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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2008 : Issue 18
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Jewish comedians                      [ "Belpedio, Dr. James" <[removed] ]
  Magic Island                          [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
  Three Takes on Fibber                 [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
  Jewish stereoytypes                   [ "Frank McGurn Jr." <[removed]@sbcg ]
  1-19 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  Bob LeMond                            [ Mike Thompson <mthomp86@[removed]; ]
  Re:vic and sade                       [ Grams46@[removed] ]
  This week in radio history 20-26 Jan  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Unofficial Fibber McGee and Molly Ho  [ Al Girard <24agirard24@[removed] ]
  Jewish Radio CD                       [ Russ Butler <songbook2@[removed]; ]
  Re: Fibber & Molly                    [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
  allan melvin                          [ Afanofoldradio@[removed] ]
  When geography became history         [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
  re: Jewish characters                 [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
  1-20 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:12:00 -0500
From: "Belpedio, Dr. James" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jewish comedians
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We might point out that Bob Hope, Jim and Marian Jordan and Edgar Bergen also
were not Jewish, assuming of course that we can include them among the best of
the radio comedians.

James Belpedio
Becker College
Worcester, MA

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:12:11 -0500
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: oldtimeradio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Magic Island

Does this serial have 128 episodes or 130? Some sites have 128 listed but 130
episodes are at [removed] Maybe there's two repeats there?

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:12:37 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Three Takes on Fibber
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FUNNY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT JEWISH

Ace publicity man  Sean Dougherty wrote:

Comedian Carl Reiner is quoted today in the Seattle Post-Intelligencer about
Jewish comedians and noted that "except for Fred Allen" all the best radio
comedians were Jewish.

Gracie Allen and Lucille Ball might beg to differ but it still makes for
interesting reading.

As for funny Gentiles on-the-air, let's not forget Stan Freberg (the "-berg"
in his case is of Scandinavain origin);
also, Jim & Marion Jordan, radio's "Fibber McGee and Molly.".

CUE THE ZITHER MUSIC

Kermyt Anderson responded to a previous post;

<snip>  but this is the first time I've
ever heard anybody imply that "The Third Man" is not a good film. The
film was rated by the British Film Institute as the greatest British
film ever made

Here, here! The Anton Karas themes music alone is worth the admission. This
movie seemed to spawn a zither
music craze.  Wasn't Fibber McGee inspired to take up playing one?

THE WRECK OF THE "WISTFUL VISTA"

John Hetherington, quoting the aforementioned Jim Jordan, posited:

"Fibber McGee and Molly was (pause), there was a lot of fantasy. (It)
Took place in a mythical town, of course, called Wistful Vista. This town was
mythical and the street they lived on was mythical. Wistful Vista was not a
small town either. It was a huge metropolis if we wanted it to be. It was
anything we wanted it to be."

"Wistful Vista" was also a name appropriated from FM&M for an ill-fated  WWII
aeroplane, which acccording to this
aviation-themed link:  [removed]   was "a
B-24 of the 706th Bomb Squadron."

That's about the size of it.

Derek Tague

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:13:20 -0500
From: "Frank McGurn Jr." <[removed]@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jewish stereoytypes
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Does anybody out there know of a Jewish
protagonist who was just a regular hero (who spoke non accented
English)

  I know ther must be many , but Sydney Smith who was cast as Abie in Abie's
Irish Rose. no accent because he was 2nd generation. Others play Abie too.

  Those us who grew up in cities like Chicago or New York were use to Jewish
accents, because we probably came in contact with Jewish Taylors, store
keepers, Doctors, Lawyers ETC.

Frank McGurn

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:13:26 -0500
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  1-19 births/deaths

January 19th births

01-19-1809 - Edgar Allan Poe - Boston, MA - d. 10-7-1849
author: Several of his works adapted for radio
01-19-1866 - Harry Davenport - NYC - d. 8-9-1949
actor: "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Family Theatre"
01-19-1886 - Samuel Pettengill - Oregon - d. 3-20-1974
conservatice commentator: Weekly 15 minute program on ABC
01-19-1887 - Alexander Woollcott - Phalanx, NJ - d. 1-23-1943
commentator: "Early Bookworm"; "Town Crier"
01-19-1905 - Anne Hummert - Baltimore, MD - d. 7-5-1996
producer: "Backstage Wife"; "American Album of Familiar Music"
01-19-1905 - Oveta Kulp Hobby (Hobbe) - Killeen, TX - d. 8-16-1995
first commanding officer of the wacs: "Meet the Press"
01-19-1906 - Lanny Ross - Seattle, WA - d. 4-25-1988
singer: "Lanny Ross Program"; "Maxwell House Show Boat"
01-19-1908 - Ish Kabibble (Merwyn Bogue) - Erie, PA - d. 6-4-1994
comedian: "Kay Kyser's Kollege of Musical Knowledge"
01-19-1909 - Merrill E. Joels - Hartford, CT - d. 9-5-2001
actor: "Counterspy"; "Aunt Jenny"; "The Big Story"
01-19-1909 - Norman Barry - St. Louis, MO - d. 12-25-1997
announcer: "Dan Harding's Wife"
01-19-1910 - Jaime Del Valle - d. 9-16-1981
producer, director: "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar"; "Count of Monte
Cristo"
01-19-1913 - Edward M. Asherman - d. 7-1-2005
composer/guitarist/singer: Xavier Cugat Orchestra
01-19-1916 - Marion Sweet - d. 7-17-1978
actor: Dragon Lady "Terry and the Pirates"
01-19-1919 - Ray Eberle - Hoosick Falls, NY - d. 8-25-1979
singer: "Glenn Miller and His Orchestra"; "Glenn Miller's Moonlight
Serenade"
01-19-1922 - Guy Madison - Pumpkin Center, CA - d. 2-6-1996
actor: Wild Bill Hickok "Wild Bill Hickok"
01-19-1927 - Nancy Dickerson - Wauwatosa, WI - d. 10-18-1997
newswoman: "784 Days That Changed America (Watergate Scandal)
01-19-1927 - Peter Fernandez - NYC
actor: George Bigelow "The Aldrich Family"; "Skip "Right to Happiness"
01-19-1928 - "Little" Jimmie Sizemore
singer with father Asher: "Grand Old Opry"
01-19-1931 - Robert MacNeil - Montreal, Canada
newscaster: CBC Canada
01-19-1931 - Tippi Hedren - New Ulm, MN
actor: "World's Fair Holiday"
01-19-1932 - George Mann MacBeth - Lanarkshire, Scotland - d. 2-16-1992
poet, producer: BBC Radio
01-19-1939 - Phil Everly - Chicago, IL
singer: (The Everly Brothers) "March of Dimes"; "Country Hoedown"

January 19th deaths

01-20-1898 - Norma Varden - London, England - d. 1-19-1989
actor: "Crime Classics"; "NBC University Theatre"
01-22-1914 - Joy Hodges - Des Moines, IA - d. 1-19-2003
vocalist; "The Joe Penner Show"
01-28-1886 - Hidetsugu Yagi - Osaka, Japan - d. 1-19-1976
radio antenna designer
03-10-1918 - Laddie Seaman - Reading, PA - d. 1-19-1942
actor: Scoop Ward "News of Youth"; Biff Bradley "Pepper Young's Family"
04-18-1908 - Irra Petina - Petrograd, Russia - d. 1-19-2000
singer: "The Railroad Hour"
04-22-1920 - Hal March - San Francisco, CA - d. 1-19-1970
comedian: Matt Henshaw "December Bride"; Mr. Cook "Too Many Cooks"
05-16-1916 - Adriana Caselotti - Bridgeport, CT - d. 1-19-1997
singer: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
05-26-1884 - Charles Winninger - Athens, WI - d. 1-19-1969
actor: Captain Henry "Show Boat"; Uncle Charlie "Uncle Charlie's Tent
Show"
05-31-1904 - Clifton Utley - Chicago, IL - d. 1-19-1978
newsman: (Father of Garrick) "Comments by Clifton Utley"
07-08-1917 - Glenn Langan - Denver, CO - d. 1-19-1991
actor: "Chuck Morgan "Stand By For Crime"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
08-04-1898 - Hugh O'Connell - d. 1-19-1943
actor, comedian: "Vanity Fair"
09-05-1879 - Harold Sanford - Florence, MA - d. 1-19-1945
conductor: "Philco Hour"; "Exploring America with Carveth Wells"
09-11-1887 - Gus Arnheim - Philadelphia, PA - d. 1-19-1955
orchestra leader: "Woodbury Soap Show"
10-18-1913 - Martin Blaine - Illinois - d. 1-19-1989
actor: Adam Sheppard "FBI in Peace and War"; Scott 'Tubby' Truman
"Valiant Lady"
11-09-1913 - Hedy Lamarr - Vienna, Austria - d. 1-19-2000
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
11-17-1917 - Byron Keith - Illinois - d. 1-19-1996
Started his career in radio in Boise, Idaho in the 1930s
12-28-1887 - Charles Dingle - Wabash, IN - d. 1-19-1956
actor: Employer "Meet the Dixons"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:14:59 -0500
From: Mike Thompson <mthomp86@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bob LeMond

I am saddened to report the death of legendary
announcer, Bob LeMond, who was 94.  He did lots of
early television announcing, but I remember him so
vividly and personally when I used to visit the
radio
program, "Our Miss Brooks".

Well, that's certainly sad news. I'm most familiar
with him from doing the announcing and commercials on
"My Favorite Husband." (And actually, he has a unique
place in TV history too, being the very first voice
heard on the pilot episode of "I Love Lucy.") I can
hear him now, singing the praises of "smooth as cream"
Jello puddings.

Mike

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:15:08 -0500
From: Grams46@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re:vic and sade

kclarke5@[removed] wrote:

Stereotypes of other  characters were also easily found.  What about
Southern (Senator  Claghorn, "Vic and Sade", "Sam and Henry", [removed]),

from kathy:
vic and sade lived in illinois - they were from the  middle west as sade used
to say.
i have never seen thought of them as a stereotype - they were quite  unique.

peace from kathy
support our troops; end the war
john  3:16

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:15:13 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  This week in radio history 20-26 Jan

 From Those Were The Days --

1/20

1954 - The National Negro Network was formed on this date. Some 40 radio
stations were charter members of the network.

1/21

1927 - The first opera to be broadcast over a national radio network was
presented in Chicago, IL. Listeners heard selections from Faust.

1946 - The Fat Man debuted on ABC. J. Scott Smart, who played the portly
detective, weighed in at 270 pounds in real life.

1/22

1956 - Raymond Burr starred as Captain Lee Quince in the Fort Laramie
debut on CBS. The program was said to be in "the Gunsmoke tradition."

1/23

1937 - In an article published in Literary Digest, Edgar Bergen
mentioned that he made his dummy pal, Charlie McCarthy, the beneficiary
of a $10,000 trust fund to keep him in serviceable condition and repair.

1/24

1930 - Ben Bernie (Benjamin Anzelwitz) began a weekly remote broadcast
from the lovely Roosevelt Hotel in NYC.

1942 - Abie's Irish Rose was first heard on NBC this day replacing
Knickerbocker Playhouse. The program was based on the smash play from
Broadway that ran for nearly 2,000 performances. Sydney Smith played the
part of Abie. Rosemary Murphy was played by Betty Winkler.

1/25

1937 - NBC presented the first broadcast of The Guiding Light.

1944 - The character, a black maid named Beulah and played by a white
man, Marlin Hurt, aired for the first time on Fibber McGee and Molly.
The spinoff, Beulah, became a radio series in 1945.

1/26

1947 - The Greatest Story Ever Told was first heard on ABC.

Joe

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:15:34 -0500
From: Al Girard <24agirard24@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Unofficial Fibber McGee and Molly Home Page

The server that hosts the Unofficial Fibber McGee and Molly Home Page
has been down for more than a week now.  I've been told that it has
essentially died, and staff has been working to install a new unit and to
move all of the files over.

It's been frustrating to say the least.  When I try to log on via ftp I get a
an "access denied" prompt, and I see that the site is now not available.

Al Girard

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:16:15 -0500
From: Russ Butler <songbook2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jewish Radio CD

Reading Stuart Lubin's post about listening to WEVD's Yiddish broadcasts
reminds me of a CD in my collection about old time Jewish American
radio,  "Kapelye On The Air"  (also a cassette on the Shanachiee label,
released in 1995).

WEVD broadcasts are recreated, as are different shows from other early
radio stations that programmed Jewish / Yiddish shows.  Interesting and
entertaining listening to revisit the 1930's 1940's radio broadcasts.
Shalom!

=Russ Butler  songbook2@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:17:01 -0500
From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Fibber & Molly

I hope someone can answer this question for me.  I found a site that shows
radio station air time slots, for different network  programing, and local
programing. For example. In Chicago, on Tuesday, December  the 2nd, 1941, it
shows
Fibber, and Molly on at 8:30 PM, CST. If I go to Los  Angeles, and search the
same time slot, the same day, not only is Fibber, and  Molly not there in that
time slot, it is not even there on that day, and date,  for any time slot.

My question is: Were radio stations then, unlike  network TV stations today,
allowed to air a particular network show, at any time  they chose, on any day
they chose? I even went so far as to check the days  before, and after in Los
Angeles, with no results there either. A total mystery  to me.

Charlie

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:17:25 -0500
From: Afanofoldradio@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  allan melvin
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Allan Melvin, Sam the butcher from "The Brady Bunch" has died at 85 of
cancer. He appeared on "Arthur Godfrey's Talent Scouts" in the  1950'[removed]
ed
kienzler springfield Illinois

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 17:18:50 -0500
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  When geography became history

Chris Holm mused:

when the locale in one episode is
radically different from the locale in a different episode, I always
find it a tad jarring.  It breaks the illusion for me, and hampers my
suspension of disbelief.

Which brought to mind how ad agency Benton and Bowles, representing the
General Foods account for When a Girl Marries, dealt with creator-writer
Elaine Sterne Carrington, a dominant, possessive woman who controlled a
great deal of "her" show.

Seeking to avoid the very thing that Mr. Holm suggests, the agency
constructed an elaborate, quite expensive papier-mache model of Stanwood,
the fictitious town in which hero and heroine Harry and Joan Davis resided
on WAGM.  Inviting Carrington to view the new treasure of which they were
profoundly proud, agency executives pointed out that the model would help
them know at once if any positional errors were occurring in Carrington's
scripts. The wordsmith gave tacit approval of the concept before moving on.

That wasn't the end of it, however.  Within a few weeks, one day Harry
purchased a farm in nearby Beechwood (notably, a hamlet without a
papier-mache layout).  Ostensibly because he feared the social whirl of
Stanwood might threaten his marriage due to a wide chasm between his and his
spouse's backgrounds, Harry moved his wife to the Beechwood farm where she
soon presented him with a son, Sammy.

And as Carrington continued to dictate more lines of dialogue into her
recording machine for a secretary to type into completed scripts, she did so
with the complete assurance that WAGM, including the Davises, Beechwood, the
nearby environs -- plus Benton and Bowles -- were neatly tucked into her
pocket, along with the quarter-million-dollars she was getting for it and
two added daytime serials (Rosemary, Pepper Young's Family).  It would take
much more than a little matter like geography to tie this woman down.

Jim Cox

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:04:17 -0500
From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  re: Jewish characters

Jim Harmon <jimharmonotr@[removed]; wrote
And while Mr. Kitzel said it Yiddish, the star of the show,
Jack Benny, was All-American.

This reminds me of something I've often wondered. Did Americans at the
time realize Jack Benny was Jewish? Or, for that matter, George Burns?
Certain comedians and artists made no secret of their Jewish
identities--Eddie Cantor and Al (Asa) Jolson come to mind. But I can't
remember Jack or George's Jewish backgrounds ever being mentioned on
the air. At Christmas, they both decorated Christmas trees and gave
Christmas presents. And they both ate ham sandwiches and bacon (or
complained during wartime shortages if ham or bacon weren't available).
These things were not done with any sort of irony on the air. Did the
public know they were actually Jewish? Was it sort of an open secret,
like the fact that Jack and Mary were actually married, which clearly
many people knew even though it wasn't part of their on-air personas?
Or was it simply not talked about?

Kermyt

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Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 22:04:55 -0500
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  1-20 births/deaths

January 20th births

01-20-1878 - Finlay Currie - Edinburgh, Scotland - d. 5-9-1968
actor: John H. Watson "BBC Home Theatre"
01-20-1894 - Harold Gray - Kankakee, IL - d. 5-9-1968
cartoonist: Creater of "Little Orphan Annie"
01-20-1895 - Roscoe Ates - Grange, MS - d. 3-1-1962
stuttering comedian: "Shell Chateau"; "Comedy Stars of Hollywood"
01-20-1896 - George Burns - NYC - d. 3-9-1996
comedian: "Advs. of Gracie"; "George Burns and Gracie Allen Show"
01-20-1896 - Rolfe Sedan - NYC - d. 9-15-1982
actor: "Escape"; "Suspense"; "Mystery in the Air"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
01-20-1898 - Norma Varden - London, England - d. 1-19-1989
actor: "Crime Classics"; "NBC University Theatre"
01-20-1898 - Tudor Owen - Wales, UK - d. 3-13-1979
actor: Jocko Madigan "Pat Novak for Hire"; Editor "Alias Jane Doe"
01-20-1899 - Joseph Buloff - Vilnius, Lithuania - d. 2-27-1985
actor: Barney Glass "House of Glass"
01-20-1900 - Colin Clive - [removed], France - d. 6-26-1937
actor: "Hollywood Hotel"
01-20-1903 - Leon Ames - Portland, IN - d. 10-10-1993
actor: "Earplay"; "Screen Guild Theatre"; "Screen Director's Playhouse"
01-20-1912 - Paula Stone - NYC - d. 12-23-1997
moderator: "Leave It to the Girls"
01-20-1914 - Roy Plomley - Kingston-upon-Thames, England - d. 5-28-1985
announcer: Desert Island Discs"; "We Beg to Differ"; "One Minute Please"
01-20-1920 - DeForest Kelley - Atlanta, GA - d. 6-11-1999
actor: "Suspense"
01-20-1922 - Connie Haines - Savannah, GA
singer: "Abbott and Costello Show"; "Rhapsody in Rhythm"
01-20-1922 - Ray Anthony - Bentleyville, PA
band eader: Band remotes for CBS 1951-1952
01-20-1926 - Patricia Neal - Packard, KY
actor: "Hollywood Star Preview"

January 20th deaths

01-27-1914 - Alexander Albert Avola - Boston, MA - d. 1-20-2000
guitarist/arranger: Artie Shaw Orchestra; Tommy Dorsey Orchestra
02-18-1903 - Jacques Fray - Paris, France - d. 1-20-1963
pianist, disc jockey: "Fray and Braggiotti"
03-17-1918 - Bill Felton - Greenland, MI - d. 1-20-2005
newscaster, disc jockey: "Valley Varieties"; "Recreation Room"
04-06-1927 - Gerry Mulligan - NYC - d. 1-20-1996
jazz saxophonist: "Sound of Jazz"; "White House Jazz Festival";
"Voice of Vista"
05-03-1880 - Horace Murphy - Finley, TN - d. 1-20-1975
actor: Buckskin Blodgett "Red Ryder"
05-04-1929 - Audrey Hepburn - Brussels, Belguim - d. 1-20-1993
actor: "[removed] Story"; "Stagestruck"
05-29-1894 - Beatrice Lillie - Toronto, Canada - d. 1-20-1989
commedienne: "Beatrice Lillie Show"
06-02-1904 - Johnny Weissmuller - Windber, PA - d. 1-20-1984
actor: Movie Tarzan and Jungle Jim
06-05-1907 - D'Artega - Silao, Mexico - d. 1-20-1998
conductor, composer: "Enna Jettick Melodies"
07-11-1922 - Bernard Punsly - NYC - d. 1-20-2004
actor: (The Dead End Kids) "Texaco Star Playhouse"
07-16-1907 - Barbara Stanwyck - Brooklyn, NY - d. 1-20-1990
actor: "Prudential Family Hour of Stars"; "This Is My Story"
08-05-1917 - Don Stanley - Stoughton, WI - d. 1-20-2003
announcer: "Advs. of Nero Wolfe"; "Out of the Deep"; "The Saint"
09-14-1890 - Anthony Frome - Bellaire, OH - d. 1-20-1962
as "The Poet Prince" he sang and read poetry over NBC Blue in early
1930s
10-24-1891 - Nila Mack - Arkansas City, KS - d. 1-20-1953
director: "Helen and Mary"; "Let's Pretend"
11-14-1906 - Mercer McCloud - d. 1-20-1993
actor: Fran Cummings "Second Husband"
11-14-1913 - George Smathers - Atlantic City, NJ - d. 1-20-2007
[removed] senator from florida: "Meet the Press"
11-26-1911 - Robert Donley - Carmichaels, PA - d. 1-20-2004
actor: "Lieutenant Carpenter "Front Page Farrell"
12-05-1922 - Alan Freed - Johnstown, PA - d. 1-20-1965
disc jockey: "Moondog Show"; "Alan Freed Show"; "Camel Rock and Roll
Party"

Ron Sayles
Dairy State Hall of Fame
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