Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #275
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 7/14/2003 9:49 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 275
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  "To the Founder of the Feast!"        [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  Hudson & Landry                       [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
  What Is It?                           [ "William Schell" <bschell@[removed] ]
  Broadcast Words at War                [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  Offensive Racial Slurs                [ ilamfan@[removed] ]
  WWII, Racism and the Pacific Theater  [ "Dennis Mansker" <dennis@[removed] ]
  "New" Scarlet Queen episode           [ "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed]; ]
  Anti-Japanese WWII Propaganda         [ "Harry Machin Jr" <harbev5@earthlin ]
  Re: 16 2/3 RPM                        [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  wartime propaganda, present lies      [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Rinso still available!                [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
  1930s Obscurities                     [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
  Births and deaths w/e 7-19            [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  War of the Worlds                     [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Bias Cut                              [ JimBourg@[removed] ]
  Re: recommendation                    [ [removed]@[removed] ]

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 20:11:47 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "To the Founder of the Feast!"

 From: "steven kostelecky" <skostelecky@[removed];
 Subject:  Charlie's work

Just wanted to acknowledge the incredible ordeal Charlie had to go through
to get the Nostalgia Pages back online and continue the OTR Digest. ... It is
appreciated.

  A big "hear, hear!" from this corner. The Master of the Arcane Arts of
Cyberspace
  put a LOT into this site last week, and we all benefit. (And in addition,
as you non-  Right-Coasters may not know, Master Chas. is one of the pillers
of FOTR).
  Thanks again!
  Best,
  -Craig Wichman
  Quicksilver Radio Theater

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:12:37 -0400
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Hudson & Landry

I did a Google search for "Ajax Liquor Store" and got this result (among
others):
I haven't checked it out, but this site might provide some more info.

[removed]

Hudson & Landry
... They were a match made in heaven creating some of the funniest comedy-team
bits in history, including the classic "Ajax Liquor Store". ...

Herb Harrison

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:26:30 -0400
From: "William Schell" <bschell@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  What Is It?

A big thatnks to Tom Wesley.  Once he mentioned the Red Blanchard Show, the
old memory kicked in.  That was it.  I used to listen with a small Philco
table radio in Redondo Beach, Ca.  Reception was pretty good until my
parents turned on their 16 inch Mercury television and then I had to listen
through all sorts of squeeks and swawks.
Bill Schell

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:53:33 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Broadcast Words at War

The debate on verbal etiquette during the last World War has been interesting
in many ways - but we haven't heard at all from the Other Side.
As the Allies were fighting a battle for survival as independent states, and
had not been the instigators of conflict, my sense is that much racist
expression on their part fell to the level of, to use a theological analogy,
a sin of omission rather than commission.
However, the Axis nations had as a plainly stated goal the subjugation and/or
destruction of what they explicitly considered mongrel races. I would like
very much to hear from any experts on the list (I know of a member familiar
with Third Reich radio) what kind of broadly humanistic statements the
dramatists on THAT side of the fence were broadcasting throughout the war. My
guess would be that any German or Japanese "Corwins" had long since died in
Concentration or Slave Labor [removed]
As one born in 1958, I defer also to folks who lived through the era. Much as
one human being may try to empathise with another's pain, it's not the same
as living it.
The Present can tend to belittle the suffering of the Past, and as Abe
Lincoln said, "I pity the man who doesn't feel the stroke of the lash, just
because it happens to land on another fellow's back."
Best,
Craig Wichman

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:53:49 -0400
From: ilamfan@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed] (OTR Bulletin Board)
Subject:  Offensive Racial Slurs

     I guess that I can appreciate the discussion of late about offensive
racial slurs - those of us listening to OTR certainly run into quite a bit of
it in these shows, produced in less enlightened times and propaganda-filled
wartimes.  But my question is: are any of us OTR listeners actually offended?
I
expect that someone not familiar with OTR might be taken aback by what they
hear (as I was, when I began listening), but the rest of us who know OTR, take
it all in stride, right?  It's a part of the hobby, a slice of history, a
quaint ignorance, a nervous laugh.
     Not to make (extreme) light of it, but seriously, are any of us in the
hobby truly OFFENDED by this stuff?

Stephen Jansen
--
Old Time Radio never dies - it
just changes formats!

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Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 21:53:56 -0400
From: "Dennis Mansker" <dennis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  WWII, Racism and the Pacific Theater

Allow me to recommend the book War Without Mercy, by John W. Dower. It is a
no-holds-barred look at racism on both sides of the conflict, racism that
allowed the war to continue way beyond the point where it was evident to all
sides that it was unwinnable by the Empire of Japan.
I highly recommend it to those who are actively involved in the current
discussion of racist terminology in WWII. You will come away with a
different perspective, I believe, after you have read this book.
It's available on [removed], of course, and your local bookstore will be
able to order one for you if they don't have it in stock.

Dennis Mansker

The Mansker Chronicles: [removed]
Chairborne Ranger, featuring A Bad Attitude: A Novel from the Vietnam War:
[removed]

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:56:39 -0400
From: "Doug Leary" <doug@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  "New" Scarlet Queen episode

Fans of Voyage of the Scarlet Queen might be pleased to learn of a
previously unlisted episode called "King Ascot and the Maid in Waiting." I
don't have any books with logs of the series, and Jerry Haendiges log is the
only place I have seen it listed online:

[removed]

Incidentally, Jerry H has been doing audio restoration on the entire Scarlet
Queen series, and judging from the 2 episodes I have listened to he has done
a *fantastic* job. The sound is rich and full, not just "cleaned up" by
taking out hiss and pops. I highly recommend it and thank Jerry for his high
quality work. Now all I have to do is convince my wife to let me buy the
rest of the series to replace my pale-by-comparison copies.

Doug Leary
Seattle

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:57:19 -0400
From: "Harry Machin Jr" <harbev5@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Anti-Japanese WWII Propaganda

Donna Byrd's posting about the "inhuman" actions of our WWII
enemy brought back a clear memory of reading anti-Japanese propaganda during
that war.  I remember specifically a small yellow
booklet printed with the intent of getting Americans to know our
enemy.  The booklet's cover showed a Japanese soldier who had
speared a baby with his bayonet and held his victim up high.  Our
wartime movies portrayed Japanese soldiers as inhuman, while our own
servicemen never deliberately slaughtered helpless enemy soldiers, such as
prisoners of war, or raped German or Japanese [removed]  And yet a close
soldier relative told me that in his own experience, American soldiers often
shot numbers of German prisoners rather than take the trouble to take them
behind the lines to confinement centers, and rapes occurred too.  It wasn't
until the
remarkable television series "Band of Brothers" that I saw an American
soldier shown shooting prisoners of war without any reprimand. There are
many reasons for men in combat, no matter their origins, to "lose their
humanity" and "race" isn't the only one.
Sorry if this sounds like a sermon, although I guess it is.

Harry Machin, Jr.
harbev5@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:58:01 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: 16 2/3 RPM

Kurt E. Yount asked whether the 16 2/3 RPM speed was "ever used in radio
for anything? I know about the use of this speed by the blind, but was it
used in radio, or was it too poor a quality?"

You are right about the slower speeds having a poor sound quality.  In
general in any type of analogue recording, the slower the surface speed the
worse the sound quality. So anything slower than 33 1/3 was not used for
broadcasting purposes, but slower speeds were occasionally used for making
logging recordings for reference or legal purposes, but not meant to be of
broadcast quality.  One example was the Memovox system which used large
floppy 16-inch plastic discs that had a variable rotation speed but a
constant linear speed.  They ran at 33 1/3 when recording at the inner
center, but gradually slowed down to about 16 2/3 when at the outer rim.
They used a groove size that was much finer than microgroove, and thus they
are very difficult to play.  They could get an hour on each side.

Theodore Edison was experimenting with slow speed broadcast recordings in
the late 1920s.  There is one test pressing that seems to be around 12 RPM,
and another around 15.  Although the system was never introduced, he
decided on 30 RPM with a grooving of 300 lines per inch.  This was a much
more sensible system than what we really used because 30 RPM would mean
that each rotation of the disc would be exactly two seconds.  Couple this
with a standardized grooving of 300 per inch, this would mean that the arm
would move exactly an inch per ten minutes, or 1/10 inch per minute.  This
allowed for an accurately calibrated micrometer dial on the tone arm to
allow for accurate cueing.

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:58:45 -0400
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  wartime propaganda, present lies

Talk about racism!
Doug Leary said, about a website where he read an article that supposedly
describes "racist" British anti-Axis propaganda:

Disclaimer: the website seems to lean heavily toward revisionism and
questioning established views of
history, and I can't vouch for the organization itself.

I clicked on the site. It's the online home of the
Institute for Historical Review, a group that is best known for its denial
that the Holocaust ever happened, and other anti-Jewish diatribes presented
as "fact". I would take anything they say with at least a 50-pound bag of salt.

(Note: I assume that Doug did not read any of the other articles on the
site; otherwise he wouldn't have posted without checking this "source".)

Herb Harrison

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:58:53 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

 From Those Were The Days --

1957 - Funnyman Stan Freberg debuted a new weekly comedy program on CBS
beginning this night. The Freberg show only lasted a short time and that
newfangled contraption, television, was blamed for the show's quick demise.

Joe

--
Visit my homepage: [removed]

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:59:04 -0400
From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Rinso still available!

I was just wondering if Rinso was still available and I heard a
commercial on KIIS this morning.  I was surprised.  I wonder if it works
as good as they say?  Kurt

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 09:59:28 -0400
From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  1930s Obscurities

In Issue 272, Elizabeth McLeod wrote of Radio Transcription Company of
America Ltd as the source of the 'Obscurities'.

It would be interesting to know if the broadcasts of those shows in
Australia were rebroadcasting of the [removed] shows or if Australians rewrote/re
enacted from [removed] scripts.  Grace Gibson worked at Radio Transcription
Company of America Ltd until the mid 1930's when she was invited to
Australia by [removed] Bennett, the Manager of Sydney's 2GB.  She later became
Manager of Radio Transcription Company of America Ltd before coming out to
Australia in 1944 and later starting Grace Gibson Productions.   Certainly
access to the Transcriptions and scripts of Transco would have been no
problem :)

Ian Grieve

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:00:09 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Births and deaths w/e 7-19

July 15th birth

07-15-1897 - Howard Lanin - Philadelphia, PA - d. 4-26-1991
bandleader: "Ipana Troubadors"; "Benrus Ticksters"

July 15th deaths

01-23-1923 - Florence Halop - Jamaica Estates, NY - d. 7-15-1986
actress: Hotbreath Houlihan "Jimmy Durante Show"; Miss Duffy "Duffy"s Tavern"
02-02-1899 - Benny Rubin - Boston, MA - d. 7-15-1986
comedian: Tout "Jack Benny Program"
07-08-1913 - Bill Thompson - Terre Haute, IN - d. 7-15-1971
actor: Wallace Wimple, Horatio K Boomer and others "Fibber McGee and Molly"
11-16-1896 - Lawrence Tibbett - Bakersfield, CA - d. 7-15-1960
singer: "Voice of Firestone"; "Your Hit Parade"; "Golden Voices"

July 16th births

07-16-1882 - Charles Egelston - Covington, KY - d. 10-31-1958
actor: Shuffle Shober "Ma Perkins"; Humphrey Fuller "Just Plain Bill"
07-16-1887 - Floyd Gibbons - Washington, [removed] - d. 9-24-1939
commentator: "Headline Hunter"; "World Adventures"; "Nash Program"
07-16-1907 - Barbara Stanwyck - Brooklyn, NY - d. 1-20-1990
actress: "Prudential Family Hour of Stars"; "This Is My Story"
07-16-1907 - Ned Calmer - Chicago, IL - d. 3-9-1986
news analyst: "World News Roundup"
07-16-1908 - Frank Singiser - Montevideo, MN - d. 5-28-1982
newscaster: "Mutual News"
07-16-1911 - Ginger Rogers - Independence, MO - d. 4-25-1995
actress: "The Star and the Story"; "Packard Hour"; "Lux Radio Theatre"

July 16th deaths

01-16-1910 - Dwight Weist - Palo Alto, CA - d. 7-16-1991
actor: Mr. District Attorney "Mr. District Attorney"; Stan Burton "Second
Mrs. Burton"
02-18-1901 - Wayne King - Savannah, IL - d. 7-16-1985
bandleader: (The Waltz King) "Lady Esther Serenade"
07-12-1884 - Edgar Stehli - Lyons, France - d. 7-16-1973
actor: Dr. Huer "Buck Rogers in the 25th Century"; Rex A. Starr "It"s Murder"
09-01-1902 - John J. Anthony - NYC - d. 7-16-1970
moderator: "Good Will Hour"; "John J. Anthony Hour"
10-23-1904 - Margaret Speaks - Columbus, OH - d. 7-16-1977
singer: "Voice of Firestone"

July 17th births

07-17-1889 - Erle Stanley Gardner - Malden, MA - d. 3-11-1970
creator, writer: "Advs. of Christopher London"; "Perry Mason"; "A Life in
Your Hands"
07-17-1899 - James Cagney - NYC - d. 3-30-1986
actor: "Arch Obler"s Plays"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
07-17-1905 - William Gargan - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-16-1979
actor: Martin Kane "Martin Kane, Private Eye"; Barrie Craig "Barrie Craig,
Private Investigator"
07-17-1912 - Art Linkletter - Saskatchewan, Canada
emcee: "People Are Funny"; "House Party"
07-17-1914 - Eleanor Steber - Wheeling, WV - d. 10-3-1990
singer: "Voice of Firestone"; "[removed] Fox Trappers"
07-17-1915 - Cass Daley - Philadelphia, PA - d. 3-22-1975
comedienne: "New Fitch Bandwagon"; "Cass Daley Show"; "Maxwell House Coffee
Time"
07-17-1917 - Lou Boudreau - Harvey, IL - d. 8-10-2001
sportscaster: Chicago Cubs

July 17th deaths

01-16-1911 - Jay Hanna "Dizzy" Dean - Lucas, AR - d. 7-17-1974
baseball broadcaster: (Baseball Hall of Fame) "Game of the Day"
04-07-1915 - Billie Holliday - d. 7-17-1959
singer: "Artie Shaw Band"
06-14-1895 - Cliff "Ukulele Ike" Edwards - Hannibal, MO - d. 7-17-1971
singer: Jiminy Cricket "Fun and Fancy Free"; "Cliff Edwards, Ukulele Ike"

July 18th births

07-18-1891 - Gene Lockhart - Ontario, Canada - d. 3-21-1957
actor: "The Nebbs"; "The Doctor Fights"; "Abroad with the Lockharts"
07-18-1893 - Richard Dix - St. Paul, MN - d. 9-20-1949
actor: "The Eveready Hour"
07-18-1901 - Rudy Vallee - Island Pond, VT (R: Westbrook, ME) - d. 7-3-1986
singer, bandleader, emcee: (The Vagabond Lover) "Fleischmann Hour"; Rudy
Vallee Show"
07-18-1908 - Lupe Velez - San Luis Potosi, Mexico - d. 12-14-1944
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "The Speed Show"
07-18-1911 - Hume Cronyn - London, Ontario, Canada - d. 6-15-2003
actor: Ben Marriott "The Marriage"
07-18-1912 - Harriet Nelson - Des Moines, IA - d. 10-2-1994
actress: Daisy June "Red Skelton Show"; "Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet"
07-18-1913 - Marvin Miller - St. Louis, MO - d. 2-8-1985
actor: Ben Lyon "Jeff Regan, Investigator"; Gil Whitney "Romance of Helen
Trent"
07-18-1913 - Red Skelton - Vincennes, IN - d. 9-17-1997
comedian: "Avalon Time"; "Red Skelton Show"
07-18-1918 - Jane Frazee - Duluth, MN - d. 9-6-1985
vaudeville act with sister
07-18-1920 - Charlie McCarthy - Chicago, IL - d. 9-30-1978
dummy: "Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy Show"
07-18-1927 - Kurt Masur - Brieg, Germany
conductor: New York Philharmonic

No July 18th deaths

July 19th births

07-19-1889 - Max Fleischer - Vienna, Austria - d. 9-11-1972
cartoonist: "Popeye the Sailor"
07-19-1914 - Lou Krugman - Passaic, NJ - d. 8-8-1992
actor: Tony Griffin "Romance of Helen Trent"; Ulysses Hink "Dear Mom";
"Gunsmoke"

July 19th deaths

02-20-1909 - Barry Wood - New Haven, CT - d. 7-19-1970
singer, host: "Million-Dollar Band"; "Your Hit Parade"
03-31-1928 - Lefty Frizzell - Corsicana, TX - d. 7-19-1975
singer: "Grand Ole Opry"; "Louisana Hayride"; "Big D Jamboree"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn and Jay Jostyn

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:28:20 -0400
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  War of the Worlds

Kurt Yount commented:

I have been listening to a number of Orsen Welles shows from the Mercury
Theater and the Campbell Playhouse.  War of the Worlds is different in
that the name of the story is given at the very beginning of the show,
not having to listen to the theme first.  This stands out to me.  Also,
in the Welles story teller show it says that the end was ad libbed by
Welles not written originally because of the panic caused by the show.
Anyway, I just thought this was interesting and different in this
particular show.  Kurt

Kurt is right.  There are certain aspects of the program that validate
rumors such as the cast being notified in the studio about the panic
broadcast, before the broadcst is even over.  Apparently the stories Welles
was informed of must have been awful, because he joked that the broadcast
was merely intended as a form of Halloween prank and in the process,
"uterally destroyed the Columbia Broadcasting System."  Too many rumors have
been written over the years and with each new biography about Orson Welles
(as if we really need another considering how many books have already been
written about him) there are new fantastic stories - some of which I take to
light.  One recent biography actually described John Houseman firing a
member of the staff for eating a "Mars" candy bar on the same week as the
broadcast - yeah, right.  If anyone sits and listens to the broadcast a
number of times, they will catch a few oddities that validates some rumors,
but adds only more.

I've heard the recording a dozen times now and I am still surprised to see
how many inaccurate facts were given during the broadcast - including the
point that during the show's production, the October date changed from one
day to another!
Martin

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:28:41 -0400
From: JimBourg@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bias Cut
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(extra points will be awarded to any of you boys out there who know what
"bias cut" means.)

Means the fabric has been cut on the bias or diagonal.

Jim

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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:38:58 -0400
From: [removed]@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: recommendation
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Just bought a new car with a 6 cd changer; I have no desire to replace the
cd player with an aftermarket cd-mp3 player as I did with my old car.

Do any of the hard drive mp3 players (ARCHOS jukebox, IPOD, Neuros HD)
allow for the following:

Pick up the show where you left off when you shut it down
An easy way to get the unit to use the car's speakers w/o fidelity loss?
Non-skip when you go over a bump?

Any other recommendations would be welcome

Thanks

Gary

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