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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2003 : Issue 381
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
ADMINISTRIVIA: FOTR Week! [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
OMF Confusion [ "Stephen Bauer" <viajero97@hotmail. ]
The grooves are still sticking [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
Re: Possesives vs Plurals [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Radio English [ "Harry" <hb1379@[removed]; ]
ANOTHER NEW FACE FOR RADIO FANS! [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
Chuck Schaden & FOTR [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
Accents, etc. [ Richard Carpenter <newsduck@[removed] ]
bauersfeld lord of the rings [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
Radio Golden age [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
Teen Alcohol Use [ oldpdb@[removed] (Paul Barringer) ]
Boston Globe Article on "Say Goodnig [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
Short Wave reception [ Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed]; ]
Re: New FOTR Guest [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
WEIRD RECEPTION [ Sandy J Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
hollows/hollars/hollers [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 02:10:36 -0400
From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: FOTR Week!
Folks;
Finally, the week of the FOTR [removed] those of you coming,
remember to pick up an at-symbol sticker at the leaflet table and put it on
your nametag, so other subscribers can put a face with the name. (And for
those not coming to the con, what's keeping you away from the East Coast's
largest OTR convention, anyway?)
And while getting ready for the convention this week, I'm hoping you'll
pack an extra $[removed]
I'm going to be holding an informal fundraiser for the new-server fund, by
selling an OTR/video CD. The disc contains bunches of OTR shows, a filmed
excerpt of a radio Jack Benny Program, some unexpected Lone Ranger video, and
even an episode of the OTR-to-TY crossover Burns and Allen, complete with
original Goodrich/Carnation commercials!
No formal dealer's table (I was running late again this year), just look
me up. I'm easy to [removed] the mornings, I'm the rotund guy hanging out at
the coffee urn. (In the evenings, I'm the rotund guy trying and failing to
drink Hal Stone under the table.)
A list of the programming on the disc will be available at the Con, and is
also available at:
[removed]
All proceeds from the sale of this disk will go directly to paying for the
two new machines - the co-located web/mail server (which the Digest is now
running flawlessly on) and the local back-up server.
Just look for me around the convention, and even if you don't pick up a
copy of the fundraiser disk, be sure to say, "Hello!"
Charlie
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:07:46 -0400
From: "Stephen Bauer" <viajero97@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OMF Confusion
I haven't listened to all of the OMF episodes, however I know the show was
pretty consistent in it's 27-year run. It had elements of soap opera but
couldn't be totally classified as a "soap opera". It had elements of humour
but couldn't be classified as a "sitcom". It even had elements of mystery
but couldn't be considered a "mystery". It was first and foremost a story
about a family and, apart from a few structural changes, it very rarely
strayed from it's original style and focus in it's long run. Perhaps a few
of the episodes you're listening to are incorrectly labeled. Who are the
characters involved?
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 12:19:03 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The grooves are still sticking
The old Broken Record Syndrome, really actually just a stuck groove, is
still happening despite the lack of grooves, records, or electrical
transcriptions. You probably all remember the fake blooper in one of
Kermit Schaffer's early albums, the one where there is a stuck groove in an
ET and it says "Go to your neighborhood A & P (click) & P (click) & P
(click) & P . . ." That one ran at 78 RPM for just a short phrase. In a
later album there was another fake blooper where in a sermon a precher says
Oh Jesus Christ, and the transcription sticks there at 33 having him say
that longer phrase over and over and over and over.
Well, it happened again, and this time there is seemingly accurate
documentation and confirmation of it. An AP news story in the Casper (WY)
Star-Tribune [removed]
explains that a few weeks ago during coverage of the Morman general
conference on KSUB Ceder City, Utah, a digital buffer overload occurred
just as church Apostle M. Russell Ballard said the word "sex". While
reloading, the buffer repeated the last sound that it received, thus this
word was repeated over and over and over and over rapidly for the next 24
seconds!!!
What makes this even funnier is that according to the article, no listener
complained! And neither has the Church!!!
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:16:28 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Possesives vs Plurals
On 10/19/03 12:08 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:
As for the second regionalism that Chris pointed out, the pluralization of
store names, this is being misunderstood. They are not making it a plural,
they are making it a possessive. It is Wal-Mart's, Blockbuster's Video,
Best Buy's, etc.
Precisely. The best example of this is a now-bankrupt chain of discount
stores called "Ames."
We had quite a few of these stores up here before the company folded last
year, and they all had a big sign on the front that said simply "Ames."
But the average Mainer would *always* say something like "I'm goin' ovah
to Ames'es to git a new paih 'a sho'ts."
There was a restaurant in the town where I grew up that ran into this
problem coming the other way -- it was run by a guy named Bill Darres,
and the offical name of the place was "Darres Lunch." All the locals
called it simply "Darres's, but whoever painted the sign out front
must've been from away, because he assumed the locals were indulging in
this habit of making posessives where none existed -- and he painted a
big sign reading "Darre's Lunch," which hung over the place for many
years. The local shibboleth for knowing who was local and who wasn't was
always to ask them what the name of that lunchroom was -- the
outa-townies would inevitably say "Dare's."
Elizabeth
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:18:38 -0400
From: "Harry" <hb1379@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Radio English
To those who are really into the English language and radio
pronunciation I highly recommend the book, "The Story of English" by
McCrum, Cran and MacNeil. The book, unfortunately, may be out of print,
but a PBS video tape of the same name which is companion to the book is
available.
The book's discussion of the regional differences in England contains
the following:
"What attitude should the new BBC take towards such coinings as
cocktail, pussyfoot, road-hog and sneak-thief" And, perhaps most
sensitive of all, what English accent should the BBC adopt? The
approach to a solution reached in 1926 was to set up the so-called
Advisory Committee on Spoken English. This high-powered group of
experts included ... Robert Briges ... Logan Pearsall Smith ... George
Bernard Shaw ... [removed] Onions ... Julian Huxley ... Kenneth Clark and
Alistair Cooke, then a young journalist."
When I was on the air back in the 60's there were several often
mispronounced words that were drilled into us, [removed] (New-z) not (Nooz),
(Pee-an'-ist) not (Pee'-a-nist), etc. We were taught that Temperature
was a four syllable word, and Family is a three syllable. There is no
"edge" in education. Well, you get the picture.
All of that has gone by the wayside on Television. Everyone on the
Weather Channel says Tempecher and on the Family Channel they all say
Famly. And most can't figure out that there's, a contraction of "there
is" precedes a singular, not plural, noun. ([removed] There's a great Italian
deli across the street. There are fabulous wildflowers in the hills.)
We won't even mention sports announces, though Bill Stern didn't seem to
have a problem with the language.
Harry Button
hb1379@[removed]
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:19:05 -0400
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: ANOTHER NEW FACE FOR RADIO FANS!
Radio fans will have an opportunity to meet and greet another radio actor
for the first time at SPERDVAC's convention! We've made contact with Johnny
McGovern who worked on hundreds of radio shows in Hollywood in the 1940s and
1950s. Among his many credits are Gunsmoke, The Halls of Ivy, On Stage,
Doorway to Life, Wild Bill Hickok, California Caravan, Adventures of Ozzie
and Harriet. On the Jack Benny Show he played Jack on the Beavers' version
of the show.
Later on he changed his name to John Wilder and became a successful
writer/producer/director on such TV shows as Streets of San Francisco,
Spenser: For Hire, Branded, Most Wanted, The Partridge Family, The Rifleman,
and The Streets of San Francisco.
Johnny McGovern will join Hal Stone, Tommy Cook, and Conrad Binyon on the
Kid Actors Panel, moderated by Frank Bresee on Saturday morning, November 8,
following the Book Panel. For registration forms, directions and other
information, see [removed]
Barbara
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:19:12 -0400
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Chuck Schaden & FOTR
I was listening to Chuck Schaden's show yesterday via the Internet and he
kept talking about "going to sell some books" and "being off the show next
week."
Hey Chuck - is there some rule that you can't mention you'll be at FRIENDS
OF OLD TIME RADIO in Newark and that there are some things going on besides
you selling books?
I mean come on - give us a little [removed] must be some people who
listen to your show that might be [removed]
Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:19:51 -0400
From: Richard Carpenter <newsduck@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Accents, etc.
In an otherwise accurate posting about how words
are pronounced and what beverages are called in
Boston, the writer, despite being from the area, chose
to perpetuate the myth that the city's name is
pronounced "Bahs-ten." No one from Boston has ever
pronounced it that way; it's always "Baws-tin."
As for calling carbonated beverates "tonic," that
is correct but appears to be fading; the term "soda"
has caught on with the younger generation (anyone
under 40, I'd say).
By the way, beans aren't especially popular in
Boston despite the Beantown moniker; Boston cream pie
is no big whoop around here, either.
As for the question of how many episodes of "One
Man's Family" are on MP3, most sites sell a 43-program
collection. [removed], however, sells about twice
that many.
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:20:03 -0400
From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: bauersfeld lord of the rings
Does anybody have the Eric Bauersfeld version of the complete Lord Of The
Rings on MP3. It is all supposed to be up on a web site, but I have the
feeling that it is not complete. Thanks in advance. Kurt
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:27:12 -0400
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Radio Golden age
Hi Everybody,
can some one tell me about Radio Golden Age. I believe it was a show in the
North Eat of the USA in the 1970s that had radio guest. The host of the
show was Dick, and Ed. I am not to sure of there last names. I heard a few
of there shows and would like to hear more. Take care,
Walden Hughes
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:28:08 -0400
From: oldpdb@[removed] (Paul Barringer)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Teen Alcohol Use
Last year New York's Westchester County came up with a
public-education campaign called "Face Value' an anti smoking campaign
directed at teen- age girls".
This year, parents wanted a similar campaign against teen drinking
started, after a rash of drinking incidents that were highly publicized
took place in the county.
Westchester County teaming up with Archie Comics will start that
campaign.
The company (Archie Comic Publications) is going to design and
publish a comic book that deals with the problems and issues that
teen-agers are confronted with, that include under-age drinking.
The goal of the book is not to preach to the kids and teens, but to
provide the information to make the right decisions.
The comic book will be distributed to middle schools through out the
county by the county's office of drug prevention.
The book will contain related web site addresses phone numbers and
games in addition to the stories.
Also in the book is a "no drinking or drugging" pledge card for the
students to carry.
Two new web sites have been set up to help the students, parents and
teachers.
The web site for teachers and parents can be found at
[removed]; the site for teens is
[removed].
Archie, Jughead and all their friends are involved in the campaign.
There is also a E-Mail address to contact the county if you are
interested in your school receiving the comic book (I don't know if you
can ask for them on line or not, I haven't checked that out yet).
This may not be completely OTR related, but since one of my favorite
posters is on this list ( Jughead himself) I thought it might interest
others on the list also.
Information taken from [removed]
Paul
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:28:23 -0400
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Boston Globe Article on "Say Goodnight
Gracie"
The controversial one-man play "Say Goodnight Gracie" by scheduled FOTR
guest Rupert Holmes is featured in today's Boston Globe.
Read it, then come to the convention ([removed]) and discuss the play
with him!
Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]
WITH his portrayal of George Burns, he makes a new impression
Boston Globe, MA
... To playwright Rupert Holmes, who never met the original Burns, Gorshin
is "miraculous" at combining the talents of an actor and an impressionist.
...
<[removed]
yal_of_george_burns_he_makes_a_new_impression>
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:28:54 -0400
From: Pete <pappleyard_ca@[removed];
To: submit item <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Short Wave reception
I am catching up on back issues of the Digest I have
read several people are having problems with reception
on the short wave bands.
The answer to your problems lies in propagation, the
sunspots and of course no matter how much you pay for
a radio unless you have a good antenna you are not
going to hear anything worth while.
Try running a single strand of wire 30 feet in length
verticle. Isolate it with insulators from where it is
attached and you will be amazed at what you will hear
and the cost is not really that much. One further bit
of advice is that if you can ground your radio that
will also help a lot.
If I can help any more just drop me a line. I dont
promise anything but I have been listening to short
wave radio for about 60 years, have some decent
equiptment and a lot of time ( I hope )
Pete
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Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 22:30:05 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: New FOTR Guest
In a message dated 10/19/03 11:08:33 AM, Harold Zeigler writes:
I was really excited in finding someone "new" for the convention as radio
personnel are becoming hard to find as time goes by.
I'm looking forward to the convention next week and finally meeting Paul
Carnegie and watch him perform.
***Our latest FOTR guest Paul Carnegie also co-starred as Kato opposite Jack
McCarthy in the final 13 episodes of THE GREEN HORNET. I'm really looking
forward to meeting him also. And for anyone interested, FOTR's LONE RANGER
70th
anniversary recreation features: FRED FOY (announcing and doubling as the
Lone Ranger in the single script for which he filled in as the Masked Man
back in
1954), PAUL CARNEGIE (as Tonto), WILL "Sugarfoot" HUTCHINS, BEVERLY WASHBURN
(who appeared in the first CLAYTON MOORE [removed] feature film), ELAINE HYMAN
(from the WXYZ cast), JIMMY LYDEN (Hollywood's Henry Aldrich), CLIFF
CARPENTER,
WILL JORDAN and Let's Pretender BOBBY REMSEN. --Anthony Tollin***
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 00:23:29 -0400
From: Sandy J Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: WEIRD RECEPTION
With no antenna, I was watching a channel in Peoria, Illinois one
day--suddenly there was a scrambled signal followed by a station break
from a station in Bangor, Maine!
[removed]
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Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:53:40 -0400
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: hollows/hollars/hollers
Jeff Quick wrote:
After we got home my wife questioned me about what a "hollar" was:) For
those of you non-hillbillies, a hollar is what most people call a ravine.
I'm not sure if this term is local to Indiana or not, but I think most
people from the south still use it.
I'm from western Pennsylvania (Elizabeth, on the Monongahela River, to be
exact). We had 'hollows' there, too. They have names like neighborhoods do.
"Hollows" refer to the wider places of watercourses, like springs and
creeks (which we pronounced "cricks'), which run between the hills that the
creeks separate.
Herb Harrison
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