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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2002 : Issue 100
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: Releasing "Archie" [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Glow in the dark premium [ "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed] ]
The Voice of the OTR Digest [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
Here we go again! [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
Decoders [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
Re: Dragnet [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
Lux Radio Theater Sighting [ "[removed] Wright" <[removed]@[removed] ]
SFX KIT & SCRIPT PREMIUM [ Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@doityours ]
Haunting Hour [ "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@ho ]
RE: RADIO DAYS [ Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@doityours ]
Leiningen VS The Ants [ Roger Lorette <roger@[removed]; ]
the Big Story [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
LR "Blackout KIt" [ "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed] ]
Leiningen versus the Ants [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
The Big Story [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Leiningen vs the ants [ Christopher Lowell White <cncwhite@ ]
The Lone Ranger [ "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@nfoli ]
It Keeps Going And Going And ,,, [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
March 15, 1945 [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
request bio on CBS' Irwin Darlington [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
Ooooh! What You Said! [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
"Strange" [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
The Big Story [ "Irene Heinstein" <[removed] ]
Re: Shipping outside USA [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:19:43 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Releasing "Archie"
On 3/15/02 11:09 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:
This is [removed] I'm glad to know that many of this fine series exists.
With the permission of one of the actors (Hal), and with the help of a
researcher (maybe Elizabeth or some other fine person here) is there any
chance of the Library of Congress releasing them?
It's not that difficult to get copies of LOC materials - but it does take
time, patience, and money. Before the Library can allow copies to be
made, the person requesting the copies must present written permission
from the copyright holder or holders, and then must pay the lab fee for
having the copies made, which the last time I looked was around $86 an
hour.
In the case of "Archie," it would be necessary to secure permission from
NBC -- which donated the discs to the Library -- and from Archie Comics
Publications, which owns the copyright on the programs themselves.
Securing NBC permission is usually a simple matter -- you send a letter
to a specified attorney at NBC Legal in New York, and about two months
later you get a contract from NBC to be signed in duplicate which forbids
you from circulating the recordings in any way. That gets sent back to
NBC Legal, and they then authorize the LOC to release the materials to
you. I've never dealt with the legal people at Archie, so I'm not sure
how cooperative they would be in authorizing the use of the recordings.
And then, of course, there's the question of who can afford to pay the
lab fees.
Given the high cost of getting access to the recordings I think the best
bet, rather than having individuals try to get hold of these programs, is
for a *dealer* to negotiate the commercial rights to do so: that way,
there's at least a chance of making a return on the investment. Given the
fact that Archie is still a well-recognized property, and that Hal
himself has become such a well-liked fellow in OTR circles, an "Archie"
boxed set might sell fairly well (especially if the marketers had the
sense to hire Hal to write the accompanying booklet!) Obtaining
commercial rights would require more negotiation with NBC and Archie
Comics than simply obtaining single copies for private research, but it
*could* be done.
The only drawback to such a plan is that the chance of making back the
investment would have to be balanced against the possibility of the
programs being duped for free on Usenet or sold on pirate CDs via eBay.
As much as I hate to raise That Subject again, the fact remains that it's
probably the biggest obstacle to any dealer making the committment to
clear the rights to uncirculated materials: if they know in advance
they're going to be undercut by MP3ers the instant the programs are
released, there isn't much incentive to spend the money that has to be
spent in order to release them. To get all the "Archie" episodes in the
LOC onto the market would require an investment of more than $4000 just
for LOC lab fees. On top of that, you'd need to pay for post-production
work on the raw LOC dubs, and both Archie Comics and NBC would be
standing by with hands extended waiting to receive their percentages of
the profits on the sale of the recordings.
The question is, then, *is* there enough of a market to both cover the
costs of production and offset the losses that would result from the
inevitable MP3ing of the materials? Given the choice, would "Archie" fans
support the effort to release the shows by purchasing the set -- or
would they wait to download it for free?
Elizabeth
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:16:24 -0500
From: "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Glow in the dark premium
In 1941 a Lone Ranger Glow-in-the-dark "Safety Belt" was offered with
pictures of the Lone Ranger etc on it. In the fifties a Filmstrip Saddle
Ring w/16mm LR Scenes used to expose images in glow in the dark surfaces.
Thats about all I can find in the glow in the dark category.
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:09:31 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Voice of the OTR Digest
Recovering from my seventh eye surgery, and having great difficulty
looking at even the newly subdued glare of my monitor, I have taken to
opening the Digest in the Eudora email utility and hitting the "Speak"
command. Apparently Eudora uses a proprietary female voice, not one of
the several that come installed in the Macintosh system. The voice
started out a fairly typical modern computer voice, dignified, female,
almost human but free of any discernable accent. After a few moments,
though, for some reason, it began to pick up speed a bit and the pitch
rose slightly. The remainder of the OTR Digest was read aloud to me by
my computer in, I swear, the voice of My Friend Irma.
Or, possibly, I'm going quite mad.
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:06:31 -0500
From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Here we go again!
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Not trying to resurrect an ancient thread here, so PLEASE don't start
one, for Charlie's sake and [removed] But I thought readers of the Digest
would be interested in this PR from Media Bay/Radio Spirits:
MediaBay, Inc. a leading provider of spoken audio and nostalgia products,
including audiobooks and old-time radio shows, announced today that its
Radio Spirits subsidiary -- the world's leading distributor of classic
radio programs -- has obtained exclusive rights to the entire catalogue
of "The Abbott & Costello Program."
"It is an honor to be entrusted with the exclusive rights to the classic
radio shows of these American legends. Abbott & Costello products have
always been among our top sellers. This long-term exclusive reproduction
and distribution rights agreement will allow us to create new and
exciting products to be distributed through our strong foundation of
marketing channels including our Radio Spirits catalog and more than
7,000 retail outlets. We look forward to our continued success in
marketing and selling these truly remarkable programs."
*** This message was altered by the server, and may not appear ***
*** as the sender intended. ***
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:08:31 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Decoders
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 23:17:13 -0500
From: "Irene Heinstein" <[removed]@[removed];
Don't know but a Captain Midnight decoder ring was mentioned in an episode
of the BBC scifi TV program Doctor Who.
Back in the mid-1970s, President Ford tried to tackle inflation by getting people to wear WIN
buttons ("Whip Inflation Now"). There was a coupon in the daily newspaper to send to the
White House to get your button. It read, "Dear President Ford. I enlist for the duration as an
inflation fighter and energy saver. I will do my very best for America." Then it had a place to
fill in your name and address to get your WIN button.
This seemed strangely familiar. So I wrote a letter to the editor of the Boston Globe, which
was published in the letters column. It read as follows:
Dear President Ford:
I enlist for the duration as an inflation fighter and energy saver. I will do my very best for
America. I enclose 50 cents in coin, a Kellogg's Pep boxtop, and an Ovaltine seal. Please
rush me my WIN button and CIA Decoder Badge, so that I can be the first on my block to
have one!
--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210
lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503
[removed]
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:13:28 -0500
From: Joe Mackey
<joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net
<[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Dragnet
Michael Hayde wrote --
The true "old episodes" from the 1950's continue to be scarcer than hen's
teeth.
There are four free episodes on [removed] . You need
to register (free) and click "classic tv" then "C-D" and they are on the
bottom of page two. There are a couple available on the plus (non free)
side as well, all are streaming programs. Movie Flix also has a variety
of old movies as well.
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:06:58 -0500
From: "[removed] Wright" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Lux Radio Theater Sighting
Just a minor [removed]
In the "Beamer's Last Case" episode of the tv series Rockford Files,
detective Jim Rockford evaluates a tape recording made by wannbe detective
and auto mechanic Beamer as being "...two-thirds Lux Radio [removed]"
That episode, first aired in 1977 I think, was broadcast on March 8, 11pm
CST in the cable channel TVLand's current airing of Rockford [removed]
aj wright // ajwright@[removed]
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:08:49 -0500
From: Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@[removed];
To: "Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: SFX KIT & SCRIPT PREMIUM
I remember sending away for a Premium that was a SFX Kit and a script to
perform a radio show, but can't remember the program that offered it.
The SFX were geared to the script and included: Two small pieces of sandpaper
for a match effect, cellophane for fire. That is all I remember what the kit
contained. Can anyone help with this Premium?
Thanks,
Kevin
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:05:58 -0500
From: "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Haunting Hour
I've been looking for a "Haunting Hour" log or the dates for four shows I've
acquired. Here are the shows:
"Murder Wears A Strange Mask"
"Bird Of Death"
"Ptolemy's Grave"
"The Lonesome Corpse"
I know the shows were available from Metacom or some other cassette house at
one time, but can't find the dates. If they were syndicated, what year were
they made? It doesn't seem to be a show in high regard, but, naturally,
writing the titles without the dates is anathema to the audiophile in me.
Thanks.
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:03:17 -0500
From: Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@[removed];
To: "Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: RE: RADIO DAYS
In issue # 98 Stephen Kallis mentions that 'Radio Days' was the reminisces of
Gene Sheppard. Well Stephen, as my sainted Dad used to say. 'you got the
right Church. but the wrong pew'! 'Radio Days' was the memories of Woody
Allen's youth, where Gene Shepard's memories was told in the movie 'A
Christmas Story'. Check the imdb at [removed] for the details.
Kevin mICHAELS
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:09:59 -0500
From: Roger Lorette <roger@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Leiningen VS The Ants
I have an MP3 recording of Escape from Jan 14, 1948 of "Leiningen vs the
Ants". It probable is the one you're looking for. I've also seen it online
in Real Audio at [removed] .
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:17:51 -0500
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: the Big Story
It ran on NBC for 8 years beginning April 2, 1947 and went to tv in the
early fifties
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:14:01 -0500
From: "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: LR "Blackout KIt"
The only evidence of the Lone Ranger Blackout Kit offer I can find is in
1942.
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:11:41 -0500
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Leiningen versus the Ants
Richard writes, in reply to Rfmalone:
From: Rfmalone@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Leiningen !!!
Leiningen versus the Ants was an Escape episode. I have no dates but I`m sure
it is readily available from one of the OTR dealers. Maybe someone else can
come up with more Infro.
Richard
I remember hearing this on radio station KNX here in the Los Angeles area
twice in the last couple of years, on their "Drama Hour" broadcast.
Their website is: [removed]
They webcast the previous night's Drama Hour show for your listening
pleasure, at your convenience at [removed]
This KNX site also has lots of other OTR features, including links to other
OTR sites, where "Leiningen versus the Ants" might be available for
download or purchase.
Herb Harrison
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:07:46 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Big Story
One of my favorite programs was called "The Big Story" sponsored by Pall
Mall cigarettes. I have found no listings for it an any of the radio logs
I've so far discovered, and I've seen no reference to it in this digest.
Yes, it did exist and I have at least a partial copy. An acquaintance of my
father's was featured on the show. He was one of the reporters who won the
money. Like my dad, who was also a newspaperman, his story dealt with the
mysterious death of a woman which my dad's friend hunted for the story
until the killer was found. Unfortunately, the story I have is only the
last half of the show, so it is not complete.
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:05:45 -0500
From: Christopher Lowell White <cncwhite@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Leiningen vs the ants
Someone recently posted this:
Does anyone know where I can find the show "Leiningen Versus the Ants"? I
believe that it was an episode of "Escape"
(possibly "Suspense") from around 1950.
"Escape" did do several boradcasts of this story throughout the latter part
of the 40's and several times in the 50's (no "Suspense"). I have all of
these in the mp3 format which may be played on several portable cd players
and most computers. I'm sorry but I don't have the technology to burn this
onto a CD-R.
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:07:56 -0500
From: "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Lone Ranger
I just watched an episode of The Lone Ranger on the
Westerns Channel featuring John Hart as LR. He didn't
appeal to me at all. I kept wondering when the real Lone
Ranger (Clayton Moore) would ride into the scene.
Don Dean
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:13:53 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: It Keeps Going And Going And ,,,
In responding to a question about a "decoder ring" being mentioned in the
movie, Radio Days, Irene H noted,
Don't know but a Captain Midnight decoder ring was mentioned in an
episode of the BBC scifi TV program Doctor Who.
... which goes to show how far the legend has spread, seeing that the
radio show wasn't broadcast by the BBC, as far as I can tell.
Mention of the "Captain Midnight Decoder Ring," and even other supposed
OTR premiums is one of those things that gets miles ahead of the truth.
I saw reference to "Captain Midnight Decoder Ring" in an issue of one of
the Marvel Comics' "Avengers" comic books, and have heard quite a few
references to it in talk-show broadcasts and even in conversation. In
Davis Newton's recent (1997) Encyclopedia of Cryptology, under the entry
"Radio Serials," he notes, "Opportinities were offered to obtain decoder
rings, badges, and other simple cipher devices that could be used for the
transmission of messages from broadcast hero or heroine to listeners or
between listeners." [I do not entirely fault Newton: OTR Cryptology is
such a specialized field I suspect that there are fewer than 300 people
alive who know very much about it. However, an entry like that may some
years down the road be used as a citation is some scholarly work,
"proving" the assertion of OTR decoder rings.] And here's a problem: the
OTR world and the Cryptological world are far enough removed so that the
chances of cross-referencing are slight.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:07:12 -0500
From: Grbmd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: March 15, 1945
>From Herb Hobler's book, "...and Now the news, 1945":
"NBC President Niles Trammell says news is a public service and, therefore,
says no more commercial breaks in the middle of the news."
Wonderful!
Now, tell me, whatever happened to such broadcast principles?
Spence
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:03:27 -0500
From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: request bio on CBS' Irwin Darlington
I'd like any biographical info on longtime CBS Staff Announcer Irwin
Darlington (spelled right?) Who was around from the 40s to the 60s.
Thanks,
Eric Cooper
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:16:59 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ooooh! What You Said!
Cynthia, who pointed out that in The Shadow, Lamont Cranston and Margo
Lane had separate rooms when traveling, muses,
I always had the sense of an quasi-family, almost-sibling relationship
between Lamont and Margo ... but I could be wrong
Well, I never thought that. If for no other reason that, save for some
notorious sections of backwoods rurality, brothers and sisters rarely
referred to each other as "darling." :-)
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:17:43 -0500
From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Strange"
Hello. I have just begun listening to a show featured on "The Glowing
Dial," site announced a few days ago. It is a show simply called
"Strange," hosted by Walter Gibson. I am wondering if this is the same
Walter Gibson who wrote "The Shadow" novels. If so, now is a chance to
hear his voice for those who are curious. Regardless, does anyone have a
list of any other radio appearances he might have made? The show credits
him as an author and expert on the supernatural, so I am thinking this
could be the same Gibson. As always, any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:13:05 -0500
From: "Irene Heinstein" <[removed]@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Big Story
It From: "Edward Loyer"
I clearly remember The Big Story sponsored by Pall Mall cigarettes as a
television show broadcast circa 1952-53, but I don't remember as a radio
show at all.
I dug out an old radio book I had which was published in 1973. It includes
The Big Story and the info that it was first heard over NBC in 1947 and was
sponsored by Pall Mall. The narrator was Robert Sloane and the announcer
Ernest Chappell. The actual reporter of the dramatized stories was
introduced on the air and congratulated for his story.
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Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 13:20:27 -0500
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Shipping outside USA
At 11:19 PM 3/15/02 -0500, you wrote:
Only one US dealer has been prepared to sell to me on MP3. Other dealers using
other formats appear equally reluctant. Can anyone tell me why?
Hungry OTR fan.
Shipping is more expensive outside of the USA and there is some extra paper
work involved. But, we do it all the time.
Fred
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