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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2007 : Issue 103
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
NTR Source Going Out Of Business [ "John Weber" <wjweber@[removed] ]
Re: Editing out commercials [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
The Birds on Radio [ "Bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed]; ]
Damon Runyon [ Stuart Lubin <stuartlubin6686@sbcgl ]
Location Productions [ Richard Fish <fish@lodestone-media. ]
ACTOR RESIDUALS [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
Danon Runom's Speech Patterns [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
Don McNeill's prayer for peace [ "whhsa" <whhsa@[removed]; ]
Missing Dunning Pages [ <[removed]@[removed]; ]
Damon Runyon and Contractions [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]
Don McNeill's Prayer [ crow8164@[removed] (Dennis Crow) ]
3-31 births/deaths [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
Missing Dunning pages correction [ <[removed]@[removed]; ]
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:09:18 -0400
From: "John Weber" <wjweber@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: NTR Source Going Out Of Business
Apologies for commercial use of the list, but I thought this would be of
interest.
For the past 13 years (and two owners) the Lodestone Catalog has been a
source for Contemporary Audio Theatre (AKA "New Time Radio"), as well as old
and new works of Norman Corwin.
We are saddened to announce that The Lodestone Catalog is going out of
business.
We are putting everything in the catalog on sale, with huge savings on many
items. So our pain is your gain -- here's a chance to stock up on some
really great audio theater while it lasts.
Everything, literally everything in the catalog is on sale -- some of it for
over half off. We're getting rid of our inventory, and these items won't be
back, so get 'em now while the getting is good.
View the complete list of items on sale at:
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Norman Corwin items on sale can be viewed at:
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Firesign Theatre items on sale can be viewed at:
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Garrison Keillor / A Prairie Home Companion:
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ZBS Media:
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Star Wars Dramatizations (NPR and Highbridge):
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Alien Voices (Leonard Nimoy and John DeLancie):
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Twilight Zone Radio:
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... and many more.
-- John Weber
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:10:10 -0400
From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Editing out commercials
In a recent post, Robert Dawson wrote:
Ahh, to the point, could someone, please, help me for I have a collection of
CBS Radio Mystery radio plays on DVD. Some have commercials that I would
like to edit out when I record the radio plays from DVD to CD/MP3 format so
that I may play them on our Panasonic MP3 player. I was going to record on
our HP Pavilion computer. What software would you recommend? Currently,
the computer has iTunes, Sonic MyDVD Plus/Sonic Copy Module, and Windows
Media Player 11.
This is something I have asked myself about so many times, I finally gave up
because I don't have an answer. I find it upsetting, and frustrating when I
purchase, or download, a program where either the commercials, or the bridge
music has been deleted. For instance, I have been listening to Ma Perkins
recently, and there are stretches of silence in them that I can only
attribute
to the fact that the bridge music was deleted. The commercials are mostly
intact I believe. Why delete any of a program that is historically important,
whether it is music, or words?
Here is the real mystery. Today, when watching Television, I normally mute
the sound so I don't have to listen to the commercials. If I have Tevo'd a
show, I fast forward through the commercials for the same reason. Could
someone
please give me a logical explanation for that sort of behavior? Also, I would
love to know if anyone else does, or, has the same feelings I have about this
matter. Why would I love commercials on OTR, and hate them on Television? It
defy's all reasoning to me.
Charlie
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:10:17 -0400
From: "Bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed];
To: ""old-time radio digest">" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Birds on Radio
Hi all,
I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet but I think there was a version of
the Birds also done on Family
Theater. I've got it around here somewhere.
Bill
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:11:29 -0400
From: Stuart Lubin <stuartlubin6686@[removed];
To: Time Radio Digest Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Damon Runyon
In responding to Wayne Johnson's very good question about
Broadway's speech patterns, eg., never using contractions, etc.,
Jeff Knowling explains it very well when he answers
I have always thought it is because the citizens like to think of
themselves as having class.
I agree that THAT is the most likely explanation. In language
study, that phenomenon is labeled "hyperurbanism", or trying to
sound more educated than you really are.
A couple of other examples come to mind: "between you and I"
sounds correct, but "between you and me" is the correct phrase,
gramatically. Finally, I have heard some very well educated
African-Americans who pronounce the word "aunt" in the British
manner, whereas the American pronunciation is the preferred one
here in the United States.
The different speech patterns that Runyon gave to Broadway and
to some of the other characters added to the charm of the show.
Those characters also had a form of humor that was rare in the
majority of radio programs of that time period. I must say that
I feel no one could have captured the attitude of Broadway
better than John Brown. Does anyone know if Mr. Runyon had a
role in casting the show?
Stuart Lubin
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:28:14 -0400
From: Richard Fish <fish@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Location Productions
Many, MANY thanks to Mr. King for your amazing post! The info was all
new to me, except about "Empire Builder." I was aware that broadcasts
from theatres were tried in the 20s, but never knew any details. Getting
all this, so nicely documented, is just great.
Now, a $64 question: does anybody know if there are any recordings
extant of early location production drama? I'd define "early" as before,
say, 1970 anyhow -- and especially before 1950. And the main focus is on
fictional works; actualities of events, like the Hindenburg explosion or
D-Day recordings, are very interesting but not really in the same category.
I'm interested in any location productions, regardless of media. It
should be remembered that the primary medium for our beloved art form
has changed over the years. It's gone from cylinders, to 78s, to
broadcast, back to 78s, to LPs, to cassettes, to CDs, and now seems to
be settling into various forms of digital file transfer, largely over
the Web.
BTW, this thread started as "Real Sound Effects" and that's still the
gist of it, but the term "Location Production" is widely used today, and
does kind of include more of the whole thought.
Which is this: the best radio drama (or audio theatre) gives the
listener a sense of overhearing something that's really happening:
eavesdropping through an invisible microphone, or being "a fly on the
wall," as the old saying goes.
The easier it is for the listener to accept this illusion, or if you
prefer, the less work it is to suspend one's disbelief, the easier it is
for the production itself to be engaging and effective.
Location production, IMHO, is one way to reach the unsurpassed peak of
that experience. Not necessarily the only way, or the easiest way, but a
good way. It seems to me that the best location productions are at least
as good as the best studio work, and I'm wondering if they might not be
even better, in some respects anyway.
It seems clear that people were thinking along those lines nearly a
century ago, and all those pioneering efforts need to be remembered.
Any thoughts on any of that will be most interesting, even (or
especially?) if anyone disagrees. And any leads on those early
recordings will be most deeply appreciated.
Love this group!
Richard Fish
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:28:59 -0400
From: PURKASZ@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: ACTOR RESIDUALS
Would somebody please tell the family of Parley Baer that there is a
residual check with his name on it at the Screen Actors Guild site!!!
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I'm serious!
Click on 'Unclaimed Residual Data Base.'
If you've ever done a day or two on a TV show or movie and had to join the
Guild you may find some of the proverbial 'Lost Money' waiting for you.
At any rate the list of names is occasionally sparked by a recognizable star
like Mister Baer and makes for some fun detective work.
As a member since 1969 I was pleased to see SAG with a website they started
some years ago. My residuals come directly to me but for some reason, usually
death or moving without contacting the guild, the residual checks are kept
by SAG until family contacts them and proves their relationship.
No idea how much it is but it's gotta be something!
I was meandering along the list of almost 4000 names when I was shocked to
find his name along with such notables as Edmund Gwenn, Smiley Burnette,
Walter Brennan, Randolph Scott and Tallulah Bankhead.
Amazing.
These folks have no family perhaps?
Anyway, I suspect people once close to Parley Baer may get wind of this
letter and receive their due.
Let me know if you would.
Michael C. Gwynne
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:29:13 -0400
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Danon Runom's Speech Patterns
Here is an opinion on not using contractions. Do not jump all over me it
is only my [removed]
When I was in High School (Mid 40's) if I turn in a paper with
contractions I was told that is not proper gramme.
Being born a long time ago I have noticed that, other than Broadway,
OTR people didn't use contractions either such as radio announcers, and
radio actors, who read what was written, did not use contraction, but
the speech patters were flowed differently than Broadways. .
Contraction are short cut, am not,or AIN'T is a contractions also could
be used in place of am not, is not, has not or have not.
Webster's Dictionary says a contraction is "a shortening of a word,
syllable, or word group by omission of a sound or letter;"
Look at you computer key board "Ctrl, Alt, PgDn, and SysRq" saves space.
Possible the print media, such as newspapers, used contraction to
conserve space, and contractions were accepted.
Frank McGurn.
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:37:36 -0400
From: "whhsa" <whhsa@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Don McNeill's prayer for peace
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Dear Folks;
Peace and a Glorious Easter to All.
>From page 79 of Don McNeill's Favorite Poems (1951) the prayer reads:
Each in his own words,
Each in his own way;
For a world united in peace,
bow your heads, let us pray.
I was on Don McNeill's Breakfast Club in the summer of 1951 when he traveled
to Atlanta, Georgia. In my newly released book on Straight Arrow there is a
photograph of McNeill talking with me on air!
Manituwah,
Bill
Remember Straight Arrow?
Order your copy of the definitive book on the great legendry figure, Straight
Arrow.
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:38:03 -0400
From: <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Missing Dunning Pages
Hi.
Last week I attended a flea-market that featured a large group of used books
from some local public and school libraries. Among the books I picked up was
a copy of John Dunning's "Tune in Yesterday".
The book was in rough shape as someone, for whatever reason, had cut out
some of the pages with a razor or knife and pushed them back in the book in
random order. After sorting out the pages and putting them in order, I found
that I am missing 8 of the nearly 700 pages in the book. Not bad.
I need pages:
252, 253 -- these have the end of the Gildersleeve section and ?
356, 357 -- Starts with Life Begins at 80 and ??
436 to and including 439 -- Starts with National Barn Dance and ends with
Nick Carter. Page 435 has the first part of Barn Dance and page 440 has the
last part of Nick Carter.
Would someone on the digest be able to photocopy these pages for me?
I will gladly repay you for copying and postage costs.
Please contact me of list for my address.
Roger Keel
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:38:22 -0400
From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Damon Runyon and Contractions
Actually, I don't know about Damon Runyon and contractions, but I recently
picked up a 1903 book titled MODERN BUSINESS LETTERS at a charity booksale
(for $1) and one of the rules for writing a business letter in 1903, along
with "no slang" was "no contractions", specifying it was bad form to write
"don't" for "do not". The book also depicted a newfangled invention called
a "Filing Cabinet" (what won't they think of next.)
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:38:38 -0400
From: crow8164@[removed] (Dennis Crow)
To: [removed]@[removed] (Old Time Radio Digest)
Subject: Don McNeill's Prayer
Doug Berryhill inquired about Don McNeill's prayer
Here it is, as reported in John Doolittle's DON MCNEILL AND HIS BREAKFAST
CLUB [Notre Dame, Indiana, University of Notre Dame Press, 2001], p. 187.
"Each of you,
In his own words,
In his own way,
For a free world united in peace,
Let us bow our heads and pray."
Dennis Crow
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:38:48 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 3-31 births/deaths
March 31st births
03-31-1870 - James Cox - Jacksonburg, OH - d. 7-15-1957
radio station owner, Cox Broadcasting
03-31-1896 - Eddie Dunn - Brooklyn, NY - d. 5-5-1951
quizmaster: "True or False"
03-31-1903 - Ralph Atlass - d. 6-xx-1979
Chicaco radio pioneer
03-31-1907 - James L. Saphier - d. 4-9-1974
producer: "The Saint"; "Somebody Knows"
03-31-1907 - Ray Arvin - d. 12-xx-1977
sportscaster: KORN Fremont, Nebraska; WREN Topeka, Kansas
03-31-1908 - Les Damon - Providence, RI - d. 7-20-1962
actor: Nick Charles "Advs. of the Thin Man"; Michael Waring "The Falcon"
03-31-1908 - Red Norvo - Beardstown, IL - d. 4-6-1999
jazz vibraphonist: "Mildred Bailey Show"; "Woody Herman Show"
03-31-1915 - Henry Morgan - NYC - d. 5-19-1994
comedian: "Here's Morgan"; "Henry Morgan Show"
03-31-1918 - Charles Russell - NYC - d. 1-18-1985
actor: Johnny Dollar "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar"
03-31-1922 - Richard Kiley - Chicago, IL - d. 3-5-1999
actor: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
03-31-1923 - Thomas Arim - d. 1-28-2003
disk jockey: "Birthday Party"
03-31-1928 - Lefty Frizzell - Corsicana, TX - d. 7-19-1975
singer: "Grand Ole Opry"; "Louisana Hayride"; "Big D Jamboree"
03-31-1933 - Anita Carter - Maces Springs, VA - d. 7-29-1999
singer: (Carter Sisters) "Country Music Time"; "Grand Ole Opry"
03-31-1934 - Shirley Jones - Clarleroi, PA
singer-actor: "Calling All Hearts"; "Stars for Defense"
March 31st deaths
01-17-1915 - Hugh Brundage - Montana - d. 3-31-1972
announcer: "Academy Award Theatre"; "Aunt Mary"
03-04-1888 - Knute Rockne - Voss, Norway - d. 3-31-1931
football coach: "Biography in Sound"
05-09-1920 - Frank Perdue - d. 3-31-2005
commercial spokesperson for Perdue Farms
06-19-1928 - Barry Took - London, England - d. 3-31-2002
writer, comedian: "Round the Horne"; "We're In Business"
08-15-1894 - Harry Akst - NYC - d. 3-31-1963
writer: "The Barry Gray Show"
09-07-1888 - Alec Harford - London, England - d. 3-31-1955
actor: "Escape"; "NBC University Theatre"; "Romance"
10-12-1899 - Phil Kramer - d. 3-31-1972
actor: grouch "The Grouch Club"
10-18-1910 - Addy Richton - d. 3-31-1995
writer: "Valiant Lady"; "Hilltop House"; "This Life is Mine"
Ron Sayles
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Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:21:33 -0400
From: <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Missing Dunning pages correction
Hi.
I really need to clean up my desk!
When I listed the pages I need in my last post, I was going from a list that
I had in front of me. Wrong list.
I found the right list after I sent the post.
I only need pages 251 to 254. The other pages I have just that they have
writing on them.
Same offer remains
Roger Keel
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