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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2005 : Issue 294
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
RIP Tommy Bond [ seandd@[removed] ]
Anything worth [removed] [ Wich2@[removed] ]
OTR "Packs"? [ Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed] ]
Radio re-creation groups [ Larry Groebe <lgroebe@[removed]; ]
OTR Recreations 12 step [ Henry Howard <hbhoward@[removed] ]
Midwestern dial twisting [ Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed]; ]
Response [ TED DAVENPORT <tedotr@[removed] ]
Nightbeat [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
RE: MP3 Format [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
Jack Benny: I need [removed] [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
Home for my [removed] [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
Edward R. Murrow film [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
Les Paul article [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
breaking into the inner circle. . . [ "W. Gary Wetstein" <wgaryw@pacbell. ]
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:12:02 -0400
From: seandd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RIP Tommy Bond
This is slightly off-topic but classic film star Tommy Bond of "the Little
Rascals" died recently and his family is trying to raise money for his
funeral.
Details, reprinted with permission from Wireless Flash News Service, follow.
Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]
BUCKS NEEDED FOR BUTCH BURIAL
LOS ANGELES (Wireless Flash) -- Although former "Little
Rascals" cast member Tommy Bond died Saturday (Sep. 24), it
may be a while before he can be buried.
Bond -- who played Butch in the 1930s-era film shorts --
died of complications from heart disease at the age of 70.
His manager, Frank Marks, says the actor's family is so broke
from various medical treatments that there is no money for a
funeral.
Marks says the actor's widow, Pauline, and his son,
Tommy, Jr., are trying to raise funds for a proper memorial
that can be attended by fans and surviving members of the
"Our Gang" comedies, including actors Jackie Cooper and
Donald "Porky" Lee.
The Bond family also hopes to contact former Rascal
Robert Blake, who said that Bond was the only actor who stood
by him during his recent murder trial.
Bond's family is hoping to get donations from various
Hollywood charities and is asking fans of "Our Gang" to chip
in to the Tommy Butch Bond Memorial Fund by sending checks to
18375 Ventura Blvd., Ste. 452, Tarzana, California, 91356.
CONTACT: Frank Marks, ****; (323) 420-8362 or (818) 921-8445
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 12:55:32 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Anything worth [removed]
From: "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@[removed];
Subject: Radio re-creation groups
Does anyone know if there is an on-line group or website or digest or
something specificlly aimed at troupes that perform re-creations.
[ADMINISTRIVIA: ... Not a bad idea, actually ... --cfs3]
Dear Ted, Charlie, & gang-
This was posted recently on the Modern Audio Drama list; but the same
techniques apply (or oughta!) Alan Beck knows his stuff.
[removed]#anchor177580
All the best,
-Craig
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:02:57 -0400
From: Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed];
To: OTRDIGEST <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OTR "Packs"?
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I'm familiar with the "Rat" and "Brat" Packs. Was there such in OTR? I know
many were friends [Jessell/Cantor Cantor/Benny, etc.]. Any "gangs" then?
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:10:22 -0400
From: Larry Groebe <lgroebe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Radio re-creation groups
On Sep 27, 2005, at 10:28 AM, Ted [removed]
Does anyone know if there is an on-line group or website or digest or
something specificlly aimed at troupes that perform re-creations.
[removed] to me there already IS such a list, and hosted by the
lofcom server, no less:
I'm speaking of the "radiodrama" mailing list and digest in which
various local audio theater groups around the country exchange ideas
and notes. Most (but not all) groups are performing new audio plays,
but others are specifically recreating the old material.
Low volume of posts, so new posters are welcome.
See here to sign up: [removed]
--Larry Groebe
Generic Radio Workshop
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:17:22 -0400
From: Henry Howard <hbhoward@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Recreations 12 step
At 11:28 AM 9/27/05 -0400, you wrote:
Does anyone know if there is an on-line group or website or digest or
something specificlly aimed at troupes that perform re-creations.
Not specifically for OTR, but [removed] has lots of
resources that can apply to OTR.
Charlie also supports the radiodrama list on his server. I would
guess that maybe 1/4 to 1/3 do OTR recreations.
You can subscribe by sending " subscribe " to
radiodrama-request@[removed] or use the subscribe
box at [removed]
.
Henry Howard
radiodrama digest moderator
[removed]
audio drama skills training
[ADMINISTRIVIA: Although I would urge anyone interested in re-creations to
subscribe to RadioDrama, it does have a considerably different focus than the
poster was asking about - a gatheringplace for ONLY groups who publically
re-create OTR to kibitz (something that is vastly more visual than recording
studio techniques - anyone remember Ray Erlenborn "opening" Fibber's closet
at FOTR? A useless waste aurally, but the visual brought the house down). I
repeat, it's a valid-enough seperation/differentiation that I'd be happy to
provide list-space for such a list, if anyone is interested in maintaining
it. --cfs3]
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:17:46 -0400
From: Bhob Stewart <bhob2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Midwestern dial twisting
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I believe there was something here previously about the passage in
Bob Dylan's autobiography where he talks about listening to the radio
in the 1940s.
Now the superb Martin Scorsese documentary on Dylan, NO DIRECTION
HOME, is on PBS this week, and part one has some fascinating footage
of Hibbing, Minnesota, and listening to radio there in the 1940s.
Actually, some are TV clips, but the sequence succeeds in recreating
1940s midwest and showing how country music on the radio paved a path
away from Hibbing for Dylan. Here are airdates and repeats (but PBS
stations have different schedules, so check local listings):
# 1809 Bob Dylan: No Direction Home - Part 1
9:00pm Monday, September 26
9:00pm Saturday, October 01
1:30am Sunday, October 02
# 1810 Bob Dylan: No Direction Home - Part 2
9:00pm Tuesday, September 27
11:30pm Saturday, October 01
4:00am Sunday, October 02
Bhob
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:19:26 -0400
From: TED DAVENPORT <tedotr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Response
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My only sad thought, with respect for guys like you who have been around
for a long time putting serious time and money into collecting, is how
does a beginner like myself or anyone else break into the circle of "rare
shows". I have listened to everything out there available.
If you have listened to "everything", my hat is off to you. I certainly
haven't. I would think you mean you have listened to all of the circulating
shows that you have an interest in. I would certainly love to hear more
MYSTERIOUS TRAVELER, INNER SANCTUM, and others too numerous to name. The sad
fact on a lot of this is the shows were never preserved in any form.
If you want to know how to get to the rare shows, there is no secret. You
keep your ear to the ground and follow every lead possible. This includes
getting in contact with families of actors that were in the shows to see if
they have any recordings. If they do, you pay what price they want and
observe any restrictions they place on you. When they see you honor all the
agreements (and your check doesn't bounce) other families that have material
to sell will seek you out. It all boils down to if you are willing to pay
the price and honor ALL of their requests. It can get very expensive. Also,
finding missing SHADOW & INNER SANCTUM shows is very rare and the families
can ask for a lot of money. It all boils down to how badly you want the
shows.
Ted Davenport
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:19:37 -0400
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Nightbeat
Michael's opinion of "Nightbeat" is right on! Frank Lovejoy played the
fictitious Chicago reporter, Randy Stone, and gave us a man with a heart.
He played a sensitive, caring person, way back in 1950-52. In those days it
was hard to find anyone playing the role of a sensitive man. The only other
two I can think of are Jean Hersholt in "Dr. Christian" and Lionel Barrymore
as "Mayor of the town."
The show ran weekly on NBC, mostly sustained, but occasionally had a brief
sponsor. I have quite a few of the shows, but most of mine are edited from
Victor Ives' program "Golden Age of Radio Theater." Would be interested in
trading for more, unedited ones.
Ted Kneebone. OTR website: [removed]
Democrats: [removed]
1528 S. Grant St., Aberdeen, SD 57401 / Phone: 605-226-3344
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:20:50 -0400
From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: RE: MP3 Format
It has been discussed here in the past, but during the OTR years there
never was any limit to the audio
high frequency response of AM radio, either legal or technical.
Transmitters were routinely capable of over
10 KHz. frequency response in the mid-1930s, and to 14 KHz. in the post-war
years.
The entire FCC regulation is cited at:
[removed]
Below is the subpart regarding the AM Broadcast band. Please note two things;
1) AM is broadcast Double Sideband; that means there is a carrier with an
upper sideband and a lower sideband that is a mirror image of the upper
sideband. In other words, whatever the frequency allocation, the effective
maximum frequency allowed is half of that bandwidth. With a bandwidth of [removed]
KHz allowed, the maximum modulating sound frequency will be [removed] KHz. 2) In
Chicago at least, the network stations at the lower end of the band did have
considerable spacing between them during the day (WMAQ was at about 670 or
680, WGN at 710, WBBM at 780, and WENR/WLS at 890, but above that, even the
local stations were crammed together). At night, however, when distant
stations could be heard, the entire band was crammed full, and outside of the
Chicago metropolitan area, where rural America was dependent on clear
channels, the dial alternated between reasonably strong signals of single
clear channel stations and jumbled messes of several stations on the same
frequency. It might have been nice to have a super duper floor model radio
with AM/FM, SW, and a record player, but the stations on the AM band were
still limited to their 10 KHz bandwidth, with an effective modulation limit
of 5 KHz. FM was a different story, with, I think a 15 KHz modulation limit.
I never heard any radio drama on FM during the forties and fifties, just
music. It was the place for classical music junkies, but as time passed,
those stations fell by the wayside one by one, and I think that Chicago now
has only one left, the venerable WFMT. Here in El Lay, we have two, KUSC and
KMZT, but just before I moved here, I understand that KCRW was also a
classical station. Pity.
PART 73_RADIO BROADCAST SERVICES--Table of Contents
Subpart A_AM Broadcast Stations
Sec. [removed] AM transmission system emission limitations.
(a) The emissions of stations in the AM service shall be attenuated
in accordance with the requirements specified in paragraph (b) of this
section. Emissions shall be measured using a properly operated and
suitable swept-frequency RF spectrum analyzer using a peak hold duration
of 10 minutes, no video filtering, and a 300 Hz resolution bandwidth,
except that a wider resolution bandwidth may be employed above [removed] kHz
to detect transient emissions. Alternatively, other specialized
receivers or monitors with appropriate characteristics may be used to
determine compliance with the provisions of this section, provided that
any disputes over measurement accuracy are resolved in favor of
measurements obtained by using a calibrated spectrum analyzer adjusted
as set forth above.
(b) Emissions [removed] kHz to 20 kHz removed from the carrier must be
attenuated at least 25 dB below the unmodulated carrier level, emissions
20 kHz to 30 kHz removed from the carrier must be attenuated at least 35
dB below the unmodulated carrier level, emissions 30 kHz to 60 kHz
removed from the carrier must be attenuated at least [5 + 1 dB/kHz]
below the unmodulated carrier level, and emissions between 60 kHz and 75
kHz of the carrier frequency must be attenuated at least 65 dB below the
unmodulated carrier level. Emissions removed by more than 75 kHz must be
attenuated at least 43 + 10 Log (Power in watts) or 80 dB below the
unmodulated carrier level, whichever is the lesser attenuation, except
for transmitters having power less than 158 watts, where the attenuation
must be at least 65 dB below carrier level.
(c) Should harmful interference be caused to the reception of other
broadcast or non-broadcast stations by out of band emissions, the
licensee may be directed to achieve a greater degree of attenuation
than specified in paragraphs (a) and (b) of this section.
Thanx,
B. Ray
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:21:18 -0400
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Jack Benny: I need [removed]
I start my day with Jack Benny! On gloomy days, he makes me happy. On
bright days he makes mine happier and brighter. My collection of this great
comedian is really weak. I would like to find some traders who will trade
for more Jack Benny. My catalog is at my Geocities website:
Ted Kneebone. OTR website: [removed]
Democrats: [removed]
1528 S. Grant St., Aberdeen, SD 57401 / Phone: 605-226-3344
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:21:41 -0400
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Home for my [removed]
Recently, I visited with the library director of the Northern (SD) State
University library on the subject of finding a home for my collection of old
time radio broadcasts. I told him the approximate size and nature of my
collection. We will be working on a contract so that my gift will be made
available to local people interested in my material. My intention is to
gradually take my collection over to the library. I intend to donate my
cassettes, reels, and CDs to the library. He now has a copy of my catalog.
If any of you have donated your collections to libraries, I would appreciate
your comments and ideas. I want to make sure that my titles are available
to anyone, and that they not be locked up in some kind of archive.
Also, I have had correspondence and conversation with the director of our
local museum. I suggested that we establish a room in which a radio station
could be duplicated. Preferably one that would look like a broadcast booth
and engineer's booth in the 1940s-1950s. The space would be available in
2007, and we need to start looking for old equipment soon. If any of you
know of places where we might find donors, we would appreciate your help.
We are prepared to accept gifts or loans of such equipment.
Ted Kneebone. OTR website: [removed]
Democrats: [removed]
1528 S. Grant St., Aberdeen, SD 57401 / Phone: 605-226-3344
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 13:52:50 -0400
From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Edward R. Murrow film
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I don't believe the film is currently in wide release yet. I think it
will be by October 7. However, I heard on Entertainment Tonight
recently that it fared quite well when it was screened at the Cannes
Film Festival and received several kudos for the content and the black
and white format in which it was filmed.
Another OTR Fan,
Kenneth Clarke
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 14:13:58 -0400
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Les Paul article
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Hi Folks:
Nice article about Les Paul circa 1950 in today's (27) NY "Daily News" in
their on-going "Big Town SongBook" series. Enjoy!
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Best always from the ether--
Derek Tague
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 16:51:34 -0400
From: "W. Gary Wetstein" <wgaryw@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: breaking into the inner circle. . .
Ruk77@[removed] wrote:
Ted, I just would like to say, that you are one of
the
[removed] [removed] guys of the OTR world. I
have gotten some great stuff off of you and even
traded you some stuff that I had.
[snip]
My only sad thought, with respect for guys like you
who have been around for a long time putting serious
time and money into collecting, is how does a
beginner like myself or anyone else break into the
circle of "rare shows".
i second JR's comments about ted wholeheartedly. ted
was *beyond* generous in sharing with me a ton of fred
allen material i'd never heard (i think i sent him a
handful of my mr ace and JANE encodes, but this is
comparing an teaspoon of water to the contents of lake
michigan). ted actually has some great advice
available on his website speaking directly to the
question of how to break into trading:
[removed]
there are a number of other "inner circle" folks who
will share rare stuff but probably don't want to be
mentioned by name, but these folks are out there.
i think meeting them is just a combination of luck,
and contributing at least *something*. i'm relatively
young (32), not a member of any OTR clubs, and i don't
go to the conventions as a rule, so i've met all my
OTR friends online. most of the time, i met folks via
my very occasional postings here on the OTR digest, or
in response to posting new mp3s to usenet (i haven't
been posting to usenet for a few years now, though,
primarily due to frustration with e-bay parasites).
i think i can say that nothing i've ever encoded can
be considered truly rare, considering that i'm mostly
a bottom-feeder, so to speak. everything i've
purchased has been from commercial vendors, so it's
not as if i had any sort of special access. i was
fortunate enough to have encoded shows early on in the
mp3 phase, so i guess that made the encodes of
relatively common stuff more significant.
at this point, since virtually everything commonly
available has probably already been encoded by
someone, one option might be to try to make better
quality encodes. a *lot* of what's circulating is
almost unlistenable, not to mention the hundreds-- if
not thousands-- of mp3s that are converted from files
that were originally in ultra-low bitrate RealAudio
format.
i agree that if you're not offering anything, it's
really tough to get beyond collecting low hanging
fruit. but at least in my experience, you get back
tenfold whatever you give in the terrific OTR
community.
otherwise, you're left-- to paraphrase tennessee
williams-- relying on the kindness of strangers.
many of whom are very kind, indeed. . .
--wgw
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