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Date: 4/28/2006 10:18 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2006 : Issue 117
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  the phyl coe mysteries                [ Grams46@[removed] ]
  Re: Kingfish, Amos and Andy           [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  OMF and the Hungarian revolution      [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
  All the news that's fit for radio     [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
  Re: A&A on TV                         [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  It's That Time Again 3                [ Richard Carpenter <newsduck@[removed] ]
  Thanks!                               [ "thomas heathwood" <HeritageRadio@m ]

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Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 23:50:16 -0400
From: Grams46@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  the phyl coe mysteries

i have been listening to a sperdvac tape of "the  phyl coe mysteries".  phyl
was short for phyllis.
the 1936  program had an unusual tie in with the sponsor.  the sponsor was
philco  radio tubes.
phyllis coe (a detective) solved mysteries but did not reveal  the solution.
listeners were to send in the solutions and win money.
does anyone know who starred as the detective?

peace from  kathy
support our troops; end the war
john 3:16

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:56:00 -0400
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:  Kingfish, Amos and Andy

I found Bill Jaker's discussion of  "Kingfish, Amos and Andy" very, very
interesting.   I've thought a lot about A and A over the years whenever the
subject of was it good/bad comes up, as if there is some definitive answer.
I remember that I enjoyed the program very much, yet looking back and
realizing that I as a listener, even as a child, came from a family without
prejudice, and did not draw any negative conclusions about the characters.
My dad would never have allowed it.   At least that's how I remember it. It
was very funny, made me laugh.   When in later years I became aware of
negative feelings of the NAACP and others,  I thought about it and since I
wasn't Black I didn't feel I had the right to impose my opinions on people
who lived as second-class citizens in very many parts of this country during
that period.  Every movement for equality may seem extreme in its criteria
and standards, especially in the early years, and to me that's very
understandable. There is usually a period in such awakening of consciousness
when the pent-up anger is extremely tuned in to what it sees as negative
stereotyping, and which seeks respect and positive characterization, by its
definition, not those of us on the outside.  It's hard to charge
oversensitivity, even if you believe that is sometimes the case,  if you
haven't walked in their shoes.   In the community of my childhood I recall
that in high school, we affectionately sometimes called each other by ethnic
nicknames, and it was truly affectionate, but it was similar to the common
experience of "I can criticize (or ridicule, or stereotype, or whatever) my
family members but we'll close ranks if an outsider does so."  Just think of
the first women's movement, that for the right of women to vote, (and the
abuse suffragettes suffered)  the later women's or feminist movement, gay
rights, Indian rights.   Those who don't want change always seem to
outnumber those who do, even some people for whose benefit change is
intended.   The message and the sensitivity and the methods were most
extreme at the beginning, saying 'pay serious attention to me - things have
got to change'.   At some point, as society has been forced to change to
accommodate more people and more diversity, often kicking and screaming, the
time comes when we are able to put something into its historical context.
It would be hard to listen to and enjoy much of Old Time Radio if we didn't
do so within its historical context.  I don't think anyone of good will and
intention was wrong or right about A&A. except those bigots who laughed and
drew conclusions, and perhaps strength,  from their skewed point of view.
As a child of Greek immigrants, and a first-generation American I know I may
have different reactions to a constantly-changing society, but my experience
was not negative.   I guess there weren't enough Greeks around to worry
anyone.  And those 'different' foods we had, which kind of amazed my
suburban friends, yogurt, a big block of feta in a big jar of brine,
baklava, are now a solid part of American culture, at least in urban areas.

Cheers,

-Irene

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:56:25 -0400
From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OMF and the Hungarian revolution

I was driving up to Columbus this afternoon when a police car passed me on
some sort of official business, and I thought about some lines in what may
have been an episode of One Man's Family.

There was a revolution in Hungary in about 1956.  The Hungarians had had it
with Soviet rule, but their leaders sold them out and the Red Army rolled in
to save the day for the USSR.  There was significant slaughter, and a good
many escapees managed to make it here.

So there's this Hungarian woman, newly arrived in the US, and the family
that adopted her, probably a Barbour of some sort, is taking her for a ride.
  Suddenly there's a siren, and a police car speeds by.  Our Hungarian lady
is terrified, but her hosts reassure her that someone had probably made an
illegal left turn or something, and that we're not afraid of our police here
in the United States.

My father was a steady listener to One Man's Family, and you'd have thought
he'd have learned something about being wise and patient and saintly, but he
never did.  Anyway, I heard enough Volumes and Books to fill a library, and
I think this was one of them.  Am I correct, or would this have been some
other show?

M Kinsler
512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 43130 740-687-6368
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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:57:05 -0400
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  All the news that's fit for radio

While on the West Coast recently I encountered a journal
billing itself "The East Bay's Independent Newspaper" with a
moniker of "The Berkeley Daily Planet."  That title stuck
with me.  What a throwback to a vintage era!  I mused to
myself:  How many other names of OTR-oriented print organs
might there be out there?  In memory this was my initial
encounter with one although I regularly peruse "The
Illustrated Press" newsletter of the Old Time Radio Club
headquartered in Lancaster, N. Y.  Do patrons of this forum
know of similarly labeled print communications?

Jim Cox

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:58:13 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: A&A on TV

On 4/27/06 10:30 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:

Yeah, just got my satellite tv schedule for May, and there they are: May 9 at
9:30 pm Eastern time, on the Turner channel.  Enjoy Check and Double Check!

Of course, Correll and Gosden themselves would be absolutely horrified at
the notion that people were still looking at this film 76 years later --
both of them found it embarassingly bad, so much so that for as long as
he lived, Freeman Gosden refused to let his children see it, condemning
it at "the worst movie ever made."

The big problem, of course, is that it was impossible to translate the
original "Amos 'n' Andy" radio series to any visual medium given the
richness of its original serial format. The program's humor was quiet and
subtle and characterization was built slowly over storylines that lasted
for weeks or months at a time -- with the emphasis on plot and character,
not jokes and gags. "Check and Double Check" utterly abandoned any
pretense of capturing the actual mood of the radio program by not only
grafting on a silly plot about boring rich white people, but by having
Amos and Andy saying and doing things they never would have done had
Correll and Gosden themselves had any input at all into the script. The
fact that no visual adaptation of the series ever captured the genius of
the original serial is testimony to the fact that radio is *radio,* and
should not be forced to be something it isn't. As Charles Correll put it,
"All we could do was disillusion everyone -- everyone had their own idea
what Amos and Andy looked like." Which is as it should be.

This subject is considered in greater detail in my book from McFarland &
Co, The Original Amos 'n' Andy -- Freeman Gosden, Charles Correll, and
the 1928-43 Radio Serial, available via
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Elizabeth

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 15:13:54 -0400
From: Richard Carpenter <newsduck@[removed];
To: Old Radio <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  It's That Time Again 3

I enjoyed the first two volumes of "It's That Time
Again," featuring new stories of old time radio, so I
ordered volume 3 in the series as soon as it became
available. When it arrived, I immediately turned to a
story listed in the index as "The Great Gildersleeve
Meets Honest Harold in 'Satuday Morning Paper'." Alas,
Honest Harold never appeared in the story (unless
perhaps he was the silent, unidentified man in Floyd's
barber chair; if so, that hardly counts). Then I
turned to the foreword by Norman Corwin and found it
to be just two sentences long, both of those sentences
praising the book's editor. Despite these
disappointments, I look forward to reading the rest of
the book.

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Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:15:29 -0400
From: "thomas heathwood" <HeritageRadio@[removed];
To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Thanks!
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Thanks to all who were so kind as to extend birthday greetings to Fred Foy,
and a few weeks later to me through my netcast EMAIL:
HeritageRadio@[removed]<mailto:HeritageRadio@[removed];
Tom Heathwood - on my birthday  4/27/06

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