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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2008 : Issue 88
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  The Ev and Charlie Show               [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
  You Bet Your Life                     [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
  I Love A Bandleader (1945)            [ John Olsen <jrolsen2@[removed]; ]
  Vendors at Cincy                      [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
  Doc Savage Radio Shows                [ ilamfan@[removed] (S Jansen) ]
  Re: The Bride Came [removed]             [ Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed]; ]
  Re: Joe Palooka radio show            [ FabFicBks@[removed] ]
  KFWB RAdio Station                    [ cxm <cxm@[removed]; ]
  Nonsense and Melody and Transcriptio  [ rand@[removed] ]
  Re: The Bride Came [removed]              [ "Paula Keiser" <pkeiser1@[removed]; ]
  FW: Yes, there was and still is a re  [ "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@sbcglob ]
  Re: fenestration and radio lab        [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  re: Nobody defenestrated himself      [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
  Re: The Bride Came [removed]             [ Michael Hayde <mikeh0714@[removed]; ]
  KFWB Radio                            [ "Paul Thompson" <beachcrows@sbcglob ]
  4-7 births/deaths                     [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  KFWB                                  [ "Tim Lones" <tlones1@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:44:21 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Ev and Charlie Show

Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 08:57:53 -0400
From: "Bob C" <rmc44@[removed];

If Derek says there was such a radio show by the Senate and House
minority leaders, I'll take his word for it. But, in fact, I believe
that was only a joking reference to the two men's press conferences
when they appeared to present the Republican position on various
Democratic policies and legislation ... akin to a "dog and pony show"
but without the dog and pony.

I recall the press referring to the leadership of Senator Everett
Dirkson and Representative Charles Hallack as the "Ev and Charlie
Show," not necessarily referring to any specific broadcast.

After the 1964 election, the Republicans started doing a reply to the
President's State of the Union and other major addresses, and that
was done by the Republican House and Senate leaders.  But when the
new Congress convened in 1965, Gerald Ford defeated Hallack for the
Republican leadership in the House.  I recall reading newspaper
columns at that time referring to the "Ev and Jerry Show."

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 92 State Street, Suite 700                   Fax [removed]
Boston, MA 02109-2004           	         [removed]

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:45:05 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  You Bet Your Life

Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 07:43:33 -0400
From: etorch@[removed]

I know CBS and NBC attempted to market everything from the audio
tracks of I Love Lucy to You Bet Your Life as separate radio
episodes, but was never aware of What's My Line on OTR.

You Bet Your life WAS a radio show.  It started that way in 1947.  It
didn't become a television show until 1950.  It was always more than
just the sound track of the TV show.  George Fenneman would start the
radio show telling the audience what the secret word was (since they
couldn't read the duck's sign), Groucho would say "Really?"  And
George would say, "You Bet Your Life."  Groucho sometimes did
separate commercials for the radio show, too.

I was unaware that the I Love Lucy sound track was ever on radio, but
it wouldn't surprise me.

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 09:45:31 -0400
From: John Olsen <jrolsen2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  I Love A Bandleader (1945)

Phil Harris and Rochester star in "I Love A Bandleader" (1945) airing on
Turner Classic Movies at 11:15 PM (Pacific) on April 21st.  That would
be 2:15 AM (Eastern) on April 22nd, for some of you.  Phil and Rochester
are housepainters.  Phil is hit on the head [removed] (you can see this
coming) loses his memory.  He believes he's a bandleader, and achieves
wild acclaim.  Sounds like a fun movie.

So here's your heads-up to plan ahead.  See Rochester sing!  See Phil
lead the band!

John

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:43:23 -0400
From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Vendors at Cincy

Martin Grams writes,

If the vendors want to sell something, they SHOULD
support the convention by paying for a vendor table and set up like
everyone else. The sale of the vendor tables helps Bob out greatly.

The only problem with this is that the Cincy's dealer's room is small,
and tables sell out quickly.  It's not that other vendors are trying to
avoid the cost of a table, it's that there are no tables available to
them to rent.

---Dan

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:59:18 -0400
From: ilamfan@[removed] (S Jansen)
To: [removed]@[removed] (OTR Bulletin Board)
Subject:  Doc Savage Radio Shows

To any vendors going to the Cincy Convention -

I was going to try again this year to find some high-quality recordings of
the Doc Savage radio show.  Several vendors have mentioned that they had
them, but didn't bring [removed] had the shows, but they were the same
quality as the crummy ones floating about the internet.

If you happen to have these great shows in high quality, could you bring them
and sell them to the goofy guy with the goatee (that's me)?  I'm sure that
there would be other convention-goers who would be interested in the show,
[removed]

Thanks very much!

See you in Cincy!

Stephen Jansen

8^)#

--
Old Time Radio never dies - it just changes formats!

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 10:59:14 -0400
From: Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: The Bride Came [removed]

Martin Grams, Jr. wonders

if there was a real KFWB or if the station (I assume) was fictional
and WB might have been an in-joke for Warner Bros.

Well, as anyone in Southern California could tell you
(and many probably will) KFWB was (and is?) quite real
and was at the time owned by Warner Brothers.
Eventually, it came under the ownership of
Crowell-Collier, publisher of Collier's magazine,
along with stations KDWB in Minneapolis and KEWB,
Oakland-San Francisco, the station I listened to in
high school. I still recall Gary Owens on that station
with his "insult thy neighbor" bit in which he urged
listeners to put their radios in an open window and
turn up the volume, at which time he would shout funny
derogatory remarks about the neighbor. Of course, at
that time, it was all very clean and innocent. I
shudder to think what would come out if someone did
that bit today.

Alan

_________________
Alan/Linda Bell
Grand Rapids, MI

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:32:21 -0400
From: FabFicBks@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Joe Palooka radio show

I hate to pick on Joe Mackay and his Those Were the  Days weekly feature;
however his comment about the Joe Palooka radio show is  incorrect.  The comic
strip came first, starting up in April of 1930.   The radio show which
premiered
in 1932 was a direct result of the comic strip's  nationwide popularity (and
the promotional efforts of its creator, Ham  Fisher).  The first of a long
series of Joe Palooka films was issued in  1934.  The radio show apparently
did
not have such universal appeal;  enduring only as a summer series that left
the
air in late August 1932.
    I have been puzzled about that for a long  time.  Why would a comic strip
as popular as Joe Palooka be able to make it  in the movies covering several
decades (including some truly awful films), and  as a syndicated TV series,
yet not make a success as a radio show.  To the  best of my knowledge only
this
1932 effort was ever tried on radio.   Anybody know if there are any of those
programs are out there for   collectors to hear?

---Bob Jennings

[ADMINISTRIVIA: Just a reminder, Joe doesn't write those pieces instead
acquiring them from elsewhere, so they aren't really "his" comments.  --cfs3]

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:32:52 -0400
From: cxm <cxm@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  KFWB RAdio Station

KFWB went on the air in 1925, and one of it's founders was Sam Warner,
so you are right there is a Warner Brothers connection.

In the 60s KFWB was one of the leading rock & roll stations.  Today it
is an all news station.

There is a good history of the station at: [removed]

V/r

Chuck

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:34:26 -0400
From: rand@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Nonsense and Melody and Transcription Collection Questions

I've been a very active record collector for many years and recently
decided to combine it with my interest in OTR, obtaining a Transcriptor II
turntable and seeking out transcription discs.

I've managed to pick up a few things on ebay and find some locally through
Craigslist, concentrating on more obscure or esoteric material.  I have a
few questions for others on the list that might collect the discs.

First off, does anyone have info about a mid-1930s syndicated show called
"Nonsense and Melody"?  I picked up ten discs (20 shows) in this series on
ebay and have enjoyed them a great deal.  It's basically a 15 minute
comedy variety show that takes place on a cruise ship - it features snappy
patter and popular tunes typical of Depression era radio.  Most of the
discs are red vinyl repressings from Broadcaster's Program Syndicate, but
one was an original shellac pressing from Transco.  Were they still
syndicating this thing in the 40s?  It would seem to sound very dated by
then.

I'm also wondering about a few general questions about collecting these
types of discs:

-For those of you that have a larger collection, do you have a system for
arranging them?  It seems tougher than arranging an lp collection that can
be sorted by artist or a similar system.

-Do AFRS discs always sound so dreadful?  I know they did disc dubbing in
order to edit the shows, but even with compensating for the EQ curves in
different ways, it seems like most of these sound very compressed.

-Is it common to run into several shows from a single AFRS series?  Has
anyone gotten a substantial run or complete set of an AFRS show?

-I'm particularly interested in non-circulating or less well known
syndicated shows or public service programs with historical interest.
(One set I ran into, for example, is an interesting piece on polio
research.)  Do you think there would be interest among OTR enthusiasts if
I posted the shows on a blog or other outlet?

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:13:49 -0400
From: "Paula Keiser" <pkeiser1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: The Bride Came [removed]

Martin Grams asked if KFWB was a real station.  Indeed, it WAS a real Radio
station, owned by Warner Brothers.  To quote Wikipedia:

"The station's history goes back to 1925 when it was launched by Sam Warner,
the founder of Warner Brothers. The station launched the careers of such
stars as Ronald Reagan and Bing Crosby. The station was the first to
broadcast the annual Rose Parade in Pasadena, California."

Read more at [removed](AM)

Paula Keiser
Topeka, KS

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 14:14:21 -0400
From: "Jim Hilliker" <jimhilliker@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  FW: Yes, there was and still is a real KFWB!

Hi, everybody!

To answer Martin Grams' question about the radio station featured in the
band remote from the film "The Bride Came [removed]", YES, KFWB was a real
radio station, which was founded by the Warner Brothers Motion Picture
Studio in Hollywood at their original Sunset Blvd. location on March 4,
1925.  In 1929, the station relocated to Hollywood Blvd after the studio
moved to its new studio site in Burbank.

Warner Brothers owned KFWB from 1925 until they sold it around 1951. The
call letters were not chosen to stand for anything in particular, but by
coincidence, the movie studio was assigned the call letters KFWB in
sequential order. Stations in 1925 were given call letters that started in
the west with KF, and the WB just happend to come up.  Later, the studio
probably took advantage of this luck and said the WB stood for Warner
[removed]'ve seen other stories that said the calls stood for "Keep
Filming, Warner Brothers" or for the "Four Warner Brothers", but I've never
seen any concrete evidence that this was the case.

KFWB is still on the air in Los Angeles today after 83 years and has been
broadacsting an all-news format since 1968.

I know that from time to time, Warner Brothers put their radio station into
certain movies, and the KFWB microphone even turned up in some of the old
1930s Porky Pig cartoons and maybe other Warner Bros. cartoons.

By the way, also inside the Hollywood Blvd. building where KFWB studios were
in the 1930s and '40s was the Warners' Theater, owned by the [removed]
would often broadcast movie premiere ceremonies when a new Warner Bros.
picture would come [removed] have an [removed] Times article about one in 1934 for
the premiere of "Dames" with Dick Powell and Ruby Keeler, with KFWB
microphones at the opening of the movie at the Warners Theatre.

Here's a true story.  A former KFWB news reporter who recently died wrote in
[removed] about 5 years ago, that he was once covering a press party in
Hollywood in the early [removed] owner/founder Jack Warner, who was then
near the end of his life, walked past Gary [removed] then saw the KFWB
microphone flag, went up to Gary and said, "Hey.  You're from KFWB!  We used
to own you guys!!"  And Warner then walked away from him.  I wrote a long
piece on KFWB's history in 2005 for LARADIO, and the station had a very
interesting history while owned by the movie studio.

Jim Hilliker
Monterey, CA

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 15:05:22 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: fenestration and radio lab

According to the program the term fenestrated comes from the German
meaning  hole.

Actually, it comes from the Latin "fenestratus" which refers to openings
or colloquially "windows."

"Defenestrate" is a colloquially used word and is legitimate - meaning
to "eject from a window."

As far as WOTW is concerned I would again recommend  listening to the
WNYC radio lab program.

While I found the Radio Lab WOTW interesting, I got a little upset with
the somewhat flip way they treated the subject. I tried to realize they
had to appeal to possibly a non-otr group to hold interest, but both the
host (can't recall his name) and Robert Krolwich (spelling?) got on my
nerves occasionally.

Jim Widner

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:01:40 -0400
From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  re: Nobody defenestrated himself

Larry Moore asked about the word "defenestrate". He has probably
received many responses to this already, but I'll chime in. I learned
this word in the 7th grade in French class, and it's stuck with me ever
since. (Our French teacher also taught Latin.) The Latin word for
window is, more or less, fenestre (or something similar). (The French
word for window is "fenetre," if I'm remembering correctly.) To
defenestrate oneself means to throw oneself out the window (de = out of
+ fenestrate = window). The noun form is "defenestration." (Which, to
bring in another radio connection, was the opening word once on the
long-running BBC radio series "My Word." I have that episode
someplace.)

Who said education is a waste?

Kermyt

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:01:51 -0400
From: Michael Hayde <mikeh0714@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: The Bride Came [removed]

Martin Grams Jr. asked:

I was wondering if there was a real KFWB
or if the station (I assume) was fictional
and WB might have been an in-joke for Warner Bros.

I'll join in the flood of replies: KFWB Los Angeles
did indeed exist - and it was owned by Warner Bros.!
The station, I believe, was housed at Warner's Sunset
Boulevard lot (as was the Leon Schlesinger Cartoon
Studio) and remained there even after the Brothers
Warner relocated to Burbank.  The "FWB" stood for
"Frequency Warner Brothers."  When Warner's got out of
the radio business, the station was sold to
Westinghouse Broadcasting - who clearly saw no need to
change the call letters!

You'll see KFWB mentioned in many Warner movies of the
'30's and '40's - including the Looney Tunes.

Michael

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 20:02:12 -0400
From: "Paul Thompson" <beachcrows@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  KFWB Radio

Martin Grams asked if KFWB was a real radio station and if there was
any connection to Warner Brothers (WB in call letters)?

In a [removed] yes and yes. KFWB was started in the mid 1920's by Sam
Warner and the FWB in the call letters were used to indicate the Four
Warner Brothers. The transmitter and broadcast studios were actually
located on the Warner Brothers lot in the very beginning but were
moved early on. The station has changed ownership many times over the
years but has remained a well known southern California radio voice at
980 kz for many years. It is currently a CBS radio affiliate with an
all news format. Their web page is a good online news source.

Paul Thompson

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:52:52 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  4-7 births/deaths

April 7th births

04-07-1878 - Bert Swor - Paris, TN - d. 11-30-1943
comedian: "Modern Mistrels"; "Bicycle Party"
04-07-1893 - Irene Castle - New Rochelle, NY - d. 1-25-1969
actor: Best Dressed Woman "Life of Irene Castle"; "Twenty Questions"
04-07-1895 - Bert Wheeler - Paterson, NJ - d. 1-18-1968
comedian: "Frank Sinatra Show"; "New Old Gold Show"
04-07-1897 - Walter Winchell - NYC - d. 2-20-1972
news-gossip caster: "Lucky Strike Dance Hour"; "Jergens Journal"
04-07-1899 - Robert Casadesus - Paris, France - d. 9-19-1972
pianist: "Telephone Hour"; "Oklahoma City Symphony Orchestra"
04-07-1900 - Maria "Gamby" Gambarelli - La Spezia, Italy - d. 2-4-1990
ballerina, singer: "Roxy's Gang"; "Dance with Gamby"
04-07-1901 - Gavin Gordon - Chicora, MS - d. 4-7-1983
actor: Doctor Norfolk "Brenthouse"
04-07-1905 - Murray Bolen - Minnesota - d. 10-22-1995
producer, director: "Father Knows Best"; "Mayor of the Town";
"Railroad Hour"
04-07-1908 - Percy Faith - Toronto, Canada - d. 2-9-1976
conductor: "Carnation Contented Hour"; "Pause That Refreshes on the Air"
04-07-1908 - Walt Framer - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 6-21-1988
producer, director: "Break the Bank"; "Strike It Rich"
04-07-1915 - Billie Holliday - Baltimore, MD - d. 7-17-1959
singer: "Artie Shaw Band"
04-07-1915 - Fred B. Cole - Hingham, MA - d. 12-6-2007
voice of the big bands
04-07-1915 - Stanley Adams - NYC - d. 4-27-1977
writer: "My Friend Irma"
04-07-1916 - Anthony Caruso - Frankfort, IN - d. 4-4-2003
actor: "This Is Your FBI"
04-07-1916 - Roy "Whitey" Grant - Shelby, NC
country, bluegrass: "Briarhoppers"
04-07-1918 - Peanuts Hucko - Syracuse, NY - d. 6-19-2003
jazz clarinetist: "Swing Shift"; "I Sustain These Wings"; "Doctor Jazz"
04-07-1919 - Ralph Flanagan - Lorain, OH - d. 12-30-1995
bandleader: "Chesterfield's ABC of Music"; "Let's Go Show"
04-07-1928 - James Garner - Norman, OK
spokesman: Financial Freedom
04-07-1934 - Ian Richardson - Edinburgh, Scotland - d. 2-9-2007
actor: Richard II and Bolingbroke "Richard II"
04-07-1942 - Joel Dorn - Yeadon, PA - d. 12-17-2007
disk jockey: WHAT-FM Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

April 7th deaths

01-31-1921 - John Agar - Chicago, IL - d. 4-7-2002
actor: "Big Show"
02-22-1897 - Alonzo Deen Cole - St. Paul, MN - d. 4-7-1971
writer, producer, director: "Casey, Crime Photographer"
02-23-1899 - Norman Taurog - Chicago, IL - d. 4-7-1981
film director: "Biography in Sound"; "Bud's Bandwagon"
02-25-1914 - Berkley Mather - Gloucester, North Wales - d. 4-7-1996
author: "Bird's Eye View"
02-27-1920 - Jose Melis - Havana, Cuba - d. 4-7-2005
bandleader: "Arthur Godfrey"s Talent Scouts"; "Arthur Godfrey Time"
03-03-1914 - Donald Gray - Fort Beaufort, South Africa - d. 4-7-1978
BBC actor from 1947 to 1951
04-01-1912 - Lou Merrill - Canada - d. 4-7-1963
actor: Thomas Hyland "Crime Classics"; Aaron Saul "Point Sublime"
04-06-1884 - Walter Huston - Toronto, Canada - d. 4-7-1950
actor: "Theatre Guild On the Air"; "Cavalcade of America"
04-07-1901 - Gavin Gordon - Chicora, MS - d. 4-7-1983
actor: Doctor Norfolk "Brenthouse"
04-16-1898 - Marian Jordan - Peoria, IL - d. 4-7-1961
commedienne: "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Kaltenmeyer's Kindergarten"
04-16-1920 - Barry Nelson - San Francisco, CA - d. 4-7-2007
actor: "Duffy's Tavern"; "Treasury Salute"; "Monitor"
04-26-1910 - Grace Coppin - Murray, UT - d. 4-7-1993
actor: Maude "The Life of Riley"
04-26-1918 - Helen Burgess - Portland, OR - d. 4-7-1937
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
05-13-1911 - Maxine Sullivan - Homestead, PA - d. 4-7-1987
vocalist: "Night Life"
06-22-1902 - Phil Duey - Macy, IN - d. 4-7-1982
singer: "Lucky Strike Dance Orchestra"; "Leo Reisman Orchestra";
"Happy Bakers"
08-02-1914 - Beatrice Straight - Old Westbury, NY - d. 4-7-2001
actor: "Great Scenes from Great Plays"; "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
09-01-1893 - Betty Blythe - Los Angeles, CA - d. 4-7-1972
actor: "The Whistler"; "This Is Your FBI"; "Let George Do It"
11-14-1914 - Ken Carson - Colgate, OK - d. 4-7-1994
singer: (Lustre Cream Shampoo commercial) "Day in the Life of Dennis
Day"
11-16-1899 - Mary Margaret McBride - Paris, MO - d. 4-7-1976
commentator: "Mary Margaret McBride"; "Martha Deane"
11-29-1905 - Chester Erskine - Hudson, NY - d. 4-7-1986
film director: "Lux Radio Theatre"
11-30-1873 - Frederic William Wile - La Porte, IN - d. 4-7-1941
commentator: "Political Situation in Washington"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 22:53:35 -0400
From: "Tim Lones" <tlones1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  KFWB
X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative
X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain

Martin:
     There was, indeed a real KFWB in Los Angeles, which Warner Brothers put
on the air in 1925  at AM [removed] owned by  Crowell-Collier Radio (1958-66)
Westinghouse (1966-2002) and currently by [removed] has run an "all news" format
since [removed] couple of Classic Warner Brothers Cartoons from the 1940's also
make reference to [removed]

Wikipedia article:

[removed]

Tim Lones

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