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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2002 : Issue 213
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
The Lone Ranger [ Alan Chapman <[removed]@verizon. ]
24-Hour a Day Stations [ "Lois Culver" <loiseula@[removed] ]
Re: V&S Music [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Ted, Shawn and MP3s [ Thomasmartin245@[removed] ]
Mr. First Nighter [ Israel Colon <colon@[removed] ]
Cincinnati Convention [ "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed] ]
Waukegan again [ danhughes@[removed] ]
Nomination for MY NAME'S FRIDAY [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
Bandwidth [ "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed]; ]
Jack Benny cartoon [ "Gary Yoggy" <yoggy@[removed]; ]
WGN and the "Silent Night" [ "Arte" <arte@[removed]; ]
The Halls Of Ivy - New Episodes [ N&B Brickman <nbb@[removed]; ]
Dealers and Mp3 [ "[removed] George" <yourstruly@[removed]; ]
Re: Watts, Voices, and Wilson [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
I Love to Singa [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Re: MP3 [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
Ted and The MP3 Thread [ "Paul M. Thompson" <beachcomber@com ]
"Jungle Jim" on radio too? [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:39:44 -0400
From: Alan Chapman <[removed]@[removed];
To: Old-Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Lone Ranger
I am looking for a specific episode of The Lone Ranger -- It's show #810
from April, 1938, titled "The Red" or "The Redhead" - Part 2.
This morning I listened Part 1, and I got hooked into the story, but
when I went to my OTR cupboard, it was bare ... no part 2 (boo hoo!)
I would like to buy or trade for it, if someone has it -- any format is
fine. Email me off-list --
Thanks --
Alan Chapman
alan@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:47:40 -0400
From: "Lois Culver" <loiseula@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 24-Hour a Day Stations
For Ken Piletic, who asked if there were stations who were on the air 24
hours a day:
KFI Los Angeles was on 24 hours a day for many years.
When World War II was declared, the announcer at midnight said, "....on the
[removed] hours a [removed] Victory!" Several years after Victory, they
were using the same recorded message, but chopped it off before the "til
Victory",leaving the last word up in the air.
They closed their broadcast day at midnight with the Star Spangled Banner,
then immediately played a rooster crowing to begin the next day.
Lois Culver
KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
Widow of Howard Culver, actor
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:31:46 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: V&S Music
On 6/10/02 5:06 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:
Some have organ music and some don't any
music at all although it sounds like the ones that
don't have music should. Can anyone enlighten me about
the episodes that are in circulation regarding this
oddity?
The recordings without music are extension-spotting discs made for
non-network broadcast in Canada. Vic and Sade was recorded off the
network line by Compton Advertising Inc. from 1937 thru 1944, and the
discs were used on non-affiliated stations. However, contractural
restrictions did not allow the music to be used in Canada -- hence during
the making of these recordings, the music was potted down leaving a blank
slug where the theme would be inserted live or from a Canadian-made theme
music disc when the discs were being played back. It's not just V&S that
displays this peculiarity -- every other Procter and Gamble serial
recorded for Canadian rebroadcast during this era survives the same way.
Elizabeth
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:14:49 -0400
From: Thomasmartin245@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ted, Shawn and MP3s
I have to agree with Ted about having some pride in what you do when it comes
to MP3 encoding. I started collecting from Ebay about 2 years ago and have
since started replacing those download CDs with excellent sounding stuff from
Shawn Wells. You are right Ted there isn't enough time left to transfer my
10,000 plus cassettes to MP3 but Shawn is a lot younger than myself. If you
folks want a real treat go to Shawns web site and check out his remastered
series. Yes, I'm a friend of Shawns and have traded with him for some time.
The pride he shows in his work and love for the hobby makes this dealer very
special. By the way if Shawn asked for $600 for his set of Lum and Abner
shows and asked you not to pass copies of them on it would be worth doing for
this was
a true labor of love on his part and no small investment in money and time.
Happy collecting and thanks for letting me have my say.
Tom Martin
Vintage Audio
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:22:36 -0400
From: Israel Colon <colon@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Mr. First Nighter
Hi,
I would like to put in a plug for one of my favorite programs - Mr. First
Nighter. Perhaps the fact that I like the live theater influences my
admiration of this program. I particularly like the beginning with the
excitement of going to the theater (taxi, greetings, etc.). The programs
appear to be quality programs but the only problem is that there appear to
be so few of them around. There appears to be only about a dozen
episodes. Am I wrong in the scarcity of episodes? Is there a reason why
so few episodes survive?
A slightly off the topic question that I ask since we have such a wealth
of knowledge among us. I remember in the late 1940s when a vacuum can of
coffee was opened (we used Medalia D'Oro which is an espresso) there was a
long swssssssssssssh sound as the air entered the can and the room was
filled with the aroma of coffee. Nowadays, the same act produces only a
small psst with very little aroma. Is there less vacuum today? Do they
add some gas or something that does not require the same degree of
vacuum? I am wondering if others had the same experience or is it that in
my child's mind/nose I exaggerated the experience. This has perplexed me
for some time and I would appreciate any responses. Sorry for the off
topic question but I have asked many people and no one seems to know.
Israel
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:25:03 -0400
From: "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Cincinnati Convention
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April 11, 12, 2003. The new hotel is a Best Western.
It's very close to where we have been having the
convention .The cost is based on the number of room rental
nights. A number of people stayed at some of the motels
around th Radisson last year because on the room rate.
Our room rate at the Best Western is $62, which is pretty
close to the smaller motel rates. In order for us to stay at
the new hotel I would ask for as many of you as possible
to stay at the Best Westen. I am taking alittle risk moving,
but if we get enough rental nights the cost could be as
much or even less than at the Radission. Would appreciate
everyone's working with me on this.
There will be some more dealers tables available. If you
want a table it will have to be first come first serve. I don't
know at this time how many will be available.
There will be no standing room only for the re-creations.
The new room is 15 feet deeper and 5 feet wider than
the old one. Start making your plans now to attend.
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:44:30 -0400
From: danhughes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Waukegan again
Don't know how long it will be there (probably just today), but my
daughter's picture is on the front page of the Waukegan newspaper today:
[removed]
---Dan
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:05:48 -0400
From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Nomination for MY NAME'S FRIDAY
Please forgive me one minute of horn-tooting. I just learned about this:
***Michael J. Hayde's MY NAME'S FRIDAY has been nominated for the "Macavity"
award in the category of Best Biographical/Critical Mystery Work by the
organization Mystery Readers International.
The "Macavity" (named for the criminal cat in [removed] Eliot's CATS) is the
oldest fan award in the mystery/crime fiction genre, and Mystery Readers
International, founded by Janet Rudolph, is one of the oldest mystery fan
societies.
The award will be presented at Bouchercon, the World Mystery Convention,
this October in Austin, Texas.***
A personal note: it was a big honor to have been nominated for an EDGAR
award by the Mystery Writers of America, even though I didn't win. But
somehow, I find this nomination even more special because it's from FANS.
They (and you) are the ones for whom I wrote it.
Michael
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:05:55 -0400
From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Bandwidth
Ken Piletic (KENPILETIC@[removed]) wrote:
"The bandwidth is 10 KHz as set by FCC law. Bandwidth is a function of the
modulating signal, not the transmitter power. An AM signal modulating a
transmitter 100 percent is limited to 5 HKz each side of the carrier, or 10
KHz total bandwidth. This represents both the "upper" and "lower" sidebands.
The reason for this limitation is to prevent "splatter" to adjacent
stations."
That's been discussed in several places, and the consensus is that the 5 kHz
limit (10 kHz total) is a myth. Even as early as the early 1930s some
stations had audio content as high as 10 kHz (for a total of 20 kHz), which
is why a number of prewar radios had wide bandpass settings that were useful
with strong local stations. Later, as audio technology improved, many AM
stations passed frequencies as high as 15 kHz; the FCC finally became
concerned about excessive splatter in the 1980s, and eventually accepted the
National Radio Standards Committee's recommendation for a 10 kHz (20 kHz
total) limit which is in effect today. With a [removed] kHz cutoff in the
receiver, as is required by the NAB's AMax specification for home or car
radios, the results are surprisingly good (though still not up to FM
standards).
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:34:59 -0400
From: "Gary Yoggy" <yoggy@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Jack Benny cartoon
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I'm looking for a copy (any format ) of the cartoon THE MOUSE THAT JACK BUILT
featuring the voices of Jack Benny and some of his cast. Will buy or trade
for it. Can anyone help me out? Thanks, Gary Yoggy
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:53:56 -0400
From: "Arte" <arte@[removed];
To: "OldRadio Mailing List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: WGN and the "Silent Night"
Ken Piletic asks:
I'd me interested if anyone can confirm or refute this information
about WGN. I imagine some insiders might have access to the
old transmitter logs.
I don't have access to logs, but I do remember groing up in
Chicago in the 50's & 60's.
I listened to Franklyn MacCormick on WGN and Jay Andres on
WBBM. They had similar shows from midnight to 5:30 or 6:00
am. One station observed its "silent night" on Sunday ( I
think it was WBBM) the other went off on Monday Night
(Tuesday Morning.) I usually tuned from one to the other or
else went "skip chasing" to listen to KAAY, WBZ, WONE, WHO,
WCCO, WWL, or KONE, WFAA/WBAP, WWWV, or even a pipsqueak
WYLO (Jackson Wisc 250watts). Sometimes I could catch an
east coast day-timer signing on just before WBBM hit the
air.
What was really a rare fun catch was hearing the engineering
staff playing around while making transmitter adjustments.
(I did some of that on KGHX too)
Arte
[removed]
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:56:19 -0400
From: N&B Brickman <nbb@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Halls Of Ivy - New Episodes
For those of you who are fans of this comedy series set in the venue of
an Ivy League college, some new episodes previously considered lost are
now available. Two mp3 CDs are available whose contents include the
"new" episodes listed below in addition to improved, digitally-filtered
sound quality for many of the "older" episodes.
Thanks are due to Milton Ferguson, of Fullerton, California, who
contributed recordings from his original wire recordings of the
broadcasts. For availability information contact me or Ryan Ellett
([removed]) who is also in the process of
uploading the CDs to [removed]
Norman Brickman
- - - - - - -
The two Halls Of Ivy mp3 CDs contain 89 radio episodes, 1 radio
interview, and 10 TV soundtracks.
Newly available radio episodes:
#34, Scandal / Professor Rousseau, 10/18/50, #40, The Honor Student,
11/29/50,
#55, His Father's Image / Football Player's Son, 3/14/51
#61, Note The Quote, 4/25/51, #62, Glory Golightly, 5/9/51,
#64, Cook's Night Out, 5/23/51, #73, Mrs. Why / Grandmother Enrolls,
10/24/51,
#74, Football Coach, 10/31/51, #76, The Halls Have Car Trouble,
11/14/51
New TV soundtracks:
#2, The Heart Of Passion, 10/26/54, #8, The Eleventh Commandment,
12/7/54,
#9, Boxing Versus Medicine / The Fighting Med Student, 12/14/54,
#18, Note The Quote, 2/15/55, #26, Scandal / Professor Rousseau,
4/12/55,
#27, Football Fix, 4/19/55, #28, F Canis Minor, 4/26/55,
#32, Honor Student, 5/24/55, #35, Maxwell's Comet, 6/24/55
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:30:41 -0400
From: "[removed] George" <yourstruly@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Dealers and Mp3
I'd like to throw my 2 cents in on the topic of Mp3s and dealers. Once a
month I used to order tapes from one of three different dealers. One was
affordable, the other two had a large selection. One went out of business
and the other two were bought out. I tried several other dealers but
couldn't find one with the three things I wanted in a dealer: affordability,
quality and selection.
I started downloading Mp3 because I was able to find the selection. Quality
wasn't an issue because you get what you pay for and free is free. For the
last 6 months I've reversed my thinking and started buying a dealer again.
But unfortunetly I'm still having trouble finding one dealer with affordable
tapes and a large selection. As a consumer I would love to see dealers offer
high quality encodes in Mp3. I've listened to OTR shows encoded at many
different bit rates. And while some may argue this, I think those shows
encoded at a higher bit rate can match the tone quality you get on [removed]
may only get 22 half-hour shows on one CD, but 1 CD would cost less than 11
sixty minute cassettes. Thus making them more affordable.
Eventually I hope to replace my downloaded shows with better quality shows.
I just wish they could be replaced with affordable high quality Mp3s from a
dealer.
Yours Truly,
[removed] George
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:32:06 -0400
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Watts, Voices, and Wilson
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
As to the bandwidth: The bandwidth is 10 KHz as set by FCC law.
Bandwidth is a function of the modulating signal, not the transmitter
power. An AM signal modulating a transmitter 100 percent is limited
to 5 HKz each side of the carrier, or 10 KHz total bandwidth. This
represents both the "upper" and "lower" sidebands. The reason for
this limitation is to prevent "splatter" to adjacent stations.
That's not quite true. Until the introduction of the National Radio
Systems Committee (NRSC) standards in the 1990s there had never been any
restrictions on the transmission bandwidth of AM broadcast transmitters
in the [removed] Many AM transmitters had rated and usable frequency
responses as high as 14 KHz. Prior to NRSC (which covers the entire OTR
era) transmitters were allowed full frequency response, which would send
modulations out over the adjacent channels and part of the second
adjacent channels. In the OTR era, receivers like the [removed] could
provide Hi-Fi response from quality AM stations. NRSC now restricts
transmitter modulation to 10 KHz as an enticement for receiver
manufacturers to increase the bandwidth (and frequency response) of
their AM receivers back to the way it used to be when interference was
less because there were fewer stations.
Under NRSC, EACH of the upper and lower sidebands of a station can
spread out 10 KHz from the center of the assigned frequency. Thus a
station at, say, 700 KHz is actually theoretically using bandwidth from
690 to 710, so the higher audio frequencies of the 700 station are
actually mingling with that of their first adjacent neighbors, 690 and
710. But stations on those first adjacents are supposedly spaced far
enough away from each other so that this wouldn't create problems in
their respective "protected" geographic areas. But second-adjacents
(680 and 720) are potentially spaced close enough to each other that
overlapping sounds and high-frequency splatter might cause problems.
This was why receiver manufacturers tended to reduce their sets'
bandwidths when the AM band became more crowded in the 1970s, and was
also why the NRSC standards were introduced.
Modern AM radios tended to sound worse than earlier sets, and
broadcasters had hoped that the FCC would institute requirements for
wide-band receivers at the same time as the NRSC transmission standards
were instituted. But the FCC dropped the ball on this--just like they
screwed up on the AM stereo standards. Radios with wide-band response
were to be given an identifying mark called "AMax" but to date there
have only been a handful of radios to carry this mark.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:38:37 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: I Love to Singa
I am looking for a vintage warner bros. vitaphone cartoon called JACK RABBIT
AND OWL JOLSON IN I LOVE TO [removed] anyone has any information as
where I can find this video, please contact me at xensargo@[removed]
That cartoon is not a vitaphone, but rather a Merrie melodies cartoon
called "I Love to Singa" from July 18, 1936 created by Fred Avery. It has
an owl-boy in it who wants to sing jazz while his father wants him to sing
proper songs. While he sings "Drink to me only with thine eyes" in front of
his father, he sings jazz, and runs away from home & goes to a radio
station & enters a contest & sings "I love to singa" for the prize. The
worried parents come back & sing with him.
I cannot recall the title but there is a cartoon collection available which
includes the piece.
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:08:16 -0400
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: MP3
Ted Davenport made an excellent point about quality. This is about the same
thing I've been doing since 1952. That was the year I started collecting
OTR. At the beginning I recorded the shows directly off the air and in
1970, I discovered other collectors and traded with them.
Quality was always an issue with me. Back in the early days of trading, I'd
take each tape that I received in trade and re-transfer it to another reel
to reel tape. Always on two track not quarter track. While transferring it
I'd adjust the speed if it needed it and run it through an equalizer if needed.
In many, many cases, the copy master I made sounded better than the
original I received.
I never traded on cassette. Only on reel to reel. Then when the digital
word come into being I looked into several options. DAT, Mini Disc and
Audio CDs. When the prices came down on CDs, I decided that this would be
the best way to preserve and also save the quality of my collection.
If I duplicated an audio CD, nothing was lost in the transfer. Note, I'm
saying audio CD, not MP3. I tested MP3 with a number of different program
material and you CAN hear the difference. So, very slowly I've been
transferring my reel to reel tapes to audio CDs.
I'm also fortunate to have a number of transcription disc that are being
turned into audio CDs. It is a slow process and many of you probably know,
but in the end, you have a program that hopefully will stand the test of time.
I've also been taking the raw WAV file from the transcription discs and
putting that on CDs for archival. In case someone or some equipment becomes
available to clean up the signal better than I can right now, I'll always
have the original file to work on.
I've heard the quality of Ted's shows and the ones I've heard have been
excellent. Many of our clients have also let me know that we put out a high
quality product. And in the end, that is really what matters. That the
quality of the shows be preserved for generations to come.
MP3 is convenient, but it should not be at the expense of quality. If it is
convenient to transfer shows to MP3 for listening on long trips, that is
fine. Just don't turn those MP3 files back into audio CD and pass them off
as audio CDs. Keep them as MP3 and help keep from muddying up the waters,
as they say.
Fred Berney
[removed]
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:08:29 -0400
From: "Paul M. Thompson" <beachcomber@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Ted and The MP3 Thread
Bravo to Ted Davenport for his comments on the MP3 issue and
his concerns of OTR quality. As a long time collector from the sixties
I couldn't agree more. I will also remain committed to tape for the
same reasons.
Well said Ted!!
Paul Thompson
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Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:08:56 -0400
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Jungle Jim" on radio too?
neil crowley <og@[removed]; writes:
On some Jungle Jim episodes he can be heard in
multiple accents, and be effective in each, but that distinctive voice
always gives him away.
I remember going to see "Jungle Jim" 'B' movies as a kid in Baltimore on
Saturday afternoons. The admission price was 14 cents.
Was there a radio show too? I had no [removed] I (later) thought it was a
movie series created just to extend the career of Johnny [removed] after his
'Tarzan' run ended!
Herb Harrison
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