Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #450
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Date: 12/19/2003 5:09 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 450
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Bud Collyer/Orson Bean                [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  Book suggestion--if not out there!    [ vigor16@[removed] ]
  Bud Collyer                           [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
  Broadcasters wanted                   [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
  Re: Gildersleeve and sexual attitude  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Cynthia Collyer                       [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Big Jim McClain                       [ Jeff Weaver <jweaver@[removed]; ]
  Old Time Radio Premiums ...           [ Donaldeprice@[removed] ]
  Sapristi one definition               [ Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed]; ]
  Nothing Physical.                     [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  "Real" Radio                          [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Echoes of the Secret Squadron Chroni  [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Hi end CD-MP3 player                  [ Richard Fisher <w9fjl@[removed]; ]
  RE: Gildersleeve and sexual attitude  [ [removed]@[removed] ]
  language of the OTR era               [ Allen J Hubin <ajhubin@[removed]; ]
  Dr. Christian theme                   [ "Clifton Martin" <MARTBART@peoplepc ]
  Language of the OTR era               [ "Rick Botti" <rbotti@[removed]; ]
  12-20 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Les Tremayne [removed]                   [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
  A Merry OTR Christmas from the Ether  [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:52:16 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bud Collyer/Orson Bean

At 08:05 PM 12/18/2003, you wrote:
 >The recent thread on Bud Collier brought up a question I have wondered
 >about. Orson Bean (who has also had a lot of radio experience) was a
 >panelist on "To Tell the Truth" when Collier was host. Bean was
 >blacklisted in the 50s, while Collier had a history of being far to the
 >right politically. Has anyone heard about how these two got along?

Well, first of all Orson Bean was hired by Mark Goodson, who was known to
be anti-blacklist as opposed to Collyer's feeling that the blacklist was
justified. But as has been mentioned before, Collyer was a gentleman and
professional and while on the show, he afforded those involved respect.
This despite his involvement in his union platform opposed to the hiring of
people such as Bean who were blacklisted.  I doubt if they clashed off
camera but most likely kept a respectful distance from each other. Their
battles were fought away from the show's production.

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:52:39 -0500
From: vigor16@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Book suggestion--if not out there!

Hi all,

I have, for a long time, been looking for a book that tells of some of
the running gags and themes of certain programs.  I think it may help my
understanding of the era and enjoy it more.  Some examples are:

1. The origin and ongoing dialog of the Benny/Allen feud.
2. The origin and nature of the McCarthy/W. C. Fields antaginism.
3. (I assume Vaudville) the "red flannels" running gags that you hear in
comedies. '
4. Origins of character actors that became household names, even to this
day.

I'll throw this out for discussion:
Are there any actor/actorists these days that match the entertainment
quality of the OTR era?  Are there any Bennys, Hopes, Crosbys or Sinatras
etc.  If so, Who are they?  How 'bout Snoop Doggiedog?

Nice to hear from you!
God and I care
Deric J. McCoy  "
314-352-0890

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:52:54 -0500
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bud Collyer

Hi Everybody,

does any one know how I can get in touch with Bud Collyer daughter?  She was
a guest on Bill Bragg show on YUSA years ago, and we would love to have her
back.  I understand that she live in Milwaukee.  Take care,

Walden Hughes

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:53:00 -0500
From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Broadcasters wanted

Hello all.  I am considering providing a service similar to Yesterday USA,
but with some philosophical differences.  If you are interested in putting
together a show on a biweekly basis for Internet broadcasting, please
contact me at otr@[removed].  Much of this is still at the very early
planning stages, but I want to see if there is any interest in this type of
thing.  You would be sending me your content either on audio CD, uploading
files, or on cassette.  If you do not know how to encode shows for Internet
broadcasting, don't worry about it as that would be handled here.  Here are
some technical details if you are interested.

I would be running a dedicated server with 50 gb of space and unlimited
bandwidth.  I would be both streaming and providing mp3 on demand, so
people with Internet radio devices could listen to the stream while others
could download the mp3 files.  I would use a similar format to YUSA in that
there would be "tapes" which would be time blocks ranging from 30 to 120
minutes.  I have not decided which streaming server I would use but am
looking at Darwin, Supercast and Icecast.  This would be running on Linux
so it would have to be one of the above unless there are *nix streaming
servers I don't know about.  I am working on setting up Mailman to start a
broadcasters list.  I am looking for programmers who can do basic scripting
and decent web page designers.

I am looking for any and all ideas regarding this project, so please feel
free to contact me.  I do not have an official launch date, but I would try
for early 2004.  This is an entirely volunteer-based operation, but you
would get free publicity.  I could also use people to read short spots and
create jingles.  Basically I need volunteers for everything.  Again, the
email address for this is otr@[removed].  When the mailing list is
working, I will post subscribing instructions here.

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:51:27 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:  Gildersleeve and sexual attitudes

Rich Weil asked --

at one point Gildy, who is protective of his sister-in-law, asks Judge
Hooker if they have made love.
<snip>
Perhaps just smooching?

   Pretty much just smooching.
   Joe

--
Visit my homepage:  [removed]~[removed]

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:51:42 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Cynthia Collyer

Cynthia Collyer, Bud Collyer's daughter once worked on a local Milwaukee
television station. She is now in the private sector. She was once a guest
speaker at a meeting of the Milwaukee Area Radio Enthusiasts. She was a very
gracious speaker knowing that she was there to talk about her father. She gave
some very interesting insights as to what it was like to be the daughter of
Superman.

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:51:51 -0500
From: Jeff Weaver <jweaver@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Big Jim McClain

I am looking for any info or episodes from the radio show, if it
exists. I am doing some research on Commie era entertainment. Thanks.

Jeffrey Weaver

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:05:27 -0500
From: Donaldeprice@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Old Time Radio Premiums ...
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I trust that this is not too far off the main focus of OTR.    As a "young"
lad in New Jersey during the late 1940s - early 1950s, I well remember the
excitement of listening to the wonderful radio shows of the era.    I really
got
excited when I had the opportunity to hear about the wonderful things I could
send away for, at the time, worth for me a lot, but only usually only required
that I include a  cereal boxtop and a stamp ( and perhaps a few pennies ).
How anxiously I then waited for days and weeks (sometimes) for the box to
arrive.   When it came in the mail ...I always yelled .... " Mom, it finally
came."     What a wonderful experience ... I still have some of the boxes the
items
came in.    Perhaps some of the "expert persons" on this site can comment and
point to other reference sources. Thank you very much .... GBA .... Don

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:07:42 -0500
From: Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Sapristi   one definition
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A French exclamation -   "Good Heavens!"

[removed]

Ed Kindred

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:08:08 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Nothing Physical.

Rich Weil asks, anent an OTR reference about the term, "making love,"
notes,

I take making love to mean sexual intercourse. In those relatively
prudish times it seems out of line that they would be so forward to
discuss intercourse so openly, so I was wondering if it meant something
different back then?

It meant "wooing" back then.  Or "courting."  The language has evolved,
not necessarily for the better.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:08:37 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "Real" Radio

Kathy [[removed]] speaking of a census including radio ownership in
Arlington, Texas, notes,

their census records show no radio but my uncle says that they had
one.  he made a crystal set when he was ten years old in 1928.
apparently a crystal set didn't  count as a real radio.

A crystal set is the "purest" radio receiver possible.  During the
earlier days of audio high fidelity (as opposed to "HiFi"), one of the
better AM tuners was a fancied-up crystal set.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:09:28 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Echoes of the Secret Squadron Chronicles

Steve Lewis notes,

The reason the Midnight show has stayed in my head for so long is that
is was (I presume) a week-ending cliffhanger, with several of the gang
trapped in a tree surrounded by dinosaurs, and scary as all get out.
Possible, or just a false memory?

No, it wasn't a false memory.  He recalled part of "The Return of Ivan
Shark," where Shark, his daughter Fury, and Gardo were stranded on a
dinosaur inhabited island (that also had ape-men).  This was in the early
part of the 1949 season (the Fall of 1948) where Shark had managed to
steal a 1948 Code-O-Graph and they were introducing the 1949 Key-O-Matic
model.  A couple of those episodes survive.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:22:08 -0500
From: Richard Fisher <w9fjl@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Hi end CD-MP3 player

I have a friend who is much interested in finding a high end CD player
that will also play the bit rate used for the MP-3 OTR material in
circulation.

He is not interested in something such as the cheap Apex players that
play everything as they are quite unreliable.

Even a high end DVD player that will play the OTR MP3 discs might
suffice.

Please advise me off the digest if you know of such.

Thank you.

Dick

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:22:54 -0500
From: [removed]@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  RE: Gildersleeve and sexual attitudes
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There's a scene in "Horsefeathers," (okay, okay, I know, it's a movie, not
an OTR program, but it's the only example that comes to mind) where Zeppo
Marx is sitting on a sofa with a sort of blond bimbo character, talking, and
one asks the other, "Are you making love to me"? It seems that back in the
thirties and forties, the term did indeed have a much more innocent meaning
than it does today.

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:42:15 -0500
From: Allen J Hubin <ajhubin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  language of the OTR era

One of the reasons I rarely go to movies (I think I've seen one or
two in the past three years) is the foul language.  I don't use it, I'm
not
around people who do, and I'm repelled by hearing it.
I rarely watch TV (when I do it's mostly public TV), and from
what I hear I will soon have the same reason for not watching;
now it's mostly because I prefer a good book.  And speaking of books,
in my reviewing years I criticized some strongly for the language,
and now it's one thing (among others) that will cause me to quit in the
early
going and toss the book.

So I rejoice over the clean language in OTR--such as Dragnet, as
I work my way through a few hundred episodes.  (And in most
books if I go back a handful of [removed])

Al Hubin

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:42:24 -0500
From: "Clifton Martin" <MARTBART@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Dr. Christian theme

"Rainbow on the River,"  appropriate for Doc Christian's town, River's End,
is a great song, a hit for boy soprano Bobby Breen in the 1936 film of the
same name.  I have his recording on the 3 album set, "Those Wonderful
Thirties" and there's a nice theater organ version of it, too.

Clif Martin

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:43:16 -0500
From: "Rick Botti" <rbotti@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Language of the OTR era

In regards to Mike Mackey's post entitled  "Language of the OTR era"
I just gotta say Thank You, I Agree Completely! As a boomer who
grew up in a Navy town, I learned what vulgar language and common
swearing were all about at an early age. However, it was never acceptable
to project it on to others, especially strangers.  After all, the world
was already full of bad and ugly things, early TV and radio were places
to escape the real world, not emulate it. Remember the Good Broadcasting
code?

That's my two cents worth,

Rick Botti

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:43:24 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  12-20 births/deaths

First Day of Hanukkah

December 20th births

12-20-1889 - Ernest La Prade - Memphis, TN - d. 4-20-1969
conductor: "Collier"s Hour"; "Orchestra of the Nation"
12-20-1900 - Ted Fio Rito - Newark, NJ - d. 7-22-1971
bandleader: "Presenting Al Jolson"; "Wonder Show"; "Jack Haley Show"
12-20-1901 - Irene Dunne - Louisville, KY - d. 9-4-1990
actress: Susan Armstrong "Bright Star"; "Family Theatre"; "Hallmark Hall of
Fame"
12-20-1905 - Albert Dekker - Brooklyn, NY - d. 5-5-1968
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
12-20-1906 - Marion Talley - Nevada, MO - d. 1-3-1983
singer: "Ry-Krisp Presents Marion Talley"
12-20-1907 - Al Rinker - Tekoa, WA - d. 6-11-1982
singer (member of The Rhythm Boys) "Paul Whiteman Presents"
12-20-1923 - Charita Bauer - Newark, NJ - d. 2-28-1985
actress: Mary Aldrich, "Aldrich Family"; Bert Bauer, "Guiding Light"
12-20-1931 - Mala Powers - San Francisco, CA
actress: "Stars Over Hollywood"

December 20th deaths

05-09-1914 - Hank Snow - Liverpool, Novia Scotia, Canada - d. 12-20-1999
country singer: "Grand Ole Opry"
06-12-1914 - William Lundigan - Syracuse, NY - d. 12-20-1975
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"; announcer in early radio
07-21-1863 - C. Aubrey Smith - London, England - d. 12-20-1948
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
09-09-1900 - James Hilton - Leigh, Lancashire, England - d. 12-20-1954
host: "Hallmark Hall of Fame/Hallmark Playhouse"; "Ceiling Unlimited"
10-24-1904 - Moss Hart - The Bronx, NY - d. 12-20-1961
panelist: "Who Said That?"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:43:57 -0500
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Les Tremayne [removed]

We've lost yet another golden voice. Les Tremayne passed away earlier today
(Dec 19) at the age of 90.

Barbara

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Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 19:06:51 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  A Merry OTR Christmas from the Ether
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For All Old Time Radio Digest Subscibers:

     Once again the Christmas season is upon us, and, once again, I would
like to take this opportunity to thank every last subscriber---the active
post-er and the reluctant lurker alike---for your friendship, lively
discussions, insights, and your willingness to share your OTR-related
knowledge throughout the entire year. Over the years, I have found the OTR
community to be filled with the best people walking the planet. Therefore,
I'd like to share with everybody the joy, the warmth, and the blessings the
Christmas and Chanukah seasons engender.
     A lot of space here lately has been dedicated to both the merits and
de-merits of "the good old days." As we continue to celebrate and encourage
the days when the "Theatre of Imagination" ruled the air-waves, let's
continue to work toward and pray for a return to the concomitant values of
hard work, decency, gentility, and graciousness that held sway during the
"Golden Age" while leaving all the  examples of intolerance buried in the
past.
     My wishes for the New Year include:
     For you, the OTR/D subsciber, may you continue to find the joy and
camaraderie I feel every time a new issue of the Digest appears in the
in-box. Let's all send a collective "Bravo!" (and, perhaps, some nominal sum
of financial support) to ListMaster Charlie Summers. Well done, Charlie, and
likewise to all OTR-related web-site administrators!
    For the actual performers and behind-the-scenes folks who actually worked
in OTR: on behalf of this readership, please permit me to extend a a
deep-felt appreciation  for all your efforts  in the creation of all the
programmes we  now appreciate and argue about; thanks for taking on a noble,
yet precarious, profession that continues to delight us fans.
    For the avid OTR collector: may 2004 be the year you find that one
elusive recording, book, script, transcription disc, or collectible
you've long sought.
    For the OTR author, archivist, and researcher: speaking from first-hand
experience, I'd like for you all to acquire the time, patience, financial
resources, and travel arrangements to pursue your projects in the furtherance
of this truly scholarly field.
    For the OTR convention organizer: continued success!; as the well of
actual OTR performers dwindles, may you forever find inspiration in devising
ways to attract the younger M-TV generation to the wonders of OTR.
    For the OTR convention-goer: more top-notch entertainment and
re-creations in 2004; if you've never attended an OTR convention, you're in
for a treat and lots of good times; if heretofore, your financial situation
and/or family and employment obligations have prevented you  from
participating in these  showcases, may you one day find the resources and
logistics that will allow you to join in the fun!
    For the OTR re-creation clubs: easier access to old scripts and their
performance rights and the drive to encourage  new scriptwriters whose
stories are just waiting to be heard.
    For the OTR archivists and restorers:  a treasure trove of more "lost"
shows for everybody's enjoyment!
    For the OTR dealers: a better year. I keep hearing about how, in this day
and age of MP3s and easy down-loading, the cassette trade is truly hurting.
May you all find new inspiration to re-invent and re-invigorate the hobby of
OTR collecting, the hope that new technologies slow down a trifle, and that
we, the purchasers of cassette tapes and CDs, re-discover the terrific sound
quality of the wares you gallantly purvey.
     In closing, I wish the spirit of the Christmas season moves you  all to
do something extraordinary for someone special in your life like what Andy
Brown did for his goddaughter Arbadella Jones. May you always hold on to some
sort of childlike belief as Santa Claus just like Clifton Finnegan down at
Duffy's.  If you know someone spending Christmas alone, try to bring
Christmas cheer to him or her as Fibber, Molly, and the gang once did for ol'
Doc Gamble. If you find yourself bringing Christmas to the less fortunate as
once Brit Ponset, the Six-Shooter, did for a poor family, may your blessings
in the New Year 2004 be tenfold. And finally, if the misfortunes in your life
have soured you on the true meaning of Christmas as once happened  to Archie,
the Bartender, before he found his "Miracle in Manhattan," just remember that
Sergeant Joe Friday is on the case.
     I have to admit that the spoken-word recording "May You Always,"
recorded by the late Dave Garroway in the 1960s  and made famous in the New
York City area by Top-40 disc jockey Harry Harrison, was incredibly
inspirational in my composition of this essay. Therefore, I feel the most
appropriate way to sign off  is Mr. Garroway's way:
     "Peace."

Derek Tague

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