brady" <mbrady@[removed]; ]
  Today in radio history -- weekend ed  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Dick Curless                          [ "Phil Watson" <possum@[removed] ]
  Hartford no longer the insurance cap  [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
  Marconi Museum                        [ "RBB" <oldradio@[removed]; ]
  Radio's Greatest Year                 [ "Steve McGuffin" <smcguffin@[removed] ]
  11-22 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Where can one find good-sounding 30   [ "Tim Hughes" <rekokut@[removed]; ]

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:49:09 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: The GOLD Index

At 10:45 AM 11/20/2003, you wrote:

This made me wonder if there are recordings that no one (No
collectors or LOC)  would have that would be in the SOLE possession of
[removed] In otherwords, would there be recordings that MEdiabay archives
have exclusive possession of ?

This is certainly possible. From Radio Spirits and Radio Yesteryear there
were a number of shows that probably were never marketed. I can't identify
specific ones, but I do know, for example, that they had a copy of an
episode from Exploring Tomorrow that for a long time I had never heard
until I found someone who happened to have gotten it from Radio Spirits
when Carl Amari owned it.

Now, unless you either find someone who has the episode (continuing with
this example) or if MediaBay ever includes it in some commercial offering
(not always likely) then it might not circulate easily. In the case of
possible programs that just aren't currently commercially feasible that are
not in general circulation, most likely MediaBay will not offer it and we
might not see it for a long time.

Even Dave Goldin does not sell copies of his collection and unless you have
something he really needs, then you might not ever get anything from him. I
believe the stipulation he was under when he sold Radio Yesteryear was that
if he had copies of the discs, then he was not allowed to market them. He
did do a service, of course, by providing the database on-line and free of
charge.

Jim Widner
[removed]

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Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:29:51 -0500
From: ERIC COOPER <[removed]@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Armed Forces Radio Today

Much like domestic radio, Armed Forces Radio mainly
exists today in the form of local ARRTS radio stations
with individualized formats (Country, Rock, etc)
supplemented by locally produced newscasts, plus CBS,
ABC and NPR news. I believe there are a couple of
"best of the Golden Age of Radio" type shows (a la
Frank Bresee) still floating around in AFRTS land but
the vast majority of programming is indistinguishable
from what we hear in the [removed] Rush Limbaugh, All
Things Considered and football/baseballs games are
also carried. Alas, like in the US, things like
Command Performance, just wouldn't fit their format
any more.

Eric Cooper

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:17:15 -0500
From: Mark Reesor <mrees@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Hal's kinescope post

I found Hal Stone's kinescope post absolutely fascinating, but I want
more! How's the new book coming along Hal?

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:50:38 -0500
From: "Mike Mackey" <[removed]@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  kinescopes

Like Kermyt Anderson, I've enjoyed the discussion about kinescopes. I
didn't know I knew so little about them.

I think, however, that kinescopes have gotten an undeserved bad
reputation, not because the kinescope quality wasn't really all that
poor--because they certainly were, but rather because the implication
is that there was some other alternative. When it came to live
television, there simply wasn't. This criticism is similar to the
complaints often heard from the uninformed about the sometimes poor
quality transcriptions we have from the 30s and 40s.  Kinescopes,
like the old transcription disks may not necessarily be great, but
they do exist and without them we would have no record of early live
television at all.  Since OTR folk tend to be history buffs, this is
probably a common view among us.

 It's too bad more of this type of historical record doesn't exist
today.  I seem to recall when I was a kid watching I've Got a Secret
that Garry Moore  took a personal shot at a network vice president
because he (the VP) had ordered the destruction of thousands of early
kinescopes in the name of saving space. This story is similar, of
course, to the stories we've all heard about the destruction of
transcription disks. Is my memory correct? (I was about 10 years old,
I think.) Does anyone else know anything more?

Mike

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:51:33 -0500
From: "Christian Blees" <journalistenbuero@[removed];
To: "OTR digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  looking for excellent "country road2 copy

dear friends,

I'm looking for an excellent audio copy of the suspense show "on a
country road", starring cary grant - if . is there anybody out there who
is willing to support a German otr fan (if there is such an excellent
copy in existance, of course)?  please mail me off list. thank you!

christian

Christian Blees
journalistenbuero@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:52:15 -0500
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "Watching" OTR and color

Timothy Clough asks "In what color do other people "watch" OTR in?"
Really good question.
I started listening to radio shows as a small child, before we got a
television set, around 1951.
If I remember right, I always "saw" the stories in color, same as when we
went to the neighborhood theaters and watched second-run and 'B' movies
shown in black & white: we sorta "translated" the images into color,
because we knew what they were supposed to look like.
(I wonder if we responded to certain verbal queues: jungle = green; ruby =
red; sky = blue; fog = gray/white; desert = brown; etc.)
One thing sticks in my memory: Listening to Amos & Andy, I could never get
the color for "Sapphire" right: I knew the character was named for a jewel,
[removed] was it red or blue?

Herb Harrison

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:55:18 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:I'm losing it.

I must be getting old and feeble minded. In my recent posting about the
tie-in between Kinescopes (film transfers) and the advent of Videotape, I
mentioned that making a film copy of a videotape commercial was necessary
for distribution purposes, seeing as how many TV stations in the smaller
markets were slow to purchase the expensive early 2 inch Videotape machines.

But I left out another major reasons why TV commercials that were shot on
Videotape had to be transferred to 16mm film. And this practice continued
right on up into the 80's and beyond, when practically all TV stations were
equipped with Videotape machines by then.

Can anybody guess the culprit?

The first (time dated) correct answer to that question will receive a free
copy of my book "Aw! Relax, Archie! Re-Laxx!.

The second place (time dated) correct answer will receive an 8X10
autographed picture of me wearing that stupid Jughead beanie.

(You were expecting maybe better prizes?) Like first place gets an all
expense paid one week visit to Philadelphia, and second place gets to spend
two weeks there?

The rules of the contest are simple. In four words or less, send me an
e-mail  (off list) with the correct answer. I promise to be ethical, and
will award these valuable? "prizes" to the 2 earliest correct responses.
Rest assured, this contest is not open to my friends and relatives, (or our
revered list-master) and in the case of ties, (time of e-mail sent)
duplicate prizes will be awarded.

Any correct answer over four words long will be disqualified.

I will immediately post the winning entry here on the digest, and will
enlighten you with the truth behind this dumb practice.

By the way. The only thing OTR related about this contest is that the
"Culprit" existed back in the days of radio as well. To quote Senator
Claghorn! "That's a [removed] [removed]'s a hint, Son!!!"

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:56:25 -0500
From: Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  CBS Radio WNR story on JFK

This Friday morning, 21-Nov-2003, the story on the CBS Radio World News
Roundup with Christopher Glenn included some segments on the 40th
anniversary on the assassination of Kennedy.

They ran segments of the KBOX Radio "recreation" tape of a reporter who
sounded like he was on a phone or reporting via a 2-way radio (with that
fuzzy sounding audio), interviewed some people in Dallas especially the
vendors around Dealy Plaza, and played Cronkite's CBS *TELEVISION*
announcement that Kennedy was confirmed dead.

While an accurate report, WHY couldn't they have played a segment of the
CBS *RADIO* news coverage with Alan Jackson (no relation to the C&W singer
of today, but who *IS* the dad of long-time but now retired(?) CBS Radio
news anchor David Jackson)... Alan Jackson anchored a good deal of the
CBS *RADIO* news coverage that Friday afternoon forty years ago,
Fri-22-Nov-1963, and he did the several initial CBS RAD))|((O NetALERT
Bulletins that broke into local affiliates' programming between 1:30 and
2:00pm EST that day.

IMO, it would have been *BETTER* for the CBS *RADIO* World News Roundup
this morning, forty years later, to have played such CBS *RADIO* segments
which also should have included the 1960s-era (pre-organ 1970s-era)
CBS  Radio news [removed] that "stuttering teletype" [removed]

Mark J. Cuccia
mcuccia@[removed]
New Orleans LA CSA

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:56:52 -0500
From: "Michael Brady" <mbrady@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bob Hastings
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As I normally lurk, and as a digest doesn't seem to go by without mentioning
this stalwart's name, I thought I'd do it myself this time.  I just got done
watching Batman:  Mystery of the Batwoman, and Bob does his usual stellar
performance as Commissioner Gordon.  Having done the character on the WB
productions since 1993, I always thought he lent a lot of class to the shows.
This latest movie out on dvd is no exception.

thanks Bob!
Michael Brady

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:57:03 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history -- weekend edition

 From Those Were The Days --

11/21

1938 - WBOE in Cleveland, OH became the first school-operated radio
station (owned by a municipality) to receive a license from the FCC.
WBOE went on the air as a 500-watt AM station and later became an FM
station.

1938 - The first broadcast of Central City was heard. It was an
adventure-mystery show set at the newspaper in, you guessed it, Central
City. Elspeth Eric played the part of crime reporter Emily Olson; and
Van Heflin was crime reporter Bob Shellenberger (later, the part was
played by Myron McCormick). Central City aired until 1941.

1944 - "Happy trails to you, until we meet [removed]" The Roy Rogers
Show was first heard on the Mutual Broadcasting System. Singing along
with Roy (The King of the Cowboys'), were the Whippoorwills and The Sons
of the Pioneers.

11/22

1906 - Delegates attending the Berlin Radiotelegraphic Conference in
Germany voted to use SOS (...[removed]) as the letters for the new
international signal. The international use of "SOS" was ratified in
1908. Its meaning? No, not "Save Our Ship" or "Save Our Souls" as many
believe. Its only meaning was as a distress signal, quick to transmit by
Morse code and not easily misread. It is not an acronym. Incidentally,
how did SOS pads come to use the same initials? They're named after a
patented process, Soap on Steel.

11/23

1929 - Shirley Booth and Ed Gardner were married on this day. Miss Booth
was famous for her television acting role ("Hazel"); but we remember
when she and her husband played Miss Duffy and Archie on Duffy's Tavern.

1958 - One of the last drama programs on radio debuted. It was unusual
in that it followed the TV show of the same name. Have Gun Will Travel
was broadcast on CBS and starred John Dehner as Paladin.

Joe

--
Visit my homepage:  [removed]~[removed]

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:51:08 -0500
From: "Phil Watson" <possum@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Dick Curless

"Bob Taylor" qth4@[removed] asked about the great deep-voiced country
singer  Dick Curless on AFKN:and asked if any recordings of his show
survived.

Some early Korean radio appearances, some Arthur Godfrey show appearances,
his early 78s on minor labels and the first part of his Tower and Capitol
recordings are on "Hard Hard Travelling Man", a 7-CD boxed set on Bear
Family Records out of Germany. I used to have this set and it was a
wonderful tribute to a great artist. A second set completed his recording
career. Look at [removed] and search under
C to see the details.

Regards from England.
Phil

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:18:11 -0500
From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Hartford no longer the insurance capital

My wife emailed me this link this morning, noting that
it raises questions for whether Johnny Dollar would
have to relocate:
[removed];ei=1&en=942f26736d8cc8a0

Kermyt

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 12:00:48 -0500
From: "RBB" <oldradio@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Marconi Museum

There is a local eviction issue in Bedford, NH where the Marconi Museum
building is at risk.  Some members of the Town Council want to break the
museum's fifteen year lease on the building.  A meeting was held on November
19th of supporters who are concerned with losing the museum's rich history
of broadcasting.  More details and information contact Ray Minchello, museum
founder and curator raymin@[removed]
or visit [removed]

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:33:51 -0500
From: "Steve McGuffin" <smcguffin@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Radio's Greatest Year
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I think this is a really intriguing and thought provoking question.  My
initial thought was 1946 or 47.  Jack Benny had evolved into the
"formula" that we all seem to love so well, Fred Allen was going strong,
longtime favorites like Suspense were on the air.  But when I thought
about it, 1938 really made sense me to me.  The Mercury Theater began
and made quite an impact, Fred and Jack and their "feud", the Lone
Ranger.  One of my very favorite shows, Information Please, made its
debut that year.  News seemed to mature (regardless of which network was
better or who was scooping whom) and people seem to have become
increasingly trustful of it.  So, I'll go along with the argument and
cast my vote for 1938.  Great question!

Steve

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 15:45:28 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  11-22 births/deaths

November 22nd births

11-22-1899 - Hoagy Carmichael - Bloomington, IN - d. 12-27-1981
singer, composer: "Hoagy Carmichael Show"; "King"s Men"
11-22-1904 - Roland Winters - Boston, MA - d. 10-22-1989
actor: Russell Bartlett "My Best Girls"; "Milton Berle Show"; "Highways in
Melody"
11-22-1907 - Howard Petrie - Beverly, MA - d. 3-24-1968
announcer: "Jimmy Durante Show"; "Judy Canova Show"
11-22-1924 - Geraldine Page - Kirksville, MO - d. 6-13-1987
actress: "Arch Obler"s Plays"

November 22nd deaths

01-04-1905 - Sterling Holloway - Cedartown, GA - d. 11-22-1992
actor: "Railroad Hour"; "[removed] Steel Hour"; "Suspense"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
05-29-1917 - John F. Kennedy - Brookline, MA - d. 11-22-1963
[removed] president: "CBS Radio Workshop"; "Kennedy-Nixon Debates"; "American Forum
of the Air"
08-05-1914 - Parley Baer - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 11-22-2002
actor: Chester Wesley Proudfoot "Gunsmoke"; Doc Clemmens "Rogers of the
Gazette"
08-17-1893 - Mae West - Brooklyn, NY - d. 11-22-1980
actress: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show" (Famous Adam and Eve Skit)
12-31-1897 - Paula Hemminghous - Columbus, OH - d. 11-22-1997
singer: "Philco Hour"; "National Radio Pulpit"; "Highlights of the Bible"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 20:13:45 -0500
From: "Tim Hughes" <rekokut@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Where can one find good-sounding  30 minute
 Nick Carters and Inner Sanctum?

Hi!

Does anyone know where one can find very good sounding lo-gen Nick Carters
and Inner Sanctums?  I'm especially looking for the '48-50 season (30 min.)
Nick Carters.  BEWARE; a lot of the mp3s of Nick Carter that are labeled to
be from that time frame are really Our Miss Brooks.
  Anyway, I am looking for said shows on audio CD, please.

So far, the only Nick Carters that I had found in great sound (well, lo-gen
at least, it had surface noise) in was the R$ CD of the Month back when they
had those, and Ed Carr.  A lot of the Nick Carters floating around are
edited and really horrid sounding, unfortunately.

Did the First Generation people ever do a project on either of these series?

Also, Inner Sanctum is also very hard to find in lo-gen sound.

Thanks again!
Tim

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