Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #377
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 9/29/2002 3:03 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 377
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Suspense                              [ "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
  Phonographs                           [ "welsa" <welsa@[removed]; ]
  Re: The DeMarco Sisters               [ Grbmd@[removed] ]
  WHN - WMGM                            [ "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed] ]
  Blue Dahlia Murder Case               [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
  Superstition Mounting?                [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  The Lone Ranger                       [ "" <cooldown3@[removed]; ]
  Faster Than a Silver Bullet?          [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  RS Box sets                           [ Ga6string@[removed] ]
  complete mp3 of SixShooter 540429-Re  [ "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@run ]
  Suspense no more                      [ "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed] ]
  BOB GIBSON HOSTING RADIO SPIRITS      [ CHET <voxpop@[removed]; ]
  Re: scarlet pimpernel                 [ "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed]; ]
  Reel-to-Reel by VCR                   [ zbob@[removed] ]
  Somebody Knows                        [ Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed] ]

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:48:45 -0400
From: "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed];
To: "OTR message" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Suspense

I need some detective work from someone out there. Referring to the first
broadcast of "Sorry Wrong Number" on 5/25/43. I acquired, from a retail guy,
copies of both the East and West Coast broadcasts. On the East coast
broadcast (the 1st) the missed cue at the end is obvious. It is cleared up
on the second, West Coast, broadcast. I realize, now, after all these years
that I had the West Coast broadcast and, frankly, had always wondered why
the furor as sound cues and the like seemed ok to me. The scream and the
train seems to work best on the 1945 broadcast but that is another topic.
What I am writing about is that on the 2nd (West Coast) broadcast that I
just received, there is a musical bridge of a few seconds between the time
she is told the time, hears the click, and her calling the police. Anyone
have a copy with that musical interruption (that's really what it is) on it?
I"m wondering what I [removed] be a rebr much later with their own
interruptions which were edited out and the show has no close which makes me
think it is a rebroadcast. Thoughts? Also, I have what is labeled  a
Suspense Rehearsal called "The Twist is Murder" dated 11/5l but it is not of
any Suspense show I've ever heard unless it is one of those missing
November, 195l, shows under a different title.
Finally, I have something called "The Hand" which is stated to be a Suspense
script that was never produced. No date.  Any help from a SUSPENSE expert
would be appreciated.

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 14:49:00 -0400
From: "welsa" <welsa@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Phonographs

[removed], this is slightly off-topic.  And I'm putting my disclaimer right up
front:  I do not work for JC Penney's.

I just got my 2002 copy of the JC Penney Christmas Catalog.  In it you will
find phonographs.  Not just turntables, but complete portable units with
turntables, amplifiers and speakers.  And they play 33's, 45's AND 78's!

I know I've read a few posts over the years from people who have 78's with
OTR on them but had no way to play them.  Well, here's your chance.  For
about $100 you can get a new phonograph!

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:31:52 -0400
From: Grbmd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: The DeMarco Sisters

Recently Hal Stone said re the DeMarco Sisters:

BUT!!!!! I do distinctly recall their good looks. I went to a Professional
actors school with the three youngest. They were Olive skinned beauties,
(Italian ancestry), and the 2nd oldest and I used to make eyes at each other
sitting across the school table from one another. (Harmless flirting). Tough
concentrating on school work.

Okay, Hal.  Now you've got our attention.  Just between old friends, what 
*really* happened after that initial "harmless flirting"?

Spence Coleman
Waiting in anticipation
  

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 16:45:26 -0400
From: "Russ Butler" <oldradio@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  WHN - WMGM

<<Stan Greenberg asked about WHN in NYC replaced by WEVD 1050AM>>

The heritage call, WHN has been retired (not on another station that I can
find) and the previous call letters WMGM 1050AM in NYC "lives again" as an
FM station ([removed]) in Atlantic City, NJ - with programming called "The Shark
Classic Rock." (I guess for the shark infested waters off the coast of NJ?)
A far cry from a Hollywood-image of "The Call Letters of the Stars" in the
1950's with Ted Brown and The Redhead morning team, standards music, etc.
Ah well, change happens, but the memories linger on!

Russ Butler  oldradio@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 17:19:10 -0400
From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Blue Dahlia Murder Case

          "The Blue Dahlia Murder Case"?  I don't remember ever
hearing about it, but seem to recall there was a "Black Dahlia
Murder Case" during the 1920's or 1930's. I doubt the two are
related, however.  "The Blue Dahlia Murder Case" was probably
on radio, and "The Black Dahlia Murder Case"-- who knows?

          Should anyone know where I can find some further info
on "The Black Dahlia Murder Case", please let me know.  I've
been looking for it for some time.  Any details would help.

Kenneth Clarke

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:38:15 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Superstition Mounting?

John Mayer, speaking of a comic-book character with a spooky background,
observes,

Which brings up something that has troubled me of late: our culture
today is, surprisingly, far MORE superstitious and gullible than it was
when I was a lad. Back then all kids knew, thought we might occasionally
have brief lapses of confidence, that there were "no such thing as
ghosts." Now a dozen channels have shows about haunted houses, psychics
and communicating with the dead, including The Discovery Channel and
Animal Planet! <snip>  I wonder if anyone has noticed when we began the
slide into credulity; my impression is that it did not begin until OTR
had already faded away.

Well, I suspect that it's less than that there's greater gullibility
today than that there are more communication channels now than back then.
 I haven't done a whole scan to determine the percentages, but I suspect
that the ratios of supernatural to nonsupernatural stories are about the
same now than then.  Chandu, the Magician, was a supernatural show with
no ghosts, Tales of Fatima had a supernatural element, and the like.
Individual shows on programs like the Campbell Playhouse would have
supernatural elements, and so forth.  And, of course, if we include the
littler-kids' shows, like Let's Pretend and Smilin' Ed's Buster Brown
Gang had supernatural stories frequently (and Froggy the Gremlin on every
show).

The "superstition level" of cultures tends to manifest themselves in
different ways.  Some will argue that the whole UFO mythos, beginning in
1947, is just as "supernatural" as stories of evil spirits.  Culturally,
the same "rationalistic" or "scientific" society of the early 20th
Century also embraced seances to the extent that Harry Houdini could make
a living debunking them.

There have been serious studies about things once considered
supernatural, sometimes just to see whether there's anything behind
certain apparent phenomena.  The whole scientific field of Parapsychology
derives from the efforts of Prof. J. B. Rhine of Duke University, who was
investigating some reportedly supernatural phenomena.  Whether anything
practical will come out of these studies is still an open question, but
gullibility is a fairly subjective matter.

Now, fantasy as a genre has a couple of things working for it.  Chiefly,
it brings the miraculous to entertain us.  Whether it's the fairy-tale
story of Cinderella being transformed by her Fairy Godmother, or the
invisible presence of the Creature in the radio adaptation of "The
Dunwich Horror," the "suspension of disbelief" stretches the listener's
or reader's thoughts into new directions.  Secondly, it's the ultimate
escapist entertainment.  It takes the reader, listener, or viewer to a
place that would otherwise never be visited.    It could be in the
jungle, where Tarzan faces strange (and biologically impossible)
inhabitants.  It could be in the bowels of the Earth, where strange,
unseen dwellers in unlit caverns menace a party of explorers.  Whatever
it is, a paranormal story is appealing for its inherent strangeness.

We see a growing amount of supernatural manifestations in movies and
their derivative television shows because of the increased "realism" of
various special effects.  But IMHO, there's not that much of a change,
just more opportunities to see shows of that type.  One could equally
argue about greater numbers of police shows, trial-by-jury stories, etc.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:38:32 -0400
From: "" <cooldown3@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Lone Ranger

Am I the only one here who sees the Lone Ranger as a 'morality play'?
His undeviating devotion to a certain fixed ethical position is so similar
to the writings of Jerimias Gotthelf, a Swiss Minister well known for his
writings with a message. Gotthilf's works were performed in the style of the
Oberammergau passion but died out eventually.
Predominate theme was always evil overcome in a good way.
Most well known might be "The Black Spider".

Patrick

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:39:14 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Faster Than a Silver Bullet?

Herb Harrison, after my observation that once The Lone Ranger assumed his
identity killed only one man in combat, and that unintentionally,
remarks,

I remember hearing an episode last year that included a scene where a
wagon train of settlers was surrounded by a group of attacking "bad"
Indians. The Lone Ranger was among the defenders trying to fend off the
attack. I might have heard wrong, but it seemed like TLR was shooting at
the Indians with the intent to kill them (and we know that TLR seldom
missed what he was shooting at).

I dimly recall an episode where TLR was shooting at attacking Indians,
but as I remember it, he didn't indicate that he was going to kill them.
On the basis of his other gun-shooting feats, he should have been able to
disable them without killing them.  "Stopping" someone doesn't
necessarily mean terminating their lives.

Of course, it might be like the pacifist who says, "Hey.  You know that I
don't mean to hurt you, but you happen to be standing in the path of
where a bullet will be leaving my gun will travel."  QAnd, for that
matter, if TLR meant to wing a werewolf with one of his silver bullets,
he might have been startled by the results.  :-)

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:39:55 -0400
From: Ga6string@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  RS Box sets

Bob B. writes:

[W]hat I wanted to comment on was their box packaging for their recent
20-tape, 40-show collections like Radio's Greatest Comedies, Detectives,
Westerns, etc. Who designed those boxes? I find it totally impossible to
open
the box without most of the 20 tapes tumbling out in a heap.

Hi Bob,
I've had the exact same problem. Ridiculous. And I don't know any way to
address it, either.
Bryan Powell

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:39:44 -0400
From: "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  complete mp3 of SixShooter 540429-Revenge At
 Harness Creek?

Hello, does anyone have a complete mp3 of this show? It cuts off just at a
crucial point. If so, could you please send it to:
MatthewBullis@[removed]

Thanks a lot.
Matthew

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:42:24 -0400
From: "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed];
To: "OTR message" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Suspense no more

Asked earlier about a Suspense show called "Twist is Murder" that didn't
seem to be a correct title and another show called "The Hand" which was
stated to be a SUSPENSE script but never produced. The latter is a story of
a girl searching for Jim and one can see why Suspense never produced it! Not
sure the data provided with the tape is [removed] knows. But the other
one turns out to be a rehearsal for the 12/3/5l show retitled "Murderous
Revision" with Richard Widmark. Interesting because the rehearsal has Howard
Duff who either was just standing in for Widmark or had been initially
considered for the part. Interesting, too, because there is post-show
chatter for about 3m with Duff, Cathy Lewis and Joe Kearns chattering and
laughing in the [removed] to those who helped me solve my mystery.

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:42:28 -0400
From: CHET <voxpop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  BOB GIBSON  HOSTING RADIO SPIRITS

hi
who is bob gibson in relation to radio? he is the new host of the radio
spirits otr shows on my local station krld 1080 in [removed] amari and
stan freberg (sp?) are no longer doing it.

   i don't know if it's him or the recording of his intros but his voice
sounds like it's a 78 playing on a 45 [removed] visa [removed]
remembers?? lol
chet norris

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 19:53:32 -0400
From: "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: scarlet pimpernel

hi
as always this is to see if anyone who collects 16in discs has
scarlett pimpernel, i have about 40 shows being cleaned right now
and all from the orig 16in disc, of course with any series you never
get the whole run, at least i don't, i would buy the discs or rent or
borrow, can anyone help? and i will need a source for dick cole discs
a little later, this series i see may a better chance of completeness
i know one fellow, but i can't remember his name (sorry) who came on
the chat ch thurs, who has many discs, would he, if he gets this let me
know.
and 1 last mention, i have sold the tape deck i mentioned here and
the fellow will pick it up at the con, i may get another fixed if anyone
is still intersted and is willing to pick up at the con, i don't want to mail
them.
thanks for letting me take up your time
ed

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 21:22:56 -0400
From: zbob@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Reel-to-Reel by VCR

Mr. Johnson recently mentioned the use of a VCR for audio recordings.
I am currently (as I type this), also transcribing a set of video tapes to
cassette.  The local jazz station broadcast a series of Artie Shaw recordings,
with personal notes by [removed], 13 hours over two days.  Who could sit around all
that time trying to tape only the pertinent portions - the program was filled
with requests for contributions - and swap tapes at breaks as well?  Now I can
edit at leisure, putting only the music/story onto audio tape.         Bob

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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2002 23:27:59 -0400
From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Somebody Knows

alanladdsr writes

SOMEBODY KNOWS was a true-crime series, one of Robson's, and the
one [removed]

When I worked on the show in which I did the opening title  it was directed
by Jack Johnstone

Harry Bartell

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