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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 337
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Another MacKenzie Obit.               [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
  Jack Webb Bio                         [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
  Re: TV on OTR                         [ Mike Thompson <mthomp86@[removed]; ]
  The Avengers on holiday               [ "david rogers" <david_rogers@hotmai ]
  Shorty the Barber on mp3?             [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
  The Gernsback Business                [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Re: "pre-recorded"                    [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
  By Special Recording ... The Lone Ra  [ Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed]; ]
  early uses of television              [ "Michael Muderick" <[removed] ]
  Re: Special Recording                 [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  Early Television                      [ oldpdb@[removed] (Paul Barringer) ]
  The Joy Boys                          [ oldpdb@[removed] (Paul Barringer) ]
  SUSPENSE QUESTION                     [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
  Hugo Gernsback and Science Fiction    [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  9-9 Births/Deaths                     [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Re: question about transcribed or re  [ Christopher Werner <werner1@globalc ]
  Gunsmoke - that Dodge City Saloon     [ "John R. Warmington" <origami@chatl ]
  Origin of the word television         [ Bill Jaker <bilj@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 18:28:58 -0400
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Another MacKenzie Obit.

This from the singers' hometown Winnipeg Free Press:

[removed]

Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 19:35:50 -0400
From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jack Webb Bio

          I was just looking through a book catalog and noticed
a book titled "Just The Facts Ma'am" the Authorized Biography
of Jack Webb by Dan Moyer and Eugene Alvarez, PhD.  It's
a very interesting book, and should anyone be interested in
how they can obtain a copy of it, they can contact me offline.

          BTW, does anyone out there have any further info about
The Radio Hall of Fame and where I can locate further tapes
of it?

Kenneth Clarke

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 19:37:12 -0400
From: Mike Thompson <mthomp86@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: TV on OTR

George wrote:

Does anyone know of other early references to
television in surviving OTR
programs?

Well, it's not all that early (as the show ran from
1947-51), but a few episodes of My Favorite Husband
mentioned television, and in at least one (the one
where Liz and Iris buy the same "original" dress;
which, BTW, was later adapted into the famous I Love
Lucy episode where Lucy and Ethel also buy the same
"original" dress), television played a major part in
the storyline. What's amusing about the TV references
on My Favorite Husband is that the characters talk
about how TV is killing radio.

I'm sure there are other instances, but My Favorite
Husband is all I can think of at the moment.

Mike

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:01:26 -0400
From: "david rogers" <david_rogers@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Avengers on holiday

This summer, my wife and I went to Thailand for a month and then we went on
to England for a month.  Especially while in Thailand we played a lot of
cards while listening to the South African made Avengers.  Sitting on the
balcony of our room, looking out at the sea and the palm trees, playing
cards, drinking beer, listening to the "radio"...does it get any better?
If you have not heard any of these shows I strongly recommend them as they
are excellently done.  I used to watch the Avengers on TV when I was young
and I thought that the radio shows were a great recreation.
While we were in England I bought some of the Avengers TV shows on DVD and
some of them were of the radio shows that we had been listening to.  I must
say that the radio show stood up well to the TV shows.
Just as a side point, quite a while ago somebody, from the mailing list
e-mailed me about finding it hard to carry their laptop on holiday with
them.  I have, what in Korea is called a "hybrid" cd player.  That means it
plays audio cds and mp3s.  I must say that I found this great as we have
traveled.  We took it with us last winter when we went to China and again on
our travels this summer.  It is light enough that it is not too heavy to
carry.  Also, if it gets damaged or stolen I would be sad, but financially
it is not the end of the world.  Also I re-encoded a number of my favorite
shows that I wanted to take so that I could get more of them on a disc.  We
have a dual connection that we attach to the speaker socket so that both of
us can listen on headphones at the same time.  This time in Thailand we
bought some very cheap computer speakers and some rechargeable batteries.
These were very useful additions.  Just one other thing that I would
recommend for travelling is a cd holder.  The one that we have holds the cd
player as well as about 12 discs.  This way you payer is cushioned against
being knocked and your discs are with the player which is convenient when
you want to change discs etc.  Oh yes and I nearly forgot.  There is a
little pocket on the outside of my cd holder.  In this I carry a print out
of that shows are on each disc.  I made the play lists with Win Amp and then
just printed them off on the computer.  If you have a lot of shows spread
over a number of discs I have found this a great help.  Also I could say to
my wife, "what do you fancy listening to?" and when she says, "I don't know
what have you got?" then I could just pass her the list and she could have a
look through.
You may have your own solution for listening to OTR while travelling but I
have found the above system has worked very well for us.
For those interested in the Avengers I would just like to recommend a couple
of web sites:

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Love as always, David Rogers

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:01:34 -0400
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Shorty the Barber on mp3?
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 Since all the mp3 offerings seem to have almost the exact same programs, i
have not been able to run across any amos n andy programs with Shorty. Now i
havnt listened to all, but im starting to wonder if the episodes with Shorty
have been deliberately left out. Does anyone know? I have many cassettes with
Shorty  in the cast and I think he is one of the funniest characters of otr.
If
you havent heard the episode in which Shorty and Gabby the lawyer ( i think it
was Gabby) have a political debate, you are missing one of the funniest shows
ever. Do the mp3 programs include Shorty?

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:02:58 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Gernsback Business

Joe Cline, speaking of Dr. Ross' commentary on the origin of the term,
"television," noted Hugo Gernsback's other term,

I'm not sure, but I seem to remember that Gernsback's preferred term
was "scientifiction" and he took a very proprietary interest in the word,
so much so that his successor as SF editor (of "Amazing Stories" I think)
John C. Campbell coined the "science fiction"moniker. (Of course,
considering my advancing age, I may have it backwards.)

Actually, John W. Campbell, Jr., was editor of Astounding Science
Fiction, a magazine that started as Astounding Stories and ended as
Analog Science Fiction and Fact (his idea).  I've read that he tried to
trademark "Science Fiction," which by that time had been in common enough
circulation to preclude trademarking.

To put an OTR spin on this, many of the stories broadcast on Dimension X
and its successor were derived from stories that originally ran in Mr.
Campbell's magazine.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:19:50 -0400
From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: "pre-recorded"
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In a message dated 9/7/03 5:31:07 PM Central Daylight Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:

A program is either
recorded or it is live.  A recorded program MUST have been recorded IN
ADVANCE, so why say that it was PRE-recorded?  It was recorded.  Period.

That was likely in case anyone wondered, or was confused over, whether
"recorded" meant that day's show was recorded as it came off the air live, or
recorded in advance.  All "Saturday Night Live" shows, for instance, are
recorded,
but are mostly live when they air.  A rerun would be "pre-recorded."
Obviously
this means nothing to most people now but apparently was a big deal in the
1960s.

Dixon

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:29:31 -0400
From: Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  By Special Recording ... The Lone Ranger!

Joe Salerno wrote:

Then, there's the Lone Ranger, which in its syndicated format
was brought to you as the announcer intoned at the beginning
of every program, "BY SPECIAL RECORDING - THE LONE RANGER!"
Of course the Ranger was not just transcribed or recorded,
it was a special recording!

I recall reading somewhere that there was a production company called "Special
Recording, Inc." that had something to do with the Ranger property. Maybe
someone on the list can provide some detail on this.

Regards,
Art

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 20:29:41 -0400
From: "Michael Muderick" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  early uses of television

The Tom Swift Sr. series started in 1910
Here are three selections:

17. Tom Swift and His Photo Telephone (1914)
31. Tom Swift and His Talking Pictures (1928)
36. Tom Swift and His Television Detector (1933)

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:07:12 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Special Recording

From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];

Then, there's the Lone Ranger, which in it's syndicated format
was brought to you as the announcer intoned at the beginning
of every program, "BY SPECIAL RECORDING - THE LONE
RANGER!" Of course the Ranger was not just transcribed or
recorded, it was a special recording!       Joe Salerno

No, Joe, from what I understand, the name of the syndication company during
those years was Special Recording, Inc.  So they got the recording
announcement out of the way by stating the name of the company!

But here's a similar story to the one you cited.  In the early 30s while
many broadcasters were propagandizing against the use of recordings,
station WOR and their chief engineer [removed] Poppele saw the benefits that
could be gained thru the use of recorded programs, such as having a better
cast of performers than a small independent station could have afforded.
In a 1934 article on the subject, Poppele said that as early as 1932 WOR
made the announcement proudly that "This program is brought to you ONLY by
Electrical Transcription."

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:41:11 -0400
From: oldpdb@[removed] (Paul Barringer)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Early Television

Continuing along the posts of early television;

The following is taken from" Center Of Moscow Region" web site.

   Since XIX century many of scientists, engineers,
inventors-enthusiasts have been working over the discovery, creation and
further development of radio and television. May 7,1895 considered to be
the day of radio discovery, when the young scienttist Popov A. S. has
demonstrated a device for wireless transmission of radio signals. It is
almost impossible to determine the exact date of television discovery.
But nevertheless in our country, October 1 1931 is considered to be a
birthday of national television.

   A widely known word "Television" for the first time was used as the
technical term of an International congress in Paris in 1900 and then
was fast spread among the specialists, and later in every day life.

   The first TV programs in Moscow were transmitted from small studio of
a radio relay communications center. The received video signal was
rather relative that time, not so sharp, but it was possible to
distinguish a figure of a man and known subjects.

   At the end of 1934 TV transmissions became regular.

The site goes on to discuss the construction of of a special TV radio
station and other buildings.

In books and articles published here in the [removed], it is stated, there is
no single inventor of television, although Dr. Vladimar Zworykins
invention of the iconoscope in 1923 was the basis element of the
television camera.

 As early as the late 1920's there was even color TV (very primitive),
but still TV.

  NBC used the opening of the New York Worlds Fair to kick off regular
Television service (April 30, 1939).

 Some interesting facts, but none of it would have happened without the
invention of our love, the radio.

Paul

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 22:41:49 -0400
From: oldpdb@[removed] (Paul Barringer)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Joy Boys

 I don't know about the old time Joy Boys, but the modern day Joy Boys
were Ed Walker and Willard Scott, (yes, "The" Willard Scott).

I think they did recordings for the AFRS in the 50's and 60's or
sometime around then.

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Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 23:33:16 -0400
From: PURKASZ@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  SUSPENSE QUESTION
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        Easily one of the most frustrating of realities is to have an
incomplete show.
     Much worse than mere;y missing, these shows tantalize and frustrate.
     I have two.
     Maybe you do too.
     They are both incomplete for the oddest of reasons. I speak of the
Suspense episodes from April 19th and April 26th of 1951.
     "The Rescue" and "The Thirteenth Sound" two shows back-to-back in
broadcast schedule and both incomplete in opposite ways. One missing the
beginning
and the other missing the end.
     Tell me it's not true!
     Can Someone can help me?  The James Stewart show is missing the end and
I am left hanging.
     The other show has merely a missing opening and is just annoying because
I know the story.
     Does anyone have info on why these shows are so weirdly incomplete?
     I know therein lies a tale well calculated to keep me [removed],
SUSPENSE.
     Many thanks. Especially if someone can guide me to the complete shows.
                    Michael C. Gwynne

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:07:59 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Hugo Gernsback and Science Fiction

Several of you have commented, on my remark that Hugo Gernsback coined the
term
"science fiction," that he coined the term "scientifiction," not "cience
fiction."

According to Sam Moskowitz's article "How Science Fiction Got its Name,"
originally
published in "Fantasy and Science Fiction" in 1957 and included in his
collection =Explorers
of the Infinite=, published sometime in the 1960s, Gernsback coined both
terms.  Actually,
he coined three terms for the stuff we now know as science fiction.  In his
electronic
magazine, "Science and Invention" he called it "scientific fiction."  When he
started
"Amazing Stories," the first science fiction magazine, in 1926, he called in
"scientifiction."
In 1929, Gernsback lost control of his company, including Amazing Stories.
He quickly
started a new company, which featured the magazines "Science Wonder Stories",
"Air
Wonder Stories", "Scientific Detective Monthly," and "Science Wonder
Quarterly."  In
starting those magazines, he coined the term "science fiction" and used it
consistently.

This, incidentally, was before Clayton Publications started "Astounding
Stories" in 1930, and
well before John W. Campbell became editor in 1937 and changed the name to
"Astounding
Science-Fiction."

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:08:24 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

 From Those Were The Days --

1935 - The Hoboken Four, featuring Frank Sinatra as lead singer,
appeared on Major Bowes Amateur Hour on WOR. The group won the
competition held at the Capitol Theatre in New York City.

1944 - Ed Wynn resumed his radio career after seven years off the air.
Wynn starred in Happy Island on the NBC Blue network.

Joe

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:11:35 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  9-9 Births/Deaths

September 9th births

09-09-1882 - Clem McCarthy - East Bloomfield, NY - d. 6-4-1962
sportscaster: Kentucky Derby
09-09-1894 - Arthur Freed - Charleston, SC - d. 4-12-1973
songwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
09-09-1898 - Frankie Frisch - The Bronx, NY - d. 3-12-1973
baseball broadcaster: (Baseball Hall of Fame) New York Giants
09-09-1899 - Waite Hoyt - Brooklyn, NY - d. 8-25-1984
sportscaster, "Sports Review"; "According to Hoyt"; play-by-play: Cincinnati
Reds
09-09-1909 - Ed Prentiss - Chicago, IL - d. 3-18-1992
actor: Red Albright/Captain Midnight "Captain Midnight"; Ned Holden "Guiding
Light"
09-09-1924 - Jane Greer - Washington, [removed] - d. 8-24-2001
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"

September 9th deaths

05-23-1921 - Helen O"Connell - Lima, OH - d. 9-9-1993
singer: (Jimmy Dorsey Band) "Kraft Music Hall"; "Fitch Bandwagon"
09-22-1900 - Hanley Stafford - Hanley, Staffordshire, England - d. 9-9-1968
actor: Mr. Higgins "Baby Snooks Show"; Julius C. Dithers "Blondie"
11-16-1909 - Burgess Meredith - Cleveland, OH - d. 9-9-1997
actor: "Red Adams/Red Davis "Red Adams/Red Davis"
12-22-1924 - Ruth Roman - Boston, MA - d. 9-9-1999
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Hollywood Sound Stage"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Hometown of [removed] Kaltenborn and Jay Jostyn

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:12:15 -0400
From: Christopher Werner <werner1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: question about transcribed or recorded

Dr. Biel in his response to the question of Pre-Recorded or Transcribed
terminology commented:

The term "Pre-Recorded" also started to
be used at that time although it is really redundant.  A program is either
recorded or it is live.  A recorded program MUST have been recorded IN
ADVANCE, so why say that it was PRE-recorded?  It was recorded.  Period.

If I were to hear someone announce that "This program has been recorded" would
understand that to mean:
1) Gee, that's nice, I hope someone [else] gets to listen to your recording
OR
  2) Does that mean that I can write and purchase a copy of the program
afterward?

Adding the prefix 'pre-' clarifies the usage of the recording to indicate
that one is about to listen to the playing of the recording at this moment.
and that this moment is the intended point in time for the playing of the
recording ("we did it then, so you could hear it now").

Hopefully there will be no Aflak Geese cocking their heads sideways over
this 'clarification'  ;-)

Chris

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:12:32 -0400
From: "John R. Warmington" <origami@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Gunsmoke - that Dodge City Saloon

How is the saloon "Alafraganza" spelled?  And how did they come up with
it?

John

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If God has cable, we are the 24-hour doofus network.
         --Will Durst--

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 11:12:47 -0400
From: Bill Jaker <bilj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Origin of the word television

    It's been fun to follow our discussion of the origin of a word that
many on this list have previously considered ineffable.

Hugo Gernsback, publisher of electronic and science fiction magazines,
is generally credited
with coining the word "television."

    I believe the word was coined by an anonynmous French librarian
circa 1895 to describe a scientific paper describing the transmission of
images.  But that's not the point.  (I'm always a little shy about
declaring "firsts").  By the time that whateveryoucallit was becoming a
a possible means of mass communication there were many suggestions about
what to name the baby.  For instance:
    Radioscape.  Rayfoto.  Visual radio. Video (that one seems to have
stuck).  Photo-radio.  Telephonophotograph.  Telopiky (I love that
word).  Radiovision was widely used in the late 1920s, but couldn't
really catch on since the Pilot Electric Company had copyrighted it as
their own and their mechanical scanning system became obsolete.
    Do you notice the family resemblance in some of those names, like
Radio-movies (another nominee in the lexicon)?
    We finally settled on "television", or simply T-V (though radio was
never just called R).
    But as an early critic of the medium pointed out, "the word is half
Greek and half Latin.  No good can come of it."
                                                       --Bill Jaker

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