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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2008 : Issue 245
A Part of the [removed]!
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Cleveland Radio Museum [ "Tim Lones" <tlones1@[removed]; ]
The moving finger [removed] [ Wich2@[removed] ]
Museums [ <radioaz@[removed]; ]
Cecil and Sally [ Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed]; ]
RE: Fibber's magic radio [ "W. Harris" <nbcblue@[removed]; ]
Re:Gil Stratton, Jr. [ "Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed]; ]
Cecil and Sally [ papillion17@[removed] ]
WOTW anniversary. Oops. [ James Yellen <jjyellen@[removed]; ]
Good Soupy Sales News [ "Kathy O'Connell" <kathy@kidscorner ]
Bob and Ray - WOR [ karl tiedemann <karltiedemann@hotma ]
10-17 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Re: Commercials Clipped from AFRS Re [ <georgewagner@[removed]; ]
Re: Cecil & Sally [ rand@[removed] ]
edie [removed] [ Afanofoldradio@[removed] ]
jack benny tv shows [ EDWARD CARR <edcarr@[removed]; ]
Cimmeron Rolls [ Bryan Jensen <zr702@[removed]; ]
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:58:06 -0400
From: "Tim Lones" <tlones1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Cleveland Radio Museum
In the last few months, a Cleveland (Ohio) Radio Museum has opened, in
conjunction with Cleveland's Baseball Heritage [removed] Cleveland's
Historic Colonial Arcade on Eulclid Avenue Downtown ..Not a lot to it yet,
and it mostly focuses on the 40's to the 70's, but it has a lot of
potential.
Here is a report from WTAM-1100 Radio on the Museum
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Tim Lones
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 21:59:56 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The moving finger [removed]
From: James Yellen _jjyellen@[removed]_ (mailto:jjyellen@[removed])
As we approach the 6oth anniversary of the famous Orson Welles broadcast of
WAR OF THE WORLDS
70th, Jim - as noted by several groups around the counrty doing recreations
(God, please don't let any of them camp it up, as I saw a theater group do at
a benefit here in NYC a few years [removed])
Best,
-Craig W.
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:00:02 -0400
From: <radioaz@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Museums
We mustn't forget the Pavek Museum in St. Louis Park, Minnesota (suburb of
Minneapolis.) Its specialty is broadcasting.
Ted
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:01:25 -0400
From: Fred Berney <fsberney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Cecil and Sally
George, I'm sitting on about 100 episodes of the program. My garage
holds a box that looks like the crate in Raiders of the Lost Ark,
which contains the 12" discs of the program.
The program originated from San Francisco. Do a Google search and you
will find a picture of the two actors, plus some information on the program.
Two other collectors and myself are working on attempting to transfer
all the disc of the show onto CDs. I think we have access to almost
all the discs.
This is a project that got started a few years ago and hopefully will
be completed sometime next year.
Basically it is a 15 minute syndicated program about a very young man
and woman. It starts about the time they are in college and follows
them through their married life.
The stories could be considered standard soap opera type, but then
there is a time when the two meet what could be called a vampire. So,
the scripts tend to hold your interest.
Fred
Check us out for old time radio & TV shows & Movie Serials
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[ADMINISTRIVIA: An episode of Cecil and Sally supplied by Fred is available
for your enjoyment on the blog at [removed] --cfs3]
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:01:31 -0400
From: "W. Harris" <nbcblue@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: RE: Fibber's magic radio
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I finally located the tape I have of Fibber's magic radio. The title on the
tape is "Radio's Super Stars, Host - Fibber McGee and Molly. The opening
scene features Fibber and Molly and starts off with FIbber fooling with his
old radio and using the McGee theory of "radiodyanetics" (something he thought
up), is modifying the radio to tune in broadcast of past years. I don't have a
date on the tape but Fibber claims to Molly that he can make the radio tune in
programs from 25 years ago.
One of the programs he tunes in, is NBC in Kansas City in 1926, Coon Sanders
and his Night Hawks.
Bill H.
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:01:43 -0400
From: "Jan Bach" <janbach@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re:Gil Stratton, Jr.
Hello again --
Among the memories recently recalled by OTRers about Gil Stratton's radio
and tv career, I haven't seen a mention of his starring role on "That's My
Son," a 1954 tv series with Eddie Mayehoff, who played an ex-pro football
player trying to get his bookworm son -- Gil Stratton -- interested in that
sport or any other. As a bookworm and class-a nerd myself, I identified
strongly with Stratton's character, only learning much later that he was
probably more keenly interested in sports than Mayehoff or any of the other
characters on the show!
BTW, Keith Olbermann gave Gil a nice tribute on his "Countdown" show earlier
this week, remarking on his long radio career.
Jan Bach
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:01:52 -0400
From: papillion17@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Cecil and Sally
I have been working on this series on and off for a while. I like it although
many people may find it to be a rather simpleminded show. At first I was
convinced that Cecil was played by Arthur Lake (Dagwood Bumstead). I was of
course, wrong about that but I still think it sounds like him. The following
is some information I have uncovered on the series. Some of it is redundant
but it was just in my folder until I have a chance to streamline it into a
nice little article. Anyways, just thought I'd share it here.
Doug
In the late 1920s, companies sprang up across America for the purpose of
recording music and programs which could be sold, or syndicated, to a number
of local stations in distant cities. For example, a San Francisco firm called
MacGregor & Sollie, Inc., produced the "Cecil and Sally Eps" radio program.
It was mailed on large electrical transcription discs (ETs) to many radio
stations which could plug Cecil and Sally into their local schedule at a
convenient time. WKAV in Laconia, New Hampshire was one such subscriber; in
1931 WKAV was under contract to pay MacGregor & Sollie $[removed] for each
episode over a 26 week run.
Johnny Patrick * and Helen Troy *
Parlayed screwball "Cecil & Sally" comedy serial into one of the first
nationally-syndicated transcribed (pre-recorded) programs, beginning in 1928
at KYA before moving to KPO and NBC.
John Patrick (May 17, 1905 - November 7, 1995) was an American playwright and
screenwriter.
Born John Patrick Goggan in Louisville, Kentucky, his parents soon abandoned
him and he spent a delinquent youth in foster homes and boarding schools. At
age 19, he secured a job as an announcer at KPO Radio in San Francisco,
California, marrying Mildred Legaye in 1925. He wrote over one thousand
scripts for the Cecil and Sally Show broadcast by NBC between 1929 and 1933.
In 1937, Patrick wrote adaptations for NBC's Streamlined Shakespeare series,
guest-starring Helen Hayes.
"Cecil and Sally" were the air names of Johnny Patrick and Helen Troy, who
developed the musical comedy routine while working together at KYA in 1928.
The serial program debuted on the West Coast connection of the short-lived
ABC network, and moved to KPO and NBC after the former network went bankrupt
in 1929. Patrick wrote the scripts and sang; Troy sang and played the piano
and organ. Her character, "Sally," endeared herself to West Coast listeners
with her girlish lisp, referring to her partner as "Theethil."
The program ran on NBC until 1933, and was among the earliest radio shows to
be nationally syndicated via electronic transcription - large, long-playing
phonograph discs - by MacGregor & Ingram, a pioneering recording company.
Johnny Patrick (born John Patrick Goggan in 1905) wrote more than a thousand
scripts for "Cecil and Sally" during its run. A successful playwright and
Hollywood screenwriter following his early years in radio, he adapted Vern J.
Sneider's novel "The Teahouse of the August Moon" for the stage in 1953,
which earned him a Pulitzer Prize and a Tony Award. In 1956, he wrote the
screenplay for the motion picture version of "Teahouse," which starred Marlon
Brando and Glenn Ford.
Patrick also wrote the screenplays for "Three Coins in the Fountain" (1954),
"Love Is A Many-Splendored Thing" (1955), "High Society" (1956), "Les Girls"
(1957), "Some Came Running" (1958), "The World of Suzie Wong" (1960) and "The
Shoes of the Fisherman" (1968). In later life, he retired to St. Thomas in
the [removed] Virgin Islands. He died in 1995 at the age of 90.
San Francisco-born Helen Troy appeared in several radio programs after "Cecil
and Sally," including the 1937 series "Texaco Town" on the CBS Radio network,
in which she played the comical "Saymore Saymore." The fast-talking
comedienne had a brief career in motion pictures, making her film debut in
George M. Cohan's "Song and Dance Man" (playing a character named "Sally," no
less) and playing alongside such stars as Mickey Rooney and Judy Garland in
"Thoroughbreds Don't Cry" (1937) and Spencer Tracy in "Big City" (1937). She
died at the age of 38 in 1942.
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:02:10 -0400
From: James Yellen <jjyellen@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: WOTW anniversary. Oops.
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Is my face red. Let's see 2008 minus 1938 equals 60, oops no it's 70. I knew
that. Thanks to Bill and Jim who gave me a heads up on the typo.
JY
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:02:21 -0400
From: "Kathy O'Connell" <kathy@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Good Soupy Sales News
I often hear from listmembers asking to be updated about our good friend
Soupy Sales. Since Soupy has not been attending the Friends of Old Time
Radio Convention, several fans have missed their annual opportunity to
touch base with this comic legend of TV and radio.
I have great news. On October 30, Soupy will be honored at "Brownie
Speaks," a symposium celebrating and documenting the life, music and
legacy of jazz great Clifford Brown at the University of the Arts in
Philadelphia. The only existing video footage of Brown (who died at the
age of 25 in 1956) comes from Soupy, who happened to film his nighttime
Detroit talk show "Soupy's On!" the night that Brown appeared. A few
weeks later, Brown died in an automobile accident. Some of this footage
appears in Ken Burns' "Jazz" series, and you can glimpse Soupy on drums
behind guitarist Joe Messina in a clip from "Soupy's On!" used in the
documentary "Standing in the Shadows of Motown." For information on
"Brownie Speaks," go to [removed]
This is just one of several upcoming events that will honor Soupy's
contribution to broadcasting history. I'll keep you posted as more
events are announced!
Soupy and Trudy send their best regards to all their friends and fans in
the oldtime radio community. So do I. Have a wonderful convention!
Kathy O'Connell
WXPN/Philadelphia
And lifelong Soupy Sales fan
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:04:52 -0400
From: karl tiedemann <karltiedemann@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Bob and Ray - WOR
Hello. Back when I was fearfully young, I discovered, a day or two after the
event, that Bob and Ray had returned to radio after a hiatus of a few years
and were filling the drivetime slot on WOR. For many months thereafter, I
dedicated myself to recording all of the comedy segments from each day (which
generally amounted to a half hour of material). In the years that followed,
this material was traded and I think has pretty well entered the OTR
bloodstream. It now happens that I'm moving a short distance away from where
I now live and have come across most, if not all, of the seven-inch reels I
recorded on to. If anyone would like to have these, I can send them to him.
(Given my current chaotic state, I can't say exactly when, but probably
before the new year.) If there are no takers, I'll probably junk them, but
since, as I say, it seems that the material has circulated, I don't think
this will represent much of a loss.
Thanks.
Karl Tiedemann ([removed])
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:05:02 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 10-17 births/deaths
October 17th births
10-17-1893 - Spring Byington - Colorado Springs, CO - d. 9-7-1971
actor: Lily Ruskin "December Bride"
10-17-1903 - Irene Noblette Ryan - El Paso, TX - d. 4-26-1973
actor: "Tim & Irene Sky Road Show"; "Royal Crown Revue"
10-17-1905 - Claude Binyon, Sr. - Chicago, IL - d. 2-14-1978
screenwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
10-17-1905 - Jean Arthur - NYC - d. 6-19-1991
actor: "Ford Theatre"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
10-17-1909 - Minnabelle Abbott - Covington, KY - d. 10-9-1981
actor: Mary Sothern "The Life of Mary Sothern"
10-17-1910 - Florence Williams - St. Louis, MO - d. 3-30-1995
actor: Anne Cameron "Barry Cameron"; Sally Farrell "Front Page Farrell"
10-17-1910 - George W. Briggs, Jr. - Taunton, MA - d. 12-7-1994
staff pianist and arranger for WBZ radio
10-17-1912 - Jack Owens - Tulsa, OK - d. 1-26-1982
vocalist: Cruising Crooner "The Breakfast Club"; "Tin Pan Alley"
10-17-1914 - Jerry Siegel - Cleveland , OH - d. 1-21-1996
co-creator (with Joe Shuster): "Advs. of Superman"
10-17-1915 - Arthur Miller - NYC - d. 2-10-2005
writer: "Cavalcade of America"; "The Doctor Fights"
10-17-1917 - Marsha Hunt - Chicago, IL
actor: Blanche Bickerson "Charlie McCarthy Show"; "Document A/777"
10-17-1917 - Sumner Locke Elliott - Sydney, Australia - d. 6-23-1991
writer: "Jezebel's Daughter"
10-17-1918 - Rita Hayworth - Brooklyn, NY - d. 5-14-1987
actor: "Orson Welles Theatre"; "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Bob Elson on
Board the Century"
10-17-1920 - Elie Abel - Montreal, Canada - d. 7-22-2004
journalist: "Meet the Press"; "When Conventions were Coventions"
10-17-1920 - Montgomery Clift - Omaha, NE - d. 7-23-1966
actor: "Arthur Hopkins Presents"; "Ford Theatre"
10-17-1921 - Tom Poston - Columbus, OH - d. 4-29-2007
comedian: "Arthur Godfrey Show"
10-17-1922 - Luiz Bonfa - Rio de Janeiro, Brazil - d. 1-12-2001
guitarist: "The Quitandinha Serenaders"
10-17-1923 - Barney Kessel - Muskogee, OK - d. 5-6-2004
jazz guitarist: "Jubilee"; "One Night Stand"; "Just Jazz"
10-17-1926 - Beverly Garland - Santa Cruz, CA
actor: Worked in radio early in her career
10-17-1926 - Julie Adams - Waterloo, IA
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
10-17-1941 - Nicholas Hasluck - Canberra, Australia
writer: "The Blue Guitar"
October 17th deaths
01-05-1942 - Susan Odin - d. 10-17-1975
actor: "Elizabeth Sharon Ann Barbour "One Man's Family"
01-13-1885 - Jimmy Monaco - Genoa, Italy - d. 10-17-1945
orchestra leader: WOR Newark, New Jersey
02-01-1904 - S. J. Perelman - NYC - d. 10-17-1979
humorist: "Information, Please"; "Author! Author!"; "Railroad Hour"
02-03-1918 - Joey Bishop - The Bronx, NY - d. 10-17-2007
actor: "Monitor's Salute to Jimmy Durante"
02-13-1919 - "Tennessee" Ernie Ford - Bristol, TN - d. 10-17-1991
singer: "Tennessee Ernie Ford Show"
02-19-1910 - Lionel Clouser - Shamokin, PA - d. 10-17-1942
musician: "The Bob Crosby Show"
03-03-1902 - Ruby Dandridge - Memphis, TN - d. 10-17-1987
actor: Mammy Brown "Gallant Heart"; Geranium "Judy Canova Show"
03-16-1896 - Arthur Hale - d. 10-17-1971
announcer, newscaster: "Confidentially Yours"; "The Richfield Reporter"
03-23-1938 - Christopher Glenn - NYC - d. 10-17-2006
news correspondent: "World News Roundup"; "The World Tonight"
03-28-1915 - Jay Livingston - McDonald, PA - d. 10-17-2001
composer: "Hollywood Calling-George Fisher Interviews"
04-01-1895 - Alberta Hunter - Memphis, Tn - d. 10-17-1984
blues singer: "Jazz at the Simthsonian"
04-10-1902 - Mark Warnow - Monastrischt, Russia - d. 10-17-1949
conductor: "We, the People"; "Your Hit Parade"
05-04-1909 - Ed Max - Georgia - d. 10-17-1980
actor: Mr. Gallagher "Voyage of the Scarlet Queen"
05-07-1931 - Teresa Brewer - Toledo, OH - d. 10-17-2007
singer: "Steve Allen Show"; "Major Bowes Amatuer Hour"
06-12-1901 - Ben Welden - Toledo, OH - d. 10-17-1997
character actor: "Family Theatre"; "Railroad Hour"; "Roy Rogers Show"
08-05-1906 - Joan Hickson - Kingsthorpe - England - d. 10-17-1998
actor: "Strong Poison"
10-15-1922 - Paul Kasander - Detroit, MI - d. 10-17-2002
actor: "Challenge of the Yukon"; "Lone Ranger"; "Green Hornet"
12-11-1911 - Beecher Pete Kirby - Sevierville, TN - d. 10-17-2002
dobro, guitar, banjo player: (Member Smokey Mountain Boys) "Grand Ole
Opry"
12-18-1921 - Chili Williams - Minneapolis, MN - d. 10-17-2003
actor: "Mail Call"; "Truth or Consequences"
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:05:25 -0400
From: <georgewagner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Commercials Clipped from AFRS Re-Broadcasts
I've heard AFRS re-broadcasts of Fibber McGee and Molly programs from the
Johnson Wax years in which the only thing missing from the Glo-Coat
commercial is a direct reference to the actual product. The rest of the
integrated commercial remains intact, as a pithy (if essentially pointless)
little talk on house cleaning.
But the question I've long had is why AFRS didn't run the commercials.
The extra income from those alone would have funded the network, with no
further need to reach into the taxpayers' pockets.
It's been suggested that this might have required an Act of Congress. But
enacting those is what Congress DOES.
Sincerely,
George Wagner
georgewagner@[removed]
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:05:34 -0400
From: rand@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Cecil & Sally
George inquired about Cecil and Sally.
There's a really nice web page about Cecil and Sally here:
[removed]
Short version - Cecil and Sally were Johnny Patrick and Helen Troy. They
got their start at KYA in 1928. Later they were picked up by NBC and
their show was syndicated by MacGregor & Ingram. Patrick wrote the
scripts for the show, producing over a thousand for the series. He'd go
on to win a Pulitzer for the stage version of "Tea House of the August
Moon" and wrote several successful screenplays.
"Please Stand By", a book on early television history, notes that "Cecil
and Sally" was broadcast on CBS television in the early 30s for several
months; CBS was using the mechanical tv system at the time in an early
experiment.
I got really excited a few months back when several Cecil and Sally
syndication discs showed up on that auction site that shall not be named.
Unfortunately, I was outbid at the last minute.
Randy
_________________
Randy A. Riddle
Mebane, NC
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:05:56 -0400
From: Afanofoldradio@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: edie [removed]
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it has been announced that edie adams has died at 81 from cancer-she was the
widow of comic ernie kovacs ed kienzler _afanofoldradio@[removed]_
(mailto:afanofoldradio@[removed]) springfield illinois
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:14:56 -0400
From: EDWARD CARR <edcarr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: jack benny tv shows
hi
i went out and bought the tv shows of jack benny at wal-mart ,and i was
wondering? anyone out there that doesn't live near a mart and interested in
the shows, would they like me to pick up a set for them?
cost just for set $[removed] and post
email me at edcarr@[removed] if so interested
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Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:15:14 -0400
From: Bryan Jensen <zr702@[removed];
To: OTR <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Cimmeron Rolls
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Thanks to those who answered the question about Jack Benny's "Cimmeron
Rolls". Since then I have had several people remember the gag. It must have
been memorable for so many people to remember the episodes. That said, many
mentioned it was in the early 50's. How can I go about finding the dates?
Or if someone knows could you please pass that on. I don't mind searching
for the dates but don't know quite how to do it without listening to all the
shows of the 50's, much as I would like to.
I want to send that group of shows to my niece in the Air Force. She has
joined me in my interest in OTR.
Thanks once more - OTR folk are the nicest on the net.
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