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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2003 : Issue 423
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
another hermit's cave episode [ "Barth Wysong" <stargazerbw@excite. ]
JFK, Oswald, Ruby ; KMRY [ Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed]; ]
Re: Cinnamon Bear [ Timothy Clough <timothy@[removed]; ]
Elspeth Eric [ dougdouglass@[removed] (doug dougla ]
RE: 11-15 births/deaths [ [removed]@[removed] ]
Tom Heathwood and WTTP [ smzmurphy@[removed] ]
Re: contest update [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Norman Corwin: biography [ howard blue <khovard@[removed]; ]
and Corwin letters [ benohmart@[removed] ]
Re: Norman Corwin book [ "Jim Widner" <widnerj@[removed]; ]
11-25 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Norman Corwin and Radio [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
I want to crow about something (not [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
Kinescopes [ BH <radioguy@[removed]; ]
A Familiar Phrase? [ "Paul M. Thompson" <beachcomber@com ]
Out of the past [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:46:15 -0500
From: "Barth Wysong" <stargazerbw@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: another hermit's cave episode
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I have an episode of Hermit's Cave entitled: "You Died Last Night." The
recording is not too great, background music from the show drowns out the
dialogue in spots. Barth
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:48:49 -0500
From: Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: JFK, Oswald, Ruby ; KMRY
This morning, Monday 24 November 2003, the CBS Radio World News Roundup
(Camie McCormick was sitting in for Christopher Glenn), was going to
play a clip of the 40th anniversary of the news report of Lee Harvey
Oswald being shot and killed by Jacob "Jack Ruby" Rubenstein in the
basement garage of the Dallas City jail as he was being transferred to
County Jail.
She was going to switch to the news clip, and all you heard was the
tagline ".... CBS News, Dallas".
She then said that they would return to that clip, momentarily, and she
went on to another recorded news clip.
Then she said that they had that Dallas report readied. Instead of the
clip regarding the 40th anniversary of Oswald being shot by Ruby on Sunday
24 November 1963, it was a *REPEAT* of the clip that they played this past
Friday, 21 November 2003 regarding the 40th anniversary of JFK being shot
as his motorcade passed by the Texas Schoolbook Depository, forty years
ago on Friday 22 November 1963.
BTW, on that Sunday 24 November 1963, on the CBS *Television* Network,
Harry Reasoner was still winding up one of his own produced tributes to
JFK when Oswald was being transferred to County Jail, and then shot and
killed by Ruby. There was a camera as well as CBS Newsman Nelson Benton
reporting from the basement garage of Dallas City Jail, and it was
videotaped at either KRLD-TV facilities (the CBS-TV affiliate in Dallas),
or maybe even fed on the AT&T co-ax back to CBS-TV news HQ in New York
City (was that still at 485 Madison back then? I know that CBS didn't
move everything over to 524 [removed] Street and corporate/offices to "Black
Rock" at 51 [removed] Street until around 1965 or so)... where the Oswald
(and now including Ruby) coverage could have been taped at CBS' New York
facility. They *did* air the tape of the incident of Oswald being shot
by Ruby.
NBC-TV did carry the incident with Oswald, *LIVE*.
I don't know offhand what ABC-TV, CBS Radio, NBC Radio/Monitor, Mutual
Radio or ABC Radio did at that moment though, but probably they too were
carrying it *live* as it happened.
*AUDIO* of a lot of this radio and TV coverage can be heard at Jeff
Miller's website of radio/TV history including numerous news-sounds files:
[removed]
Also, one of our regulars here at OTR Digest emailed me about current
programming (including the WNR) on the *real* CBS RAD))|((O NETWORK, and
how he can't even get a "real" CBS Radio affiliate in his market.
(by "REAL" CBS Radio, we mean what still brands itself CBS, and not Mutual
or NBC-Radio-News, or Westwood/Infinity, etc).
I emailed him back that while WWL-870/WSMB-1350 (co-owned) here in New
Orleans are the CBS Radio affiliates (and sometimes the other co-owned
stations of Entercom might carry CBS feeds or updates), I have been
listening to KMRY-1450 Cedar Rapids IOWA streamed thru the Internet (in
Windows Media Player) at:
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which carries CBS Radio hourly news and other features/sports updates from
the "original" CBS RAD))|((O NETWORK. KMRY-1450 also runs local nostalgic
and oldies adult pop music, not just lite-rock "oldies" of the 70s-90s,
but also BIG BAND and standards/vocals of the 30s-50s. They have local DJs
in morning/afternoon drive, [removed]
KMRY also switches over to ABC/Stardust in Dallas most of the rest of the
time (although they also carry some syndicated music programs on
weekends).
Joe Lacina and Eddie Hubbard are *still* with ABC-Stardust (Dallas) but
only on Saturday and Sunday evenings, as they are "semi-retired". Bud
Bouchard (sp?) and Scott Reese are mostly doing the weekday daytime hours
that Lacina and Hubbard used to have.
KMRY also runs Amari/Freeberg's/Radio-Sprits "When Radio Was", M-F nights
right after the 11-11:06pm (CT) CBS Radio newscast, from 11:06-Midnight
(Central).
And there are some weekend satellite "handyman" type call-in talkshows as
well.
But it *IS* nice to hear nostalgic music, CBS Radio hourly newscasts,
and ABC-Stardust, When Radio Was, etc. all on one station, KMRY, which is
still *LOCALLY OWNED*. I only wish that they might be able to "claim"
Paul Harvey as well, since they *DO* carry ABC-Stardust/Dallas as well. I
don't know if Cedar Rapids IA also has an ABC/Paul Harvey station though.
BTW, you can see pics of the various current CBS Radio hourly news anchors
at KMRY's website, including the two ladies, Camie McCormick and Cynthia
Weber -- I do miss hearing Stephani Shelton and Rita Sands from the 1970s
era though -- and there are pics of the two anchors that came over from
Mutual/NBC-Radio who are now part of the overall CBS/Westwood "family",
Sam Litzinger and Peter [removed] all at:
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KRMY's website is best viewed in MS-IE. (I prefer Netscape [removed] but their
site usually crashes Netscape [removed]).
Mark J. Cuccia
mcuccia@[removed]
New Orleans LA CSA
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:25:28 -0500
From: Timothy Clough <timothy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Cinnamon Bear
Please listen to the 26 installments (15 minutes apiece), which were
recorded in 1937 and which feature old time radio personalities you will
all be able to name. The show is designed to be played beginning the day
after Thanksgiving and continuing through Christmas Eve.
How do people listen to Cinnamon Bear when there are more than 26 days
between Thanksgiving and Christmas, such as this year (27 days)?
Timothy Clough
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:25:36 -0500
From: dougdouglass@[removed] (doug douglass)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Elspeth Eric
Joe Mackey's November 21 Radio History mentioned "Central City" starring
Elpseth debuted in 1938. Is she still with us?
Doug Douglass
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:26:17 -0500
From: [removed]@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: 11-15 births/deaths
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I noticed, sadly, an omission in the listing for Lionel Barrymore, who
passed away on 11-15-54. Just as Charles Dickens created Mr. Micawber with
[removed] Fields in mind, he obviously created Ebeneezer Scrooge with Lionel
Barrymore in mind. Each Christmas season, Barrymore was the quintessential
Scrooge on a radio performance of Dickens' "Christmas Carol." When I finally
began to see the many movie versions, not Alistair Sim, nor Reginald Owen,
nor even Patrick Stewart, could ever hold a candle to the old man in his
wheelchair, projecting the voice of the real Scrooge over the radio for so
many years. It was gratifiying, just a few years ago, to find various of the
shows being broadcast on OTR shows. Both Barrymore and the KNX Drama Hour
(where I believe I last heard "Christmas Carol") will continue to be missed
for many years to come.
BTW, I wish to thank the many list members who answered my A & C query about
Poko Moko, both on and off the list, with the immortal "Lost in a Harem."
[removed] Druian
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:26:24 -0500
From: smzmurphy@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Tom Heathwood and WTTP
Tom Heathwood mentioned his old radio program on WTTP in Boston. Boy, that
takes me back! I used to listen to his show every day that I could. I
remember rushing home to hear it and even tape the shows when my limited
finances allowed me the luxury of blank tapes. I still have some of those
tapes in my collection.
Along with Van Cristo (who also had a show in Boston) and WEEI's nightly
airings of the CBS RADIO MYSTERY THEATER, Tom Heathwood was a great part of
my introduction to OTR -- a wonderful hobby which has lasted to this day. I
still have a tape of the Mercury Theater's presentation of "Dracula" that I
won in a contest on Tom's show for identifying (if memory serves) the theme
to I LOVE LUCY.
Mr. Heathwood, a very belated and heartfelt thank you.
Mike Murphy
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:27:51 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: contest update
First, some good news, then some bad news:
The "good" news, (for those who really care about winning a "valuable"
prize), is that we do not have a winner yet.
The "Bad" news is that it has come to my attention that it is possible to
cheat regarding the "Earliest correct answer wins" part of the contest
rules. What evil lurks in the hearts of hackers????
I just received the following
You realize of course that computers can be programed to enter any time and
date you want on email.
How's about this one which answers your question before it was [removed]
The above message was dated November 22, 1980.
I hope he screwed up his computer now, and can't get back to today's date.
:)
I don't know about you people.
OK! Here's the current status. So far, the independent auditing firm of
Gotcha and Greedy have received 18 entries.
AND ALL BUT TWO DIDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO THE CORRECT ANSWER.
Maybe I need to give more clues. It's obvious that you folks know all there
is to know about OTR, but a contest about TV history is out of place here.
Can't say I blame you. It's a dumb contest anyway. :)
Do I need to repeat the Contest question?
"In the early days of Videotape recording, making a film copy of a videotape
commercial was necessary for distribution purposes, seeing as how many TV
stations in the smaller markets were slow to purchase the expensive early 2
inch Videotape machines.
But this practice continued right on up into the 80's and beyond, when
practically all TV stations were equipped with Videotape machines by then.
What was the other major reasons why TV commercials that were shot on
Videotape had to be transferred to 16mm film ????????????
Contest rules require your entry be limited to 4 words or less.
OK, here's the next set of clues.
Based on entries received so far, here's a sampling of incorrect answers,
many of them duplicated.
"The Unions"
"to cut into film shows"
"Conversion to PAL format" (very [removed] wrong)
"For Copyright"
"To make editing easier" (Au Contraire)
"to show in movie theatres" (That's 5 words!!! But wrong anyway)
"Cheaper"
Like I say, some others came close, and I did not include them in the above
answers. If I had, that would make things too easy. and the answer too
obvious.
Final clue. fill in the blanks.
The Dreaded __________ __________.
Get creative. :)
Hal(Harlan)Stone
JUGHEAD
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:30:42 -0500
From: howard blue <khovard@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Norman Corwin: biography
When I interviewed Norman Corwin in the 1990s for my book, WORDS
AT WAR, he told me that he would like to do an autobiography--but was too
busy to get started. Bannerman's book* is a wonderful survey of Norman's
work and provides important biographical information. But clearly a full
biography is called for.
In the meantime, WORDS AT WAR features the fullest discussion in
print of Norman's wartime work--including a four-page profile of him and
a 17 page chapter describing his four network shows, "WE HOLD THESE
TRUTHS" and "THIS IS WAR." WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS" was broadcast very
shortly after the attack on Pearl Harbor and the series "THIS IS WAR" was
aired early in 1942. The book also analyzes Corwin's work in relation to
Arch Oboler's.
Anyone interested in getting a copy (at a reduced price) in time
for Christmas should contact me off-line or see my website
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Howard Blue
*The hardback version is called "Norman Corwin and Radio: The Golden
Years;" the paperback version is called "On a Note of Triumph: Norman
Corwin and the Golden Years of Radio"
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:12:04 -0500
From: benohmart@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: and Corwin letters
And don't forget the thick hardback of Norwin Corwin's Letters which is pretty easy to
find these days. Great radio history there, and he seems to write to everyone.
Ben
The Walter Tetley book
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:35:19 -0500
From: "Jim Widner" <widnerj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Norman Corwin book
George Aust asks:
I believe that I am the interested party that you are refering to. But
what is interesting is that my book, and I am looking at as I write this,
is called "Norman Corwin and Radio: The Golden Years" It is by Leroy
Bannerman with Foreword by Erik Barnow. It is a hardcover book and shows
a publish date of 1986 by The University of Alabama Press. ... Is it the
same book? If it is why the difference in titles?
Yes, it is the same book. As I mentioned in an earlier digest, I left
off the "On a Note of Triumph" because it is not officially part of the
title. It is listed at the top of the book, but on the inside leaves,
it is not part of the title as I recall.
But that is the same book I have, and all of Corwin's radio programs
are listed in the appendix.
Jim Widner
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Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:54:47 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 11-25 births/deaths
November 25th births
11-25-1905 - Will Osborne - Toronto, Canada - d. 10-22-1981
bandleader, singer: "Abbott and Costello"
11-25-1914 - Joe DiMaggio - Martinez, CA - d. 3-8-1999
baseball superstar: "Joe DiMaggio Show"
11-25-1916 - Peg Lynch - Lincoln, NE
writer, actress: Ethel Arbuckle "Ethel and Albert"; "Couple Next Door"
11-25-1920 - Ricardo Montalban - Mexico City, Mexico
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "As Easy as [removed]"
11-25-1925 - Jeffrey Hunter - New Orleans. LA - d. 5-27-1969
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
Noveber 25th deaths
04-29-1912 - Richard Carlson - Albert Lea, MN - d. 11-25-1977
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
06-16-1907 - Jack Albertson - Lynn, MA - d. 11-25-1981
actor: Grouch "Grouch Club"; "Milton Berle Show"
08-28-1895 - H. Norman Schwarzkopf - Newark, NJ - d. 11-25-1958
narrator: "Gangbusters"
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:22:39 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Norman Corwin and Radio
George Aust remarked:
I believe that I am the interested party that you are refering to. But what
is interesting is that my book, and I am looking at as I write this, is
called "Norman Corwin and Radio: The Golden Years" It is by Leroy Bannerman
with Foreword by Erik Barnow. It is a hardcover book and shows a publish
date of 1986 by The University of Alabama Press. There is no previous
publish date shown. There is no mention of "On a Note of Triumph" in the
title on the cover or inside the book. Is it the same book? If it is why
the difference in titles? Just wondering!
Just took a look and yep, same book. Mine is paperback and published
through the Carol Publishing Group. According to the copyright page, it's
copyrighted 1986 The University of Alabama Press (c) 1986 but no other
mention. I assume the paperback was released through Carol later. Why the
change in title I don't know. But I guess this solves that mystery - thanks
George - see? I learn something new every day. Incidentally, anyone who
has been reading this . . . the book is a wonderful book about Norman
Corwin. Worth checking out.
Martin
by service area.)
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:22:49 -0500
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: I want to crow about something (not Hal
Stone)
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So here's a philosophical question for y'[removed]
I'm looking for something to watch while I eat lunch on Sunday, and I notice
that the last half hour of Dumbo is on Disney. OK, that's late enough to be
beyond the super, super sad scene. And I haven't seen it in a long time.
Come
in right at the Pink Elephants number. Great fun.
This is followed by a scene where five black crows (not to be confused with
Moran and Mack) laugh at Dumbo and timothy up in a tree. The scene gives rise
to "When I See and Elephant Fly" and culminates in Dumbo finding his talent
with the help of a magic feather.
Here's what struck [removed] crows are pure dialect 1930-40s African
Americans. (Not an actual quote, but very much in the spirit) "Shoo-wee
boss, I sho
nevah did see no elephant up in no tree befoah!" And I sat there
[removed] is it that this scene is part of a widely-regarded classic
(and the scene
itself pretty classic), but the public villifies Amos and Andy and Disney
won't
even release "Song of the South" in this country? Why is it that it's OK for
black crows to do that sort of routine, but not black people (Correll and
Gosden's race aside)?
I'm not arguing for either side of that question, just offering it up for
discussion.
--Laura Leff
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:23:24 -0500
From: BH <radioguy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Kinescopes
hal stone spoke and said:
It almost
laughable now, but the early prototype Video tape machines were HUMONGOUS.
and the reels holding the magnetic tape stock were as big as wagon wheels.
Indeed they were.
Unless you have seen one of these early Tape recorders, you have no idea
what technological marvels have been created over the past few years.
Here is a picture of RCA's early video tape machine:
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The equivalent of all that vacumn tube circuitry can be placed on one
small IC chip now.
Bill H.
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:23:59 -0500
From: "Paul M. Thompson" <beachcomber@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: A Familiar Phrase?
This has virtually nothing to do with old radio except for a somewhat
subtle hint of that famous disaster captured on the air by Herb Morrison
back in 1937. Begging Charlie's indulgence, I thought this might be
worth a smile or two.
The following is an excerpt from a lengthy funeral notice that appeared
in a Sacramento newspaper last week:
"On October 19th, while piloting the super-freighter The Grande Tetons
down the Columbia River, Captain Jackson collapsed from a heart
attack and fell on the ship's control mechanisms, causing the ship to
lose control and careen across the river. The ship then plowed into the
combination Sardine Canning & Dynamite Factory on the wharf resulting
in a huge explosion and raining sardines all over town. A radio announcer
nearby was heard to cry out 'oh the humanity-'. "
Postscript: Put your mind at ease. You didn't miss a major news [removed]
Sadly, Captain Jackson did indeed die aboard an outbound ship on the
Columbia River but this specific paragraph was fabricated by his son
in a tribute to his father's sense of humor.
Paul Thompson
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Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 02:24:20 -0500
From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Out of the past
A friend of mine sent me this link to an interesting article on a group of
performers--the AFTRA/SAG Senior Radio Players--and their recent performance
of some episodes from "Ellery Queen" and "The Whistler" at the Chicago
Cultural Center: [removed].
Ivan
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OTR Ramblings and Musings at Thrilling Days of Yesteryear:
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