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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 01 : Issue 195
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
semi-OT Dr. Who [Joe Salerno <salernoj@[removed]; ]
The Goldbergs ["laurie1125" <lauriep@[removed]; ]
Inspector White [otrbuff@[removed] ]
Kitty and Matt [Joe Salerno <salernoj@[removed]; ]
The old fight [PGreco2254@[removed] ]
Copyright comment [Jim Mayor <jmayor@[removed]; ]
Sorry, Wrong Number [Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Copyright Versus Copy, Right? ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
Suspense info ["Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm]
HOA Lives On! ["jstokes" <jstokes@[removed]; ]
jingle mystery [Michael Berger <intercom1@attglobal]
Fans [JackBenny@[removed] ]
Re: BABY SNOOKS [Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
Arthur Vinton [William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];]
SUNDAY COMICS [garysteinweg@[removed] ]
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:46:06 -0400
From: Joe Salerno <salernoj@[removed];
To: OTR List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: semi-OT Dr. Who
Look at [removed] for the
story of the new Dr. Who 30-minute radio play being produced by the BBC and
being web cast exclusively on the BBC Dr. Who site. It isn't exactly old
time radio, but it seems pretty close. A new dramatic play, a recurring
character, a new distribution technology, not so different from the 1930s is
it?
Air date is Friday July 13. I didn't see the exact air time.
Joe Salerno
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 17:55:43 -0400
From: "laurie1125" <lauriep@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Goldbergs
Very much interested in knowing more about the radio show The
Goldbergs, and does anyone know where I can obtain a copy of this
show.
Laurie Platt
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:30:56 -0400
From: otrbuff@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Inspector White
Jay Hickerson lists a program titled "Inspector White of Scotland Yard."
This quarter-hour sustaining drama aired at 5:30 [removed] between 1936-37
over MBS twice weekly. If you could contribute any further specifics
about this series (premise, cast, premier and/or final episode dates) I
would be sincerely grateful. You may contact me directly.
Jim Cox
otrbuff@[removed]
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:30:58 -0400
From: Joe Salerno <salernoj@[removed];
To: OTR List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Kitty and Matt
What exactly was the relationship between Ms. Kitty and Marshall Dillon?
Were they ever an item or did they have some kind of an "agreement"?
Joe Salerno
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:31:00 -0400
From: PGreco2254@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The old fight
Hi,
I have been reading the e-mails concerning Radio Spirits and all the wrong
that CA
is doing. A great deal of wonderful comments, a great deal of the members
doing their homework. As I see it, all the e-mails, all the letters don't
amount to a hill of beans.
CA will not bend, he will continue just as he has been not showing what shows
he has etc. Its interesting reading, but will not change CA's thinking. All
it mange's to do is make some of the collectors, dealers etc. hot under the
collar and makes the blood boil. It also gives mr CA much [removed] the Will
Rogers once wrote "I don't care what you say about me in the papers, as long
as you spell my name right". Yes my otr friends
you are spelling his name and company right. Off my soapbox, back to
[removed]
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:58:46 -0400
From: Jim Mayor <jmayor@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Copyright comment
I don't know about anyone else out there, but all my life I have worked for
an agreed-upon salary. All the work I ever did (I was an engineer) I was
paid for, yet for over 30 years others have taken what I have done and
either used it or expanded upon it and I was never "compensated," nor was
anything ever offered beyond what I was originally paid.
So I should have copyrighted my work? No, I got paid for it and if someone
can benefit from it, OK.
Now about those johnnie-come-lately copyrighters. Who is benefiting from
the copyright? The original artists? I doubt it, but maybe sometimes they
are. Sometimes it is the heirs of the artists. That sure makes strange
sense to me.
Jim Mayor <jmayor@[removed];
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 21:58:48 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Sorry, Wrong Number
OTRChris says:
I maintain that this fluff was heard coast to coast and not just in the EAST.
You only surmise that the SUSPENSE announcer was referring only to an
East Coast performance. He never once makes that claim .
My copy does not have the fluff in it and ends with the announcement that
next week's episode is Banquo's Chair. As this is the correct sequence, I
have to assume that I have the correct date attached to this episode -
5/25/43. If so, then I would have to assume that there were two broadcasts
if there is one with a fluff.
Here is what I hear:
After the screams from Ms. Moorehead, in which she is killed, I hear the
phone drop and then I hear the policeman come on saying something like
"Police Headquarters. Inspector Martin speaking. Police Headquarters.
Inspector Martin speaking."
Then a voice comes on saying something like: "Oh, police
headquarters? Sorry, wrong number."
Those are not exact quotes, but the sequence is clear to me that this is
not a fluff. If the criminal's line is said first in the fluff, then again,
Chris, how would you explain that I don't have the fluff AND "Banquo's
Chair" is announced as next week's show. It is pretty clear to me that the
announcement for the next week show was not "edited" onto the end.
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:14:06 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Copyright Versus Copy, Right?
The latest thread concerning copyrights, ownership, etc., is beginning to
lose sight of what started this discussion. Going back to Dan Panke's
comment,
The person who cares is the person who digs through their archives,
pulls out an old broadcast, digitizes it and posts it so the recording
lives on.
is the point where the object of the discussion shifts for certain. The
initial concern was that a company was in the process of trying to corner
the market completely. There have been allegations that cease and desist
letters with content sufficiently vague so that for competitors to comply
would require for them to cease operations altogether have been sent by
the company under discussion. If these allegations are true, such
actions would be at least morally, and possibly legally questionable.
However, the main bone of contention involves which programs are
protected and which are in public domain. IMHO, it's quite a different
thing to argue that for all practical purposes, _all_ shows should
effectively be placed into public domain.
Let's assume there had been a show called "The Fiddler." (Jack Benhy OTR
fans might recall where that came from.) Let's further assume that a
complete set of transcription disks for the show exists. Now there are
four main possibilities for the show: (1) it's protected, and the owner
has granted a single dealer exclusive distribution rights; (2) it's
protected, and the owner has granted distribution rights to more than one
dealer nonexclusively; (3) it's protected, but the owner refuses to let
anyone distribute it; or (4) it's in the public domain. Only in
situation #4 is there no question about a person distributing The Fiddler
without some business arrangement. Distributing in any of the other
three situations is violation of someone's rights and is illegal.
There are, however, gray areas with regards to ownership. One of the
reasons there is any controversy about some of the shows being sold is
because of these uncertainties. Now if The Fiddler fell into a gray
area, then it's understandable that dealers might sell these shows. That
very condition applies to a lot of shows currently being sold: there's no
clearcut status to these programs.
Staying away from legalisms for a moment, the ethics of a situation like
the foregoing should be that nobody would knowingly sell another's
property. It's that simple. If the status of a program is unclear, then
it's understandable that dealer might sell them: they might honestly
believe that the shows in question are in public domain.
By contrast, deliberately selling protected programs is something else:
theft of intellectual property.
Stephen [removed], Jr.
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:14:08 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Suspense info
Chris asked:
When SUSPESE aired in it's initial Wednesday night and then subsequent
Tuesday Night at 9:30PM EWT slot 1942-43 I haven't found any evidence that
there was in fact a seperate West Coast [removed] have provided evidence from
radio logs as proof . At this time all the western stations were airing
SUSPENSE at 6:30 PM PWT.
What information can you offer that would suggest otherwise?
First off, newspaper listings only listed what was "scheduled" for
broadcast, and what programs are listed in one local area newspaper doesn't
mean that somewhere else on the same coast, a couple hundred miles north or
south wasn't carrying different. As for radio logs, many have circulated,
compiled by different radio researchers, and not always taken as the gospel.
(Course not every book or log is perfect either, I'm prone to a couple
oops in my work). One noticable difference is when Roma Wines sponsored
Suspense, the show was heard on a different night of the week, Thursday on
the East Coast, and Monday on the West Coast. My sources came from national
magazines like Radio Mirror that listed both coast's broadcast dates, since
the magazine was national. (Script covers also help on occassion.)
The initial airing is the one that had an error in it.
On the May 25, 1943 East Coast version
I maintain that this fluff was heard coast to coast and not just in the
EAST. You only surmise that the SUSPENSE announcer was referring only to an
East Coast performance. He never once makes that claim .
When issuing the correction over the air, it was logical that the announcer
not say a reference to the East Coast only. Remember, even people in
England (five hours ahead of NY) and California (three hours behind NY)
could pick up the East Coast broadcasts with their radios, on occassion.
Never once can I recall a station announcer mentioning their broadcast was
only for one coast - although I'm sure there have been exceptions - and
would make great dinner conversation.
There does exist both the East Coast and West Coast version of
the May 1943 broadcasts, which feature the different endings.
I and others have suggested that someone has corrected the ending on one
version by cleverly editing the ending . And unfortunately this has been
passed off as a west coast version . Where there really isn't one.
Again, I'd suggest you catch up to the two Ted Davenport and listen to
those. He has both coasts, and I haven't been able to hear any cuts.
(Goodness knows how many times I've heard butchered up episodes of Arch
Oboler's Plays with Lights Out opening themes!)
Martin
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:14:11 -0400
From: "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: HOA Lives On!
Here's an interesting story. Back in the days when I did custom
duplication for people from their masters supplied, I got a request from
the local Y. They were doing quite well with an exercise class for people
with "bad backs." The exercise lady at the Y had a tape of exercises, and
she wanted a bunch of copies. So okay, I take the tape back to my studio
and listen to her cassette "original."
And who the heck is narrating the exercise tape but the unmistakeable
voice of WABC's HOA -- Herb Oscar Anderson! Heh. It was technically a
bad dub. But interesting as heck. There was HOA encouraging people to
s-t-r-e-t-c-h to some production background music. He was having fun with
some tongue in cheek humor. I had to laugh at Herb, despite the poor dub
quality.
Indeed, the tape had an echo, echo, echo. First I thought it was
print-through. But nope, it was a loop-through dub, where a bunch of e/r/p
head recorders were daisy-chained, taking the feed off the play head of the
previous recorder and then looped back to the original deck! Whew!
"Where'd you get this tape, I asked? It is not a good dub! Listen to
it! " She wasn't even aware of the echo, echo, echo. After some digging
around she found me a cleaner copy. Background hiss, but no loop-through
feedback. And there on that copy was printed the name of a non-profit
organization in New York City. Time fades my memory here just which. It
might have been the the Heart Asssociation or the Y in NYC. heh.
Next question. Do you have permission to copy this? She whisks out a
letter to me stating that yep, the local Y here could make copies. "You
hear the hiss? Do you want me to try to get rid of it? That will be
extra?'
Nope. Just run it. Two trips downtown, parking both times, and
finally it was just about worth it to make those copies. But not by much
$.
So, heh. I listened again to HOA go though exercises. This time at
high speed duplication.
It was fun to hear good old HOA again. But all that screwing around
just to do a few copies was one of the deciding factors for me to get out of
duplicating and into photography. And later on, into writing &
videomaking. Better decisions. :)
Jim Stokes
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Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2001 22:14:09 -0400
From: Michael Berger <intercom1@[removed];
To: otr <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: jingle mystery
Am sure this has been mentioned before, but in listening to a 1943
Information Please show noted a mysterious intro: "The best tunes
of all move to Carnegie [removed]" repeated three or four times. No
explanation. Then the show starts. Must be an NBC promo of some
kind, like a show that'll be broadcast from Carnegie Hall, but am
sure that someone out there knows precisely what this
little jingle really means.
Michael Berger
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:08:32 -0400
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fans
In the recent discussion of bloopers, it got me to thinking about some of the
interesting experiences I've had with radio "fans". One of my regular stints
was the midnight to 6AM slot, and my deep voice became popular with several
listeners. (You can call 254-378-9800 for a sample, as I am still the "Voice
of Globalstar" for the US, Canada, and Carribbean.) One listener called
around 2AM and informed me that he worked in the county morgue. I blanched a
bit myself, and considered the possibilities of his comment, "I enjoy your
show. It really livens things up around here."
Another fan was an older man named Paul, who was a security guard. He called
regularly, and was very friendly. At one time I had another listener who
wanted to get a little too up-close-and-personal (another story), and Paul's
advice was, "If anything happens, just open up the mike and start yelling.
I'll be right there with the police!" Paul and I had breakfast on a couple
occasions, since we both got off work about the same time.
A couple months later, we were talking in the restaurant parking lot after
breakfast. Some birds were circling above us. As we chatted, Paul looked up
at the birds, slowly shook his finger at them, and said darkly, "Don't you
harm a hair of her head!"
In the words of [removed]"Ruh-roh." I said goodbye shortly thereafter, and
moved to California. You can never be too sure.
--Laura Leff
President, IJBFC
[removed]
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 09:08:30 -0400
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: BABY SNOOKS
Thanks to everyone who sent me copies of Baby Snooks. I've got the file.
This group is great. I'll let you know how it goes after I get back from
the school today.
Fred
For the best in Old Time Radio Shows [removed]
New e-commerce page [removed]
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 13:57:02 -0400
From: William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Arthur Vinton
Harold Zeigler wondered about Arthur Vinton (not Venton). He was a
regular on Phillip Morris Playhouse on which I was the engineer for it's
last two seasons. Arthur was a very distinguished gentleman and a fine
actor. I remember him well.
I would also like to comment on west coast repeat shows. They were always
live up untill the late forties. I started working as an engineer at CBS
in December of 1944 in New York, transferred to Hollywood in the spring
of 1945, returning to New York in 1951. It was during that period that
turntables were installed in studios 5 and 6 at KNX, and we started
playing back the disc recorded repeats which were recorded at Radio
Recorders. Therefore, the original live repeats could be altered but the
recorded ones could not. Discs could not be altered, except by doing the
whole side over again. (There were transcription machines in the local
KNX station break studio, Studio 7 for transcribed commercials)
Bill Murtough
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Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 15:49:58 -0400
From: garysteinweg@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: SUNDAY COMICS
Recent subscriber, short-time lurker, first time submitter.
When I was very young (3-5 yrs / late 1940's), the highlight of the
week was to listen to the Sunday comics being read over the radio
Sunday morning (before or after church - I can't really remember)
while I followed along with the comic strip pictures. (This was in
the Los Angeles area.) There were two different programs to go
along with the different comics from the two major newspapers.
The one we listened to was "Puck, the Comic Weekly".
Each of the comics had it's own cast of "readers" (or so I
thought/think), and each comic strip was introduced by a ditty
and (what's now called) bumper music. A couple of partial
examples:
"Gallop and run, til the road is dusty, give us music for his
horse and Rusty" which announced "Rusty Riley" who was
a jockey (I think).
"Rigga-digga doon doon, saska-matash! Give us music for
heroic Flash" which announced Flash Gordon (at least that's
how I remember it).
"Squeezum, squeezum, chitty chit chat, give us music for
biddy quack-quack" (prolly have a really skewed memory
on this one) which I have no recollection of what was being
announced.
My purpose for "sharing" these early memories is to
find out if anyone else remembers any of this, AND to
find out if there's a website I can go to to help me
"refresh" my memory on what those ditties really
said. Any leads would be appreciated.
It was later on, through the 1950's that I really enjoyed
sitting in front of the radio in the evening (much like kids
sit in front of the TV now) to listen to my favorite evening
programs. Sundays were a special time because the entire
afternoon was filled with science fiction radio programs from
around noon-time to around 5 [removed] I had a small yellow
indian TeePee that I'd set up in the back yard and listen to
one program after another using an extension cord from
the house.
Even after we got a TV, I preferred the radio until it
finally died because TV programming wasn't very good in
those years.
Yawn . . . I'm starting to bore me.
Hope someone can provide additional information about
Sunday mornings and the comics.
Regards, Gary in Sandy Eggo (San Diego)
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