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Date: 10/5/2002 3:03 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 390
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Foley Artist                          [ Henry Howard <hhoward@[removed] ]
  thank you                             [ "George Coppen*" <gacoppen@[removed] ]
  Everett Clarke                        [ John Henley <jhenley@[removed] ]
  Player for car                        [ "Don Belden" <[removed]@[removed]; ]
  Today in radio history 10/4           [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  WOW Recreation and similar TV movies  [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
  Re: The A&A Case                      [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Re: Salvaging reel [removed]           [ "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@run ]
  Re: Finding an MP3 Player for my car  [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  STRANGE DIGITAL LEGISLATION           [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
  DJs killed network radio??            [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
  The Cisco Kid, OTR Style              [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  John Reinke--Old Radio Magazine       [ Howard Blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
  Re: Too Much Advertising              [ "Jack Hartley" <jhartley@[removed]; ]
  Re: Noisy reel to reel tapes          [ "graham newton" <grahamnewton@hotma ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:20:05 -0400
From: Henry Howard <hhoward@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Foley Artist

Michael Biel says
 >He is recruiting volunteer actors and Foley artists for the broadcast <snip>
 >I thought we had thoroughly explained to everyone long [removed]

No Michael, you explained to this group of OTR fans.
David Chamberlain was referencing Glen Beck's site which is modern day
radio program and distribution system.

In todays modern world, you have a much better chance
of finding someone who has experience in creating the
sound effects needed for a live broadcast by looking for a foley artist rather
than a sound effects person.  Many of those who create
"sound effects" today do NOT do it in real time, relying on effects
processors, synthesizers and computer editing to create their final product
which is edited into a production.  If you want "live real time"
performance, then "foley" artist may have more experience.

Robert Mott describes Jack's first work as "Foley decided to do the ocean and
paddling sounds live in the studio rather than use the more conventional
method of [removed]"

(Mott, Robert L. Sound Effects  Radio, TV, and Film 1990 Focal Press p 192.)

David Sonnenschein says that "Foley sounds are primarily those created to
accompany the noisemaking movement of actors in real time."
(Sonnenschein, David. (2001). Sound Design. Studio City, CA: Michael Wioese
Productions. p 40)

Neither of which would restrict a "foley artists" to motion pictures.

While the traditional film foley artist is watching a picture projected on a
screen
( or video monitor -  a change from Jack's technique due to changes in
technology),
when I do radio sound effects I am seeing the pictures in my head.

For those interested, the program will be carried by XM radio
on channel 166.

For other recreations and halloween fun see:
[removed]

I'm just happy to see so many programs being broadcast or performed on
the national holiday for audio theater / radio drama.
          Henry Howard
radiodrama digest moderator
     [removed]

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:20:08 -0400
From: "George Coppen*" <gacoppen@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  thank you

Just a quick thanks to everyone that came through with the cure for noisy
tapes
George Coppen

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 16:20:09 -0400
From: John Henley <jhenley@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Everett Clarke

Regarding recent postings on Everett Clarke, here is his
obituary from the Sept. 17, 1980, issue of Variety.  This
is all of it; it's from the end of the section, the type of lower-
case obit Variety once included routinely but no longer does.

"Everett Clarke, 68, a nationally-known drama coach and
onetime title voice of the old network 'The Whistler' radio
series, was stabbed to death Sept. 9 in his Chicago office.
Among the other network radio shows on which Clarke was
a cast member were 'The Shadow' and 'The Chicago Theater
of the Air'."
John Henley

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:26:03 -0400
From: "Don Belden" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Player for car

Hi Bruce,

My Rio Volt will stop at any point in and OTR program, and I use a "cassette
adapter" to connect it to my cassette player in the car.
To save putting in batteries I use a cigarette plug in power source. Both
are available from Radio Shack for about $40 dollars total. I attach the Rio
Volt to the dash with "velcro" -- essential.
Not an elaborate solution but it works.

My Rio Volt is one of the originals, but I assume that the new models will
work.

Don in Denver

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:26:09 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history 10/4

 From Those Were The Days --

1948 - Gordon MacRae hosted the premiere of a radio classic, The
Railroad Hour which debuted on this date on ABC. The theme song was I've
Been Working on the Railroad and the show was sponsored by -- get ready
-- America's Railroads.

  Joe

--
Visit my home page:
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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:40:18 -0400
From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  WOW Recreation and similar TV movies

Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; writes:

From: Davidinmemphis@[removed] (David)
. . . talk show host Glenn Beck is planning a live recreation of the
H. G.  Wells War of the World on Wednesday night October 30th from
8:00-9:00 [removed]  Eastern Time.  He is recruiting volunteer actors and
Foley artists for the broadcast.       David Chamberlain

Oh, so I suppose he is planning on putting a new soundtrack to an
existing movie of the program?  If not, he would have no need for Foley
Artists.

Well, it certainly wouldn't be the first time Glenn Beck confused facts with
whatever he calls the content of his show. :-)

As for the TV movie done in the 1980s about a South Carolina nuclear bomb
incident that utilized the WOTW story-through-newscast style, that was an
NBC video drama titled "Special Bulletin." One of the actors cast in it was
Ed Flanders, who purposely imitated Frank Reynolds' on-camera conduct during
the Reagan shooting coverage in 1981. Perhaps that was intended as an
additional device to establish to the audience that this was indeed a
fiction; despite this, and the disclaimer crawl across the screen,
apparently some viewers still believed it to be real.

I recall another TV drama along the same lines running on CBS a few years
back, titled "Without Warning," about the impending collision of Earth and a
giant asteroid. Anyone else recall that one?

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:41:32 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: The A&A Case

On 10/4/02 4:23 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

When a man offered to pay CBS for the use of the name "Amos n' Andy" and
was turned down--and when the man sued and got Amos and Andy named as a
"generic"--this should have pointed out to the broadcast and legal worlds
the consequences of a corporations' holding onto something and totally
avoiding the  "fair use" clause of the copyright law.

Not to reignite the copyright issue, but to clarify a bit -- it's 
important to note that the decision referred to here in connection with 
the A&A case (Silverman v. CBS Inc, 870 [removed] 40, 1989) had to do with the 
status of the "Amos 'n' Andy" trademark, registered by Correll and Gosden 
in 1928 and sold to CBS in 1948. CBS had failed to use the trademark in 
commerce for the twenty-two years between 1966 and 1988, and this was 
ruled evidence of abandonment. CBS therefore lost its claim on the 
trademark. You cannot lose copyright on any materials for failing to 
grant access to them or failing to use them in commerce -- but you *can* 
lose a trademark.

The copyright ruling in the A&A case had nothing to do with fair use. The 
A&A episodes which were ruled as being in the public domain -- those 
aired before October 1948 -- were those which Correll and Gosden had 
registered with the copyright office as unpublished works. CBS acquired 
those copyrights when they bought out Correll and Gosden in September 
1948, but failed to renew them as they expired. Thus those episodes lost 
copyright protection.

The episodes from October 1948 forward were an entirely different story, 
and the judge in the Silverman case ruled that the CBS copyrights on 
those episodes remain vaild. 

What the upshot of all this was is that the title, the pre-10/48 
episodes, and the characters *as delineated in the pre 10/48 episodes* 
are in the public domain. However, the episodes from 10/48 forward and 
all developments introduced into the series after that date (including 
such characters as Calhoun, the Amanda Randolph version of Mama, and 
Amosandra), as well as the A&A TV series are still owned by CBS. 

The text of the Silverman v. CBS ruling can be read on line at a number 
of legal-reference websites, including 
[removed];%20Readings/Copyright-UNT/amos'[removed]

Elizabeth

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:41:42 -0400
From: "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Salvaging reel [removed]

I remember there was an All Things Considered segment on this subject a few
years ago. Perhaps eight years ago? I don't know if you're able to do a
search and find the audio of the segment, but it was pretty detailed and ran
for perhaps 20 minutes.
Thanks a lot.
Matthew

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:42:08 -0400
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:  Finding an MP3 Player for my car

Bruce asked:

I am seeking a CD/MP3 player for my car that will actually remember where
I "left off"
when I stop playing an OTR program.  Currently I only have a player that
remembers
where MP3 music was stopped - but no OTR.  Can anyone advise me?

I have an audible otis which I got through [removed] and it included a
casette attachment which could be used in the car.
If you want to see what that means and looks like go to [removed]

Other models probably offer a similar converter or do they??

~Irene

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:42:13 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  STRANGE DIGITAL LEGISLATION
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A bill, introduced Wednesday by Rep. Zoe Lofgren, D-Calif., would
essentially undo copyright provisions written into the controversial
Digital Millennium Copyright Act, allowing consumers to make their own
copies of such digital entertainment as movies, music and books.

"Enhancing consumer rights and technology development are the key to
copyright protection," Lofgren said in a statement.

The measure also would allow consumers who have purchased a digital work
to sell or give away their copy of that work in the same way that they
would be able to barter, sell or trade traditional copies.

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:42:31 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  DJs killed network radio??

Not disc jockeys!

Don't blame me -- how's THAT for a song cue --"Sinatra sings -- right
after these annoying [removed]"

The DJ

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:42:49 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Cisco Kid, OTR Style

As pointed out by Jack French,

Well, he got the name from his creator, O. Henry (real name William
Sydney Porter, 1862-1910), an ex-con and prolific short story writer. In
1904 he wrote "The Caballero's Way" for McClure's magazine which is the
debut of the Cisco Kid. Except he's no hero, no kid (he's 25), and not
Latino.

O. Henry was a prolific writer who ground out many famous short stories.
Some of these have been adapted to plays.  Perhaps the most famous was
"The Gift of the Magi," a bittersweet Christmas story of love and
sacrifice.

My father read "The Caballero's Way," and the first time he heard the
opening of The Cisco Kid, he said, "That's silly.  The Cisco Kid wasn't a
hero, and certainly no Robin Hood."  Oddly, the show always credited O.
Henry at the show's opening.

The radio version of The Cisco Kid was entertaining when I was growing
up.  It was one of the shows I listened to regularly.  But the radio hero
shouldn't be confused with the O. Henry character.  The radio version was
clearly Hispanic, and heroic.

ZStephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:43:00 -0400
From: Howard Blue <khovard@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  John Reinke--Old Radio Magazine

 John Reinke had an item in the Old Radio Magazine.   I have tried
reaching him by e-mail, but he is no longer at the address he used  in
the article.  Can anyone help me?

Howard Blue

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:09:40 -0400
From: "Jack Hartley" <jhartley@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Too Much Advertising

Good observation.  I listen to talk radio when I am in the car or doing some
odd jobs around the house.  Returning from a board meeting about 60 miles
from our home, I began to count commercials and time the phone calls.  I
found the same thing happening.  One 3 or 4 minute phone call followed by 8
minutes of commercials!  I only stayed on station to see how bad it would
be.  From now on---tapes or music of my life stations!  Jack Hartley

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Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 21:09:45 -0400
From: "graham newton" <grahamnewton@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Noisy reel to reel tapes

"George Coppen*" <gacoppen@[removed]; said to the OTR [removed]
On the subject: Noisy reel to reel tapes

I purchased twenty nine (29) 7" reel to reel tapes from a gent and when I
tried to record on the tapes I discovered a loud and very annoying squeal.
I think I remember seeing a cure for this problem in the Digest some time
ago but I cant remember what it was.

The problem George describes is "sticky shed" and is common mostly to old
reel to reel tape that was manufactured in the early 70's through as late as
the early 90's by Ampex and 3M corporation.  Typically, many back coated
tapes will exhibit the problem, and non-back coated tapes usually will not.

It is not something that can be fixed, although affected tape can be
rendered
usable for a while, it will return to it's sticky state sooner or later.
Read
the article on my website about baking tape:-

[removed]

I deal with this kind of problem regularly, and would not recommend using
a tape that has this problem where any other recording media is available.
If possible, George should return the tape and ask for a refund.

BTW:
I had my 15 minutes of fame last Monday when the Toronto Star newspaper
published a full page article on myself and my parther, reissue producer
David Lennick which appeared on the front page of the business section.
If you want to read the article, click on this link or copy and paste it
into your browser, it should [removed] just make sure there are no breaks
in [removed] it needs to be all one line.

[removed]
le_Type1&c=Article&cid=1026145814709&call_page=TS_Business&call_pageid=968350072
197&call_pagepath=Business/News&col=969048863851

If you have problems, go to the Star's main page:-

[removed]

the writer was Greg Gormick, and the article was in Monday's paper
(Sept 30th), search on Greg Gormick you'll get a pointer to the article.

... Graham Newton

Please reply to:  gn@[removed]

Audio Restoration by Graham Newton, [removed]
World class professional services applied to phonograph and tape
recordings for consumers and re-releases, featuring CEDAR processes.

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Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 09:20:01 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

  From Those Were The Days --

1930 - The New York Philharmonic Orchestra was first heard on the air
over CBS from Carnegie Hall. The Sunday afternoon concerts set CBS back
$15,000. Not per week, but for the entire season.

1930 - This was a big day for CBS. Following the orchestra broadcast
(above), Father Coughlin, The Fighting Priest, was first heard on the
radio. He lit up the airwaves with oratory that aired into the early
forties.

1934 - The first major network radio show to originate from Hollywood
aired on this day. Hollywood Hotel was heard on CBS and was heavily
promoted as being the first to broadcast from the West Coast.

1952 - After an 11-year run on radio, Inner Sanctum, the legendary
mystery series, was heard for the final time. We'll never know if they
oiled that squeaky [removed]

  Joe

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Visit my home page:
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