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Date: 11/2/2005 9:07 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2005 : Issue 338
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  "Hi-ho, Historians!"                  [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
  FOTR Confab                           [ "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed] ]
  Eternal Light                         [ Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed] ]
  Re: Just Jazz                         [ "jazmaan@[removed]" <dmf273@ya ]
  Re: Smoking glamorized                [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
  Taxi Into Position and ...            [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@j ]
  Six Two and Even, Over and Out        [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
  Shadow condemned                      [ "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@bas ]
  Re: Big drags on Dragnet              [ David Loftus <dloft59@[removed] ]
  smoking on Dragnet                    [ "ANDREW OOMS" <oomspine@[removed]; ]
  THE STRANGE AND MYSTERIOUS HAT        [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
  Thoughts about FOTR/Newark            [ JJLjackson@[removed] ]
  Re: religious OTR                     [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
  Lux Radio Theatre: listener letters   [ "HOWARD BLUE" <khovard@[removed]; ]
  Night Beat or Nightbeat               [ "James Yellen" <clifengr3@[removed] ]
  Re: Smoking on Dragnet                [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
  Re: Orson Welles and Doctor Who       [ Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@yahoo. ]
  Shadow costume and BBC                [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
  just jazz                             [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:38:14 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  "Hi-ho, Historians!"
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Does anybody have contact info on the following historians who have all
written books about the Lone Ranger?:
Reg Jones, Dave Holland, David Rothel, Mario DeMarco, Lee Felbinger.

If so,  please contact me off-list at derek@[removed]

Researching the ether,

Derek Tague

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:38:31 -0500
From: "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  FOTR Confab

A friend of mine sent me a clipping of the Wall Stret Journal's coverage of
the last FOTR Convention. It reports a conflict going on between the
"traditionalists" who want to keep the parrticipants restricted to having an
attachment to OTR and "progressives" who want to invite television pioneers
in order to "attract more young people."

We in bluegrass music have the same conflicting factions and the same
desires to "attravt more young people."

OTR content: The Nashville crowd really enjoyed our Saturday night
recreation of the 1939 Grand Ole Opry.

BILL KNOWLTON

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:40:25 -0500
From: Andrew Steinberg <otrdig1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Eternal Light
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As far as mp3s, most people have only the first episode 441008 #01 A Rhode
Island [removed] . I have created 50 or more mp3s of the show from tapes.

Visit [removed] for OTR program title and date corrections

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 10:57:41 -0500
From: "jazmaan@[removed]" <dmf273@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Just Jazz

A few of the "Just Jazz" concerts resurfaced on "Jubilee" with Gene Norman
hosting.   On at least
one broadcast its obvious that he's pretending to MC a live broadcast when
he's really spinning
recordings from one of his concerts.    Visit David Goldin's radiogoldindex
and do a search on
Gene Norman and you'll find the Jubilee's he hosted.

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:48:46 -0500
From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Smoking glamorized

Memories do get foggy, but I think I remember the Camel commercials all over
TV, where the brand was touted as being wonderful in the "T Zone," which had
to do with the throat, and maybe the tongue (for taste), by  a man, grey at
the temples was sitting behind a desk in what looked like a medical office.
He was wearing an Official Doctor white smock that was buttoned across one
shoulder. Later in the series, the FTC required them to run a legend at the
bottom of the screen, saying something to the effect of "This is a
dramatization," meaning the man was an actor, rather than a doctor.

Thanx,

 B. Ray

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 11:57:57 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Taxi Into Position and ...

Jim Nixon asks,

Reading about Captain Midnight in the digest reminded me that when I
lived in Boston, there was a Red Sox manager named Joe Morgan who was
fond of the saying, "Six, two and even, over and out".  I always
associated this phrase with Captain Midnight, but I have no recollection
of whether that is correct, or who might have said it, but I sure think I
heard it first on the radio when I was a lad.

Aviation radio procedure has been in place since at least World War II.
"Over," means "I have finished my transmission and an awaiting your
response."  "Out," means "I have finished my transmission and plan to
sign off."  "Over and out" is self contradictory.  Radio procedure on
Captain Midnight hardly ever used "over" or "out." and for that matter,
"roger" or "wilco," were scarcely used.  Generally, Captain Midnight
would transmit, "SS-1 to," whomever, followed by the message, such as,
"SS-1 to SS-2, fly along bearing 270, maintain altitude."

For that matter, the worst *aviation* radio procedure on OTR was the
exchange between the control tower and Hop Harrigan at the beginning of
each his show.  After the tower provides him with some of the field
conditions, though hardly all, Hop, who's previously identified himself
as "CX-4," his aircraft ID, says, "O-kay!  This is Hop Harrigan, coming
in!"  It evokes chuckles from every pilot I know of who's heard it.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:45:06 -0500
From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Six Two and Even, Over and Out

Jim Nixon asks where this phrase (Six, two, and even, over and out") came
[removed]

An internet search seems to nail it as from the Dick Tracy comic strips.

---Dan

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:45:31 -0500
From: "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Shadow condemned

For years I have labored under the notion that The Shadow was the only show
in radio history to have been condemned by the Catholic Legion of Decency.
(Supposedly because it appeard Lamont and Margo lived together without being
married.)  But now I am interested in confirming this idea and have not been
able to do so.  I have visited Shadow websites and Legion of Decency
websites, both without any luck.  It appears the Legion was only interested
in movies and books.

Is anybody here knowledgeable about this?

Ted

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:46:04 -0500
From: David Loftus <dloft59@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Big drags on Dragnet

Of long, slow sound sequences of smoking on Dragnet,
"[removed]" <[removed]@[removed]; asked:

I've always wondered why they did this.  It is merely
because they were sound perfectionists and were
always striving for realism?  Or, because they were
sponsored by a cigarette manufacturer, did they include
these segments as a sub-conscious sponsor plug?

The latter, I'm sure.  Although I suspect the writers probably appreciated
the time it ate up, too.

I have to say, much as I detest tobacco and smoking, I kind of enjoyed seeing
all the cigarette action in "Good Night, and Good Luck."  The swirling smoke
looked lovely, and added to the atmosphere of the movie . . . so to speak.

David Loftus

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 13:47:02 -0500
From: "ANDREW OOMS" <oomspine@[removed];
To: "old_time_radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  smoking on Dragnet
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I expect one of the reasons that smoking was an integral part of the script on
Dragnet was that, as hard as it is to believe now, in the 40's and 50's,
smoking in the [removed] was a normal part of life, like eating and drinking.  On a
stakeout, smoking was one of the things to do.
I was born in 1938, and I knew very few adult males who did not smoke.  Those
non-smokers seemed to be lacking a certain something somehow to us boys.
I did smoke, and happily do not.
Andy Ooms, Pine, AZ

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:18:09 -0500
From: PURKASZ@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  THE STRANGE AND MYSTERIOUS HAT
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In a message dated 11/2/2005 10:47:22 [removed] Eastern Standard Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:

That  original slouch hat has resided for the last 25 years in stately
Tollin
manor.  It is quite happy to reside alongside Bret Morrison's  cape.

I'm not sure why but that bit of info sent chills  up and down my spine!
    Personally, I HAVE spent some years in the Orient  and did learn strange
and mysterious secrets that led to 'powers' but most of  them were limited to
secret words in 'street' Cantonese that led to odd  mumblings and cryptic
glances by waiters in Chinese restaurants.
    The savory delights that DID arrive at the table  were usually greeted
with ooohs and awwws by other diners so maybe that counts  for a skill, tho it
could never solve a [removed] maybe it could.
    "The Case of the Oddly Curried Shrimp," might well  be a thriller in the
SHADOW lexicon, in the right hands.
    But I digress.
    Is the aforementioned hat and cape on display?
    Are mere mortals allowed to visit?
    Is it in an area of the country near me?
    I would love to be included in the next public  'opening.'
                    Michael  C. Gwynne
    (Who has a polka dot shirt that Schreevie might  have worn)

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:18:21 -0500
From: JJLjackson@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Thoughts about FOTR/Newark
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Aloha from Hawaii!

Thoughts about FOTR/Newark

I wanted to say what a wonderful time the three of us from Seattle had at
FOTR's 30th at Newark. I'm sure I'm speaking for Marilyn and Penny, as well
as
myself. I have never seen my two friends being that full of light and spirit
as  they were at Newark. We discovered that being there together, in a small
group  of three, allowed us both the freedom of attaching ourselves to other
groups,  like Marilyn with the Chicago "mob", and yet being able to congregate
together  to share experiences and things learned. Millie Morse made a fourth
to
our  group.

And it was great that Dave and Joan Parker, as well as Jean Rouverol and
Cliff Carpenter, gathered us in as family.  They had been with us for our
first
two-day workshop in early September, called Radio Studio 2005. One of the
plays that was performed at that gathering was the original play about a
young
man in the Civil War Alonzo's Watch, written by Mike Wheeler and myself.
While
at Newark, we were able to do some pickups of some of the dialog from that
show,  with Dave and Joan. Had to do in 3 minutes segments--we were next to
Newark  Airport, dealing with the 3-minutes separation between airplanes.

We did the recording in Dave's room. I have a photograph of the "recording
studio"--in the hallway, next to the bathroom, with the ironing board as a
mic
stand, two of Dave's equipment cases on top of it for height, then topped
with a  table mic stand and the Heil microphone. The "green room" was the
bathroom,  where Dave would repair to "woodshed'.

We were also able to record Jean and Cliff's lines at their home after the
convention.

Upon our return, the luggage was loaded with the books and scripts  that we
bought--some of them bought by Marilyn in some spirited bidding at the
[removed] there were the tapes that came our way from the raffle. Plus
each  of us
had an assortment of mp3 CDs, which are intended to be the start of ART's
library of mp3 radio recordings.

Some of my favorite memories from that weekend:
The interview with Simon Jones. I hadn't been fortunate enough to listen to
Simon just talk about things, and I discovered that he has that droll English
humor that makes me laugh.

Frontier Gentleman, with Simon Jones, was my best of the best. The Gotham
Players were very tight with their timing, and it was fascinating watching
Steve
 direct them using the handies. The handies are something that  we've
(American Radio Theater) been practicing, so it was nice to see them  in
action. The
group, both individually and as a collective, did a grand job of  bringing the
show to life.

The Plot to Overthrow Christmas--I thought Cliff stole the show as Sotte
Voce (but I might be a little prejudiced!). I admit I steer away from plays
in
verse due to our Seattle lack of expertise, but it was something to hear as
the
 actors at Newark carried it off, and did it well.

Elizabeth McLeod was fascinating to listen to. I was delighted to be able  to
shake her hand, since I admire her ability to research and write
knowledgeably about that research.

Since I was interested in hearing Elizabeth, I had to give Jimmy Lydon's
film a pass--I could make that choice since Jimmy had brought it up to
Seattle
one year, and I got a chance to see it then. To everyone who might have
missed
that--it's a fascinating collection of actual newsreel footage.

I enjoyed seeing Ted Reid bring Dr. Christian to life. I hadn't realized
what a great actor he can be, since I've only seen him in a couple of plays
at
SPERDVAC. For a change, I knew what Dr. Christian had sounded like originally
and could appreciate how close Ted came to it.

Jeff David did spectacular work, in everything he did, and he has an evil
laugh as the Shadow.  And Donald Buka was putting his heart and soul into  his
roles as well. I didn't get a chance to see him when he was at Showcase in
June, so I was glad to see what he could do. Bobb Lynes showed incredible
versatility in various roles during the weekend.

I came away from Newark with a lot of contact information, from actors (and
others) who might be interested in coming to Seattle for American Radio
Theater.

Thank you, one and all, for a unsurpassable weekend. Boy, did we have  fun!

Joy Jackson
American Radio Theater
_JJLjackson@[removed]_ (mailto:JJLjackson@[removed])
_[removed]_ ([removed])

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:18:58 -0500
From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: religious OTR

 Clif Martin's post put a thought in my head about the broadcasting of church
services. Back in the late forties/early fifties, there were several stations
in the Chicago area that broadcast such services on Sunday mornings, usually,
I think, from either Baptist or [removed] churches. One station I remember was
either WEDC (the Voice of Emil Denemark Cadillac/Buick) or WSBC, both of whom
shared a frequency around 1240 (if I remember correctly). Much later, when I
lived in San Francisco in the late eighties, a classical music station, KKHI,
broadcast a Catholic Mass in Latin every Sunday. Not being Catholic, I didn't
understand much about what was going on, but I remember the announcer at the
beginning of the broadcast stating where in one's Missal he/she could find
the mass that was being broadcast that day. One Easter morning, the announcer
named the particular mass that was being celebrated, and I realized that they
were rebroadcasting the same mass every Sunday! I wonder if such shows are
still around?

Thanx,

 B. Ray

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:19:15 -0500
From: "HOWARD BLUE" <khovard@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Lux Radio Theatre: listener letters

I no longer have use for a packet of photocopies of about 25 listener
letters (reacting to broadcasts of Lux Radio Theatre) that I obtained from
Cecil B. DeMille's papers.

Here's one example of the content:

 The father of a soldier stationed in the Middle East sent a letter
describing a dinner at which his son was a guest of a sheik. The main course
was a large barbecued lamb served on an enormous tray. In apparent accord
with local custom, the Americans joined their hosts in literally tearing
"the poor beast to shreds" with their fingers. The writer went on to quote
his son about the dinner's aftermath. " . . . when we had our fill," he
related, "[we] were directed to a native servant to wash our hands and Mom,
what do you think we were given to wash our hands with--LUX, right away I
thought of you and Pop on a Monday evening, the Lux Hour, quiet please."

Please contact me if you would like the letters & state your interest (in
case there are several people interested in them)

Howard Blue

Khovard@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:19:35 -0500
From: "James Yellen" <clifengr3@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Night Beat  or Nightbeat

I can add another bit of information to the discussion.
I just received in today's mail the latest catalogue from Radio Spirits. On
page six they feature a new collection called FAMOUS PREMIERES, and one of
the selections is from Nighbeat. They spell it as one word. Radio Spirits
generally seems to "do their homework" so I guess one can assume that
they've done some research.
I don't knwo if this contributes anythiing conclusive to the discussion, or
if it just more to the uncertainty.

Jim Yellen

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 16:38:38 -0500
From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Smoking on Dragnet

If I remember correctly, Dragnet's original sponsor on the radio was a
cigarette brand, and it was an oddball that was packaged in a box that I
think had two layers of ten cigarettes each, something that was done by
brands that wanted to set themselves apart as something more sophisticated
than an ordinary package. This is vague but I know that "Parliament"
originally was packaged that way, although I somehow think the sponsor was
the late, lamented "Fatima" cigarettes.

Thanx,

 B. Ray

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:12:33 -0500
From: Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Orson Welles and Doctor Who

The BBC7 website has started running a Doctor Who serial in
which the time-travelling hero goes back to 1938 and becomes involved with a
certain broadcasting event.

I did check in for a listen and heard one interesting error in the
script. "Welles" is wondering why they bother even doing the show
when practically everyone is listening to "that ventriloquist."
Another character replies, "because Campbell's Soup pays us to." All
OTR fans know what's wrong with _that_ line, right?
Alan
--
Alan/Linda Bell
Grand Rapids, MI

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:12:52 -0500
From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Shadow costume and BBC
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       From all of the illustrations I've seen, the Shadow wore a wide
brimmed black hat (known as a slouch hat, I believe), A black cloak
with a red silk like lining, and a ring on his right index finger with a
large dark colored stone in it.  The collar of the black cloak was a high
one.  The ring was one which he gave to those he saved, who became
part of his 'support network' (according to the book).

       I agree with Charlie, that although there were several great programs
on BBC radio, we should limit our discussions to what happened on/with
American radio.  After all, that's what we usually discuss on the mailing
list anyway.  I'm sure there are mailing lists out there which deal with
BBC radio programs which can be accessed.
Another OTR Fan,

Kenneth Clarke

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Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:14:13 -0500
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  just jazz

The Mackenzie AFRS book says JJ was produced from 1948-1949 and beyond. 30
minutes weekly.

Not much info beyond that.

Joe Salerno

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