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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2003 : Issue 219
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
blind OTR group [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
Bing Crosby; Amos & Andy [ Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed]; ]
Bob Hope [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
Re: John Dawson [ Thomas Butts <trbutts@[removed] ]
Re Philco Recordings [ "ellsworth o johnson" <eojohnsonww2 ]
Re: Indianapolis 500 [ danhughes@[removed] ]
Re: WGN Indy 500 Broadcasts [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Jack Dawson [ William Harker <wharker@[removed] ]
Benaderet/Benederet [ Bhob <bhob2@[removed]; ]
Frank Gallop or Gallup [ Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed]; ]
Dickens [ "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
An Opry Find [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
Let George Do It [ "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed] ]
Invitation to Learning [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
Bob Hope [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
Billy the Brownie [ "glen schroeder" <gschroeder10@char ]
Re: MAN WITH BOGART'S FACE RADIO PLA [ EKUD@[removed] ]
Re: Charles Dickens [ "Scott Eberbach" <saeberbach@earthl ]
Ed Begley [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
May 30th birthdays [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Today in radio history [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 00:40:50 -0400
From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: blind OTR group
I was told by a person on this list that there was a blind OTR group. He
gave me the address, but I wonder, does anybody know if this is a list to
join, like this one, or a chat room type thing. I haven't looked into it
only because there is some trouble with yahoo groups for me as a blind
person. If somebody could let me know I would appreciate it. Kurt
[ADMINISTRIVIA: If there is a need for such a mailing list, contact me;
perhaps we could host it here on the [removed] server. --cfs3]
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:33:44 -0400
From: Rick Keating <pkeating89@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Bing Crosby; Amos & Andy
I thought everyone might be interested to know that
yesterday's NPR show "Fresh Air" focused on Bing
Crosby, his career, and his influence on American
music. His radio show was discussed, though the focus
was on his career as a whole. I imagine it can be
heard online at [removed]
On another point, I know it's been awhile since this
subject came up and that I should've followed up at
the time, but let it slip by. I just wanted to state
that I agree with those who think Elizabeth should
consider publishing a book about Amos and Andy. Yes, I
know her website has lots of information, and that
many people use the Internet for research, but not
everyone has access to the Internet. Besides, it's
easier to open a book to a specific page than it is to
go online and go to a website.
And, of course, there's still the attitude that things
found online can be suspect, while books-- especially
if they're carried in the local library, and thus have
been approved by people who know worthwhile books from
worthless ones-- are considered to be more reliable.
Granted, I don't know how many people would buy the
book (though I would, at least), but I still think
it'd have a wider-reaching and more long-term impact
thn a website.
I was never particularly interested in Amos and Andy
as a series, but have found myself becoming more
interested in the series and its history from reading
Elizabeth's information about it. I also find myself
sometimes hoping to encounter someone who believes the
series was a sitcom from the start, just so I can tell
them "not true" and point them in Elizabeth's
direction (and it'd be easier to hand them a book then
direct them to a website; for one thing, you can put
the book in their hand, plus, you can lead someone to
a website, but can't make them surf).
Given my relative disinterest in the series, I'm not
sure why I'd want to stick up for Amos & Andy should
the subject come up. Maybe because I think people
should be as informed as possible and abhor the
spreading of inaccurate information.
Of course, the irony is that many people, especially
in today's society, view any new information as
"revisionist history." Personally, I find that both
perplexing and a bit scary. Revisionist history is
saying the Holocaust never happened. But, on the other
hand, if someone brought forth incontrovertable DNA
evidence that Hitler died earlier or later than we'd
believed, that's not revisionist history; that's
simply new information.
Similarly, in 10 years, historians will write about
Bush's "true" motives in waging war on Iraq. But in
100 years, historians might have a completely
different view, based on information, such as
previously sealed presidential files, not available in
2013. Revisionist history? No, just additional facts
coming to life, which paint a more complete picture.
Same concept with Amos and Andy. Elizabeth has
additional facts (and/or facts ignored in the past)
that reveal the "true history" of the show and its
relationship to American life and culture.
People, however, don't want to believe what they were
orgininally taught was wrong or based on faulty or
incomplete information. Still, the only way to educate
people is to reach as many as possible.
Rick
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:34:13 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Bob Hope
Here's a joke In honor of the birthday boy. When Bob Hope was a small child, what did he
say to his mother when she'd just finished nursing him?
"Thanks for the mammaries."
--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210
lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503
[removed]
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:34:46 -0400
From: Thomas Butts
<trbutts@[removed];
To:
[removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: John Dawson
YTJD, the writer's name was
actually John Dawson. His real name was E. Jack Neumann and I'm not sure why
he wrote under the pen name of John Dawson for the Johnny Dollar series, but
he was a well-known writer of radio scripts.
I also do not know why he wrote under a pen name for the 5-part shows, but a
possible reason is that all [or almost all] of his 5-part shows are rewrites of
30-minute shows done by Edmond O'Brien or John Lund - most by Lund. One is
based on
a script from Sam Spade. It is interesting to compare the two versions of the
shows he wrote - sometimes he added some new "scenes" in the beginning of the
story - other times the script is almost the same and is lengthened by Johnny
Dollar summarizing the case so far in every part. Often not much happens in the
first four parts other than setting up the case and then a lot happens in the
final
part to resolve the case.
Tom Butts
Dallas, TX
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:35:18 -0400
From: "ellsworth o johnson" <eojohnsonww2@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re Philco Recordings
I have a small collection of these type Philco home recordings and don't
think I have listened to them for 60 years.
We had a Radio Shop in those days about 1939 in downtown Spokane, Wa ( the
town where Bing Crosby grew up and attended high school and college (
Gonzaga University) Bing frequently played golf here with Bob Hope. There
were more than one brand of discs that would work on the Philco. As I recall
all were acetate coated and the base material was usually aluminum
or fibre. Possibly some were steel and that could easily be proven by
placing a magnet on one. If the base were steel it would be held by the
magnet. I remember the fibre base ones were quite flexible and the metal
base ones were somewhat flexible.
Ellsworth Johnson
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:35:47 -0400
From: danhughes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Indianapolis 500
Tim, Mike, Jim--all you guys grew up in Indianapolis? I'm a Ben Davis
'65 grad myself; lived a few blocks from the track as a kid and had a
tree I could climb to see the race. One of the most vivid and tragic
memories of my childhood is standing in the middle of Eagle Creek,
fishing for smallmouth bass, and listening to my transistor radio (with
one of those tiny earplugs that came with transistor radios in those
days) and hearing the Eddie Sachs crash and seeing the huge clouds of
smoke billowing up from the track a few miles away.
Tim says,
In 1955, Collins came up with the station break cue, "Stay tuned for the
Greatest Spectacle in Racing."
In fact I'm pretty sure that for the first several years the phrase was
"the Greatest Spectacle in Auto Racing." Guess they figured they outdid
the Kentucky Derby so they dropped the word "auto".
---Dan
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:36:17 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: WGN Indy 500 Broadcasts
On 5/29/03 12:47 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:
I do know that in 1924, WDAP Chicago, days from becoming WGN, covered
the race from start to finish. That may have been the first flag-to-flag
coverage. It was covered as a sports event, but "Sam and Henry"
themselves were on hand, doing comedy routines during the duller
stretches. Henry Ford was a celebrity guest.
A small point, but an important one (at least to me!) -- while WDAP
indeed covered the race in 1924, they did it without the services of Sam
and Henry, since Sam and Henry didn't yet exist -- Correll and Gosden
were still working for the Joe Bren Producing Company in 1924, and
wouldn't join WGN until the fall of 1925.
However, Sam and Henry did appear on the WGN Indianapolis 500 broadcasts
in both 1926 and 1927, joining WGN announcer Quin Ryan for the duration
of the race. WGN had a regular policy of originating its own coverage of
outstanding sports events, and during 1926 and 1927 Sam and Henry, as the
station's most popular program, were occasionally used as a special added
attraction on these broadcasts.
Elizabeth
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:36:41 -0400
From: William Harker <wharker@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jack Dawson
I thank the folks who noted Jack Dawson's real name was E. Jack Newman. It
turns out Chandler and Newman corresponded. Unfortunately, the only letter
I have is one from Chandler to Newman and that contains only a racy
limerick. Chandler wrote poetry and was fond of tossing off risque limericks.
Of more importance is the regard Chandler held for Jack Dawson as a
writer. Following the demise of the Philip Marlowe radio show, there was
talk of a Philip Marlowe tv series. Chandler wanted Dawson to be the
writer for the tv show.
Bill Harker
wharker@[removed]
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:37:41 -0400
From: Bhob <bhob2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Benaderet/Benederet
Don Wilson, Mary Livingston Benny, Eddie-Rochester-Anderson and my
favorite (whose name I can't spell) Bea [removed];<<
As I recall, Bea Benaderet gave up on an "official" spelling, so her
name did not have a single spelling. When magazines or writers phoned
and asked which was correct -- Benaderet or Benederet -- they were told
BOTH were correct.
But Benaderet is obviously the favored spelling. Checking on Google, I
got 1390 results for Benaderet, 73 results for Benederet and 15 for both
of these spellings on the same page.
Another Internet spelling curiosity is Chris Chubbock, the Florida
morning show host who committed suicide on live television in 1974. The
wrong spelling of her name persists because young people continue to
repost her quote just before she pulled the trigger, generating an
endless repetition of a long ago post with a single letter dropped. I
get ten Google results for Christine Chubbock and 33 results for Chris
Chubbock. But the INCORRECT spelling of her name, Chris Hubbock, brings
177 results! I often use this as an example of how the Internet is the
greatest tool ever invented for spreading misinformation.
Bhob @ CLASSIC NEWSPAPER COMIC STRIPS @
[removed]
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:38:05 -0400
From: Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Frank Gallop or Gallup
Well podnuh, its Gallup if your from Pol Land and Gallop If "You don't have
to be Jewish"
Speaking of Jewish the following is an example of Frank Gallop's lyrics.
[removed]
Be of good cheer,
Ed Kindred
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:38:16 -0400
From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Dickens
In reply to Frank Thomas's question about radio plays based on Charles
Dickens, I'd like to refer him to one that was done on "Escape" entitled,
"The Man Who Loved Dickens". It was adapted from a short story, but I can't
remember the author. It's a story that has stuck with me ever since I heard
it. Hopefully, Frank isn't quite as passionate as the story's subject!
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:40:15 -0400
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: An Opry Find
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>From E-Bay I just "won" a pretty rare souvenir of Nashville's "Grand Ole
Opry."
It's an intact ticket to the Opry dated Nov 12, 1939, and it's to the "Opry
House" at 410 Fatherland Street.
This in fact was the huge wooden Dixie Tabernacle; the home of the Opry
between the Hillsboro Theatre (still operating) and the War Memorial
Auditorium
(where THE Opry got the boot for chewing gum under the theater seats, so it
moved, in 1943, to the Ryman Auditorium).
The Dixie Tabernacle has long been demolished.
I just wonder why the ticket wasn't used, and what caused somebody to save
this rare ticket for all these years?!
BILL KNOWLTON
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 10:40:33 -0400
From: "Andrew Godfrey" <niteowl049@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Let George Do It
Have been reading the posts for several months now and unless I have
missed it I have never heard Let George Do It mentioned. I have listened to
two shows and have really enjoyed them. This show had a lot of big name
stars in it over the year as guest actors.
This show was on for several years but when it comes to detective shows
being mentioned it is often left out. To me it was a very good show but you
hear very little about it. Being a Bob Bailey fan it made it even easier for
me to like.
Would like to hear others comments about this show pro or con.
Andrew Godfrey
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:19:43 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Invitation to Learning
Joe Mackey wrote:
1940 - Invitation to Learning was first heard on CBS. The educational
program ran for 15 years.
Actually it ran 24 years, with barely a break in between - but what's a few
years? Ended in 1964. I compiled an episode guide last year with the help
of some friends on this Digest.
Martin Grams, Jr.
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:49:46 -0400
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Bob Hope
Susan Stamberg did a very nice appreciation of Bob Hope on NPR Morning
Edition this [removed] It's about 7 minutes -- Listen to it at:
[removed]
Alan
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:19:22 -0400
From: "glen schroeder" <gschroeder10@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Billy the Brownie
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Hi Mark.
I am 56 years old and I grew up listening to Billy the Brownie every Christmas
on WTMJ. It was sponsored by Schusters Department Store. It went off, I
believe, in 1956 when I was nine years old. My brother is older than I am and
remembers it longer. The Christmas before last my brother bought a couple of
cassettes of the show that they were selling at WTMJ. You could try to get
hold of them and see if you can still get them. if not, get in contact with
me off list and I could make copies for you.
Hope I've been of some help.
Love Dis List
Glen Schroeder
Madison WI
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 13:49:20 -0400
From: EKUD@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: MAN WITH BOGART'S FACE RADIO PLAY
RE: The radio Premiere of The Man with Bogart's Face
A comedy by Andrew Fenady -
I got the wrong date the premiere is actually June 8th.
Sorry for the misinformation.
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:37:03 -0400
From: "Scott Eberbach" <saeberbach@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Charles Dickens
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You can also try [removed] this site list 165 [removed]
seem to be the usual offerings though there are some short stories listed.
When you get to the site search by artist under Dickens, Charles and you will
get the listing. To get the shows you want you'll have to contact other
dealers since Goldin sold all his holdings to Radio Spirits a few year ago.
Hope this helps.
Scott
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:37:08 -0400
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Ed Begley
Robert Angus expresses concern over the lack of mention of Ed Begley in
this forum and notes that he appeared in "Inherit the Wind."
I agree with Robert's assessment of Begley's importance. However, as Jim
Cox points out, Begley hasn't been overlooked by radio historians.
Begley, by the way, does not appear in a movie version of "Inherit the
Wind," at least not in the Spencer Tracy-Fredric March version of 1960, or
a later, poorer rendition in 1988 in which Jason Robards and Kirk Douglas
star. Maybe the original play or the television re-make?
But he does appear in "Patterns," my favorite of all Rod Serling's plays.
Originally a television production, the movie version in 1956 features
Begley in one of his best roles and also stars Everett Sloane. Both actors
appeared in the "Kraft TV Theater" production performed live the previous
year, which I happened to see and have never forgotten.
Sloane is a ruthless businessman who undermines and humiliates Begley with
such intimidating force,
that Begley collapses with a heart attack while he feebly stands up to
Sloane. Watching Begley as the victim of the heartless Sloane, one wants to
catch him as he falls and tell him everything is going to be fine; he is
that good in his characterization. Begley plays a victim even better than
the ones to which he lays waste in his amazingly long list of "cops and
robbers" roles. Leonard Maltin characterizes Begley's acting in "Patterns"
as a "bravura performance." He should have been Oscar-nominated in my
humble opinion.
You need to see it. Thanks to Robert Angus for being Begley's name into
our discussion. He is, indeed, a superstar.
Dennis Crow
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:54:22 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: May 30th birthdays
If you were born on Memorial Day, you share your birthday with:
05-30-1891 - Ben Bernie - Bayonne, NJ - d. 10-20-1943
bandleader: (The Old Maestro) "Ben Bernie Orchestra"; "Musical Mock Trial"
05-30-1892 - Raymond Clapper - LaCygne, KS - d. 2-1-1944
commentator: (Killed During WWII) "News and Commentary for White Owl Cigars"
05-30-1896 - Whispering Jack Smith - The Bronx, NY - d. 5-13-1950
singer: "Whispering Jack Smith"
05-30-1906 - Norris Goff - Cove, AR - d. 6-7-1978
actor: Abner Peabody "Lum and Abner"
05-30-1908 - Mel Blanc - San Francisco, CA - d. 7-10-1989
actor: Professor Pierre La Blanc "Jack Benny Program"; August Moon "Point
Sublime"
05-30-1909 - Benny Goodman - Chicago, IL - d. 6-13-1986
bandleader: (King of Swing) "Camel Caravan"; "Victor Borge Show"
05-30-1917 - Peter Leeds - Bayonne, NJ - d. 11-12-1996
actor: Eugor "Rogue's Gallery"; "Bob Hope Show"; "Stan Freberg Show"
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn and Spencer Tracy
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Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 17:39:50 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in radio history
5/29
1939 - When a Girl Marries was first heard on CBS.
1943 - The Million Dollar Band was heard for the first time on NBC.
Charlie Spivak was the first leader of the band that featured Barry Wood
as vocalist. The unusual feature of the show was the awarding each week
of five diamond rings.
5/30
1922 - "Smilin" Ed McConnell debuted, smiling and playing his banjo.
McConnell quickly became a legend in the medium.
1935 - America's Town Meeting was heard for the first time. The NBC
program continued for 21 years, with a name change to Americ's Town
Meeting of the Air.
1938 - Joyce Jordan, Girl Intern was first heard interning on CBS.
The serial later evolved into The Brighter Day (1948).
Joe
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