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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2004 : Issue 55
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Submarine OTR [ "mike kerezman" <philipmarlowe@cfai ]
about The Shadow [ Froggievilleus <froggievilleus@yaho ]
Gene Autry's Lux episode [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
Whatever happened to---Dealers [ William Brooks <webiii@[removed]; ]
OLD TIME RADIO CO. [ "mike kerezman" <philipmarlowe@cfai ]
2-11 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Re: The Lone Ranger [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
Dr Demento/OTR [ "chester a riley" <chester_a_riley@ ]
"Smile" song [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
Fibber McGee Reference [ BH <radiobill@[removed]; ]
Re: John Gardner's Research [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
Julie Schwartz and Superman [ JimInks@[removed] ]
Re: Dr Demento [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
Miracle In Manhatten [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
#OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig [ lois@[removed] ]
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:02:20 -0500
From: "mike kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Submarine OTR
I recently saw the german language film DAS BOOT (1981) which is a action
movie set on german submarine in WWII. I got to thinking about Submarines in
OTR. I remember hearing a submarine story on ESCAPE from 1953 called
"PRESSURE". I was wondering if there other OTR stories dealing with
submarines. Seems Like I vaguely remember a SHADOW story that involved a
submarine but I may be mistaken.
Mike Kerezman
Macomb, Oklahoma
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:26:19 -0500
From: Froggievilleus <froggievilleus@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: about The Shadow
Hi All,
Just catching up on the emails and I saw a posting
about a website receiving a cease and desist letter
concerning The Shadow. My site, [removed],
also recently received the same letter about a show I
had posted in December. I have since removed ALL
references that deal with The Shadow, which believe me
were not that many. What gets me is that they went to
all of the trouble to mail me this official document,
when a simple email would have sufficed.
And, I am thinking of framing the letter, just for the
sake of a grin - ;).
Elizabeth S.
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:58:08 -0500
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Gene Autry's Lux episode
My heartfelt thanks to all of you who wrote to me
regarding the Lux radio Theatre show that starred Gene
Autry. I've long wanted that episode and now I'll be
getting it. So again thanks to you all.
Larry Albert
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:58:22 -0500
From: William Brooks <webiii@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Whatever happened to---Dealers
The question was asked, Whatever happened to George Barker, "Radio
Memories from the Attic" in Elgin, Il.
George died very suddenly about 20 years ago and with his death Radio
Memories from the Attic passed on also.
Bill
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:33:49 -0500
From: "mike kerezman" <philipmarlowe@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OLD TIME RADIO CO.
My Late Father used to order from the OLD TIME RADIO Co. a lot. We still
have many tapes from them. However, I am not sure when (Late 1990s Best
Guess) I sent an order in that was delayed for several months. Apparently
they went on vacation. When they came back and discovered all the orders
backed up they promptly sent me the order with apologies and some free tape
coupons. Since I didn't trust them after that I sent my next order using
exclusively Free Tape coupons. I never received that order and I heard they
went out of business. While at the time, I appreciated their substantial
selection compared to RadioSpirits at the time, Its not hard to see why they
went out of business. Their catalog was one most disorganized I've seen.
Mike Kerezman
Macomb, Ok
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:19:41 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 2-11 births/deaths
February 11th births
Kenkoku Kinenbi (Japan)
02-11-1882 - John H. Mills - Bellfonte, PA - d. 12-8-1967
singer: (Father of the Mills Brothers) "Mills Brothers Quartette"
02-11-1909 - Max Baer - Omaha, NB - d. 11-21-1959
heavyweight boxing champion, actor: Lucky Smith "Lucky Smith"
02-11-1919 - Eva Gabor - Budapest, Hungary - d. 7-4-1995
disc jockey: "Little Night Music"
02-11-1920 - Billy Halop - NYC - d. 11-9-76
actor: Bobby Benson "Bobby Benson Adventures"; Dick Kent "Home, Sweet Home"
02-11-1926 - Leslie Nielsen - Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada
actor: "Jive Patrol"
February 11th deaths
03-20-1908 - Kermit Murdock - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 2-11-1981
actor: Rod Buchanan "Whisper Men"
03-28-1925 - Jerry Walter - IL - d. 2-11-1979
actor: Gil Perry "Island Adventure"
05-28-1906 - Phil Regan - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-11-1996
singer: (The Singing Cop) "Burns and Allen"
06-16-1903 - Ona Munson - Portland, OR - d. 2-11-1955
actress: Lorelei Kilbourne "Big Town"
09-19-1931 - Ray Danton - NYC - d. 2-11-1992
actor: "Hollywood Radio Theatre"
09-27-1920 - William Conrad - Louisville, KY - d. 2-11-1994
actor: Matt Dillon "Gunsmoke"; Louis Dumont "Jason and His Golden Fleece"
11-21-1912 - Eleanor Powell - Springfield, MA - d. 2-11-1982
singing tap dancer: "Flying Red Horse Tavern"
11-23-1903 - Victor Jory - Dawson City, AK - d. 2-11-1982
actor: "Matinee Theatre"; "Crisis in War Town"; "Hallmark Playhouse"
12-08-1911 - Lee J. Cobb - NYC - d. 2-11-1976
actor: the tailgunner "Roosty of the AAF"; "Citizen of the World"; "Hollywood
Startime"
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:12:01 -0500
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: The Lone Ranger
The February issue of the Big Reel, has an article about a movie serial
called The Devil Horse. It mentions that the theme music to the serial is
the William Tell Overture. According to the article, which is written by
Hank Davis, The Devil Horse started playing in the theaters on November 1,
1932.
Mr. Davis believes that George W. Trendle may have seen the serial and then
used the same music for The Lone Ranger when it aired the following year.
Does anyone have any additional information on this. I have not seen The
Devil Horse.
Fred
[removed]
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 22:12:29 -0500
From: "chester a riley" <chester_a_riley@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Dr Demento/OTR
so I don't know if Dr Demento still runs his show.
Dr. Demento is Now on XM Radio Channel 40! Hear The Best of Dr D Late
Sundays MID ET/9pm PT [removed]
[removed]
Most of the songs played in the 70s were OTR related
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:14:03 -0500
From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Smile" song
The way I remember hearing it (I could be wrong) "Smile"
went as follows:
"Smile, though your heart is aching,
Smile, even though it's breaking.
Although a tear
May be ever so near.
That's the time you must keep on trying
Smile, what's the use of crying?
You'll find that life is still worthwhile,
If you just smile."
I believe there's two or three more verses to it as well.
As always,
Kenneth Clarke
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 01:21:06 -0500
From: BH <radiobill@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fibber McGee Reference
<welsa@[removed];
In an episode of Fibber McGee and Molly, Teeny makes a reference to the Red,
White and Blue Network. I know about the Red and Blue, but where does the
White come in? Or were the writers just being cute? Anyone have an idea
about this? Oh, yes, the particular show is one entitled "Cleaning the Hall
Closet."
The White Network was one of the NBC west coast networks and operated
in the late 1920's and early 1930's and went away when NBC went
coast-to-coast. It was also called the Watchtower Network and the
program content was mainly religious. There were also Gold and Orange
west coast networks.
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 01:21:24 -0500
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: John Gardner's Research
Many thanks to John Gardner for correctly identifying the RICHARD DIAMOND,
PRIVATE DETECTIVE show currently running on Heritage Radio Theatre (
[removed])
as: "Lady In Distress" from ABC 2/23/51. It definitely isn't "The Joyce
Wallace Story."
John wins the "Mr Trace, Keener Than Most Persons" Award for this week.
<<Tom Heathwood>>
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 01:22:03 -0500
From: JimInks@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Julie Schwartz and Superman
Joseph Ross,
Julie did not edit Superman during WW2. From 1944 until 1948, Julie was
editing for the All-American branch of DC Comics, which did not include
Superman.
The two branches of DC weren't even in the same building until 1948.
If you liked Adam Strange from Mystery in Space, then you may be interested
in knowing that DC Comics has released an Adam Strange hardcover reprinting
the
three issues of Showcase and a fair number of the Mystery in Space Adam
Strange stories. You can find it in your local comic book shop or other
places on
line. This shameless plug was brought to you by the fellow who wrote the
introduction to the book.
-Jim Amash
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:06:57 -0500
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Dr Demento
From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
I've learned a lot of history from Dr Demento. If I'm using the term
correctly, I'd nominate him as the best popular-music musicologist
and scholar there is.
Long before he put on the top hat and tails, Barrett E. Hansen was well
know among West Coast record collectors. Like most of us advanced record
collectors he learned a lot from the records he found and from studying the
journals and discographies, and from talking with many other collectors.
He has the advantage of having been in the record business (he produced the
Loss Leader sampler series at Warner Bros in the 60s) and of all of the
contacts and contributions to his collection that come from his radio
program. He does have a wide knowledge of the history of recordings with
an emphasis on novelty and comedy records, but both he and I know many
other collectors and researchers with even greater knowledge. You'll find
many extremely knowledgeable people over on the 78-L, and of course there
are the annual conferences of the Association for Recorded Sound
Collections (ARSC). We'll be in Cleveland around this time next month.
I wish his persona was a bit more restrained, though. He is neither
demented nor crazy, and I'm afraid he might tend to repel more
adult listeners, all of whom could stand to benefit by his work.
In real life Barry is indeed much more restrained, and actually is fairly
soft spoken. But that smile is genuine. That radio personality has indeed
put him on the map, but the dozen or so other people I know who do
historical radio programs (like I used to do 30 years ago) are much more
"undemented" on the air. But it is that on-air persona that made his
program stand out from all the others.
He has mentioned to me that he would like to be able to do more historical
early recordings on his program but as the birth years of the average
audience members gets later and later, it becomes less possible to do a lot
of the older recordings. The kids like the newer recordings. The early
items you specifically mention are actually very well known among most
advanced collectors of early records.
He has played the first recorded advertisement,
If I know which recording you mean, it is __an__ example of an early
advertising blurb on cylinder from the 1890s, but there are others. The
phenomenon is well known among collectors, and there have been a number of
them issued on LPs and CDs over the years.
the first singing commercial
We've had debates here as to what the first singing commercial was. Which
did he choose?
the ad for the first two-sided record
Actually, the Columbia Double-Disc Record referred to in this recording was
not the first two-sided record. Berliner had issued one in 1900, which was
eight years before Columbia, and Neophone in Italy had a series of them in
1904. There are two of these Columbia Double-Disc demonstration records
and they are extraordinarily common. I have 4 or 5 of each of them, and
every collector I know of has them.
the entire history of weird Christmas music (in which he details our
annual loss of listening discrimination,)
Going back to, I suppose, "Santa Claus Hides In The Phonograph" from the
early 20s. Ernie Hare of the Happiness Boys did the most common version of
this.
every dance craze, all of the singing animal records, and every
other musical fad. Individually, these seem trivial. But taken as a
whole, they comprise a good self-examination of humanity, and
that's perhaps the most worthy goal of any scholarly pursuit.
Actually, I DID do it as a scholarly pursuit myself. Back around 1969 I
did a 4 or 5 hour tape history of the comedy record as a term paper for a
graduate class. (I had the benefit of not having to be politically correct
in what I selected for this.) And I did a radio program "The Junkyard"
playing novelty records, all this happening a year or two before Barry
started his own program. Talking with him, his collection directly
paralleled mine at the time he began, and when I first started to hear his
program I used to think of so many other records I would have additionally
included in the groupings of similar types that he featured in the early
programs. But as he stayed in the business, his collection grew and grew.
Besides, it's funny. M Kinsler
He certainly has the knack for it, and turned it into a successful career.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:07:35 -0500
From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Miracle In Manhatten
John Eccles Jr said about Miracle In Manhatten
to the best of my knowledge this story was first performed on
the Columbia Workshop on 12/20/41 with Ed Gardner playing the cabdriver
This is interesting because the 20th was a Saturday. My copy of this program
was dated only 12-41. [removed] according to Dunning, Columbia Workshop was
aired on Sundays from May 5th 1940 until June 12th 1942, and all my other
recordings of C/W are dated on Sundays. The only exception to this were the
"Columbia Presents Corwin" which was part of the Workshop series and these
were on Fridays during this period.
My question to John is: Are you sure of this date? Was there a special
exception to the day of broadcast for this one show?
George Aust
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 02:12:00 -0500
From: lois@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!
For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
Network, the channel name is #OldRadio. We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
over six years, same time, same channel!
Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
Hollywood; a sound man from the same era who worked many of the top
Hollywood shows; a New York actor famed for his roles in "Let's Pretend" and
"Archie Andrews;" owners of some of the best OTR sites on the Web;
maintainer of the best-known OTR Digest (we all know who he is)..........
and Me
Lois Culver
KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
and widow of actor Howard Culver
(For more info, contact lois@[removed])
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