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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2002 : Issue 91
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: William Shatner on radio [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed]; ]
Destroying Intellectual Property [ JBeck57143@[removed] ]
Wines advertised on OTR [ [removed]@[removed] ]
STREAMLOAD [ Musiciantoo47@[removed] ]
Astounded at the Lone Ranger! [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
Re: First Lone Ranger Script [ ROB CHATLIN <rchatlin@[removed]; ]
Jack Benny 1953 [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
Re: missing sentence [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Re: rhubarb [ GOpp@[removed] ]
Rhubarbs and Washington Cities [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
Today (Friday) in radio history [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
RANGER TRIVIA [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
DRAGON EYE RING [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
William Shatner on Radio [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]
Thank You [ TedOTR@[removed] ]
Rhubarb [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
Papermoon Soundtrack [ Tsunami1000@[removed] ]
Today in radio history [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
Radio Goes to the Movies [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
Shadow's Ring [ ADeTol1@[removed] ]
Re: Benny shows 1953 [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:19:39 -0500
From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: William Shatner on radio
Glenn Alexander asked
Does anyone out there know which radio shows he [Shatner] did appear
on?
William Shatner appeared on at least two of the thirteen syndicated
revival shows of "Arch Oboler's Plays" in 1964.
Show #1 -- The Word
William Shatner, Barbara Eiler, Hal Peary
Show #3 -- Special to Hollywood
William Shatner (as an airplane pilot), Gloria Blondell, Alan Reed, Chet
Stratton.
He may have appeared on other episodes from this series, my source does
not list all actors in this series.
Gerry Wright
ZoneZebra Productions
San Francisco
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:20:14 -0500
From: JBeck57143@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Destroying Intellectual Property
Elizabeth McLeod wrote:
...Unfortunately, these discs [syndicated recordings of A&A that were used
prior to the Pepsodent-NBC run] were to be returned to the Chicago Daily
News
Syndicate after broadcast, where they were destroyed to prevent unauthorized
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And (about Gosden and Correll not preserving their recordings):
...Ensuring the destruction of the discs was probably seen by Gosden as
necessary to safeguard their intellectual property [removed]
It seems fear of piracy (of some kind or other) has made a lot of otherwise
intelligent people do some very unintelligent things. Unauthorized reuse
wouldn't be a possibility unless there was some interest in the
recordings--so why not (if possible) deal with any unauthorized use, but at
the same time allow for the authorized reuse of the recordings?
As a creator of "intellectual property", I wouldn't be too happy about
getting ripped off, but I would hope that I'd never even be tempted to
destroy my work just to prevent any "unauthorized use".
Jim Beck
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:20:23 -0500
From: [removed]@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Wines advertised on OTR
It would seem that what happened to Roma Wine has been cleared [removed]
is the wine still produced? Also, is Cresta Blanca still sold under that
name? And what about Petri Wine, which was a sponsor, I believe, of
Sherlock Holmes. I've enquired about these three wines at a number of wine
stores in my area (Dayton, Ohio), alas, without success. If any of these
are still being sold under these names, are there any places in the Midwest
that carry them? I was too young to try them at the time they were being
advertised, but I do remember the ads for [removed]
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:20:46 -0500
From: Musiciantoo47@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: STREAMLOAD
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Hi. I recently requested and received quite a number of OTR shows from
several people whom I assume are members of this list; or I Hope so anyway.
Unfortunately however, because of Streamloads Poor Service in MY case anyway,
I was never able to download any of the files. So I am writing in hopes that
the people who sent me the files will RE send them to my MYPLAY account
instead. Hopefully I will be successful with downloading there. If you need a
reminder of what you sent I will TRY to find it and let you know. I am also
going to try to contact the people individually in case they aren't members
of this newsletter. At any rate, here is the note I wrote to Stramload that
should clarify what I am talking about. Thanx.
The Reason I unsubscribed is because I paid to be able to download more
files, and the situation was WORSE after I paid. At First I was limited
because of being a "Freeloader." So I signed up and paid so that I could
download what I wanted. But Then every time I would TRY to download, the
program was Unavailable, or I would get an Error message telling me "The URL
You Are Trying To Use Has Been Used From Too Many Locations; Please Wait
Awhile And Try Again." But no matter How long I waited, I still couldn't
download; OR it would shut my computer down when I would try to download, OR
there would be no File information, and on & on & on. PLUS, your Emails
talked about the Super Fast Customer Support; so I wrote the so called
"Customer Support" 2 or 3 times and never heard the First Word back from
them. And to top things off, NOW I will Lose all the files that I Never Got
To Download because of this mess instead of Streamload helping me FIX the
[removed] I'm afraid I can't recommend your service to people if this is the
way things are run. I didn't want money taken out of my bank account for
nothing. I Hope no more is taken out; and if I Have been charged the $[removed]
for this membership, I want it Back because I just Gave it to you and got
Nothing BUT Nothing in return. I'm sorry for it too, because I really had
high hopes for it. Thank [removed]
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:21:18 -0500
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Astounded at the Lone Ranger!
I cant believe that this program was so well liked. According to the number
of posts, its seems to easily be the favoirite or most popular of all otr. I
liked the program as "all right", but never thought of it as a favorite even
when i was a kid. Its funny, i was a great fan of the Lone Ranger, but more
as a comic hero than as a radio hero. I can recall as a very young kid not
being able to wait for the next LR comic book or coloring book, but the radio
show was only so so to me. Even the later tv shows didnt swell my interest,
although i watched and enjoyed. Was it one of the top rated in terms of
popularity back in the forties? Anyone? Gene Autry was the only western that
i really liked, although the Tom Mix serial appealed to me also.
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:21:04 -0500
From: ROB CHATLIN <rchatlin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: First Lone Ranger Script
If my memory is right,
the first script was printed in
David Rothel's "Who was that Masked Man"
printed in the 70's.
As a kid, I wore out the library copy until
I finally found one of my own. it shows up on ebay
often, and although it's not as comprehensive the Dave
Holland's book, it's also much more affordable. And
does cover some different material, including a nice
interview ith CD Livingstone.
rob
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:23:58 -0500
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Jack Benny 1953
I just got finished listening to an episode from May.
It is all to apparent to me that Jack waited 2
years-at least too long to end his show.
The enthusiasm is just not there, He and Don Wilson,
especially seem to be just going thru the motions
Remember, the talent was now spread between the radio and television show.
This included not only the performers, but the writers as well (although they
had hired Hal Goldman and Al Gordon to help with TV). Mary was recording her
lines from home (on the shows where she was to appear), and Phil Harris was
gone. The funding to the radio show had been cut, so you couldn't have many
guest stars (including Colmans, who last appeared on the show in 1951). At
this point, they were trying to come up with more running gags to sustain the
show; one of these was Jack's song, "When You Say I Beg Your Pardon".
There were still some good shows during that time (2/14/54 comes to mind),
but it had definitely changed.
the 'singer'..(sounds like she is pinching her
[removed] was she?)
I'd have to hear it, but most likely either Bea Benadaret or Sara Berner.
and the man who answers everything 'Idunno'
Again I'd have to hear it, but probably either Benny Rubin, Elliott Lewis, or
Joe Besser.
--Laura Leff
President, IJBFC
[removed]
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:21:50 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: missing sentence
In my posting to "Retired NYPD LT." Patrick Picciarelli, I responded to the
"Winning OTR Dealers" survey by saying "I haven't had dealings with Ed Carr.
I meant to qualify [removed] I haven't had dealings with him as an OTR dealer,
true. But I have had lots of enjoyable moments with him in Lois Culvers' OTR
Chat Room. Sorry "Truckstop". I didn't connect the name at first. You
definitely deserve to be one of the survey "winners" in my book.
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:22:30 -0500
From: GOpp@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: rhubarb
I don't know about the use of the word "rhubarb" for crowd noises, but in
his memoir ("Laughs, [removed] Lucy"), my father, Jess Oppenheimer,
recalled using a different word as part of the "crowd" on KFRC radio in
the mid-1930s:
"Occasionally I was allowed to do something exciting and creative, like
being a part of crowd noises, which consisted of muttering 'Hubba hubba
hubba.' I recall a moment during one of my first crowd
appearances--before I gained expertise at hubba hubba-ing--when I was so
carried away with the thought of little me actually acting that I missed
the director's cut-off cue. The sound effects door closed, leaving the
crowd--that is, all the crowd but me--on the outside. My solo 'hubba
hubba' dropped into the love scene taking place inside."
- Gregg Oppenheimer
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:05:12 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Rhubarbs and Washington Cities
Spence notes,
As to whether actors mumbled the word "rhubarb" in the background to
sound like a group noise, I don't know. But from what I have read and
heard, the sportscaster Red Barber, who called the Brooklyn Dodgers games
on radio and later TV, coined the word "rhubarb" (an on-field argument)
<<
According to an essay by the late H. Allen Smith (one of whose novels was
titled "Rhubarb," and involved a cat of that named inheriting a baseball
team), the origin of the phrase came from Mr. Barber's youth. In the
essay, the author indicated that when Barber was a boy, he'd indulge in
food fights with his contemporaries, where the boys would bombard each
other with food at what, if memory serves, was a school cafeteria. These
events they would call "rhubarbs," possibly because this was the most
favored cooked vegetable to hurl. This memory, according to Mr. Smith,
lay dormant until there was some sort of real donnybrook at a baseball
game, and Mr. Barber blurted out, "Whatta rhubarb!" The rest was
history. [Smith's novel eventually was turned into a movie starring Ray
Milland.]
When I was growing up, my slightly older sister told me that she'd
learned in school that the simulation of crowd noises in radio dramas was
achieved by having half the cast say, repetitively, "Walla-Walla," while
the other half would do the same with "Rhubarb." I tried it with her,
and to my young ears, it certainly sounded like there were more than two
of us speaking.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:07:49 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today (Friday) in radio history
From Those Were The Days --
1925 - Bernard McFadden was a physical culturist who had a radio show in
New York City. But not for [removed] McFadden failed to show up for his
daily morning program, causing a young, studio engineer, John Gambling,
to ad-lib on the air for a solid hour. As a result, the radio station
(WOR) decided to give Gambling the morning announcer's job. John
Gambling stayed at WOR for many years, then turned the mic over to his
son, who, finally, turned the program over to his son ... all named
John. Mr. Gambling’s Rambling with Gambling program attracted tri-state
(New York, New Jersey, Connecticut) audiences in record numbers for over
70 years on the 50,000 watt talk-radio powerhouse at 710 AM on your
radio dial from New York each morning.
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:17:47 -0500
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RANGER TRIVIA
The Lone Ranger on that premier episode was played by motion picture
writer/director George Seaton.
[removed] <:-)
A DATE WITH SINATRA
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:18:11 -0500
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: DRAGON EYE RING
In 1940, Jack Armstrong offered as a premium, the Dragon's Eye
[removed]
A mint Dragon Eye Ring will bring about $3000 today. As a 'bit player'
on the show, I was privy to a handful of these, sent to the cast by the
General Mills ad agency, when they offered the premium. I gave them all
[removed] Mary used to say, "OH BROTHER"
[removed] <:-)
A DATE WITH SINATRA
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 19:36:31 -0500
From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: William Shatner on Radio
Hello All:
I'm pretty sure that the future Captain Kirk appeared in Arch Oboler's 1960s
attempt to revive radio drama (the name of the series escapes me for the
moment).
George
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 20:18:24 -0500
From: TedOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Thank You
I just wanted to say thank you to everyone that voted for me to be mentioned
in the book and also to the author, Patrick Picciarelli (Lt., NYPD. ret.).
It is quite an honor for me and I appreciate it very much. I would also like
to thank Hal for his comments. I am very much looking forward to meeting
this gentleman (?) at the Cincinatti convention. Hal I am just kidding (the
gentleman part not the part about meeting you). It is really something for
me to get this kind of support especially when I first started collecting all
of my family and friends thought I was insane. Everyone's attitude was why
would I want to spend time on this when there was television. My thought was
that there was a magic to radio that television has never achieved. It was
also a chance to hear the personalities that had left or retired by that
time. One thing that I must mention. Radio Memories is not just Ted
Davenport. It is many people that help me all of the time. There are just
too many to mention here, but Radio Memories could not be what it is without
each and every one of them. They have, and will always have, my thanks and
appreciation. Again, thank you so much to each and every one of you that
mentioned me. It is greatly appreciated.
Ted Davenport
Radio Memories
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:17:53 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Rhubarb
Spence mentions that it was Red Barber who coined the word rhubarb, but
here is what I got from the word origins web site. Not sure of its
accuracy, though this site usually has well researched information - seems
the word was around prior to Barber's use:
"How did a vegetable become baseball slang for an argument or fight?
It actually comes from radio jargon. During early radio dramas, when the
noise of an angry crowd was needed, actors in the studio would repeatedly
utter the word rhubarb, which provided the appropriate effect. The hubbub
and din of a radio crowd was somehow transferred over to the noise of a
fight or argument. This use is documented as early as 1934.
The use in baseball dates to about 1943. Red Barber, the famed baseball
broadcaster, is often cited as the one who introduced the term to baseball,
and it seems likely that Barber (or perhaps some other broadcaster) relied
on his radio background to come up with the term.
Interestingly, the OED2 also has a cite from 1943 military slang for a
fighter mission to find targets of opportunity to strafe."
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 21:37:55 -0500
From: Tsunami1000@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Papermoon Soundtrack
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Unfortunately, no one has responded to my inquiry for a Papermoon soundtrack
which contained the original 30s sounds from the movie (and obviously from
the original 78 rpm records). So, I would like to inquire again if anyone
has a copy I could obtain. While I am at it, I like all kinds of music from
the 30s, and I seek anyone who may have a substantial collection on tape or
CD. Anyone? Thanks, JIM
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 11:04:13 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in radio history
From Those Were The Days --
1945 - Those Websters debuted on CBS radio. Willard Waterman starred as
George Webster.
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 12:59:45 -0500
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Radio Goes to the Movies
Art Gilmore has been added to the Jack Webb/Dragnet panel for the Radio Goes
to the Movies weekend in May. For details of events, see
[removed]
Barbara
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 13:13:59 -0500
From: ADeTol1@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Shadow's Ring
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Spence writes:
That reminds me that, as a kid, I sent away for and received a "Shadow" ring
that was a white luminous plastic ring ("glows in the dark") on which was set
a dark blue plastic piece, representing a piece of Blue Coal, the program's
sponsor. I had a lot of fun charging up that ring and watching it in the
dark.
But it occurs to me now: What did I send away for that ring? Does anyone
know? Usually I sent 10 cents and a boxtop or a wrapper or a "reasonable
facsimile" or whatever. But I'm sure I didn't get my dad to order a load of
Blue Coal so I could send them a fragment of anthracite. Any ideas?
Spence
The Shadow ring was larger and rougher than the Jack Armstrong Ring.
I think they tried to copy it. It had the shadow on each side of the lump of
coal and he was was wearing a large rimmed hat that had rather sharp edges.
It rubbed on the adjoining fingers and never felt right.
I can't remember what we sent for it. We probably only sent them a letter
with the dime taped to the page with our address. There was no special
purchase or form to send in.
However to join Captaiin Midnite's Secret Squadron, it required going to a
Skelly Gas Station and requesting a special form from the owner. I remember
asking for the form from a rather surly station employee. He was the
exception, for most of the adults treated us kids pretty well in those days.
Andy
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Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 15:18:27 -0500
From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Benny shows 1953
I'm currently listening to the 1953/1954 season of the Benny show myself,
and I don't find it to be bad at all. It's not nearly as spontaneous as
earlier seasons, but that may be in part due to the transcription. Jack
was doing the TV show at that time too, so he was possibly being spread
too thinly. Regardless, he was very proud of his shows, and I think that
is obvious even in the weaker episodes.
PS---The woman singing is Sarah Berner.
rodney.
Past Tense Productions
Carrying Old Radio related films, and Hal Roach shorts, for $7 per tape.
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