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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2004 : Issue 411
A Part of the [removed]!
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
for the birds [ Clif Martin <martbart@[removed]; ]
Kemo Sabe a racial slur? [ Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed]; ]
'Kemo Sabe' As a Racial Slur [ skallisjr@[removed] ]
kemo sabay [ Dave Parker <dave@[removed] ]
Re: Kemo Sabe a racial slur? [ lgenco@[removed] ]
"I Was a Commie" as worst program? [ "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback ]
RE: News from Lake Woebegone [ "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback ]
12-29 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Nebbing with "The Nebbs" [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
Paul Sorensen [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
Gildersleeves of Two Worlds [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
RE: Worst Radio Show / Elizabeth's C [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
OTR movies [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
Invisible Man [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
Casey, Crime Photographer [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
Re: Godfrey's gal [ "Paul Adomites" <padomites@ccyberne ]
Automobile-suitable MP3 CD Players [ Timothy Clough <timothy@[removed]; ]
#OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig [ charlie@[removed] ]
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 10:29:01 -0500
From: Clif Martin <martbart@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: for the birds
I must join the small chorus of twittering, tweeting fans of those Hartz
Mountain Canaries. Oh boy, that was unique radio. As for that "wheezing pump
organ" that one of our members so maligned, that was a mighty Wulitzer and
I'll bet there is somebody on the American Theare Organ Society site who
knows who the organist was.
Every time I hear "Tales from the Vienna Woods," the show's theme song, I
hear canaries in my head. Should I check into the nearest rest home?? I will
find one where they play tapes of Tony Wons, Cherrio, Ted Malone, Galen
Drake and the last of the great radio schmaltz voices, Franklyn MacCormack.
He's been dead for maybe 40 years but his memory is so revered that he's
still on the WGN website.
Clif Martin
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:08:27 -0500
From: Tom Greenli <tom_greenli@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Kemo Sabe a racial slur?
Canadian Supreme Court has been asked to determine
whether or not "Kemo Sabe" is a racial slur.
Does anybody know when we all started getting so darn
sensitive? It's getting to the point where you can't
say anything for fear of retribution.
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:09:02 -0500
From: skallisjr@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: 'Kemo Sabe' As a Racial Slur
Leonard Fass observes, anent the thought "kemo sabe" being a racial slur,
that thought is silly and worth no response.
I demur. To newcomers to OTR, the phrase translations may not be known.
"Kemo sabe" was translated as "faithful friend" and "trusty scout." But
the point is that both The Lone Ranger and Tonto addressed each other by
that title. Under those circumstance, which race would have been slurred
if "kemo sabe" had been a slur?
What's important, IMHO, is that a hint of revisionism appears to be
creeping into the legend. Anyone who was a dedicated listener would have
laughed at the suggestion, but newer listeners might buy into the
thought.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:09:45 -0500
From: Dave Parker <dave@[removed];
To: OLD TIME RADIO <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: kemo sabay
Hi Rangers;
I'm bewildered by Dan Hughes note about the Canadian Supreme Court
trying to decide whether or not "Kemo Sabay" is a racial slur. Is
nothing sacred?
"Kemo Sabay" (note the spelling) means "Faithful Friend" and how that
can be interpreted as a "racial slur" staggers the mind. But just to
make sure, I asked Tonto who said -"Canadian Court plenty dumb!"
Kidding aside Rangers, "Kemo Sabay" was a "Tonto Term" describing the
strong friendship he and the Masked Man had for one another. That it
was also the name of a boy's camp in upper [removed] leave to your
imagination.
John Todd himself told me this back in 1948 when I was playing good
guys on the show.
Hi Yo Silver
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:10:20 -0500
From: lgenco@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Kemo Sabe a racial slur?
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 21:17:02 -0500, Dan Hughes told us of a Canadian
court case concerning the "insulting" use of "Kemo Sabe".
Readers might be interested in Fran Striker Jr's comments about "Kemo
Sabe", at [removed]
--
Lou
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 13:18:00 -0500
From: "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "I Was a Commie" as worst program?
Sure much of the show was preposterous, it did have some good writing and
some of radio's best actors supporting it.
Yeah, it obviously had some talented people involved. I guess the real
problem is trying to force what could be an intersting story (though no way
can I see it being an interesting series) into the hardboiled detective
formula. The results are bizarre IMO. Cvetic is Sam Spade, and the commies
are basically rats trapped in a cage clawing each other. It's child's play
for Cvetic to turn them against each other.
Sometimes I wonder if the writers even undrestand how America works. I'm
thinking in particular about a TV episode (though it may have been on radio
too) where Cvetic and the FBI spend the entire episode tracking down a
printing press that is used to turn out radical publications. The printing
press turns out to be hidden under the floor of pawn shop (or some kind of
store). Now I don't know what country these writers were thinking of, but
in this country, you don't have to hide printing presses under shop floors.
This episode would have made a nice propaganda piece for the USSR to show
so called American freedoms were really a charade.
The book you mention sounds fascinating. I'm going to have to get that.
- Philip
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:11:44 -0500
From: "Philip Railsback" <philiprailsback@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: News from Lake Woebegone
Now he is making a movie based on PRAIRIE HOME COMPANION, so
radio might get a treatment similar to Altman's mullti-layered
NASHVILLE. Garrison Keillor's screenplay depicts a fictional
performance of his radio show, blending onstage routines with backstage
subplots of romantic comedy and drama.
Definitely sounds strange, though I'll be looking for it.
Years ago Sydney Pollock (Out of Africa and many others) was going to do a
movie based on Lake Woebegone. It never panned out. I don't know how
Kiellor's great creation has not made it's way to the silver screen, or at
least HBO or something. Keillor would have to provide heavy doses of
narration for it work, however. Jean Shepard did it for "A Christmas Story"
to great affect.
Which reminds me. I've know that there were errors re OTR in "A Christmas
Story", but I don't remember the particulars. I just saw it again on
Christmas eve. Anybody have the skinny on the mistakes?
- Philip
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:12:16 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 12-29 births/deaths
December 29th births
12-29-1892 - Emory Parnell - St. Paul, MN - d. 6-22-1979
actor: Grouch "Grouch Club"; "Eddie Bracken Show"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
12-29-1894 - Harry Lang - NYC - d. 8-3-1953
actor: Mr. Fuddle "Blondie"; Pan Pancho "Cisco Kid"
12-29-1898 - Jules Bledsoe - d. 7-14-1943
baritone: "Jubilee"; "Amalgamated Broadcasting System Inaugural Program"
12-29-1898 - Pat Padgett - Atlanta, GA - d. 2-6-1990
comedian: January "Show Boat"; Pat "Model Minstrels"
12-29-1904 - Wendell Niles - Twin Valley, MN - d. 3-28-1994
announcer: "Bob Hope Show"; "Man Called X"; "Hollywood Star Playhouse"
12-29-1920 - Viveca Lindfors - Uppsala, Sweden - d. 10-25-1995
actress: "[removed] Steel Hour"
December 29th deaths
03-28-1890 - Paul Whiteman - Denver, CO - d. 12-29-1967
conductor: "Kraft Music Hall"; "Burns and Allen"
04-19-1897 - Vivienne Segal - Philadelphia, PA - d. 12-29-1992
actress: "Jantzen Radio Program"
06-27-1892 - Robert Ellis - Brooklyn, NY - d. 12-29-1974
actor: Del Tremaine "Arnold Grimm's Daughter"
09-13-1913 - Roy Engel - MO - d. 12-29-1980
actor:Schuyler 'Sky' King "Sky King" "NBC University Theatre"
12-13-1920 - Don Taylor - Freeport, PA - d. 12-29-1998
actor: "Indiana School of the Sky"; "Family Theatre"; "Hollywood Star Preview"
12-14-1894 - Theo Goetz - d. 12-29-1972
actor: Papa Bauer "The Guiding Light"
12-18-1897 - Fletcher Henderson - Cuthbert, GA - d. 12-29-1952
jazz orchestra leader: "Jubilee"; "Magic Carpet"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:13:33 -0500
From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Nebbing with "The Nebbs"
I wish to make it still to the thread about worst
shows.
"[removed]" <asajb2000@[removed]; wrote
on the subject:
Here are a few additons to the caregory of worst show:
How about the Nebbs? On some of the first episodes,
the announcer says that the program was the number
one show or the most-popular show (paraphrasing here)
or something rediculous. I guess people tuned in the
hear the debut out of curiousity.
[removed] a guy a break! "Jr. Nebb" was one of MY
credits working alongside Gene Lockheart and his wife
Kathleen. I remember being in the MBS studio on
Melrose and holding the curtain shut to an individual
on the other side of it attempting to enter through
the opening in the middle. It turned out that
person was the Lockhart daughter, June who'd come to
see her parent's debut of the show.
Regardless of what one thought of the quality of the
show. It was at least a scale paycheck for us actors
on it.
Oh yeah it's funny but when the announcer said that
comment about it being the "most popular" I seem to
recall what was being commented on was the popularity
of the comic strip, "The Nebbs" as read by the
newpaper
public. I, myself, when I heard the announce read
that line wondered, "How'd they know that?"
CAB
--
conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
Encino, CA
Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 15:17:30 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Paul Sorensen
No response to my previous inquiry, but I imagine a lot of folks are
away from their computers during the holidays, so I'll try again:
Paul Sorensen was a character actor born in 1926; he had small parts
in many movies and tv shows, but I find nothing about radio work,
though his voice sounds like one I've heard on OTR. Does anyone know
of any radio work he did?
Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 20:57:14 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Gildersleeves of Two Worlds
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Happy New Year, Fellow Ether-ians!
Mike Kerezman asked about Throckmorton P. Gildersleeve's wife as she was
referred to invariably onFM&M:
On listening to a number of pre-1941 Fibber Mcgee and molly christmas shows
I've
noticed a number of references to Gildersleeves wife. I was wondering how
this was resolved by the time Gildy moved to Summerfield?
The answer is quite simple, but I shall need briefly to go off-topic &
cross-medium to bring it to you.
In 1951, DC Comics/National Publications retired a bunch of its second-string
superheroes, virtually everybody who wasn't Superman, Batman, or Wonder
Woman. Therefore, the Golden Age versions of the Flash, Green Lantern, and
their buddies in the JSA/Justice Society of America were all mothballed.
Throughout the mid-to-late 1950s, new space-age versions of the Flash, Green
Lantern, et. al. arose, as did a new version of the JSA, viz. the JLA/Justice
League of America.
Comic book readers, however, clamored to see stories in which the new Silver
Age Flash would meet his Hermes-helmeted Golden Age counterpart. Writer
Gardner Fox eventuated their meeting by devising the concept of parallel
earths to qualify why the two Flashes never met each other, thereby
consigning the older Flash (Jay Garrick) to Earth-Two, and the newer one
(Barry Allen) to Earth-One.
But one problem still existed! How could Superman & Batman have had adventures
with both the JSA AND the [removed] Easy, just add a Superman of Earth-Two and a
Batman of Earth-Two into the mix. The Earth-Two Supes was assigned the
long-forgotten early variants from the early days of "Action Comics" such as
battling a red-haired, non-bald Lex Luthor; not having a career as Superboy;
and working for editor George Taylor at the "Daily Star" and not for Perry
White at the "Daily Planet."
Therefore, Mike, the explanation of why the "Fibber McGee" Gildy, who showed
up in various occupations (as was called for script-wise), often referred to
his unseen/unheard wife, and why the more familiar Gildy was a bachelor
raising a niece and nephew. The FM&M Gildersleeve was the Earth-Two
Gildersleeve!
Similarly, the Earth-Two Burns & Allen were not married while their Earth-One
counterparts were; why the Earth-Two Eddie Cantor had Pakyakarkas & the
Earth-One version had the Mad Russian; why the Earth-Two Shadow was only a
narrator; you get the picture
Yours in the Ether of Two Worlds,
Derek
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:33:00 -0500
From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: RE: Worst Radio Show / Elizabeth's Comment
about Radio Versions of Movies / Challange of the Yukon vs. Jack London
I'm sort of surprised that nobody has mentioned Fr. Coughlin's tirades from
the thirties as one of the worst shows ever. When it comes to drama, though,
I remember the Mercedes McCambridge soap, "Family Skeleton." After the first
couple of weeks, it sounded as though the scripts were written on the fly and
passed into the actors' hands before the ink was even dry.
Elizabeth made a comment about some of the radio versions of films done on
shows like "Academy Award Theater" and "Lux Radio Theater." Being just a
young whippersnapper of 41, I suppose I can see where she's coming from, but
as a kid growing up in the forties, I remember that there were just so many
movies I could see in the theater, and there were many that I missed. Also,
at that time there were no DVDs, no VCRs, and no television. Once the movie
was shown for a few weeks it was withdrawn and never seen again. Being one of
John Wayne's most loyal leftwing fans, I look back and realize that I never
saw the cavalry trilogy, "Fort Apache," "She Wore a Yellow Ribbon," and "Rio
Grande" until they came to television many years after they were released.
There were many films that I managed to view in my mind for the first time
because of their radio dramatizations, so I looked forward every week to the
Lux show, although I can't remember if I heard many of its competitors. Even
though I might have seen the picture that was being dramatized, for me the
radio production was a rare chance to "see" it again.
I finally got around to reading Jack London's stuff late in life, and perhaps
it was "Challenge of the Yukon" that set me up to enjoy two of his most
famous stories. Then again, perhaps it was my relationship to Haida, the
Alaskan malamute with whom I lived for 13 years, and who was my best friend
ever. "Call of the Wild" and "White Fang" are mirror images of each other,
with the former being a tale of a domestic dog who moves ever closer to
wildness. When his closest friend [who many of us would call his "master"] is
murdered by marauding Indians, Buck hunts them all down and dispatches them,
before he ultimately becomes totally feral. "White Fang" is a wolf/dog born
in the wild, who ultimately becomes a completely domesticated husband and
father in Silicon Valley [[removed], before silicon was invented there]. I don't
know if either of the stories would have been as captivating to me if I had
read them when I was a kid, before I had been turned on to the adventures of
King, and his friend, Sergeant Preston. Anyhow, I'd recommend both books to
any kid, whether aged 8 or 80 [or anywhere in between].
Thanx,
B. Ray
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:34:01 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR movies
Ruk77@[removed] commented:
thanks for your VAST knowledge, Martin. Can you or anyone else supply the
names of any of the whistler movies or any of the Inner Sanctum movies for
that matter as well. Thanks a million. Happy holidays everyone. And may we
stumble upon a cashe` of new OTR shows this year!
For a neat list of these titles and other OTR-related movies such as CHARLIE
McCARTHY, DETECTIVE, IT'S A JOKE SON, FIBBER McGEE AND MOLLY, etc., check
out [removed]. That's where you can look up such films
as INNER SANCTUM and THE WHISTLER and find a complete list of all the titles
and the years of their release, but of the TV series as well.
Martin
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:34:32 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Invisible Man
Kenneth Clarke asked:
Didn't Claude Rains play the part of the Invisible Man in the movies?
Somehow I always equate his name with that role.
yes, for Universal Studios in 1933. It was a James Whale picture and pushed
the limits of what the cameramen could do with trick photography at the
time, thus impressing the audience and guarenteeing high box office
receipts. Universal did do a series of sequels (including the awful THE
INVISIBLE WOMAN) but it they never succeeded as well as the first film. Out
of curiosity, other than Intellectual Panel Discussion Programs, was THE
INVISIBLE MAN ever dramatized on radio during the Golden Age? Just curious.
Martin
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:34:45 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Casey, Crime Photographer
Not sure if Joe Webb has the broadcast dates but in case he doesn't, here's
a bit more info to add:
"Photo Finish" ==> "Photo of the Dead"; (July 24, 1947, Episode #197)
"White Monster" ==> "Key Witness"; (February 12, 1948, Episode #226)
"Killer's Kid" ==> "Murder in Black & White"; (March 18, 1948, Episode #231)
"Buccaneer's Cove" ==> "Treasure Cave"; (September 25, 1947, Episode #206)
"Dead Pigeon" ==> promo show for Anchor Hocking sales meeting;
"Girl on the Dock" ==> "Serpent Goddess"; (December 4, 1947, Episode #216)
"Old Joe" ==> "Death in Lovers Lane"; (August 7, 1947, Episode #199)
"Victory Garden" ==> "Clue in the Clouds" (February 6, 1944, entitled
Flashgun Casey, Episode #33)
Lastly, the entry Joe mentioned has my curiosity.
"Dangerous Characters" is actually "Christmas Shopping";
There was actually two episodes of the those titles.
"Dangerous Characters" was episode 165, December 12, 1946 and "Christmas
Shopping" was episode 166, December 19, 1946. Could there be two recordings
in circulation and not one?
Martin
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Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:34:56 -0500
From: "Paul Adomites" <padomites@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Godfrey's gal
Don't I remember a Christmas parody -- Deck the Halls with Haleloke?
Paul
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 00:09:03 -0500
From: Timothy Clough <timothy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Automobile-suitable MP3 CD Players
My mother is currently looking for an MP3 CD Player that is suitable for
OTR programs in an automobile. This means, among other things, True
Resume, 32kbps, 22KHz, boombox or in-dash, skip protection, etc. Also,
price is an issue.
Does anybody have any ideas on reasonably priced models? What do you use
in your vehicle (assuming it doesn't cost an arm and a leg)?
Thanks in advance for your help. Free to email me privately, if you wish.
Timothy Clough
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:28:07 -0500
From: charlie@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!
A weekly [removed]
For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
Network, the channel name is #OldRadio. We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
over six years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
real-time OTR talk!
Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
it's always a good time!
For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
week and every week!
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