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Date: 7/8/2001 6:38 PM
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                      The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                         Volume 01 : Issue 221
                   A Part of the [removed]!
                           ISSN: 1533-9289


                           Today's Topics:

 OTR Radio Replicas                   ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 Hopalong Cassidy                     ["Jack Sayre" <kylongboy@[removed];   ]
 Re: archie radio show                ["Henry R. Moreno" <henry@[removed];]
 Jughead's Real Name                  ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 How Novel!                           ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 Live From The Studio                 ["Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@]
 The Maltese Falcon" from Academy Awa [Susan Flewelling <kmm@[removed]]
 Jughead's Real Name?                 ["michael edwards" <medwards_47@hotm]
 I disinherit David Fan-Off           [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];    ]
 Jugheads Name                        [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];    ]
 Archie again                         ["J. Randolph Cox" <cox@[removed]]
 Re: Jughead's real name?             ["Robert Paine" <macandrew@[removed]]
 Re: Bob & Ray                        [StevenL751@[removed]                 ]
 Re:Gildy and the McGee connection    [Kenneth L Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]]
 Archie Show Old Farts                [hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];    ]
 SPERDVAC Convention                  [FIRESIDE23@[removed]                 ]
 Rights to Hopalong Cassidy           [luckycowboy@[removed] (Gregory Robe]
 Harry Bartell/The Shadow             [ARago17320@[removed]                 ]
 Funniest shows:                      ["James G. DuPuy" <dupuy@[removed]]

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 10:44:02 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR Radio Replicas

A few weeks ago, a regional discount chain, Big Lots, advertised "Wooden
Antique AM/FM Radio" models (two different) at $[removed] in a flyer.  The
photo looked fairly authentic, though the wooden cabinet looked earlier
than the FM days.  However, when I inspected the unit at the store, it
was a miniature, unable to contain even one Old Radio tube, not to
mention a full complement of them.  The models, which looked like table
model units, were cute enough, and had a speaker that was a bit larger
than in the average semiconductor pocket radio, so the sound was a bit
richer.

This got me thinking.  I wonder whether those who didn't live through the
age might not think that that was the size range of old radios.
Revisionist history by marketing?

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:13:48 -0400
From: "Jack Sayre" <kylongboy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Hopalong Cassidy

I have found out from being a Hoppy fan that Hopalong Cassiday is surely
protected under copyright laws. Hopalong Cassidy and Hoppy, including all
images and likenesses are registered trademarks of [removed] Television Office
You will find out much more at this link  [removed]
William Boyd bought all of the rights to his movies and even had his own
production company for a time. I hope this will help.
Jack Sayre

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:13:50 -0400
From: "Henry R. Moreno" <henry@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: archie radio show

Garry wrote :

Having been an avid reader of Archie comic books as a kid, I was filled with
excitement when my parents took me to the radio studio from which the show
was broadcast.  I fully expected to see a live performance of the comic book
characters in full costume acting out the script.  What a disappointment to
find a bunch of people reading from paper scripts and sitting in front of
[removed] not to mention the fact that the actors were so old (probably
over 30) and looked nothing like their characters!  Did anyone else out
there have a similar traumatic experience?

I had a similar traumatic experience when my parents took me to see (hear)
the 'Henry Aldrich Show' in 1949.  The very minimum that I expected was
presentation at least akin to the Senior High School Plays.

After seeing the show live, I always had trouble imaging the show as I once
had and, instead, would see a bunch of 'old' people around a microphone.

Henry

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:13:51 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jughead's Real Name

Jer51473 asks about Jughead's name,

Certainly when he was born his mother didnt look down at him and say "I
shall call him Jughead". Maybe the answer to this came up earlier and I
missed it, if not does anyone know?

I believe his "real" name was Forsythe P. Jones (possibly with a "the
third" or "the fourth"), if memory serves.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:13:54 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  How Novel!

Bryan Powell speaks of getting a set of tapes called "Old Time Radio
Novels."  In it,

The "novels" include hour-long versions of "Rebecca," "Grapes of
Wrath," and the Scarlet Pimpernel," and a 30-minute "The Maltese Falcon"
from Academy Award Theater, b/w a Bold Venture episode.

Which brings up an interesting thought.  If we include Bold Venture as an
OTR "novel," I wonder how many "novels" were written for OTR.  Probably
many tens of thousands.  Will dealers start selling "collections of
novels" instead of programs?  :-)

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:13:55 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Live From The Studio

Gerry Halpern, speaking of OTR productions, notes,

I was filled with excitement when my parents took me to the radio
studio from which the show
was broadcast.  I fully expected to see a live performance of the comic
book characters in full costume acting out the script.  What a
disappointment to find a bunch of people reading from paper scripts and
sitting in front of microphones.

Even when I was growing up, after having attended the recording of a
locally produced radio show, I wondered why anyone would like to visit a
radio studio to see a live broadcast.  Naturally, all one would see would
be people and a sound-effects person in front of microphones, whether
reading from scripts or not (someone playing an accordion, for example,
wouldn't have a script while playing).  A schoolmate of mine said he
attended a Life With Luigi performance, and he indicated that Mary Shipp
was a Babe (she played Miss Spaulding, the teacher at the night school).
But even though 14-year-old boys love to look at pretty women, I don't
think attending a live studio performance would have increased my
appreciation of the show.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:22:59 -0400
From: Susan Flewelling <kmm@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Maltese Falcon" from Academy Award Theater

I have a copy of this as a half hour episode - the date is given as 7/3/1946

Susan Flewelling

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:21:44 -0400
From: "michael edwards" <medwards_47@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jughead's Real Name?

Jer 51473 writes:

Certainly when he was born his mother didnt look down at him and say "I
shall call him Jughead". Maybe the answer to this came up earliar and I
missed it, if not does anyone know? Haarlaan?

Well, according to the comic books, Jughead's real name is Forsythe P.
Jones.  Whether this was always the case, or was a detail added by later
Archie chroniclers, I don't know.

Michael Edwards, another lifelong Archie fan.

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:43:40 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  

"Gerry Halpern" Wrote:

Having been an avid reader of Archie comic books as a kid, I was filled with
excitement when my parents took me to the radio studio from which the show
was broadcast.  I fully expected to see a live performance of the comic book
characters in full costume acting out the script.  What a disappointment to
find a bunch of people reading from paper scripts and sitting in front of
[removed]

Am I being set up, or what???

But to add insult to injury, Jerry goes on to sayŠ

not to mention the fact that the actors were so old (probably
over 30) and looked nothing like their characters!  Did anyone else out
there have a similar traumatic experience?

I now strike the famous Jack Benny pose and say,(in a huff) ŠŠŠWell!

But seriously, folksŠŠ Jerry, I think your putting me on to get a rise out
of me. (AND IT WORKED).

First of all, I have difficulty believing that you really attended a
performance. There are several major inaccuracies in your story. The biggest
one is that WE NEVER "SAT AROUND" IN FRONT OF MICROPHONES. The only accurate
part of that sentence was that we did indeed read from "paper" scripts.
(Stone tablets had been done away with long ago). And as far as the
"Characters" being in "Full Costumes", you gotta be kidding me. Do you
really think I'd be seen in public wearing that dumb "Beanie"?

It would have been interesting to know what year you went to see the show.

I suppose to a young whippersnapper's eyes, anyone older than 18 looked "so
Old" in your estimation. But then again, Gloria Mann (Veronica) wore lots of
makeup. (Rosemary Rice (Betty) will probably scratch your eyes out if she
ever heard you call her "So Old" back in those days. As far as Bob Hastings
(Archie) is concerned, he was "Old" the day he was born. :)

Gad! I certainly hope your "Traumatic" experience didn't scar you for the
remainder of your life!

OK! My fun's over. Let's get serious, Jerry.

In all probability, really young kids might not have known what to expect
when they attended the broadcast. (that's the Mom's fault for not explaining
what they could expect to see). I'm sure they imagined all sorts of things,
as you did. But I never heard any complaints before, saw disappointment on
the kid's faces, Or tales of Trauma's :) By the way, did you hang around for
an autograph after the show? If so, I want it back!

Bob Hastings and I did all we could, clowning around while (Standing) and
moving around, the Microphones, acting as goofy as possible with body
language if it fit the dialogue. We tried to bring life to the "Characters"
that way.

But the part I enjoyed the most was the reaction of the "Teenage" girls when
I was introduced during the studio warm-up. There was an audible gasp when I
appeared, and murmurs, that I didn't look at all like "Jughead". THANK GOD
FOR SMALL FAVORS! (Got more than a few dates that way) :) And if I had been
as old as you thought, I'd have been arrested for "Child" molestation. :)

Jerry, how can I make amends for your disappointment.

By the way. Do you wear glasses?

Hope you don't mind my kidding around with you.

Warm regards,(From someone who finally is over 30)

Hal(Harlan)Stone

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:43:36 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  I disinherit David Fan-Off

Did anyone notice David Fan-0ffs sly inference in his posting.

 > I, too, want to enter into the great debate on the origin of the name
GILDERSLEEVE. <SNIP>

Hal Stone (Pop) supplies:

I wish to declare publicly that I am not responsible for fathering him.
Certainly not after his lame explanation for the origin of "Guildersleeve".

He once messaged me that I was old enough to be his father, and though that
perhaps I really was. Obviously a ploy to contest my Last Will & Testament
at some future date.

Can you believe the people that Charlie Summers let's post to the Digest.

Go play with your blocks, David. :)

Hal(Harlan)Stone

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:44:14 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jugheads Name

Jer51473 asked about Jugheads real name?

Maybe the answer to this came up earliar and I missed it.

Yep. You sure did Jer. Try to pay closer attention. :)

But when I was asked the first time, I have to confess I didn't remember. I
looked like a real jerk for not knowing, when an artist who worked for
Archie Comics posted the correct answer. It was Forsyth P. Jones. No wonder
he preferred being called "Jughead". But then again, the name was rarely
used on the Radio Program. Looking back on it now, the only one I remember
calling me Forsyth, was "stuffy" Mrs. Lodge (Veronica's mother).

Hal(Harlan)Stone
"Forsyth"

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:43:37 -0400
From: "J. Randolph Cox" <cox@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Archie again

The current discussion of various aspects of that American institution
Archie Andrews is refreshing considering that the general opinion of the
comics among die-hard comic collectors has never been high. (OTOH this has
not prevented the value of the early issues from being priced fairly high in
the Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide). The comic book began in 1942, the
radio show in 1943, and I noticed in the Price Guide that issue #4 has an
article about the radio series.

My favorite comic version of the character was the newspaper strip signed by
Bob Montana himself which he did from 1946 to 1975. It was often hilarious.

Randy Cox

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:08:39 -0400
From: "Robert Paine" <macandrew@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Jughead's real name?

I'm going back thirty years - to the comic books - but I seem to recall his
full name was Forsythe P. Jones.

I've imagined Jughead's voice as a typical teenager - adenoidal, cracking at
the worst possible moment, the usual things we went through in adolescence.
My question for Harland Stone is how did the director want you to do
Jughead's voice? I know you said you didn't watch the TV cartoons but as I
remember the voice was close to what I described.

I apologize if it was answered before but I was away in merry old England
for two great weeks. Didn't get to see any radio stuff but did see the great
air museum at Duxford. Next time, the War Cabinet Rooms and Britain at War -
which says there is a re-created BBC studio, ca. WW2. Hmm, I wonder if I'll
get to audition for D-Day correspondent? (Dream on - it costs nothing.)

 Macandrew

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 13:44:49 -0400
From: StevenL751@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Bob & Ray

In a message dated 07/08/2001 11:02:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:

I've been listening to a bunch of short bits from B&R,
but I can't figure out what the format of their show was?
Can anyone tell me if it was a half hour show with random bits,
or something totally different.

Yes, essentially Bob & Ray's show was a collection of random bits and skits,
connected together by commentary by Bob and Ray as themselves.   They started
locally in Boston in 1946, went network in 1951, and were still being heard
in new programs on NPR into the early 1980's.  Depending on the year the show
ranged from 15-60 minutes in length.   Some of the longer shows also had
musical interludes to break up the comedy.    They also did an afternoon
drive-time show locally in NYC in the early 1970's, which is what first
introduced me to their brilliance.

Steve Lewis

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:07:52 -0400
From: Kenneth L Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re:Gildy and the McGee connection

I've noticed several explanations, some quite plausible, of
the name Gildersleeve (as in "The Great Gildersleeve").  I've
often wondered about the origin/reason behind Fibber McGee's
first name.  I believe the Throckmorton P. Gildersleeve character
began on this show.

I MHO, I have come to the conclusion that it was because he always
had a story to tell his wife Molly regarding something from his famous/
infamous closet.  Since the explanations amounted to stretching the
truth to the limit, or fibbing, the name would fit him.

I don't believe his given name was ever mentioned.  Whenever Molly or
Gildersleeve spoke with him, they just called him "McGee".  Teeny
(voiced by Marian Jordan), always referred to him as "Mister".  Mr. Old
Timer always referred to him as "Johnny"  (as in "Heh, heh.  That's good
Johnny, but it's not the way I heared [removed]").  It was due to the fact
that Old
Timer called him "Johnny" that I came to the conclusion (in the
beginning)
that this was his given name.  I've since abandoned this belief.

He even referred to himself as "Fibber McGee", at least in the tapes I
have
of this program.  Can anyone provide an explanation which will bring a
close
to this question?

Maybe our examination of the names of these characters has gone too far.
Shouldn't we just accept the originality of their  names as a reflection
of the
originality behind each of their characters and leave it at that?

Kenneth Clarke

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 15:36:34 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Archie Show Old Farts

"Gerry Halpern" Wrote:

Having been an avid reader of Archie comic books as a kid, I was filled with
excitement when my parents took me to the radio studio from which the show
was broadcast.  I fully expected to see a live performance of the comic book
characters in full costume acting out the script.  What a disappointment to
find a bunch of people reading from paper scripts and sitting in front of
[removed]

Am I being set up, or what???

But to add insult to injury, Jerry goes on to sayŠ

not to mention the fact that the actors were so old (probably
over 30) and looked nothing like their characters!  Did anyone else out
there have a similar traumatic experience?

I now strike the famous Jack Benny pose and say,(in a huff) ŠŠŠWell!

But seriously, folksŠŠ Jerry, I think your putting me on to get a rise out
of me. (AND IT WORKED).

First of all, I have difficulty believing that you really attended a
performance. There are several major inaccuracies in your story. The biggest
one is that WE NEVER "SAT AROUND" IN FRONT OF MICROPHONES. The only accurate
part of that sentence was that we did indeed read from "paper" scripts.
(Stone tablets had been done away with long ago). And as far as the
"Characters" being in "Full Costumes", you gotta be kidding me. Do you
really think I'd be seen in public wearing that dumb "Beanie"?

It would have been interesting to know what year you went to see the show.

I suppose to a young whippersnapper's eyes, anyone older than 18 looked "so
Old" in your estimation. But then again, Gloria Mann (Veronica) wore lots of
makeup. (Rosemary Rice (Betty) will probably scratch your eyes out if she
ever heard you call her "So Old" back in those days. As far as Bob Hastings
(Archie) is concerned, he was "Old" the day he was born. :)

Gad! I certainly hope your "Traumatic" experience didn't scar you for the
remainder of your life!

OK! My fun's over. Let's get serious, Jerry.

In all probability, really young kids might not have known what to expect
when they attended the broadcast. (that's the Mom's fault for not explaining
what they could expect to see). I'm sure they imagined all sorts of things,
as you did. But I never heard any complaints before, saw disappointment on
the kid's faces, Or tales of Trauma's :) By the way, did you hang around for
an autograph after the show? If so, I want it back!

Bob Hastings and I did all we could, clowning around while (Standing) and
moving around, the Microphones, acting as goofy as possible with body
language if it fit the dialogue. We tried to bring life to the "Characters"
that way.

But the part I enjoyed the most was the reaction of the "Teenage" girls when
I was introduced during the studio warm-up. There was an audible gasp when I
appeared, and murmurs, that I didn't look at all like "Jughead". THANK GOD
FOR SMALL FAVORS! (Got more than a few dates that way) :) And if I had been
as old as you thought, I'd have been arrested for "Child" molestation. :)

Jerry, how can I make amends for your disappointment.

By the way. Do you wear glasses?

Hope you don't mind my kidding around with you.

Warm regards,(From someone who finally is over 30)

Hal(Harlan)Stone

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:22:05 -0400
From: FIRESIDE23@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  SPERDVAC Convention

I am trying to get information on this year's SPERDVAC convention. My attempt
to contact their web site shows "not found". Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Mike Campbell

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:22:03 -0400
From: luckycowboy@[removed] (Gregory Robert Jackson, Jr.)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Rights to Hopalong Cassidy

Hopalong Cassidy is copyrighted. His name, character, films, stories,
and personal likenesses are owned by [removed] Television Office, Inc., a
direct successor to William Boyd Enterprises and the Willam Boyd Estate.
[removed] Television Office, Inc. sells Hopalong Cassidy movies, television
shows, and radio shows. Anyone interested in licensing information,
should contact [removed] Television Office, Inc. at 18623 Ventura Blvd.,
#211, Tarzana, CA 91356. Their phone number is 1-800-711-HOPP. You can
e-mail them at     info@[removed] and they have a fascinating website
at [removed]

Gregory R. Jackson, Jr.

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:52:25 -0400
From: ARago17320@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Harry Bartell/The Shadow

Hi,

I can no longer hold back from adding my welcome to Harry Bartell to the
list.  If I had a dime for everytime I would hear "in tonight's cast were
Harry Bartell"  I would be able to buy a lot of OTR tapes.  I also have a lot
of the Gunsmoke TV shows that Columbia House sends out and I am always
pleased to see Mr. Bartell on the screen. I am a 63 old fan of OTR and I
thank you sir for the many hours of enjoyment your talent has given me.  No
one ever said the word California like you did.  (For those who have the
Sherlock Holmes or Gregory Hood shows where Mr. Bartell announces for Petri
and partakes in talking to Dr. Watson or Gregory Hood, listen to how
wonderful the sound of his California is. Kind of like a singer hitting their
best note.) Just an added bonus to all the great work you have done.

If you ever get in the mood, I wonder if you would post a little something
about one of my all time favorite actors, Nigel Bruce.  I imagine it must
have a joy doing the Holmes show.

As to the Shadow.  I found this interesting.  Listened to 2 shows in the last
few days and on a 1938 broadcast
Margo Lane is referred to as Lamont's friend and aide.  On a 1939 show, she
is referred to as Lamont's friend and companion which is the way I had always
thought it she was referred to.  Also, the 1939 show had applause at the end
of the show.  I know Casey Crime Photographer was done in front of an
audience but never knew any Shadow's were done like that.  Question is when
did this stop and how long was the Shadow done with an audience in the studio?

Take care,

Al

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Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:37:56 -0400
From: "James G. DuPuy" <dupuy@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Funniest shows:

From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Your Funniest OTR Episode

Hi folks. What is your funniest OTR episode? I believe one of the funniest
shows I listen to is Phil Harris and Alice Faye. When you put Phil, Frankie
and Julius together, it's pandemonium.

Have not heard these.  My favorite has always been "Our Miss Brooks"  I am
sure
people have thought I was crazy as they observed me busting up as I was
driving
while listening to this show.  B & A is great too.  There are a ton of them
but OMB has
to date, been my favorite.  Take care, all!

I don't suffer from insanity, I create and enjoy every minute of it!
Mitsy, my yorkie dog says; "I'm so darn cute even I can't stand it!"

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