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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2002 : Issue 386
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Today in radio history [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
Amb. Walter H. Annenberg RIP [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
Re: Sandy Singer [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Re: Everette Sloan [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
OTR Stars on TV [ Tom Kleinschmidt <otr1962@[removed] ]
new to the list [ "CHARLES MONROE-KANE" <monroe-kane@ ]
Yma,Aly,Oona,[removed] [ Edward Loyer <eloyer@[removed]; ]
Re: Recording audio-only on VHS [ bruceglazer@[removed] ]
Good Place to Get Cassette Tapes [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
Words without vowels [ danhughes@[removed] ]
Re:Mp3 again [ Richard Novak <rnovak@[removed]; ]
Re: Recording Audio on VHS Tape [ Shenbarger@[removed] ]
Re: "War of the Worlds" recreations [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
VCR audio recording [ "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed]; ]
Word Without a Vowel [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
interviews [ "hughes1" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
bio [ "hughes1" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
EVERETT CLARKE [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
How I listen to OTR - [ mart459@[removed] ]
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:57:36 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in radio history
From Those Were The Days --
1929 - The National Farm and Home Hour, which gave rural Americans
information about farm products, growing crops, farm animal care and
useful household tips, debuted on NBC. The Stars and Stripes Forever
opened the show. Don Ameche and Raymond Edward Johnson were featured,
along with music and entertainment by The Cadets male quartet, Jack Baus
and The Cornbusters and Mirandy of Persimmons Holler. The National Farm
and Home Hour was sponsored by Montgomery Ward.
1933 - Red Adams was heard for the first time on NBC radio. Later, the
program was retitled, Red Davis (starring Burgess Meredith), Forever
Young and, finally, Pepper Young's Family (starring Mason Adams). Radio
listeners kept listening through all the changes until 1959.
Birthdays:
1890 - Groucho (Julius Henry) Marx "The one, the only, Groucho.": You
Bet Your Life; died Aug 19, 1977
1896 - (William Alexander) Bud Abbott, comedian, actor: Abbott of Abbott
& Costello; died Apr 24, 1974
Joe
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Visit my home page:
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:59:02 -0400
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Amb. Walter H. Annenberg RIP
You've probably all read the various obits about TV Guide publisher,
billionaire, ambassador, philanthropist, Republican strings-puller, Hon.
Walter H. Annenberg.
We should recall that "TV Guide" was simply a smaller successor to "Radio
Guide". Smaller in physical size, but certainly not in results. Walter
Annenberg's father, Moses Annenberg, started "Radio Guide". He was the
publisher of the "Philadelphia Inquirer". Sadly sentenced to jail for
three years for tax evasion, he was released before the term was complete
when he was diagnosed with a brain tumor. He died in 1942.
Walter Annenberg inherited the "Inquirer" and two racing publications at
that time, although he had been involved with the business several years
before. He built Triangle Publications into a media giant (even by today's
standards) with newspapers, magazines, a slew of radio and TV stations in
four states, and a broadcasting network. These included the Philadelphia
"Daily News", "Seventeen" magazine, and of course "TV Guide", which he
started in 1953.
He copied the successful method his father began with "Radio Guide". That
is, the nationwide pages of articles and national advertising, wrapped
around numerous local editions of program information and related local
news and advertising, each keyed to its own major television marketing
area. Just as his daddy did with radio.
TV viewers and devoted readers of today's "TV Guide" with its truly
outstanding circulation, would probably be stunned to know that it was
pretty much a copy of its radio predecessor, albeit on larger
pages. "Radio Guide" was a major voice in the broadcasting business in
those earlier years. It had an excellent staff producing fascinating
articles about radio, its stars, movers and shakers, and the business of
radio broadcasting.
Had there been no "Radio Guide", there probably never would have been a "TV
Guide", at least as we know it. It just picked up the entire system built
by and enjoyed by its predecessor. Like the subject which it covered, the
periodical went on to bigger (better?) things.
But had there been no radio, there would have been no "Radio Guide", just
as had there been no radio, there would have been no television. After
all, television is just radio with lousier pictures.
Lee Munsick
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:02:10 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Sandy Singer
Sandy, I enjoyed your story.
Quick question. Did you know Phil Lord when you worked in Chicago radio?
And what about my "Archie" Co-star. Jane Webb? She did a ton of radio work
in Chicago.
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:02:49 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Everette Sloan
Dennis Crow asked
I am wondering if Harry Bartell, Michael Gwynne, Hal Stone, Sandy Singer,
or Conrad Binyon have memores of him of him that they could share <snip>
I remember Everett Sloan very well. He was considered one of the top NY
Radio Dramatic actors back then. I worked with him a few times, (I honestly
don't remember on what), and in addition to being a consummate pro, he was
very affable and pleasant. Everett had a sort of dour expression, (maybe one
could call it an intense glare) that belied his warm personality. When TV
came along, Everett prospered, and went on to do quite a few motion pictures
before he died too young. Harry B and Conrad might have some recollections
When Everett worked on the coast doing films.
Speaking of Conrad Binion, I understand he will also be attending the
Sperdvac Convention the first weekend in November, and we'll be working
together in a few recreations. I'm looking forward to that. He and I never
met or worked together before in our misspent youth (East Coast-West Coast
thing), but we do communicate via e-Mail. He's ex Air Force also (A jet
jockey) so we also have that in common.
Regards
Hal(Harlan)Stone
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:01:58 -0400
From: Tom Kleinschmidt <otr1962@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Stars on TV
Just thought I'd post a reminder to the group that the
Game Show Network's Black and White Overnight which
runs from 4:00 to 6:00 AM Eastern time 7 days a week
is a good place to see some of your favorite OTR
stars. I tape it every day. Yesterday's episode of To
Tell the Truth from 12/2/58 included Irma Phillips
writer and creator of many Radio and Television Soap
Operas and of course it's hosted by Bud Collyer. On
this morning's episode of I've Got a Secret from
1/20/64 Arthur Godfrey was the main guest star in a
show loaded with stars of old time radio including
Brace Beemer(The Lone Ranger), Al Hodge(The Green
Hornet), Richard Kollmer(Boston Blackie), Bret
Morrison(The Shadow), Former Quiz Kids Joan Bishop,
Mary Ann Anderson, and Father Jack Loutow, Ann
Elstner(Stella Dallas), Vivien Smolen(Our Gal Sunday),
Julie Stevens(The Romance Of Helen Trent), and Adele
Ronson(John's Other Wife). Of course this show is
hosted by Garry Moore. My apologies for any
misspellings of the names there, I'm sure there may be
a few.
It's definitely worth setting your VCR timer for these
shows. They just started rerunning What's My Line in
chronological order starting in late 1952 and are
currently in January 1953. There are many big name
movie, TV, and OTR guests coming up on this show and
you can find guests listed on the GSN web site. Jack
Benny is scheduled to appear on Saturday morning's
rerun. I hope that helps some people.
Tom
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:59:37 -0400
From: "CHARLES MONROE-KANE" <monroe-kane@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: new to the list
I am new to the list. I am a producer for a national show on public
radio called, "To the Best of Our Knoweldge." It is an hour long
show on ideas (based on themes). I want to use more sound, bits,
etc. from old-time radio in my [removed] is why I joined the list.
Specificially I am looking for (for a show I am doing on the history
of bread):
Audio of the "Happy Wonder Bakers" (singing quartet cald in
spotless white uniforms) who sang about Wonder Bread on NBC
Radio. They started performing in 1929.
I have NO IDEA how to get this but would like very much to play it
on my show.
I am also looking for more contemporary (1950-60's) Wonder Bread
radio spots (but, of course, the "Happy Wonder Bakers" are the
Holy Grail).
thanks,
Charles Monroe-Kane
Producer
To the Best of Our Knowledge
Wisconsin Public Radio
821 University Ave.
Madison, WI 53706
direct tel. 608-262-9113
fax. 608-263-9763
monroe-kane@[removed]
[removed]
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:57:46 -0400
From: Edward Loyer <eloyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Yma,Aly,Oona,[removed]
There was a marvelous reading of Meehan's *The Yma Dream* some years ago on
NPR''s Selected Shorts. It is available on one of the SS tapes and is a joy
to listen to.
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:58:07 -0400
From: bruceglazer@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Recording audio-only on VHS
Regarding Dan Hughes question about why his VCR audio speed stabilized only after
he recorded the video, as well: I think that it is the video track that also creates
the "control track". And I believe that it is this control track that stabilizes the video
and audio tracks.
Bruce
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:01:38 -0400
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Good Place to Get Cassette Tapes
Tape Resources, a California outfit that can be reached via the web at
[removed] sells tape cheap in lots of 10 and really cheap
in lots of 100. I just bought 100 Sony 60 minute cassettes for $52, UPS
two-day shipping included.
In my previous transaction with The Little Warehouse, I paid more than that
per tape, and without the hard case, paper cassette sleeve and lables.
This operation also has just about every other kind of media you would be
looking for, but I've only used it to order Sony tape. I also ordered a
bunch of 120 minute cassettes when Max Schmid's show went to two hours.
Tape Resources also sells Maxell tape, which costs considerably more.
I am not a paid advocate, merely a two-time satisfied customer.
Sean Dougherty
Kubelski@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:01:49 -0400
From: danhughes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Words without vowels
Someone mentions the existence of a word with no vowels. There are
several; depends on what dictionary you use. One that nobody mentioned
yet is from nath: "nth", as in "to the nth degree."
---Dan
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:14:47 -0400
From: Richard Novak <rnovak@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re:Mp3 again
On Wednesday 02 October 2002 15:23, OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:41:40 -0400
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: MP3 again
The Rio player is now one of the higher priced players on the market. You
can now buy a number of MP3 players for under $100. And many of these are
from major manufacturers. I honestly doubt that companies that are now
producing players in the "under $100" price range, will start to up the
price of their players to include the lower compression rates. (For those
who watch ever word, like my wife, I'm using lower to mean the actual
number ((digit)). [You have to be married for 38 years to understand that
comment]
Right now, I'm not aware of any DVD player that will playback an MP3 disc
recorded at 22 or 32 kps.
I recently purchased a Philips DVD724, primarily I was looking for something
that would play standard and non-standard VCDs. SVCDs and DVD+R media.
A happy side benefit is that this unit plays ANY MP3 I throw at it, including
32/22, and with a very nice on screen navigation menu for MP3.
For portable MP3 boom boxes, the Philips AZ1155 plays all MP3 bit/sample
rates. What limits players is not the bitrate so much as the sampling rate.
The CD standard is [removed] kbs and that's what most CD players are looking for.
The bitrate is secondary to the sampling rate.
DVD standard is 48 kbs, but most players will accommodate 44 and [removed] for
playing CDs. The Philips DVD724 doesn't seem to care what the sampling rate
is, it plays them all. Even some totally off the wall XSVCD combinations I
tried on it.
This unit was (and is, I suppose) available from Circuit City for a tad over a
hundred dollars, and they were giving them away with Big Screen purchases.
On the downside, I am not crazy about the rather odd behaviour of the remote
hand unit, but that's a minor issue.
[removed]
AKA [removed]
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:15:02 -0400
From: Shenbarger@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Recording Audio on VHS Tape
In a message dated 10/1/2002 6:00:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:
My experience: I hooked my radio output to my VCR input and got good
sound but widely-swinging speed variances. I then plugged my TV video
output into the VCR video input (leaving the audio cables as they were),
and the speed stabilized. I seem to remember hearing somewhere that
there is something in the video signal that the VCR needs to run at a
stable speed. (By doing this you end up with an unrelated "silent movie"
on your TV screen. Just ignore it).
Don't know if this is unique to my VCR or if it is universal--help,
someone??
I think that will be a typical experience. Some VCR's may generate their own
signal to display something like a blue screen for no signal and not need the
video feed if that gets recorded. The playback tracking control depends on a
control track which is laid on the edge of the tape on the side opposite the
standard audio track. I believe this track is produced from a video signal.
Without it, the player will hunt.
Also, the control track is normally a 60 Hz (in the US) blip type signal
track that has a definite relationship to the helical video (and Hi-Fi audio)
track. When the input signal changes or a machine is paused, there may be a
break in the continuous control track. In video use, we may see this as a
torn picture or a brief slurring of the audio until the tracking circuit can
resync on the control track. For this reason, it is best to use a video
source that is not changing during your audio recording session, pick a
channel for your silent video and leave it there. A broadcast video program
is best as the time sync base will be right on target.
Don Shenbarger
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:28:05 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: "War of the Worlds" recreations
In a message dated 10/2/02 3:16:49 PM, Joy Jackson writes:
The original broadcast was males only, and I had to work
hard to squeeze some minor roles out for women.
***I hope you at least cast a woman as the lead sound effects artist, since
CBS sound-chief Ora Nichos did fill that position on the original broadcast.
As I recall, she was assisted on "War of the Worlds" by her two nephews who
were also soundmen at CBS. --Anthony Tollin***
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:51:55 -0400
From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: VCR audio recording
bmiles <bmiles@[removed]; wrote:
For those wanting to record OTR on your VHS VCR, you must have a video
signal going into your vcr, otherwise the audio will vary in speed due to
the vcr having nothing to constantly lock to. I worked in a university tv
distribution center for 25 years and learned that basic principle right off
the bat!
This depends heavily on the way one's VCR happens to work. Most Hi-Fi VHS
VCRs *are* designed to record audio with no video; a few of them in the
mid-1980s, when these first came out, had a special switch setting to allow
audio-only recording, but later models will do it automatically. As always,
check the manual to be sure. (Mono VCRs usually do need video in order to
record audio. They will play an audio-only tape made on a Hi-Fi VCR, since
the needed control signal will be present on the tape.)
Another "gotcha" is that some TV sets mute the sound if valid video is not
present, so that you won't hear the hiss on a blank channel, and this could
prevent you from hearing sound from an audio-only recording. The only cure
is to hook up the VCR directly to an audio amplifier, instead of going
through the TV.
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 18:52:43 -0400
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Word Without a Vowel
Sandy Singer is right and David Kindred got very close (he guessed it
later). The only word in the English language without a vowel is psst.
When used correctly, psst is an interjection.
Until Paul Harvey reported his story, I had never thought of psst as a
word.
Dennis Crow
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:17:22 -0400
From: "hughes1" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: interviews
I been trying to caught up on allot of digest, and notice Matthew asking
about interviews. I feature interviews with many show business
personalities on the weekend on Yesterday USA. On Friday night at 7-30 PM
California time Frank Bresee and I are live at [removed] we take
calls and play back interviews that Frank have done since 1967 on AFRTS.
For example last week we feature two different interview Frank did with Bill
Hay Amos and Andy announcer. This Friday Jim Hawthorn is our feature. On
Friday 10-11-02 Barbara Fuller will join us live, and we will feature a long
interview Frank did with Carlton E. Morse, and that Frank did, and Jim
Harmon will join us later that night. On Friday 10-18-02 Rudy Vallee will
be our feature interview that night. Frank and I will tape an interview
with Elliott Reid for the 10-25-02 show. On Saturday night Bill Bragg and I
do live interview or replay of those we have done in the last two years. We
have over 100 interviews to chose from like Margaret Truman who did work in
radio Gloria Dehaven, Jo Stafford ECT. This Saturday night I will replay
the hour long interview we did with Tony Curtis. On Sunday night Dr. Mike
Biels I lead off the show live talk about many topics including radio, I
also feature interviews done in the past by other interviewers. I am always
hunting for interviews. If you have some please contact me. I would like
to find the grate interviews that where done on Same Time Same station on
KRLA in the 1970s. I will be at FOTR,and SPERDVAC convention this year. I
am looking forward in being with allot of nice people again. Take care,
Walden Hughes
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:17:59 -0400
From: "hughes1" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: bio
I would recommend Thomas Delong book Radio Stars which feature 941 bio of
Radio Stars. The book is missing a few our friends. Like Hal Stone, but
Conrad Binyon made the book. Take care,
Walden Hughes
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:37:03 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: EVERETT CLARKE
Yes, Everett Clarke was murdered, but all I can recall, and that is
somewhat hazy, there was an elevator involved.
Everett also went under the name Clarke Everett--not a very convincing
'fooler'...
Sandy
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Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 20:16:40 -0400
From: mart459@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: How I listen to OTR -
Minidisc/NetMD. [removed] for more info
Very small, cheap, portable, 5 hours per $1 (USD)disc, 15 hour battery life on
a single 'AA'. USB interface to the new units.
I download and trade MP3's, archive them on CDs, convert to atrac on the PC
and download to the minidisc for portable enjoyment. An extra step over just
downloading MP3's to my MP3 units (have several, only one I actually really
use is an old Rio due to the small size and the fact that it can play back
VERY low bitrates good for capturing internet talk radio broadcasts and
playing back later)
'nuff said.
Also for those who wish to experiment, there are a couple of us who use a
Franklin Ebookman to listen to OTR through use of the (Spot-n-go?) codec.
([removed]) $30 for the software, and of you have a costco nearby you
can get the ebookman for $50. Not a bad unit for what it is now that they have
gotten the software right - first release of the software was awful and nearly
killed the unit. But a better display than the palms (though not as crisp as
my mono Ipaq), replaceable batteries, only fair as a PDA, but when I do not
feel like taking my other ebook readers (REB1100, REB1200, Ipaq, etc) with me
because they do not fit in my pocket, I can slip the franklin in my pocket and
read, listen to OTR, etc. MMC expansion cards. You will need one for a backup
and one for your OTR - I can explain more in email if anyone wishes.
Since the last posting of this type created a back and forth arguement, anyone
who wishes to learn more or has questions, please email me direct and I will
help/argue/agree/disagree that way. I will not perpetuate
flames/arguements/etc. since I saw what they did to one group where I just
posted a simple comment that advertisers that were hawking their wares in the
group were inappropriate. Lots of back & forth with the advertisers saying
that the liked the free advertising, the users of the group saying that they
hated the wasted time & bandwidth, and in general a lot of people quitting the
group in disgust during the fight. For reference, I just had the one posting
and others made it a major war. I have no wish to do that again :(
Jon M.
mart459@[removed]
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