Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #48
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Date: 2/12/2005 10:18 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2005 : Issue 48
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  CBS affiliates/under-rated shows      [ "bcockrum" <rmc44@[removed]; ]
  Re: OTR and the Air Force             [ Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed]; ]
  The Man os Steel's suit of tomorrow   [ Anthony Tollin <sanctumotr@earthlin ]
  "Off With these Clothes ...."         [ skallisjr@[removed] ]
  Famil7y Clan                          [ "WILLIS G Saunders" <saunders8@veri ]
  Two Super Men                         [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  baseball in the OTR days              [ "Andy Ooms" <oomspine@[removed] ]
  Superman                              [ "From Mike" <zines50@[removed]; ]
  Bit part?                             [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Arthur Milller radio credits          [ Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed]; ]
  Of Ben Cooper, Karl Haas and Removab  [ "Albert" <alkb2ng@[removed]; ]
  Arnold Stang                          [ Paul Gough <paulgough@[removed] ]
  Re: Arnold Stang                      [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
  Re: Arnold Stang again                [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
  Re: NBC books?                        [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
  Twins on Benny                        [ JackBenny@[removed] ]

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 21:07:59 -0500
From: "bcockrum" <rmc44@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  CBS affiliates/under-rated shows

Regarding recent comments about a lack of CBS affiliates: the problem with
radio today wouldn't be solved by a thousand affiliates of a network, I
don't think. If the content were there, then the affiliates should follow.
Since it relies heavily on CBS News for programming, maybe all the recent
problems there are taking their toll. (I know of a station in West Texas
that was an affiliate of CBS for about 50 years that has changed back to
ABC, but that was a couple of years ago.)

I recall CBS Radio coverage of the beginning of the latest war against Iraq.
It was enough to have Ed Murrow and Robert Trout spinning in their graves
... highly opinionated characterizations of events and motives, I thought,
and constant switching roughly back and forth to Dan Rather on CBS TV with
comments and descriptions obviously meant for television, not a radio
audience -- it was a bad production in several senses of the word.

That aside, monopolistic communications companies only interested in the
most profit at the least cost are also swaying the way radio has gone. What
if CBS Radio did do a good job of news on the hour, features and special
reports? Would the affiliates carry them? In Dallas-Fort Worth, the CBS
affiliate cuts off the hourly news after only a couple of minutes, not five.
I'm not sure what it carries or what CBS offers in features other than The
Osgood Files and some financial reports. In the '60s and '70s CBS was choc
full of "Dimension on (topic)" each hour.

And, in the case of D-FW and I'm sure in other markets where there are
all-news and news-talk stations, they don't do a responsible job, either.
Oh, sure, they cover wrecks and fires and other things constantly and
repeatedly in headline form, but how many actually provide detail or produce
their own half-hour or hour-long documentaries on local issues? You're lucky
to get a Sunday at 5 [removed] talking head type of public service program. They
would rather run the horrendous info-mercials for chewing gum that makes you
smarter, etc.

-0-

Regarding Don Frey's post about under-rated shows: I'd agree on a number of
the shows he lists, inasmuch as they aren't usually included in the broad,
ready-made collections of some vendors. But Mysterious Traveler (as well as
The Whistler) do deserve more credit, and I always liked Judy Canova,
considering her as probably the first cross-over country music performer.
The comedy might have been predictable, but the music with her singing a
country-and-western-type song to the accompaniment of violins (lush strings
as opposed to fiddle-style) was ahead of its time.

Bob C.

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:20:27 -0500
From: Jim Widner <widnerj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: OTR and the Air Force

Richard Fish wrote:

Bruce Forsberg's suggestion about visiting the Wright-Patterson Air
Force Museum while in Cincinnati is a wonderful idea! I've been there a
couple of times and it's truly a fabulous place.

Since I live in Dayton, Ohio (actually just slightly southeast of it
between Xenia, Yellow Springs and Dayton), I can also strongly recommend
the Air Force Museum even if you are not in Cincy for the Convention. I
would venture to suggest it is the best Air Force Museum outside of the
Smithsonian Air/Space Museum.

Wright-Pat is about 45 minutes from the hotel in Cincy. I live about 10
miles south of it and it only takes me 30 minutes to get to the Convention.

Be warned, however, that you could spend more than a few hours at the
museum to do it any kind of justice.

On another matter, I am sure others will already be sending in notices
of the death of playwright Arthur Miller. He has genuine OTR
credentials. Some of his plays from Cavalcade of America are available.

Jim Widner
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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:20:56 -0500
From: Anthony Tollin <sanctumotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The Man os Steel's suit of tomorrow

on 2/11/05 8:09 PM, Cnorth6311@[removed] asked:

Here is a question I am not sure has ever been asked, and it probably shows
I have way to much time on my hands. Either that, or a warped mind. Has
anyone
but me ever wondered what happened to Clark Kent's street clothes when he
changed into his Superman costume.

As a former colorist of DC's SUPERMAN comic books, I can safely say that
Superman stored his Clark Kent threads in a secret pocket in his cape.  As I
recall, the Man of Steel's civilian suit was made from a special material
that Kal-el could compress to a very small size with his super strength.
--Up, Up and AWAY, Anthony Tollin

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:21:28 -0500
From: skallisjr@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "Off With these Clothes ...."

Cnorth asked, in passing,

Here is a question I am not sure has ever been asked, and it probably
shows I have way to much time on my hands. Either that, or a warped mind.
Has anyone but me ever wondered what happened to Clark Kent's street
clothes when he changed into his Superman costume.

This was once addressed in the comic books.  His cape had within it a
pouch wherein he stashed the civvies.  Superman, being super, of course
could have compressed the clothes, but if he did, how he'd "uncompress"
them wasn't clear.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:22:07 -0500
From: "WILLIS G Saunders" <saunders8@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Famil7y Clan

Hi Folks,

I think I can be of a little to Mr. Clark in his search of the Carter family
clan on OTR.

Nick Carter's father was Simm Carter, who was also a private investigator.
He had a son Nicholas (Nick), who followed in his footsteps.  Although Nick
never married, he adopted a son, who bore the name Chick Carter.

Chick had his own show during World War II, and it was called "Chick Carter,
Boy Detective" and was geared to a juvenile audience.  It ran fifteen
minutes per episode on Mutual, five days per week.  I don't know who
originally played Chick, but it may have been a young Bill Lipton, but since
I have an "Old Gray Memory", don't take that as Gospel.  Anyway, sometime
during the show, Leon Janney had the role.

Sorry I can't be any more precise, but I hope this helps a little.

Buck Saunders

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Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:46:07 -0500
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Two Super Men

From: Cnorth6311@[removed]

Has anyone but me ever wondered what happened to Clark Kent's street
clothes when he changed into his Superman costume.

Dear [removed]

(I'll bet Anthony Tollin's fingers are dancing 'pon the keyboard e'en [removed])

Don't know if it was ever covered on radio; pretty sure it wasn't on TV. But
in the real Canon, the comic books, he super-compresses them, then
super-secretes them in a super-pocket in his super-cape.

From: vigor16@[removed]

Holidays seemed to be celebrated all the time on Old Time Radio, Lincoln's
[removed]

Deric-
Some us are still trying to hold up that flag. This coming President's Day,
Quicksilver's GOOD FRIDAY, 1865 will be broad/webcast.

Best,
-Craig Wichman

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:08:43 -0500
From: "Andy Ooms" <oomspine@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  baseball in the OTR days
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    I welcome Ken Stockinger to the list, and I encourage him to tell us more
about old time baseball broadcasts.
    I happen to be a Mutual Game of the Day fan, because it broadcasts
different teams every summer afternoon, and in South Dakota that was very
appropriate because until the Philadelphia A's moved to Kansas City in 1955 no
major league team existed west of Saint Louis.  Consequently South Dakotans
had no favorite local team, Saint Louis being considered pretty far east and
definitely pretty far away.  We tended to like the guys we say on the Wheaties
boxes, which were DiMaggio (Yankees), Stan Musial (Saint Louis) and Bob Feller
(Cleveland).
    The short-lived Liberty Broadcasting System in the early 50's also did
some game of the day, which is another story.
    Tell us more, Ken.
Andy Ooms
Pine, AZ

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:02 -0500
From: "From Mike" <zines50@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Superman

"What does Superman do with Clark Kent's clothes?" someone asked.   I
remember in the comicbooks in the 1960s they once showed that the clothes
went into a hidden compartment of Superman's cape.   They probably decided
this sounded a bit silly, because I don't remember it being mentioned ever
again.

By coincidence, Screensound Australia's radio show "Theatre of the Mind" are
running some episodes of the Australian version of "Superman" this month.
Leonard Teale played the Man of Steel, long before he became one of
Australia's most famous and beloved actors.

It's strange hearing it again  --  this is the same series that I listened
to after school every afternoon when I was a child in the late 1950s and
early 1960s.   Stands up fairly well  --  better than some of the television
programmes that I watched around the same time!

Mike Hobart

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:17 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bit part?

Someone mentioned that Arnold Stang had a bit part in the movie "Man with the
Golden Arm." Not only did he have a part, he was nominated for an Academy
Award for best supporting actor for that part.
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:03:31 -0500
From: Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Arthur Milller radio credits

Here are some of Arthur Miller's radio credits from [removed] ...

  >>>>> The Cavalcade Of America

"Joel Chandler Harris" - June 23, 1941 - Arthur Miller (writer).

"Captain Paul" - October 27, 1941 - A biography of the naval hero John
Paul Jones. John Driscoll (adaptator), Arthur Miller (adaptor).

"The Battle Of The Ovens" - June 22, 1942 - Christopher Ludwig, baker
who helped General Washington win the war! Arthur Miller (writer).

"Juarez" ("Thunder From The Mountain") - September 28, 1942 - Story of
Benito Juarez. Arthur Miller (adaptor).

"I Was Married On Bataan" - October 5, 1942 - Story of Army nurse after
the Japanese attack on Phillippines. Arthur Miller (writer)

"Toward a Farther Star" - November 2, 1942 - Story of Amelia Earhart.
Arthur Miller (adaptor).

"The Eagle's Nest" - December 28, 1942 - Garibaldi's attempt to unify
Italy. Arthur Miller (adaptor).

"Listen For The Sound Of Wings" - April 19, 1943 - The story of Pastor
Martin Niemoeller, who dared to stand up to Hitler. Arthur Miller (writer).

"The Story Of Canine Joe" - August 21, 1944 - Collie goes to war! Arthur
Miller (writer).

"Bernadine, I Love You" - March 5, 1945 - GI needs Red Cross to help
with his love life. Arthur Miller (writer).

"Grandpa and The Statue" - March 26, 1945 Stingy old Irishman refuses to
contrbute to Statue of Liberty Fund. Arthur Miller (writer).

"The Philippines Never Surrendered" - April 30, 1945 - School
superintendent Edward Kuder builds underground movement during Japanese
occupation. Arthur Miller (adaptor).

  >>>>> The Doctor Fights

"Mayer Island and Back" - June 19, 1945 - Arthur Miller (writer).

"Rescue On The Moon" - June 26, 1945 - Arthur Miller (writer).

"Miracle Drug" - July 3, 1945 - Alexander Fleming and the discovery of
Penicillin. Arthur Miller (writer).

"Captain Rayme's Story" - July 24, 1945 - Flight surgeon induces fatigue
in himself in order to treat the men more effectively. Arthur Miller
(writer).

  >>>>> Other

The Columbia Workshop - "William Ireland's Confession" - October 19,
1939. The first work for radio by Arthur Miller. A dramatization of the
true story of the young man who could write as well as Shakespeare.
Arthur Miller (author).

The Theatre Guild On The Air - "Three Men On A Horse" - January 6, 1946.
Arthur Miller (adaptor).

The Lux Radio Theatre - "All My Sons" - May 1, 1950. Arthur Miller (author).

Soundstage - "Death Of A Salesman" - May 17, 1970. Mutual net. The first
drama on network radio in a long time. Produced in co-operation with
Caedmon Records. Arthur Miller (author), Lee J. Cobb, Dustin Hoffman,
Sanford Marshall (announcer). 2 1/2 hours. Audio condition: Excellent.
Complete.

  >>>>> Possibly a different "Arthur Miller"

Al Schacht Sports Show. February 21, 1948. Mutual net. Sponsored by:
Kaiser-Frazer Autos, Bromo-Seltzer, [removed] Army. A surprisingly
interesting quiz, and anecdotes by "The Clown Prince Of Baseball." Bucky
Harris (Manager of the New York Yankees), Red Smith, Mary Jane Walsh,
Arthur Mann, Paul Gardner (production supervisor), Arthur Miller
(production supervisor)

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:41:22 -0500
From: "Albert" <alkb2ng@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Of Ben Cooper, Karl Haas and Removable Car
 Radios
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Hello,

Taking these subjects all mentioned in recent editions of the Digest in
reverse order:

In 1963, after graduating from college and getting a full-time job, I ordered
my first new car, a Volkswagen Beetle.  The only option I chose (and there
weren't too many offered at the time) was a sleek little AM-FM Grundig radio
which conveniently slipped out of its normal home in the dash for use as a
portable, complete with attached telescoping antenna.  It even covered one of
the international short wave bands.

This is another writer who will lament the passing of Karl Haas.  Ironically,
just the day before I read of his death in the Digest I had occasion to
reference his wonderful book Inside Music during discussions with a friend
about our respective musical favorites.  His wonderfully calming, mellifluous
voice still resonates in my mind, as do the strains of that blissful Beethoven
sonata he used as his theme, even though his program has not been heard in
these parts for some years.  It's interesting to ponder the lasting influence
that a repetitive theme can have on the listener.  As an adolescent during the
50's, well before first encountering Karl Haas and his program, I would get
home from school just in time to hear the end of WQXR's Listening with Jacque
Fray, as he would play the waltz sequence from Strauss' Der Rosenkavalier for
his closing theme.  Today, nearly fifty years later, I am thoroughly addicted
to virtually everything ever penned by the great Richard Strauss.

Hal Stone mentioned his friend Ben Cooper again in a recent issue of the
Digest.  We were most pleased to receive a delightful e-mail from Mr. Cooper a
few weeks ago in which he "reviews" his arranged date with a certain favorite
lady of ours.  We've posted his comments here
[removed] on our website dedicated to that lady.
In fact, you can join Ben and his date immortalized for all posterity,
courtesy of an imaginative publicity man (Ben could not recall whether it was
his or hers) and a friendly magazine photographer:
[removed]

Regards,
Albert J. Kopec

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:41:47 -0500
From: Paul Gough <paulgough@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Arnold Stang
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I seem to remember Arnold Stang most in ads for Chunky, saying : "Chunky,
what a chunk of choc-o-late."

Paul Gough

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:42:24 -0500
From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Arnold Stang
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In a message dated 2/11/05 8:08:48 PM Central Standard Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:

it looks like the vast majority of his video
work was as the voice of Herman in cartoons that featured
a cat named Katnip, voiced by Sid Raymond. I've never
heard of these, but there were a lot of them.

I actually did see these a lot on local TV when I was growing up, but I had
no idea until now that the voice of Herman the mouse was played by Arnold
Stang.  "Herman & Katnip" were Harveytoons, same studio as Casper the Ghost,
and
boy were they *ever* violent.  At least once a show, Katnip's tail was stuck
in
a light socket or a wall outlet.  His tag line was "I hate meeses to pieces!"
so even the dialogue was violent.  (Violent, but I have to admit I thought it
was funny too.)  It's said to be the real inspiration for the "Itchy &
Scratchy" cartoon on "The Simpsons," moreso even than Tom and Jerry.

Dixon

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:42:38 -0500
From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Arnold Stang again
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Also -- speak of the devil! -- he got his start in OTR by
replacing Hal Stone (who was serving in the Korean War)
as Jughead on the Archie Andrews Show!

I thought Stang appeared on the late '40s "The Henry Morgan Show" before the
Korean War (1950-53), though.

Dixon

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:42:55 -0500
From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: NBC books?
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In a message dated 2/11/05 8:08:48 PM Central Standard Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:

NBC got short shrift in most of the popular books on
broadcasting history written over the past forty years, which hewed to
the established Columbiacentric point of view, and aside from another
photo-heavy coffee-table type book issued in 1976 to commemorate the
network's 50th anniversary

Do I hear a  market presenting itself?  Seems like with all the stuff that
happened at NBC over the years--its founding, the Amos 'n' Andy thing, the
capture of one of its World War II news correspondents, the Fred Allen thing,
behind-the-scenes stories involving the likes of Jack Benny, Fanny Brice, and
Tallulah Bankhead; being on the "losing" end of the so-called "talent raids"
(there
may be a whole other story there that rarely gets told), not to mention tons
of behind the scenes stuff relevant to the game show scandals, the Kennedy
assassination, Vietnam, Watergate and such TV icons as Milton Berle, Groucho
Marx, Huntley & Brinkley, Laugh-In, Carson, Letterman and SNL--it seems like
there
would be no shortage of material and something for almost everyone.
(However, I do recognize some of what I just described has been covered in
numerous
other books; still it apparently hasn't been between the same cover.)

Someone mentioned broadcast history being "Columbiacentric," perhaps that's
because NBC has never stepped up to the plate and has never been big on its
own
history.  I constantly hear horror stories about all the stuff that gets
thrown away over there (like the first ten years of "The Tonight Show") and
know
for a fact that when they bought at least one TV affiliate, they threw away
all
the old films, kinescopes and scrapbooks, many of which had been donated by a
retired station manager.  I would think the network that brought us the
brilliant "NBC: the First 50 Years" in 1976 on TV would think better but the
behind-the-scenes story is different.

Dixon

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:43:50 -0500
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Twins on Benny

Walden Hughes writes:

Martin ask  about the Stroud Twin working in radio.  They where the band
 leaders on the Jack Benny show during the war for a few shows.  Maybe
Laura
Leff can give the dates of the shows.  These shows do exist.

Sorry Walden, I think you're thinking of the McFarland Twins, who  performed
on 1/24 and 1/31/43.

--Laura Leff
President,  IJBFC
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