Subject: [removed] Digest V2006 #129
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2006 : Issue 129
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  5-10 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  What Does the "C" Stand For?          [ "Stuart Lubin" <StuartLubin@[removed] ]
  Color or black and white              [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
  Disclaimers, Etc.                     [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@j ]
  Monochrome and Polychrome             [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@j ]
  Your Comment on the 'C' of 'CBS' in   [ Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed] ]
  Bobby Ramsen/"The Eternal Light"      [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
  bob readick                           [ Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed]; ]
  Mr. Brown and CBS RMT                 [ "Ryan O." <rosentowski@[removed]; ]
  Whooo's Houdini?                      [ Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@sbcglob ]
  You got some 'splainin to do!         [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  Re: B&W vs Color                      [ Timothy Clough <timothy@[removed]; ]
  Limiting vision in the Mind's Eye?    [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  STEPHEN --                            [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
  OTR on radio today                    [ Keith Johnson <citnashjeep@comcast. ]
  Dick Tracy log                        [ "Bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed]; ]

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Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 23:03:39 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  5-10 births/deaths

May 10th births

05-10-1882 - Thurston Hall - Boston, MA - d. 2-20-1958
actor: Jim Hanvey "The Townsend Murder Mystery"
05-10-1884 - Olga Petrova - Tur Brook, England - d. 11-30-1977
actor, writer: "Mary Margaret McBride"
05-10-1888 - Max Steiner - Vienna, Austria - d. 12-28-1971
composer: "Lux Radio Theatre"
05-10-1889 - Mae Murray - Portsmouth, VA - d. 3-23-1963
actor: "Your Unseen Friend"
05-10-1894 - Dimitri Tiomkin - St. Petersburg, Russia - d. 11-11-1979
composer, conductor: "Last Man Out"; "1947 March of Dimes Campaign"
05-10-1894 - Frank Knight - St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada - d.
10-18-1973
actor, announcer: Dr. Billbert "Arabesque"; "Literary Digest"
05-10-1899 - Fred Astaire - Omaha, NE - d. 6-22-1987
dancer, actor: "Fred Astaire Show"
05-10-1899 - Lois Holmes - Galion, OH - d. 3-12-1986
actor: Jane Waters "Second Mrs. Burton"
05-10-1902 - David O. Selznick - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 6-22-1965
film producer: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Bud's Bandwagon"
05-10-1907 - Pee Wee Hunt - Mount Healthy, OH - d. 6-22-1979
composer: "The Hoagy Carmichael Show"
05-10-1909 - Maybelle Carter - Nickelsville, VA - d. 10-23-1978
singer: (Queen of Country Music) "Grand Ole Opry"
05-10-1911 - Lee Sullivan - NYC - d. 5-29-1981
singer: "Vest Pocket Varieties"; "Serenade to America"
05-10-1914 - Charles McGraw - NYC - d. 7-30-1980
actor: Ken Thurston "Man Called X", "Dragnet"; "Suspense"
05-10-1917 - Margo - Mexico City, Mexico - d. 7-17-1985
actor: (Wife of Eddie Albert) "Suspense"; "Free Company"; "Texaco
Star Theatre"
05-10-1921 - Nancy Walker - Philadelphia, PA - d. 3-25-1992
actor: "Mail Call"
05-10-1922 - Mary Small - Baltimore, MD
singer: (Little Miss Bab-O) "Little Miss Bab-O's Surprise Party"
05-10-1930 - Scott Muni - Wichita, KS - d. 9-28-2004
disc jockey: "Scott Muni's World of Rock"; "Ticket to Ride"
05-10-1937 - Arthur Kopit - NYC
writer: "Earplay"

May 10th deaths

01-02-1918 - Joan Merrill - Baltimore, MD - d. 5-10-1992
singer: "The Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy Show"
01-05-1901 - George Price - NYC - d. 5-10-1964
actor: "Hildegarde's Raleigh Room"
01-25-1920 - Roy Rowan - d. 5-10-1998
announcer: "Escape"; "Gunsmoke"; "Rogers of the Gazette"; "Young Love"
02-03-1883 - Clarence Mulford - Streator, IL - d. 5-10-1956
creator of Hopalong Cassidy
02-06-1913 - John Lund - Rochester, NY - d. 5-10-1992
actor: Johnny Dollar "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar"; Chaplain Jim
"Chaplain Jim"
02-07-1895 - Irving Aaronson - NYC - d. 5-10-1963
bandleader: "Irving Aaronson and His Orchestra"
02-13-1932 - Susan Oliver - NYC - d. 5-10-1990
actor: "Zero Hour"
03-23-1905 - Joan Crawford - San Antonio, TX - d. 5-10-1977
actor: "Arch Oboler's Plays"; "Everyman's Theatre"; "Screen Guild
Theatre"
06-28-1914 - Lester Flatt - Overton County, TN - d. 5-10-1979
bluegrass guitarist: (Flatt and Scruggs) "Martha White Biscuit Time";
"Grand Ole Opry"
07-08-1918 - Craig Stevens - Liberty, MO - d. 5-10-2000
actor: "Hollywood Radio Theatre"
08-11-1867 - Joe Weber - NYC - d. 5-10-1940
comedian: (Weber and Fields) "The Eveready Hour"; "George Jessel Show"
10-04-1929 - Scotty Beckett - Oakland, CA - d. 5-10-1968
actor: Chester A. Riley, Jr. "Life of Riley"
11-22-1910 - Ethel Smith - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 5-10-1996
organist: "Your Hit Parade"
12-02-1917 - Sylvia Syms - NYC - d. 5-10-1992
actor: "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar"; "Broadway Is My Beat"; "Suspense"
12-31-1905 - Dick Chevillat - NYC - d. 5-10-1984
writer: "Phil Harris/Alice Faye Show"; "Rudy Vallee Show"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Birthplace of Vivian Fridell

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 00:03:35 -0400
From: "Stuart Lubin" <StuartLubin@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  What Does the "C" Stand For?

When you come right down to it, it is certainly not without reason that
someone, especially a younger OTR fan, listening only to later broadcasts,
might not know that the "C" in CBS would stand for Columbia. In the later
years of radio, the sign-off changed from "This is the Columbia Broadcasting
System." to "This is the [removed] Radio Network." If they would watch the
television screen today, they would see only "[removed]" and perhaps "[removed]
Corporation" in the fine print. Columbia is no longer used.

Stuart Lubin

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:26:14 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Color or black and white

Date: Mon, 8 May 2006 19:43:33 -0400
From: "David Ballarotto" <balla@[removed];

When you're listening to a radio show, are the mental images in your
head in color or black and white? For me, it depends on the show, and
not necessarily based on whether or not there was a TV version.

When I was a child, back in the 1950s, I often saw a TV show before I
heard the radio version.  I generally started out imagining those
shows in black and white, but I believe I eventually started to have
some color images of them, too.  I definitely remember having some
color images of radio episodes of Space Patrol.

I gradually began to imagine the Lone Ranger in color, too.  At the
show opening, when the LR says "Hiyo Silver," and Fred Foy does his
speech, I always imagined the scene as it appears on TV, but I think
I eventually began to imagine it with some color.

I think I eventually imagined the Howdy Doody radio show in color,
too.  This may be because of the many Howdy Doody premiums, comic
books, etc. which enabled me to think of the characters in color,
despite seeing them daily in black and white.

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 Fax [removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:12:00 -0400
From: charlie@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

A weekly [removed]

For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
real-time OTR talk!

Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
it's always a good time!

For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
week and every week!

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:06:13 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Disclaimers, Etc.

Bob C., in his comments on the CBS Radio Mystery Theater, noted a
disclaimer he saw from an eBay seller.

"I am in accordance with Ebay policies concerning selling Public Domain
material. All material contained on these CD's are in Public Domain as
per original broadcast on the open radio frequencies back in the day. ...
My personal collection came from other collectors and not purchased from
CBS. I am not offering or
representing any copyrighted material as my own. If you have written
proof that any of these files are not Public Domain and copyright
protected, please notify me and I will work to remove the auctions upon
review of notification. All of my recordings are sold for private
listening enjoyment only."

Some time ago, I saw an item on eBay: a DVD version of a film based on an
OTR show that at the time was apparently still under protection.  The
seller had an image for his jewel case that was anachronistic for the
time the film was released.  I sent an inquiry about the image, and
received a response saying, approximately, "I created the image.  Since
the film is in public domain, I have the right to make any image I want
to."

I pointed out that, as far as I knew, the was not in public domain, and
cited my reasons for such belief.  The seller never responded to me, not
was the listing altered.

>From what I understand, eBay is particularly sensitive to sales of copied
material being in public domain.  But apparently, a simple declaration
that an item for sale is in public domain is all that's required for a
listing.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:06:56 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Monochrome and Polychrome

Karen Lerner, speaking of visualizing OTR shows, notes,

I took an informal poll here at Radio Spirits.
60% of us visualize the shows in color,
while 40% visualize the shows in black and white.

This brings up an interesting thought: why would anybody visualize a show
in monochrome?  My tentative answer: I suspect it might represent the
ways people experienced other forms of mass media.  For instance, shows
based on newspaper comic strips were presented mostly in monochrome, so
perhaps some listeners visualized the radio adventures that way.
Likewise, OTR shows with significant film tie-ins might reflect the
films' chromacity -- [removed], a monochrome film series ([removed], Tarzan) might
cause monochrome imagery in some listeners' minds.

Also, for those whose childhood encompassed both early television and OTR
might visualize the old shows through a monochrome filter, as that's how
television was for many years.

Speaking personally, I always visualize everything in color.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:15:35 -0400
From: Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Your Comment on the 'C' of 'CBS' in the OTR

I seemed to have missed a couple of digests, so I'm not sure who posted this
comment, quoted by Stephen Kallis >>

Guess that's what I get for trusting in the public schools.

Whoever wrote it: that is a cheap, irrelevant shot at one of the most
important institutions in our society.

I don't have kids, but I gladly pay taxes (and support bond issues) to make
my community's public schools as good as they are. (For what it's worth,
graduates from our local public schools include Warren Beatty and Katie
Couric!)

I went to public school. I know what the C in CBS stands for. I can do long
division. I have an advanced degree and a job that requires me to interview
PhD scientists practically every day.

If your public schools aren't good - and many aren't - it might be because
you as a parent, taxpayer and citizen - aren't doing enough to support your
local school.

But the larger society is at fault, too. We don't do much to attract the best
and the brightest into teaching. Starting salaries could be better, but it's
more than money. It's prestige, working conditions, respect.

It's a cliche, but it's still true: if you can read this, thank a teacher.

-Art-

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:16:31 -0400
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bobby Ramsen/"The Eternal Light"
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I've been enjoying the relatively new book "The Eternal Light: An Unauthorized
Guide" by Eli Segal, which I bought at the Cincinnati OTR convention. My good
pal Bobby Ramsen was pleased to learn that his name appeared in this book as
"Robert Ramsen" under the listing for the episode titled "The Black Death,"
which originally aired on November 5th, 1944, andh also co-starred a pre-"Dr.
No" Joseph Wiseman, and was announced by the notorious "Tex" Antoine, who was
later a scandal-plagued TV weatherman here in the NYC market.

Bobby is very much interested in acquiring an audio copy of this OTR show as
well as any others in which he and/or his brother Al Ramsen appeared. Just for
the sake of  some background, Bobby Ramsen started out as a child actor on the
NYC stage and in radio ("Dick Tracy," "Congressional Medal of Honor," et.
al.); has been a professional comedian for over 50 years; and was a
semi-regular stock player on TV's  "The Bob Newhart Show" in the 1970s. He was
friends with Hal Stone back in the day.

If anybody reading this has the aforementioned "The Eternal Light: The Black
Death" or any other shows with Bobby in them and cares to avail them to Bobby,
please contact me off-list at derek@[removed] <mailto:derek@[removed];   .

Thanks from the ether!

Derek Tague

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 09:19:37 -0400
From: Joseph Webb <drjoewebb@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  bob readick

does anyone have a jpeg of bob readick they can send me. we're looking for
pictures of actors who played johnny dollar

thanks

joe webb

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:17:49 -0400
From: "Ryan O." <rosentowski@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Mr. Brown and CBS RMT

Following up on Bob Cockrum's recent comments regarding Hyman Brown and the
Radio Mystery Theater, I remember being disappointed when I heard an
interview with Hyman and discovered just how bitter he seemed. I was even
more surprised when I heard him impart an untruth to the interviewer.

The interviewer asked him where the music came from that was used in the
Mystery Theater. Brown claimed that all of the music had been especially
composed for the RMT. This just isn't true. I've heard much of the exact
same music played in old television shows such as Perry mason, The Twilight
Zone, Gunsmoke, Rawhide and others.

If I remember correctly, CBS had an entire library of music that they used
for their old TV shows. I'm sure that's where Brown got it. I do wonder if
any of that music is still available anywhere.

RyanO

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:18:35 -0400
From: Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Whooo's Houdini?

"R. R. King" quoted a news article of decades past:

The disturbance in the Houdina Company's office arose when
Houdini went there to protest about the use of his name.

The entertaining thing about this story is, of course, that Harry Houdini
derived his own stage name from that the famous French magician Jean Eugene
Robert-Houdin,  whose widow refused to meet with the escape artist.

Michael Shoshani
Chicago

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:19:00 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  You got some 'splainin to do!

From: "Ted Kneebone" _tkneebone1@[removed]_
(mailto:tkneebone1@[removed])

..."CBS Radio Mystery Theatre ...
This show was old time radio  produced in modern [removed]

Dear Ted-

Huh?

Best,
-Craig

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:19:14 -0400
From: Timothy Clough <timothy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: B&W vs Color

I asked the same question a while back (2 or 3 years ago?), and I got
exactly one response. That response, however, thought it was a good
question.

My answer is: It depends. Some shows are in Black & White, [removed], Lum &
Abner, Fibber McGee & Molly, Our Miss Brooks; some are in Color, [removed],
Gunsmoke, Burns & Allen, Phil Harris / Alice Faye. And, some shows are
"It depends.", varying from epsisode to episode; [removed], Suspense, Escape,
Jack Benny. Actually for Jack Benny, the old episodes (pre- Jell-O) are
in Black & White, the younger episodes (Lucky Strikes) are in Color, and
  the "in between" episodes are variable.

Timothy Clough

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 11:19:44 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Limiting vision in the Mind's Eye?

From: "David Ballarotto" <balla@[removed];
Subject:  Do  you listen in color or black and white?

Dear David, & imagination theatergoers-

This was the topic of much debate a few years back (was it here, or on the
"Modern" Radio list?) Always stuck me as [removed]

For the most part, dramas done in audio form are posited as happening  in the
Real World; therefore, I "see" them as such - in full color. And in  3-D.

Unless, of course, a play is written specifically suggesting otherwise:
describing itself as a scene from an old movie, etc. As I recall, some folks
in
that earlier debate even spoke of seeing the story through a proscenium arch!
In  my case, that'd only happen if the play said it was a PLAY.

[removed]
-Craig

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 13:24:31 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  STEPHEN --

[removed] is a marvelous Site for old movies that have never
been released in the US.

The Jack Armstrong ring is worth a fortune.

[removed]

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 14:57:53 -0400
From: Keith Johnson <citnashjeep@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR on radio today

I have 2 questions.

I work at a small, low-power volunteer radio station in northeastern
Illinois. We've been on the air since September, and we're doing great.
Because everyone works real jobs and has real lives, we don't have
anyone doing a shift from 12-2 weekdays. I approached the station
manager about doing rebroadcasts of OTR and they said "go for it."

I've spoken to a few OTR mavens and got the impression that they were
not enthused with my idea. I'm not sure why. Is there a reason OTR
folks dislike having radio stations rebroadcast OTR? I don't mean to
step on any toes, so I thought I'd ask. We're a not-for-profit station,
so this isn't a situation where we're getting income from other
peoples' past work.

Second, I've heard rumors that a group exists in this neck of the woods
(Lake County, Illinois) that does live old radio performances. Does
anyone know of a such a group? I'd love to have them on on our first
OTR broadcast, and maybe even as regular guests.

Again, if I'm stepping on anyone's toes by asking these questions, I
apologize in advance.

Keith Johnson

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Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:32:39 -0400
From: "Bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed];
To: ""old-time radio digest">" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Dick Tracy log

Hi all,
Anyone know of a Dick Tracy log, and how many shows are available?
I did a search on some of the log sites but unless I mist one I didn't see a
log for the show.
Thanks.
Bill

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