Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #443
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 12/12/2003 1:13 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 443
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: "Song of the Vagabonds"           [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Update on the Affairs of Peter Salem  [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  Bad words                             [ "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed] ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Family Theater                        [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
  Perry Mason                           [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
  Today in radio history weekend editi  [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Song of the Vagabonds - Rudolf Friml  [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
  Radio programs on Hanukkah            [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  On The Air by John Dunning, claimed   [ John Francis MacEachern <JohnFMac@c ]
  Lost FIRST NIGHTER and LIGHTS OUT re  [ StevenL751@[removed] ]
  12-12 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Buck Rogers                           [ JayHick@[removed] ]
  Products advertised on OTR            [ "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed] ]
  Radio World magazine/Hal Stone        [ Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed]; ]
  Another expletive                     [ "Jay Ranellucci" <otrfan3@[removed] ]
  The Breakfast club                    [ "Tas Richardson" <tasrichardson@spr ]
  12-13 births/deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:20:01 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: "Song of the Vagabonds"

On 12/10/03 11:22 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote

Is "Song of the Vagabonds" the one that starts "Oh ye sons of [removed]," goes
on to exhort its listeners to fight the Burgundians, and concludes with "And
to HELL with Burgundy!"?

Yep, that's the number. It's the big number from Rudolf Friml's 1925
operetta "The Vagabond King," which was made into an excellent
Technicolor movie in 1930, and its score became extremely popular with
manly-man light-opera and concert-singer types thruout the rest of the
decade. It was all over radio during the thirties, and I don't believe
there was ever a single attempt to censor the lyric.

Elizabeteh

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:18:38 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Update on the Affairs of Peter Salem

Just wanted to let you know that through the generosity of Tom Brown and
First Generation Archives, I have added a third version of the recently
discovered clip (the only one known to exist) of The Affairs of Peter
Salem.  This new version is the original raw file cleaned up and processed
through the CEDAR systems by Tom. He offered to allow me to include it for
download.

You can find it at [removed]

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:19:32 -0500
From: "Roby McHone" <otr_alaska@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bad words

Chris Holm wrote

First, let me say that I don't have any problem with
appropriate swearing.  In some situations it can be gratuitous, or even
[removed] in other cases, NOT
swearing sounds silly.

 That's very true especially by today's standards.
When I was growing up you just did not hear vulgar words that often.  Sure
they were used but the person that used them, especially in mixed company,
was looked down on as a low vulgar person.  Every once in a while a damn or
hell was heard in the movies, as this became accepted more the words were
used more.  Soon other "bad words" were used and accepted, then it spread to
TV and radio.  My experience with All In The Family was a little like
Elizabeth's.  I watched the first episode with my Mother and was a little
embarassed by it's earthyness (is that a word?).  I remember when the word
"ass" was first allowed to be used on TV, it seemed like every other
sentence in network sit-coms had the word "ass:" in it and every "ass" was
uproariously emphasized by the laugh track.
Now, it's common to be dining out and hear the people two tables away loudly
saying that their f****** steak is too tough or they want some more f******
this or that.  You can hardly walk through a store without hearing vulgar
words being spewed by trash mouths.  When my daughters were in grade school,
the whole family went to a parade.  Standing next to us was a large man
wearing a black t-shirt with large white letters on it that said FU** .  My
youngest spelled out the letters she saw and asked me what they spelt.  I
looked at the guy and saw that he was turning beet red and told my daughter
that those letters just mean that the person wearing that shirt is an idiot.
  The idiot hung his head and went to watch the parade elsewhere.
I guess swearing does have it's place, but the pendulum has swung too far
for my tastes, thank God for OTR and classic TV programs where people that
feel the way I do can be entertained without being cursed.
I don't mean to be picking on Chris or anyone else, this is just my opinion.

Roby McHone
Fairbanks, Alaska

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:40:00 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

   From Those Were The Days --

12/10

1927 - For the first time, famed radio announcer George Hay introduced the
WSM Barn Dance as The Grand Ole Opry.

12/11

1944 - The Chesterfield Supper Club debuted on NBC. Perry Como, Jo
Stafford and many other stars of the day shared the spotlight on the
15-minute show that aired five nights a week. The show was sponsored by
Chesterfield cigarettes.

Little humour here:  The first display of the Northern Lights was
recorded in America. The sighting was made in New England on this day in
1719. The report said that a mysterious face seemed to appear in the
atmosphere; and, since most aurora borealis displays occur in September
and October and again in March and April, this is very strange, indeed!

The green, red, and frost-white light displays occur most frequently
when there is a great deal of sunspot activity.

Old joke.  Phil Harris and Alice Faye go to Alaska to see the Northern
Lights.  While watching them Phil notices Alice yawning and asks, "Does
the aurora bore ya Alice?"

Joe

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:40:28 -0500
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Family Theater

Andrew's comments about Family Theater are "right on."  I have quite a few
of them on CD and find them delightful and well worth listening to.  Too bad
there's little of that on the air now.  If one did not know that the Family
Theater was a Catholic show, it would be hard to find any sectarian
preaching in it.  The only commercial for that show was "The family that
prays together stays together."
    "Unshackled" is the only religious drama program left, and
unfortunately, we have no stations in our part of South Dakota that carry
it.  If there are other shows out there, I'm not aware of them.

Ted Kneebone/1528 S. Grant [removed], SD 57401/605-226-3344
OTR: [removed]

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:40:35 -0500
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Perry Mason

Actor John Larkin was Perry Mason for me!  Raymond Burr was merely an
afterthought.  While almost everyone may write off radio's PM as a soap
opera, it was a classic tale of sleuthing principally by Mason himself that
led from one fascinating installment to the next, without reaching a
conclusion to a specific case for many months.  One of those took 18 months
to resolve.  TV-only addicts would never understand.  They could hardly
believe that the radio audience knew the identities of culprits long before
anybody ever reached a courtroom (if indeed they ever did).  Mason would be
caught up in preventing further and greater crimes against his clients, some
of whom were in hiding from everybody, including Mason himself, in an effort
to avoid impending doom.  Could Mason find them before the killers that
promised their extinction did?  I know I could hardly wait until 2:15 to
arrive every day, and I absolutely hated the weekends and the resumption of
school in the fall, preventing me from finding out "what happens next."  It
was, by far, the most captivating drama on the air.  My collection of
several hundred PM episodes still keeps me entranced with their chilling
intrigue, even knowing the outcome.  Writer Irving Vendig , in my opinion,
is unsurpassed by anybody in creating plots with spellbinding action and
dialogue.

Jim Cox

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:40:43 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otrd <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history  weekend edition

12/12

 From The [removed] --

1901 -- Italian inventor Guglielmo Marconi receives the first
transatlantic radio transmission in St. John's Newfoundland.

 From Those Were The Days --

1937 - The Federal Communications Commission was a bit upset with NBC.
The FCC scolded the radio network for a skit that starred Mae West. The
satirical routine was based on the biblical tale of Adam and Eve and,
well, it got a bit out of hand. So, following its scolding by the FCC,
NBC banned Miss West from its airwaves for 15 years. Even the mere
mention of her name on NBC was a no-no.

12/13

1942 - The characters of Allen's Alley were presented for the first time
on The Fred Allen Show. This particular segment of the show became very
popular and was used by Allen until 1949. Remember the stops along the
way in Allen's Alley? They were at the Brooklyn tenement of Mrs.
Nussbaum, the farmhouse of Titus Moody, the shack of Ajax Cassidy and
the antebellum mansion of Senator Beauregard Claghorn.

12/14

1953 - Fred Allen returned from semiretirement to narrate Prokofiev's
classic, Peter and the Wolf, on the Bell Telephone Hour on NBC.

Joe

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:50:14 -0500
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Song of the Vagabonds - Rudolf Friml

Hi Gang -

In issue 441 of the otrdigest Derek Tague inquired
 ... Is "Song of the Vagabonds" the one that starts "Oh ye sons of
[removed]," goes on to exhort its listeners to figt the
Burgundians,  ...

The Answer is "YES".

He goes on:
 If so, then this'll help me out. I never really knew the title to this
 anthem.  It sounds like it was written by Victor Herbert or
 Sigmund Romburg, or one of those guys.

The guy was Rudolf Friml.   The operetta is "The Vagabond King".

I have recordings of two versions.  There may be more.   There is
a slightly different title to the song in each version.  In one version,
The song title given is:   "The Song of the Hugenots" and the lyrics end
as Derek stated.  In the other version, the song title is "The Song of
the Vagabonds", and the words are changed to "... And AWAY with Burgundy".

Also, in both versions the song begins "Sons of toil and danger, would you
serve a stranger and bow down to Burgundy".

This operetta was performed on radio several times (sorry, I don't remember
where or when), and I would presume the second version was used on the air.

Happy Taping --  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois
kenpiletic@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:50:49 -0500
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Radio programs on Hanukkah

I was contacted recently by a person who is looking for the following:

"I have been asked to do a Christmas radio show, live, and I wanted to find
something about Hanukkah or dealing with the fact that we're Jews living in
a Christian country as evinced by the relentless celebration of Christmas.
I was hoping to find some kind of radio script, preferably funny, that
addresses this for it's Jewish audience. "

She had been looking at the Goldbergs. I haven't seen any scripts floating
around and she indicated that if an audio version exists, she would
transcribe it. However, the Goldberg episodes I have and what seems to be
floating around not only don't seem to focus on Hanukkah they don't mention
the holiday season at all.

I thought this digest could come up with some ideas. Would anyone
(including those who do radio productions) have any ideas on radio shows
that touch on the themes she mentions above?  As long as the audio exists,
she said she'd be willing to transcribe it.

Thanks from me and I know she will be thankful too.

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:50:59 -0500
From: John Francis MacEachern <JohnFMac@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  On The Air by John Dunning, claimed

Hi !

Wow, I was totally surprised by the number of people who responded to my
offer.  When I made the offer of the dog mauled book, I honestly thought
it was a 50-50 chance that I'd even get one response.  So, as I said,
the book will shortly be on it's way to the first responder, to all the
others, sorry.

John Mac

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:51:07 -0500
From: StevenL751@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Lost FIRST NIGHTER and LIGHTS OUT recreations
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The Gotham Radio Players will be on the air this Sunday with recreations of
lost episodes from two classic radio series.

First up will be "For Pete's Sake," a lost 1953 episode from the FIRST
NIGHTER PROGRAM.  Will Pete Barnum be able to convince Gwennetta Giseldorff
(Miss
County Seat of 1949) to go into the movies, or will she return to Two
Feathers,
Wisconsin, to marry boyfriend Ralph?  The course of true love doesn't ever run
smooth in this fun romantic comedy, recorded live on stage at this past
October's Friends of Old-Time Radio Convention.

Next up will a live, in-studio performance of a lost 1937 episode from LIGHTS
OUT.  In this Arch Oboler thriller not heard since it's original broadcast
more than 65 years ago, "Brain Wave" tells the horrifying tale of Dr. Agatha
Lynn and her attempt to create a machine that can read thoughts.  What she
ends
up with, however, is something that should have remained beyond the [removed]

Both recreations can be heard this coming Sunday, December 14th, 7:00 - 9:00
PM (eastern) as part of  "The Golden Age of Radio" on WBAI, [removed] FM in New
York.  You can also listen in via the live webstream at [removed] .

The Gotham Radio Players were formed in 1991 by a group of enthusiasts for
the heyday of radio drama.  Our mission is to bring new productions of classic
radio programs of the 1930's, 1940's, and 1950's to the airwaves of the new
millennium, as well as showcase original scripts written by the emerging audio
dramatists of today.  Now under the leadership of Max Schmid as producer and
Steven Lewis as director, the Gotham Radio Players are featured regularly in
performances on WBAI-FM, at the annual "Friends of Old-Time Radio"
Convention, and
at other appearances in the New York City metropolitan area.

I hope you'll tune in!

Steve Lewis
director, Gotham Radio Players

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:50:38 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  12-12 births/deaths

December 12th births

12-12-1893 - Edward G. Robinson - Bucharest, Romania - d. 1-26-1973
actor: Steve Wilson "Big Town"
12-12-1902 - Helen Menken - NYC - d. 3-27-1966
actress: Brenda Cummings "Second Husband"
12-12-1913 - Winston Burdette - Buffalo, NY - d. 5-19-1993
newscaster: (protege of Edward R. Murrow) "CBS World News Round Up"
12-12-1915 - Frank Sinatra - Hoboken, NJ - d. 5-14-1998
singer, actor: (The Voice), "Your Hit Parade"; Rocky Fortune "Rocky Fortune"

December 12th deaths

01-31-1902 - Tullulah Bankhead - Huntsville, AL - d. 12-12-1968
actress, hostess: "Johnny Presents"; "Big Show"
02-27-1891 - David Sarnoff - Minsk, Russia - d. 12-12-1971
executive: National Broadcasting Company"
02-27-1907 - Mildred Bailey - Tekoa, WA - d. 12-12-1951
singer: (Rockin" Chair Lady) "Mildred Bailey Show"; "Camel Caravan"
04-18-1902 - Harry Owens - O"Neill, NE - d. 12-12-1986
bandleader: "Hawaii Calls"
05-07-1923 - Anne Baxter - MI City, IN - d. 12-12-1985
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
05-11-1912 - Foster Brooks - Louisville, KY - d. 12-12-2001
disc jockey: "Foster Brooks Show"; "Melody, Inc."; "Million Dollar Ballroom"
05-22-1910 - Johnny Olsen - Windom, MN - d. 12-12-1985
emcee, announcer: "Ladies Be Seated"; "Get Rich Quick"
05-23-1883 - Douglas Fairbanks - Denver, CO - d. 12-12-1939
commentator: "KHJ Los Angeles 1921"
08-29-1916 - George Montgomery - Brady, MT - d. 12-12-2000
actor: "Hollywood Star Time"; "NBC University Theatre of the Air"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:52:31 -0500
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Buck Rogers

Dee Falkinburg is looking for show lists or logs of Buck Rogers.  He has 20
"Popsicle" broadcasts on mp3's and needs an order of shows.  His email is
<dfalkin@[removed];   Jay

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:53:07 -0500
From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Products advertised on OTR

    You can see images of several packages of products that were promoted by
sponsors on old-time radio on a fine website titled The American Package
Museum.  On the home page, click on 'Index' near the top of the page.  (If
you have broadband you can even view some packages in 3D; that is, you can
navigate the image with your mouse and see all sides of it.)

     Improvements and additions will eventually be made to the site.   Go
to:

[removed]

  -- Phil C.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 13:53:27 -0500
From: Dan Hughes <danhughes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Radio World magazine/Hal Stone

The new issue of Radio World magazine (Dec 17, 2004) has a nice review of
Hal Stone's book, complete with cover photo of the cover of the book, and
a great 1940's photo of Hal, Bob Hastings, and Gloria Mann in an Archie
pose.

Radio World has a website with articles from the magazine, but as I write
this they have not yet posted this week's issue.  It may be up by the
time you read this; give it a try:

[removed]

(Even if the new issue is up, it may not carry that particular story).

Radio World magazine is kinda' like Billboard--an industry trade paper
for radio engineers and managers.  Doubt that you can find it on a
newsstand, but bet you can order a copy from the website.

---Dan

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:05:47 -0500
From: "Jay Ranellucci" <otrfan3@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Another expletive

Don't forget on Corliss Archer, Dexter was always saying "Holy Cow,
Corliss!!"

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:17:22 -0500
From: "Tas Richardson" <tasrichardson@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The Breakfast club

A friend has loaned me a very interesting OTR book. It is the 'Breakfast
Club Family Album'.  It has a brown leather-like cover with gold lettering
and is nine inches wide by six inches high, with 96 pages.  The copyright is
1942 by Don McNeill, and is filled with photos of the many cast members and
gives the history of the first ten years of the Breakfast Club, which began
in 1933.  It had been formerly known as the "Pepper Pot" until McNeill took
over as "messer of ceremonies", and changed the name & format.

Growing up in Canada in the late 30's and 40's I do recall hearing the
program occasionally, so it must have been carried by a Calgary station.
Another friend, who is also a OTR Digester, ex-broadcaster Richard Pratz,
remembers being taken to the broadcast by his mom, as he grew up in Chicago.
He was disappointed to see that the breakfast table that everyone supposedly
marched around was actually a blacktop table that most of the cast set
around, and strewn with scripts, ashtrays and coffee cups. No ham and eggs
or Cream of Wheat.  But audience members were encouraged to get up and march
around, led by regular Sam Cowling, flapping his arms,  which caused a lot
of confusion and gales of laughter, which is what the radio audience heard.

Looking through the book, I was surprised to see that Jim and Marion Jordan
had been early regulars on the show before becoming Fibber McGee and Molly.
Anyway, I am enjoying the book, which also includes poetry, drawings by Don,
words of inspiration, lots of corny jokes, and pictures of Jack Baker, Nancy
Martin, Marion Mann, orchestra leader, Walter Blaufuss, the Vagabonds,
Escorts and Betty, the Merry Macs, Fran Allison (Aunt Fanny), Bill Thompson
(Mr. Wimple) and on and on, and was wondering if anyone else on here knows
of it, or even has a copy.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays,

Tas ....in crispy, snowy Alberta.

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 15:17:34 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  12-13 births/deaths

December 13th births

12-13-1890 - Marc Connelly - McKeesport, PA - d. 12-21-1980
writer: "Free Company"; "Security Workshop"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
12-13-1897 - Drew Pearson - Evanston, IL - d. 9-1-1969
investigative reporter: "Listen America"; "Drew Pearson Comments"
12-13-1905 - Jay Jostyn - Milwaukee, WI - d. 7-24-1977
actor: Max Tilley "Life of Mary Sothern"; Mr, District Attorney "Mr. District
Attorney"
12-13-1910 - Lillian Roth - Boston, MA - d. 5-12-1980
singer, speaker: "Pleasant Sunday Afternoon"
12-13-1910 - Van Heflin - Walter, OK - d. 7-23-1971
actor: Bob Drake "Betty and Bob"; "Philip Marlowe "Advs. of Philip Marlowe"
12-13-1913 - Jimmy Carroll - NYC - d. 3-19-1972
singer: "Pot O" Gold"
12-13-1915 - Mark Stevens - Cleveland, OH (R: Montreal Canada) - d. 9-15-1994
actor: "This Is Hollywood"; "Cavalcade of America"; "Suspense"
12-13-1917 - David Street - Los Angeles, CA - d. 9-3-1971
actor, singer: "Music Depreciation"

December 13th deaths

02-23-1913 - Jon Hall - Fresno, CA - d. 12-13-1979
actor: "Texaco Star Theatre"; "Silver Theatre"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
07-19-1906 - "Tiny" Hill - Sullivan, IL - d. 12-13-1971
orchestra leader: "Tiny" Hill and His Orchestra"
09-06-1891 - John Charles Thomas - Meyersdale, PA - d. 12-13-1960
singer: "John Charles Thomas Program"; "Westinghouse Program"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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