Subject: [removed] Digest V2007 #54
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Date: 2/16/2007 10:19 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2007 : Issue 54
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Fran Striker's sidekicks              [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
  Bad Indians                           [ "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
  "The Big Lie"                         [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]
  T. L. Ranger aka Kemosabe             [ Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed]; ]
  October 21st, 1945                    [ "Jerry Haendiges" <jerryhaendiges@c ]
  James Andelin                         [ mmartini@[removed] ]
  Vic& Sade Announcer                   [ "Jay Manarky" <jayman@[removed]; ]
  The Lone Ranger, on and on!           [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
  air dates                             [ fangle <fangle@[removed]; ]
  Dark Eyes Mean Danger                 [ "Robert Birchard" <bbirchard@earthl ]
  2-16 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  The Grandmother Project               [ Larry Maupin <mpn_lrry@[removed]; ]

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:14:26 -0500
From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Fran Striker's sidekicks

Mark Kinsler says (of the Lone Ranger and Tonto):

Every other hero
...suffered the company of either a kid or a bumbler, and Tonto was
neither.

He goes on to note that they are rather equal in stature.

Fran Striker wrote the Lone Ranger, the Green Hornet, and Sgt Preston,
and he gave them all sidekicks with two things in common:  They were
not-white-men partnered with white men, and English was not their native
language.  (Yukon King spoke dog).

The main purpose of the sidekick was to give the hero a conduit to the
audience; by explaining his thinking to the sidekick, he also explained
to the listener.

I don't remember Tonto ever solving a mystery or explaining a clue to the
Ranger, but I could be wrong - anybody have any examples?

---Dan

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:57:47 -0500
From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bad Indians

Misty Lane should never say 'never" in discussing what Indians appear "bad"
in Lone Ranger scripts.  Fran Striker and other writers did not exclusively
choose the Apaches for their Native American villains.  There are many
episodes in which the Comanches are up to no good, including one in which
the Ranger and a pioneer wife are trapped in a sod hut and the masked man
saves one bullet for the woman to end her life rather than submit to
capture.

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:58:12 -0500
From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "The Big Lie"
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I remember when I got out of the Army in 1962, the radio program, "The Big
Lie" would play excerpts from Shortwave broadcasts of Radio Moscow, Radio
Peking, Radio Havana, Radio Berlin International, Radio Prague, Radio
Budapest and other communist stations around the world, and then several
commentors would refute and correct "The Big Lie?"How long was that program
on the air, and where did it originate from?They would start each broadcast
with the Interval Signals of all those countries identification ID'[removed] it
privately sponsored or was it some government organization like  the
Government Office Of Information?As a shortwave radio enthusiast back in the
1960's,70's, and 80's,I found it very intriqueing, interesting, and
[removed] should revive it for countries likeI ran and Syria.

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:58:26 -0500
From: Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  T. L. Ranger aka Kemosabe

I hate to argue with Chet about Mr. Ranger's first name. It is obvious to
me
that Lone is the middle name.
Cheers, Ed Kindred

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:59:14 -0500
From: "Jerry Haendiges" <jerryhaendiges@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  October 21st, 1945

Hi friends,

	Here is a list of programs from our archive database for October
21st, 1945.

	By the way, I'm posting this to the Digest as well as to the
original poster to let everyone know that this is very simple list to
compile and if any of you ever need one in the future, just let me know the
date (or date range) you want and I'll be happy to compile it for you.

This give the Series, date, Episode Number and Title (when available)

CHARLOTTE GREENWOOD SHOW   10-21-45   54 HEDDA HOPPER TRIES TO HELP
CHARLIE MCCARTHY SHOW      10-21-45  376 FRED ALLEN
ETERNAL LIGHT              10-21-45   55 TAHMUD
FITCH BANDWAGON            10-21-45      GUEST: GLEN GRAY
FRED ALLEN SHOW            10-21-45    3 HILLBILLY
GREAT GILDERSLEEVE         10-21-45  181 LIGHTFOOT VISITS LEILA
HARVEST OF STARS           10-21-45    4 SERENADE
JACK BENNY SHOW            10-21-45    4 JACK DREAMS OF THE RACE HORSE TE
LEAR RADIO SHOW            10-21-45    5
NELSON EDDY SHOW           10-21-45   48
NICK CARTER, MASTER DETECT 10-21-45  206 AMBASSADOR OF DEATH
OZZIE AND HARRIET          10-21-45   11
QUIZ KIDS                  10-21-45  279
RADIO HALL OF FAME         10-21-45   97
REQUEST PERFORMANCE        10-21-45    3 GUESTS: ORSON WELLES, EDDIE BRAC
SHADOW                     10-21-45    7 BAYOU
THEATER GUILD ON THE AIR   10-21-45    7 SING OUT, SWEET LAND

	Have a Great Day,

	     Jerry Haendiges

Jerry@[removed]
[removed]
     [removed]
The Vintage Radio Place

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 16:00:27 -0500
From: mmartini@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  James Andelin

Hi all,
I don't know if this was mentioned already, but I just found out actor James
Andelin passed away December 27th (I'm pretty sure his birth is listed in Mr.
Sayles's list).... Jim was 89.   While most of his career was spent as a
Chicago-based character actor in TV, voice-overs and film (he had a bit part
in Field of Dreams), radio fans should note that he started his career in
radio at age 13 when he played Skippy in Seckatary Hawkins in 1931, I think.
He also had occasional bit parts in Little Orphan Annie and Jack Armstrong.
He was a great guy who enjoyed talking about the "good old days" of
broadcasting.
-Mike Martini

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:50:40 -0500
From: "Jay Manarky" <jayman@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Vic& Sade Announcer
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      An announcer for Vic & Sade in 1941 called himself Mel (sometimes
Melvin)
      [removed]  Could that by any chance be the same Mel Allen who was the
voice of the New York Yankees on radio?

      Try as I might I simply cannot detect any similarity in the voices. Who
knows?  Maybe Mel .Allen was not the name of either. But then again, maybe it
was the name of both.

      Jay Manarky

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 21:00:50 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Lone Ranger, on and on!

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:12:07 -0500
From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];

 As to what Dan called his uncle, he practically never used the
word "uncle".  He respectfully called the Ranger "sir" and
referred to him as The Lone Ranger in the third person.

Thank you.  I guess that puts those issues to rest.

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 14:14:55 -0500
From: "Misty D. Lane" <misty@[removed];

One thing to note is that on The Lone Ranger the only bad Indian was
an "Apache".  They never made any reference to the other Tribes as
negative.

But of course there was the cartoon on a Lone Ranger LP in the 1970s,
which showed the LR and Tonto surrounded by hostile Indians.  The LR
says, "It looks like we're finished, Tonto!"  And Tonto says, "What
you mean 'we'?

On a more serious note, am I correct in thinking that Tonto's tribal
affiliation was never revealed?

Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 16:21:13 -0500
From: "CHET" <voxpop@[removed];

i hate to disagree with frank mcgurn via stephen [removed],jr but
the ranger's first name obviously is "LONE"

No, that's his middle name.  As I pointed out a couple of weeks ago,
his first name is "The."

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 Fax [removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:01:05 -0500
From: fangle <fangle@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  air dates

Ideally I would like to
recreate 3-4 shows from the evening they were married. Does anyone have
any ideas for shows from this date?

I've found a site listing all radio logs from the NY Times, Chicago Times,
Washington Post, and the LA Times for the 1940s.  Apparently the '30s and
the '50s will be posted next.  You can look up the actual scans of the
radio equivalent of the TV listings found in newspapers today.

The site is located at [removed]

I hope this helps,

Ed

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:01:26 -0500
From: "Robert Birchard" <bbirchard@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Dark Eyes Mean Danger
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    Well this is sort of off topic--because it deals with that other medium,
you know, radio with pictures, but this goes back to the experimental days in
the 1930s and perhaps some one of you might have some information.

    I have several unidentified NBC stills from the late 1930s and early
1940s related to early experimental television in New York.  One, however,
does have a title on the back:  "Dark Eyes Mean Danger."  Anyone know when
the was broadcast, my guess is ca. 1937-'38., but I'd love to find an exact
day and time--also cast members.

    Thanks in advance.

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Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:01:39 -0500
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  2-16 births/deaths

February 16th births

02-16-1884 - Bert Kalmer - NYC - d. 9-17-1947
lyricist: "You Bet Your Life"
02-16-1884 - Joe Smith - NYC - d. 2-22-1981
comedian: (Smith and Dale) "Al Jolson"; "Kate Smith"
02-16-1893 - Katherine Cornell - Berlin, Germany - d. 6-8-1974
actor: "Tribute to Ethel Barrymore"; "Victory Clothing Collection"
02-16-1896 - Alexander Brailowsky - Kiev, Ukriane, Russia - d. 4-25-1976
pianist: "Music America Loves Best"; "New York Philharmonic"
02-16-1900 - Albert Hackett - NYC - d. 3-16-1995
playwright: "Star Spangled Theatre"
02-16-1901 - Chester Morris - NYC - d. 9-11-1979
actor: Boston Blackie "Boston Blackie"; Great Merlini "Great Merlini"
02-16-1902 - Leif Eid - Idaho - d. 3-28-1976
nbc bureau chief: Washington, Ottawa and Paris
02-16-1903 - Edgar Bergen - Chicago, IL - d. 9-30-1978
ventriloquist: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
02-16-1903 - Norman Shelley - d. 8-22-1980
actor: John H. Watson "Corner In Crime, Saturday Night Theatre"
02-16-1904 - George F. Kennan - Milwaukee, WI - d. 3-17-2005
post world war two diplomat: "Meet the Press"
02-16-1904 - James Baskett - Indianapolis, IN - d. 7-9-1948
actor: Gabby Gibson "Amos 'n' Andy"
02-16-1905 - Carleton D. Smith - d. 4-27-1984
announcer/executive: "Fireside Chat with FDR"
02-16-1909 - Hugh Beaumont - Lawrence, KS - d. 5-14-1982
actor: Appeared on radio in 1931
02-16-1909 - Jeffrey Lynn - Auburn, MA - d. 11-24-1995
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Hallmark Playhouse:' "MGM Theatre of the
Air"
02-16-1910 - Del Sharbutt - Ft. Worth, TX - d. 4-26-2002
announcer: "Hobby Lobby"; "Jack Benny Program"; "Victory Theatre"
02-16-1910 - Jerry Lester - Chicago, IL - d. 3-23-1995
actor: John Benson "Life of Mary Sothern"
02-16-1914 - Jimmy Wakely - Mineola, AR - d. 9-23-1982
country singer: "All-Star Western Theatre"; "Hollywood Barn Dance"
02-16-1915 - Carlotta Dale - Ardmore, PA
vocalist: "Music for Moderns"; "Rhapsody in Rhythm"
02-16-1915 - Dorothy Lovett - Providence, RI - d. 4-28-1998
actor: Libby Collins "Lux Radio Theatre"
02-16-1915 - Leah Ray - Norfolk, VA - d. 5-27-1999
vocalist: (The Phil Harris Band) "Tommy Riggs and Betty Lou"
02-16-1917 - George Neise - Chicago, IL - d. 4-14-1996
actor: "The Judy Canova Show"; "The Man Called X"
02-16-1918 - Patty Andrews - Mound, MN
singer (Andrews Sisters) "Andrews Sisters Revue"
02-16-1926 - Vera-Ellen - Cincinnati, OH - d. 8-30-1981
actor: "Martin and Lewis Show"; "Tony Awards"; "Bud's Bandwagon"
02-16-1932 - Gretchen Wyler - Bartlesville, OK
singer-actor: "Sounds of Freedom"

February 16th deaths

01-19-1932 - George Mann MacBeth - Lanarkshire, Scotland - d. 2-16-1992
poet, producer: BBC Radio
02-09-1912 - Bob Hannon - Chicago, IL - d. 2-16-1993
singer: "American Melody Hour"; "Waltz Time"
03-18-1911 - Smiley Burnette - Summum, IL - d. 2-16-1967
host, comedian: "Smiley Burnette Show"; "Hollywood Hotel"
04-12-1914 - Ken Williams - Canada - d. 2-16-1984
actor: Brian Wells "David Harum"
05-04-1909 - Howard Da Silva - Cleveland, OH - d. 2-16-1986
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Forecast"; "Suspense"
07-03-1920 - Louise Allbritton - Oklahoma City, OK - d. 2-16-1979
actor: "Screen Guild Theatre"; "This Is My Best"; "Cavalcade of America"
08-01-1912 - Ronnie Kemper - Missoula, MT - d. 2-16-1997
bandleader: "Ronnie Kemper"; "Horace Heidt Orchestra"
08-03-1911 - Ken Patterson - Montana - d. 2-16-1990
actor: "Dragnet"
09-29-1907 - Richard Harkness - Artesian, SD - d. 2-16-1977
newscaster: NBC network, occassionally filled in for [removed] Kaltenborn
11-30-1915 - Brownie McGhee - Knoxville, TN - d. 2-16-1996
blues guitarist, singer: "New World A' Coming"; "This Is Jazz)

Ron Sayles
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Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:04:40 -0500
From: Larry Maupin <mpn_lrry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Grandmother Project
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In reply to Tom Barrett.  The website [removed] will allow you
to identify programs aired 10/21/45 on stations in four major [removed] cities.
That should be a good jumping off point for your very thoughtful project.  I
hope it goes well.

  Larry Maupin

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