Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #27
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Date: 1/18/2004 10:27 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2004 : Issue 27
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Accurate logs on the web              [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  The Littlest Angel                    [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  vintage fillm from cold war era       [ "Scott D. Livingston" <[removed]@comca ]
  Re: [removed]  [ "Larry Cohen" <[removed]@[removed] ]
  Bob Hope                              [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
  Re: Changing CD's                     [ "Larry Cohen" <[removed]@[removed] ]
  Fran Striker                          [ danhughes@[removed] ]
  Cincinnati Convention                 [ "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed] ]
  Trendle villans and Paul Sutton       [ "James Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
  Product Placement                     [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  THE INTEGRATED COMMERCIAL             [ "mike kerezman" <philipmarlowe@cfai ]
  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK               [ "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed] ]
  This week in radio history            [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Re: Product placement                 [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Re: other songs for 'lizbeth.         [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  EVOLUTION OF A NAME                   [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:31:46 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Accurate logs on the web

Zongo wrote:

Well this is a horse of a different color!  I've been reading some of your
articles lately - simply amazing and accurate, may I say.  I loved both the
article on "Have Gun Will Travel," and the one on Edgar Bergen!  I never
new which Disney movies John Dehner worked on.  Really top notch articles.
Where can I find more of your articles or books?
Here is a shortcut to a lot of Mr. Grams articles:
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Mr. Grams, could you or someone else direct me to the most thorough and
accurate logs on line.

You could write a whole thesis about that answer.  To make it short and
sweet, there are literally dozens and dozens of web-sites that list episode
guides and broadcast logs for radio shows.  The validity of the information
varies from site to site and in many cases, from log to log.  Anyone
seriously looking for a definitive source for a radio log specifically
designed toward one particular radio program I highly recommend a book.  Any
book that has been published usually means the author went in-depth in the
subject, made numerous cross-references, had a staff of people look over the
book's contents, and material not available elsewhere is all found under one
cover.  So if you're looking for an episode guide for THE WITCH'S TALE, for
example, you simply contact Dave Siegel and buy his WITCH'S TALE book.  If
you are looking for an episode guide for INFORMATION PLEASE, you simply
contact Ben Ohmart and buy a copy of the book from him.

Now if no one has ever written a book about a particular radio program
you're looking for, then the next reliable source is the internet but then
you'll find discrepancies between the many versions and you'll have to check
the compiler/author and find out where their source of information came
from.  The original scripts? The recordings themselves?

There is a researcher in California who once told me that he purposely fills
in blanks with whatever titles he can make up.  His mentality is that it's
better to have something than nothing.  My opinion is that's wrong.  Very
wrong.  Cause people will take his word as the gospel and that just starts a
chain of inaccurate information that is hard to put down.

It's one thing to list information about OTR on the web, it's another thing
to cease updating or making corrections.  Anyone posting any information on
the web, especially OTR logs, I think, have a responsibility to keep the
material updated and current.  That way mistakes that are caught will be
fixed.  Any web-site that does this on a routine basis should receive a pat
on the back.  And there are sites that update the information every few
months.

To sum it up, anything written about Old-Time Radio is always subject to
corrections.  Any author who says their work is a definitive source and
isn't open-minded to accept updates, corrections, improvements or additional
trivia isn't being honest with themselves or to the people who read their
work.  Even a couple of the articles and logs on the Audio Classics site is
about to be updated.  Most will remain the same but one or two of them will
be getting a couple additional tid-bits added, a few additional articles,
and the one about G-MEN will be going through a revision by late January.

As for a listing of reliable OTR information, that varies from site to site.
  Some places have dozens of logs available with only half of them accurate,
while others only list one or two logs and those are superb.  You really
have to browse the web and see what's out there and use your own judgment.
Martin Grams, Jr. (who just spelled his name correctly)

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:34:27 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Littlest Angel

Kurt Yount mentioned:
Littlest angel on Inner sanctum?  Well, they say you learn something new
every day.  The only version I know is from Family Theater with Lauretta
Young.

Actually, not really.  "The Littlest Angel" was dramatized on THE FAMILY
THEATER twice.   December 21, 1949 and December 27, 1950.  Loretta Young was
the star for both broadcasts, and the story was adapted from the fairy tale
of the same name by Hans Christian Andersen about the birth of Jesus Christ
from the viewpoint of a four-year old angel.

The same script, adapted by Charles Tazewell, was dramatized for syndication
with Loretta Young again playing the lead (with co-star Charles Laughton who
was not featured in the two FAMILY THEATER versions) and the Ken Darby Choir
supplying the musical chorus.

To the best of my knowledge, these are the only three broadcasts to feature
"The Littlest Angel" drama based on the Anderson fable.  There was an
episode of INNER SANCTUM MYSTERY entitled "The Littlest Angel" for December
25, 1945.  Helen Hayes played the lead role (Himan Brown did offer a few
non-horror dramas during the holiday season for a few consecutive years
including Frank Sinatra being plagued by a happy-go-luck Christmas ghost in
one).  The INNER SANCTUM broadcast was an original drama written for INNER
SANCTUM about a woman suspecting her lover (who hasn't returned home yet) of
not making it home for the holidays during a bad snow storm.  An angel
guides her to find her husband, and the angel disappears.  Had nothing to do
with the Anderson fable of the same name.  Just a coincidence.

Martin

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:33:12 -0500
From: "Scott D. Livingston" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  vintage fillm from cold war era

About a year ago some kind soul posted the web address of a site containing
several dozen documentaries from the WWII and cold war era. Such as "Behind
the Mike", "Trucking for Victory" and other shorts. Through  a computer
crash, I lost the downloads and lost the web address and have been unable to
relocate it using Yahoo and Google. If the person who originally posted the
address, or if anyone else might have it I would appreciate getting it
again.
Thanks
Scott

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:33:58 -0500
From: "Larry Cohen" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: [removed]

Well, this might not be as easy as you think, But if you are running Outlook
express as your news reader, you will need to D/L any of the free newsgroup
readers IE: Free agent, Xnews, or power grab. Once you aare running those,
than you would select the newsgroup you want to D/L from ie:
[removed], and than wait to see what people post.
Hope that helped, if you need email me and I'll attempt to help you with any
other questions.

Larry Cohen
in -18 Anchorage, Alaska

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:34:26 -0500
From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bob Hope

I believe that Bob Hope was essentially blind for the last twenty or so
years of his life, though I don't think we ever got a straight story.

Nobody could compliment a costume artist like he did in his movie roles.  A
Playboy interviewer wrote that, though Hope used his writers for his
professional work, he was one heckuva funny guy in just normal conversation.

My favorite quote from him still makes me laugh.   Three years ago, the
President or someone declared a Bob Hope Day.  His comment: "When you're 97,
every day is Bob Hope Day."

M Kinsler

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:34:48 -0500
From: "Larry Cohen" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Changing CD's

Hi Sharon,

In answer to your problem, If you have Nero start smart, switch the start
menu to CD and select Make MP3, put your cd into the drive you want to move
it from, and than hit the Add button, select the drive and than move the
files to the hard drive.

* Please make sure though that you are not doing this to copyrighted
material

Hope this helps

Larry Cohen
Anchorage, Alaska

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 21:17:06 -0500
From: danhughes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Fran Striker

I picked up a Fran Striker book at a flea market last weekend:  The
Secret of Thunder Mountain (A Tom Quest Adventure).

Anyone know anything about this series?  What else did Striker write
besides the Lone Ranger?

And while I'm asking, were Striker's Lone Ranger novels written at about
the same comprehension level as his radio scripts?  Or were they more
"adult" than the radio version?

---Dan

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:56:15 -0500
From: "Bob Burchett" <haradio@[removed];
To: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Cincinnati Convention
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Have Convention mailer ready. Anyone interested
send mailing address. Due to our new hotel we will
have some open dealers tables available.
If you are coming you might make your reservations
early. Last year the hotel was completely full, and
some had to stay at one of the other near by hotels.
[removed] Mention convention when making
your reservation.
The new hotel really worked out well. Larger re-creation
room and dealers room. No one had to stand to see
the re-creations, including me.
Bob Burchett

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Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 22:56:42 -0500
From: "James Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Trendle villans and Paul Sutton

Not only was Paul Sutton busy playing Sergeant Preston, but he was a regular
on The Lone Ranger, almost always as a minor character, but sometimes a
full-fledged bad guy.  One of his best performances can be heard in "Trail
To Danger", Sept. 27, 1946 playing a Mexican bandit.
The "Donna Dianna" Overture by Reznicek was used both as the Challenge of
the Yukon theme and a bridge on the Lone Ranger.  Though used infrequently
in the later years of the Ranger, during the period when only classical cues
could be legally used on the Ranger (c. 1941), it was used heavily.  More on
this topic is available from Reg Jones' marvellous book, "The Mystery of the
Masked Man's Music".

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:13:41 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Product Placement

Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:53:11 -0500
From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];

I couldn't think of any concrete examples.  Do any come to mind for anyone
else?

All the mentions of "Ovaltine" on the Jack Benny Program.  I assume that was
product
placement.  Or did Jack just like Ovaltine so much that he kept mentioning it?

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:14:48 -0500
From: "mike kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  THE INTEGRATED COMMERCIAL

Chirs Holmes wrote:

Wow, total product placement.  I've never heard The Whistler do that before.
It seemed so clumsy compared to today's advertising that it was like hitting
an audio speedbump.

I tried to think of other product placement instances.  Not commercials, but
"casual" mentions of the product as part of the story (besides Johnson's
Wax).  Does Sade ever mention buying or using Crisco?  Does Birdie ever
mention Kraft?  Did Archie, Jughead, and the rest ever make a point of asking
for Swift hotdogs?

I once heard John Dunning (and others) refer to this as an integrated
commercial. I disagree characterizing this as a audio speedbump. I much
prefer a brief subtle reference to endless Commercial [removed] I much prefer
how radio shows could have one sponsor and therefore not have have to plague
the listener with endless commercials disrupting the story as well have on
modern TV. I realize by end of OTR era commercial had become more prenounced
like on SUSPENSE on 1959 episode "Script by Mark Brady"  there are three
commercial breaks. I recently collected the STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION
on DVD. This TV show was one in the early 1990s (1987-1994). These shows are
actually only 45 mins long. That leaves room for 15 mins of commercials. The
original STAR TREK shows in 1960s were exactly 50 mins leaving 10 mins for
commercials. If I do the math on THE NEXT GENERATION thats means your
watching commerical 1/4 of the time in any given hour and that was 10 years
ago. It one reason why I seldon watch TV anymore and gave up on it years
ago.

Birdie did once mention Kraft in an episode but it was kind of outside the
story (that is she did the commercial). Another great example: Richard
Diamond in at least one episode in middle of story said he sat down at his
desk and took out a CAMEL while thinking about the case. This was in show
during CAMEL CIGARETTES sponsorship.

Mike Kerezman
Macomb, OK

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:22:27 -0500
From: "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK

Hi friends

Here is this week's line-up for the week of 1-18-04 on my Olde Tyme Radio
[removed] Featuring Tom Heathwood's "Heritage Radio Theatre," Big John
Matthews and Steve Urbaniak's "The Glowing Dial" and my own "Same Time, Same
Station" broadcasts, being broadcast on demand 24/7 in high quality
streaming RealAudio at [removed]

Past archived broadcasts are also available there.

We look forward to seeing you there!

	Jerry

Here's this week's lineup:

SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges

FIRST FABULOUS FIFTY
Episode 2  10-17-76  "The Second Decade"
Host Bob Hope
Produced by NBC News
Highlights of NBC's first fifty years of broadcasting
Featuring Gene Shallot and Joe Garagiola
Special Material by David Brinkley

THE HINDS HONEY AND ALMOND CREAM PROGRAM
1-10-36
Stars: The Three Aces, Don Lange, John MacKenzie and Harold Keene
Nice example of the popular songs of the period

INFORMATION PLEASE
Episode 39  02-07-39  Guest Panelist: Myron Wallace
HOST: Clifton Fadiman
PANEL: Franklin P. Adams, John Kieran, Oscar Levant
Myron Wallace later changed his name to "Mike Wallace" and is still
broadcasting on CBS every Sunday.

UNITED STATES POSTAL INSPECTOR
Audition Show  2-26-47
STARS: Warren Williams
DIRECTOR/PRODUCER/WRITER: Robert Webster Light
=======================================

HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood

AMOS AND ANDY
NBC    5-25-48    "Andy Wins a Plymouth"

THE WHISTLER
CBS-WEST    10-24-48    "Search For An Unknown"
Stars: Frank Lovejoy and Willard Waterman

BOB & RAY on THE DAVID LETTERMAN SHOW
CBS-TV    David cannot stop laughing
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THE GLOWING DIAL with Big John and Matthews and Steve Urbaniak

It's detective time on The Glowing Dial featuring:

Nightbeat
NBC     8/21/50     # 29  "Stay Of Execution"

I Was A Communist For The [removed]
SYNDICATED     6/3/53     # 59  "The Crossed Heart"

The Lives Of Harry Lime (aka The Third Man)
MUTUAL     5/23/52     # 43  "Murder On The Riviera"

The Adventures Of Sherlock Holmes
MUTUAL     11/2/47     "The Adventure Of The Copper Beeches"

The Whistler
CBS     12/25/49     # 398  "Letter From Cynthia"
====================================

Please feel free to contact me with any questions or requests for upcoming
shows.

            Jerry Haendiges <Jerry@[removed];

  [removed]  The Vintage Radio Place
  Largest source of OTR Logs, Articles and programs on the Net

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:23:27 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  This week in radio history

 From Those Were The Days --

Jan 18 -

1929 - New York Daily Mirror columnist Walter Winchell made his debut on
radio, broadcasting a blend of political commentary and celebrity gossip
to "Mr. and Mrs. [removed]" His quick-jabbing, penetrating manner
became his trademark. And so did his fedora hat.

1937 - CBS introduced listeners to Aunt Jenny's Real Life Stories for
the first time. A complete story was told in five, 15-minute episodes
which aired Monday thru Friday each week. Aunt Jenny was played by Edith
Spencer and later, by Agnes Young. The show continued on radio until
1956 and was sponsored over the years by Spry shortening and Lux soap.
Aunt Jenny's whistling canary, for those of you ready to inquire, was
played by animal imitator, Henry Boyd.

Jan 20 -

1954 - The National Negro Network was formed on this date. Some 40 radio
stations were charter members of the network.

Jan 21 --

1927 - The first opera to be broadcast over a national radio network was
presented in Chicago, IL. Listeners heard selections from Faust.

1946 - The Fat Man debuted on ABC. J. Scott Smart, who played the portly
detective, weighed in at 270 pounds in real life.

Jan 22 -

1956 - Raymond Burr starred as Captain Lee Quince in the Fort Laramie
debut on CBS. The program was said to be in "the Gunsmoke tradition."

Jan 23 -

1937 - In an article published in Literary Digest, Edgar Bergen
mentioned that he made his dummy pal, Charlie McCarthy, the beneficiary
of a $10,000 trust fund to keep him in serviceable condition and repair.

Jan 24 -

1930 - Ben Bernie (Benjamin Anzelwitz) began a weekly remote broadcast
from the lovely Roosevelt Hotel in NYC.

1942 - Abie's Irish Rose was first heard on NBC this day replacing
Knickerbocker Playhouse. The program was based on the smash play from
Broadway that ran for nearly 2,000 performances. Sydney Smith played the
part of Abie. Rosemary Murphy was played by Betty Winkler.

Joe

--
Visit my slightly updated (1/1/04) homepage:
[removed]~[removed]

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:23:54 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Product placement

 chris holm, in discussing product placement within a shows dialogue,
[removed]

Did Archie, Jughead, and the rest ever make a point of asking for Swift
hotdogs?

To be perfectly honest, Chris, I'm a little fuzzy on that point. I seem to
recall "Mom" Andrews saying she'd make us some Swift Hotdogs for lunch. And
like other programs, commercials for Swift and/or Kraft were sometimes
integrated into the story. Bob Sherry would "drop by" the Andrews home and
have a conversation with one of the cast members while extolling the
wonderful qualities of the products. I also recall, when we were on Prime
time briefly for Kraft, Jughead was telling the announcer how much he liked
Kraft Malted milkshakes.

There could well have been more insidious product placement, Chris, but I
just don't remember. Or I would have mentioned it in my book.

"He! He!. :)   How's that for product placement in a conversation.

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:24:21 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: other songs for 'lizbeth.

Hi Roxy:

If you liked to play (on your "Victrola") "Does Your Chewing Gum Lose Its
Flavor on the Bedpost Overnight?", how about these other two classics that
came out on a 45.

"If I had a nose full of nickel's, I'd blow them all at-choo"

and on the flip side, the ever [removed]

"June-don't July to me".

Honest, I'm not kidding. Real titles of songs written by a NY Cab Driver,
who came to me one day plugging them. Ya had to have been there.

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:24:31 -0500
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  EVOLUTION OF A NAME

Victrola
Record Player
Turntable
Hi Fi
Stereo
obscurity

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