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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2009 : Issue 114
A Part of the [removed]!
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Thanks! // and // Sour persimmons, b [ Wich2@[removed] ]
Hollywood Bowl [ "joe@[removed]" <jsalerno@earthli ]
Unpaid radio [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
Re: Beyond Tomorrow [ Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed]; ]
Can you spare 15 minutes? [ Jody Davis <baroygis@[removed]; ]
re: what's next [ Ben Ohmart <benohmart@[removed]; ]
Will More OTR Shows Be Discovered? [ LSMFTnolonger@[removed] ]
6-19 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Jack Benny Podcast [ Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed] ]
15 minutes addendum [ Jody Davis <baroygis@[removed]; ]
ETs and Hollywood Bowl Concerts [ Ken Greenwald <kgradio@[removed]; ]
6-20 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:11:46 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Thanks! // and // Sour persimmons, brother!
From: rand@[removed]
I've dug up quite a few lost and uncirculated shows in the past few
months
Efforts - and especially, generosity of spirit! - appreciated, Randy.
Private [removed] Some are holding on to them hem to try to sell
[removed]
A modest return for money invested is fair -
... and keep them uncirculated
- but this is simply Wrong. (We won't even go into dear departed Lister
Harry Bartell's reasoning, that "possessing" something you likely don't even
have real title to is bogus.)
The point of these shows is the joy they can give - that their makers
INTENDED them to give! (Beyond that, their only value is the resale price of
a
handful of old recording material.)
Just how does hoarding them achieve any end, other than an oddly selfish
pride?
Best,
-Craig W.
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:12:16 -0400
From: "joe@[removed]" <jsalerno@[removed];
To: OTR List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Hollywood Bowl
Mackenzie lists the Hollywood Bowl, series H-38, and describes it as
"live popular music". "probably 1944-1949 and beyond"
Later he refers to series IE-14, same name, and cites #136 as an
example, including a penciled date of 4 December 1951. 60 minutes.
There is no listing for "Symphony Under the Stars". Personally I suspect
it was a local broadcast.
A series with a prefix of "EN" would indicate entertainment, produced by
AFRS. IE means produced by Information and Education section. H means
originated from Hollywood.
If you look in the run out area you may find a date.
Pls tell us who performs and what selections they play, and a date if
you can find one.
There are numerous gaps in the info available about AFRS program series.
Mackenzie's book is wonderful, but certainly not exhaustive.
joe salerno
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:12:23 -0400
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Unpaid radio
Just ruminating over Jack French's prognostications regarding payment of
actors, er, sound men that barked, whinnied, meowed, etc. on cue.
Jack observed that Dewey Cole, who went to the dogs, felt he had earned a
thespian's fee for his "conversations" with the beloved Sergeant Preston
(Cole being the "wonder dog" himself). He protested to the union which, not
a real suprise here folks, ruled in his favor. (Isn't that what they do?)
In later decades, certainly in most other trades, I'm thinking -- had there
been anybody else available who could have made a barking sound (presumably
the bulk of the rest of the acting profession) -- Cole would have been told
"sayonara" and they wouldn't have tossed him a bone! Isn't that the way it
worked in your profession? He who felt jilted enough -- make that, mad
enough -- to go that far with it often found himself without that issue to
complain about any longer. Maybe radio was different from other industries.
I can't help comparing that situation to some working arrangements currently
in the news. What would have happened if management had said to Cole and
the rest of the cast "economic times call for some stringent belt-tightening
and we'd like you to go on the air for free for a month"? We can imagine
the union balking as well as the hires, but essentially it seems like that's
the same situation those British Airways workers find themselves in today.
I'm guessing they belong to unions, too, which appear (unless I missed it)
to be deathly silent on the matter.
Unpaid radio. It sure would have been a different animal. Actors who
squawked might have found themselves barking up the wrong tree.
Jim Cox
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:13:37 -0400
From: Alan Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Beyond Tomorrow
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radioclass <radioclass@[removed];
I checked my log of shows that I have and I have "Outer Limit" with Frank
Lovejoy and "The Incident at Switchpath". I copied the "Outer Limit" from
When Radio Was in 1999 and I have CBS listed in the notes. "The Incident at
Switch Path" was given to me in 1988, not sure by whom, probably my
neighbor. He lists a broadcast date of April 11, 1950.
FWIW, The Outer Limit appeared on both Dimension X and X Minus One and both
are available at [removed]:xminusone_551116_TheOuterLimit.
[removed]
Incident at Switchpath is also at [removed] under Beyond Tomorrow.
AB
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:14:04 -0400
From: Jody Davis <baroygis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Can you spare 15 minutes?
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Friends:
I'm on an OTR educational mission. I'm trying to discover as many shows as
possible that were 15 minutes in [removed] than soap operas. Three which
come to mind are the brilliant 1955-56 serial version of Yours Truly, Johnny
Dollar; The Strange Dr. Weird; and The Unexpected. Anyone know of any more?
Thanks.
Jody Davis
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:14:29 -0400
From: Ben Ohmart <benohmart@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re: what's next
This is a question I've often thought about, as a book publisher who loves
radio. Even for the past 7 years when I did conventions, I saw the majority
of radio collectors/fans completely pass over my table of books. Maybe 70% of
the people just automatically gloss over my stuff when they see it's not
media, and of course that makes it difficult. Putting some old dvds I no
longer want acts as a magnet for some of those people, but it doesn't make
them look at books.
That's one reason I had to move into books on classic tv and, of course, I've
always loved films, so the film books came easy.
I also remember asking this group a couple times about new radio shows, and
mentioning the fact that BBC Radio 4 still makes Original comedy and drama,
but there was almost 0% response to that. Heck, I wanted to write radio
comedy myself. Wrote about 10 scripts that got nowhere because I didn't
realize at the time there's just no American market for a 30 minute radio
series.
I think radio to the average person is SO associated with nostalgia, that
that is it. Someone said (on a BBC show recently! called Heresy - great show,
by the way) that people don't laugh at a joke on a repeated program, they're
laughing and remembering what they felt like when they experienced the joke
the first time. I think that's what Jack Benny and The Shadow and all the
rest of them are doing for people who Remember the shows the first time. Of
course there are loads of exceptions by young people or the nearly young like
myself who got into radio Long after tv took the throne. And it seems
Americans as a whole don't have the patience for radio and silent movies
anymore.
So, I think we're dealing with nostalgia as a feeling rather than merely
radio. My books on tv certainly sell better than the radio ones! It would be
nice if America gave comedy/drama radio a chance again, more than merely
morning skits, for those unwilling or unable to decipher the British rhythms
of BBC Radio 4! But if you LOVE radio, rather than just the old shows, you
Really should give the UK a chance.
Ben Ohmart
Old radio. Old movies. New books.
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:15:48 -0400
From: LSMFTnolonger@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Will More OTR Shows Be Discovered?
I grew up with Jack Benny, Amos 'n' Andy, The Great Gildersleeve, The
Lone Ranger, Gunsmoke, Have Gun, Will Travel, Hopalong Cassidy, Roy
Rogers, Gene Autry, Space Patrol, and Tom Corbett, Space Cadet. No, not
on radio, but on 1950's television. While, still in school, I learned
that they all appeared on radio before TV. I was curious and started
getting old-time radio shows on reel-to-reel tape from Terry L. Black
starting in 1965. (By the way, does anyone know what happened to him?) I
learned so much by reading Jim Harmon's ground-breaking books on the
history of old-time radio. I kept up-to-date on collecting OTR shows by
reading monthly every issue of Jay Hickerson's wonderful newsletter,
Hello Again. Finally, through my friendship with Frankie "Tom Corbett"
Thomas, I was able to attend Pacific Pioneer Broadcasters luncheons for
over 30 years and meet many OTR stars, from Les Tremayne to Willard
Waterman to Ralph Edwards to Jim Jordan.
For 44 years, I have enjoyed listening to old-time radio shows. I never
worry about running out of shows, because something new always turns up.
So, to answer Paul Fornatar's question if we are at he end of the line
in discovering new episode of OTR shows, I say, "No!"
For years, I thought I would never hear any more new episodes of The
Phil Harris-Alice Faye Show, but now, thanks to Radio Spirits, I am.
Some months ago, they released a collection of 20 shows, and the final 4
shows have never been released before. They have followed that with a
second Phil Harris-Alice Faye Show collection and all 20 shows are being
released for the first time. Radio Spirits has also released "new"
episodes of The Green Hornet and The Shadow.
Tom Brown is the director of First Generation Radio Archives. His
organization does a fantastic job making the audio of OTR shows sound
like they were recorded today. First Generation Radio Archives has
released many "new" collections of Fibber McGee and Molly (the 15-minute
episodes from the 1950's), The Great Gildersleeve, The Cisco Kid, and
other programs---with shows not heard since they were originally
broadcast on radio.
And don't forget OTR dealers. Adam and Jackie of [removed] have just
updated many series. They now have an enormous collection of 129 Eddie
Cantor shows. I am not aware of any oher dealer offering that many Eddie
Cantor programs.
I'm just as enthusiastic about old-time radio today as I was in 1965!
Gregory R. Jackson, Jr.
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:16:01 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 6-19 births/deaths
June 19th births
06-19-1863 - William A. Brady - San Francisco, CA - d. 1-6-1950
theatrical producer: heard twice weekly on CBS during 1934-1935
06-19-1865 - May Whitty - Liverpool, England - d. 5-29-1948
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
06-19-1892 - Mishel Piastro - Kertz, Russia - d. 4-10-1970
violinist, conductor: "Longines Symphonette"; "General Motors Concerts"
06-19-1893 - Frank Banyard - d. 6-xx-1971
baritone: WOR Newark, New Jersey
06-19-1894 - Emil Coleman - Odessa, Russia - d. 1-26-1965
orchestra leader: "Penthouse Party"; "Gulf Headliners"
06-19-1897 - Moe Howard - Bensonhurst, NY - d. 5-4-1975
original stooge: (Three Stooges) "Whatever Became of . . . .?"
06-19-1899 - Francis Drake "Pat" Ballard - d. 10-26-1960
writer of radio scripts in Troy, Pennsylvania
06-19-1901 - Frederic Tozere - d. 8-5-1972
actor: Stephen Dallas "Stella Dallas"
06-19-1902 - Ed Thorgerson - Elizabeth, NJ - d. 12-22-1997
announcer/sportscaster: "A&P Gypsies"; "The Elgin Football Revue"
06-19-1902 - Guy Lombardo - London, Canada - d. 11-5-1977
bandleader: (The Sweetest Music This Side of Heaven) "Lombardoland USA"
06-19-1903 - Lou Gehrig - NYC - d. 6-2-1941
baseball iron man: "Lux Radio Theatre"
06-19-1908 - Mildred Natwick - Baltimore, MD - d. 10-25-1994
actor: "Starring Boris Karloff"; "Best Plays"; "Campbell Playhouse"
06-19-1909 - Maurice Zimm - Waterloo, IA - d. 11-17-2005
writer: "The Man Who Sang"
06-19-1910 - Virginia Payne - Cincinnati, OH - d. 2-10-1977
actor: Ma Perkins "Ma Perkins"; Kerry Carter "Carters of Elm Street"
06-19-1912 - Jerry Jerome - Brooklyn, NY - d. 11-17-2001
musician: "Eileen Barton Show"; "Mirth and Madness"
06-19-1912 - Martin Gabel - Philadelphia, PA - d. 5-22-1986
actor: John Wayne "Big Sister"; Gregory Hood "Casebook of Gregory Hood"
06-19-1915 - Pat Buttram - Addison, AL - d. 1-8-1994
actor: (Sage of Winston County) "National Barn Dance"
06-19-1917 - Robert Karnes - Kentucky - d. 12-4-1979
announcer: Started his career in his native Kentucky
06-19-1919 - E. S. Madden - Melbourne, Australia
author: Wrote for radio in his native Australia
06-19-1919 - Louis Jourdan - Marseilles, France
actor: "Hallmark Playhouse"; "Screen Guild Theatre"; "U. S. Steel Hour"
06-19-1919 - Pauline Kael - Sonoma County, CA - d. 9-3-2001
film critic: Broadcast for Pacifica radio station
06-19-1920 - Johnny Douglas - London, England - d. 4-20-2003
host: "In the Still of the Night"
06-19-1921 - Buddy Brees - NYC - d. 10-30-1994
singer: "Art Mooney and his Orchestra"; "Bob Chester and his Orchestra"
06-19-1921 - Vernon Jarrett - Saulsbury, TN - d. 5-23-2004
host: "The Vernon Jarrett Report"
06-19-1922 - Gwen Davies - NYC
actor: "Advs. of Helen and Mary"; "Let's Pretend"
06-19-1923 - Estelle Levy - NYC
actor, singer: "Grand Central Station"; "Rudy Vallee Show"
06-19-1925 - Charlie Drake - South London, England - d. 12-24-2006
comedian: "Jigsaw"
06-19-1925 - Robert Barager - d. 4-17-2004
disk jockey: WNBZ Saranac Lake, New York
06-19-1928 - Barry Took - London, England - d. 3-31-2002
writer, comedian: "Round the Horne"; "We're In Business"
06-19-1928 - Nancy Marchand - Buffalo, NY - d. 6-18-2000
actor: "Cavalcade of America"; "A Private Space"
06-19-1932 - Pier Angeli - Cagliaru, Saradinia - d. 9-10-1971
actor: "Louella Parsons Show"
June 19th deaths
01-18-1915 - Lesley Midgley - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 6-19-2002
producer cbs news: "The Twentieth Century"
02-21-1917 - Al "Red" Benson - d. 6-19-1966
quizmaster: "Take A Number"
03-26-1894 - Will Wright - San Francisco, CA - d. 6-19-1962
actor: Ed Kremer "Fibber McGee and Molly"; George Honeywell "My Little
Margie"
04-07-1918 - Peanuts Hucko - Syracuse, NY - d. 6-19-2003
jazz clarinetist: "Swing Shift"; "I Sustain These Wings"; "Doctor Jazz"
04-23-1893 - Frank Borzage - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 6-19-1962
film director: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
05-09-1860 - James M. Barrie - Kirriemuir, Angus, Scotland - d.
6-19-1937
author: Some of his works adapted for radio
05-16-1886 - Norman Ross - Portland, OR - d. 6-19-1953
06-05-1891 - Prosper Buranelli - d. 6-19-1960
writer: Assistant to Lowell Thomas
08-15-1933 - Bobby Helms - Bloomington, IN - d. 6-19-1997
singer: "Grand Ole Opry"
09-26-1898 - Richard Lockridge - St. Joseph, MO - d. 6-19-1982
writer: "Mr. and Mrs. North"
10-17-1905 - Jean Arthur - NYC - d. 6-19-1991
actor: "Ford Theatre"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
10-26-1920 - Eleanor Rella - d. 6-19-2003
actor: Billie Devere "Myrt and Marge"
10-29-1925 - Geraldine Brooks - NYC - d. 6-19-1977
actor: "Hollywood Fights Back"; "Voice of the Army"
11-09-1886 - Ed Wynn - Philadelphia, PA, - d. 6-19-1966
comedian: (The Perfect Fool) Fire Chief "Ed Wynn Show"; King Bubbles
"Happy Island"
12-24-1921 - Phillip Grenville Mann - Manly, Australia - d. 6-19-1990
writer: "The Sergeant at Burralee"
Ron
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:16:13 -0400
From: Sean Dougherty <seandd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jack Benny Podcast
Even though I've already heard every circulating Jack Benny program, I still
subscribe to this podcast.
[removed]
It's a fun way to get some random Benny into your life every day.
Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:16:38 -0400
From: Jody Davis <baroygis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 15 minutes addendum
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On my 15-minute show query, I meant to say "serial-type shows" rather than
soap operas. In other words, you can exclude shows such as Vic and Sade, Lum
and Abner, and Easy Aces. Thanks, and sorry for my omission.
Jody Davis
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:17:21 -0400
From: Ken Greenwald <kgradio@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: ETs and Hollywood Bowl Concerts
Randy is correct about radio programs on discs. Lots and lots have not
surfaced. But, there are also thousands that have surfaced and are in such
archives as UCLA, USC, PACIFIC PIONEER BROADCASTERS ARCHIVES, and SPERDVAC.
The only problem is getting them out, for there are few people who are
capable of dubbing these ET disc properly. Combine that with the simple fact
one man working on one radio show takes somewhere around 45 minutes to an
hour to dub. Unless you are working full time (8 hours or more a day) on
dubbing, then the process of "getting the shows out" becomes daunting. Yes,
there are various radio shows "popping up" here and there, but its the major
collections that are already there that need to be dubbed and put out for
listening enjoyment.
At the PPB radio archives there are about 10 complete Hollywood Bowl
concerts. Some of these concerts are on two discs, others are longer with
three discs. What I found interesting was the dates of the concerts etched
into the recordings around the label. Most of the concerts were from 1938 and
1939, though the AFRS labels are red white and blue, showing the ETs were
produced during World War II.
I cannot give any further information on this, as the PPB archives are closed
due to damage in the building and I am unable to get in and check for more
info.
Ken Greenwald
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Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 12:17:26 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 6-20 births/deaths
June 20th births
06-20-1876 - Raymond Ditmars - New Jersey - d. 5-12-1942
curator bronx zoo: "Adventures in Reading"
06-20-1890 - Effie Palmer - Albany, NY - d. 8-19-1942
actor: Jean Evans "Lonely Woman"; Dodie Black "Scattergood Baines"
06-20-1892 - Katherin Prescott Bemis - d. 5-xx-1974
singer: KOA Denver, Colorado
06-20-1893 - Edwin Wolfe - d. 9-23-1983
actor: Curt Bradley "Pepper Young's Family"
06-20-1897 - Bob Howard - W. Newton, MA - d. 12-4-1986
pianist-singer: "Calsodent Presents Bob Howard"; "Sing It Again"
06-20-1904 - Matt Crowley - New Haven, CT - d. 3-10-1983
actor: Mark Trail "Mark Trail"; Buck Rogers "Buck Rogers"
06-20-1905 - Lillian Hellman - New Orleans, LA - d. 6-30-1984
author: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
06-20-1909 - Errol Flynn - Hobart, Tasmania - d. 10-14-1959
actor: Christopher Casanova "Modern Adventures of Casanova"; "Lux
Radio Theatre"
06-20-1911 - Edward Eager - Toledo, OH - d. 10-23-1964
writer: "Jane Pickens Show"
06-20-1911 - Gail Patrick - Birmingham, AL - d. 7-6-1980
actor: "The Dreft Star Playhouse"
06-20-1913 - Al Gallodoro - Birmingham, AL - d. 10-4-2008
jazz saxophonist: "The Paul Whiteman Show"; "The Henry Morgan Show"
06-20-1924 - Audie Murphy - Kingston, TX - d. 5-28-1971
world war II hero, actor: "Cavalcade of America"
06-20-1924 - Billie Lou Watt - St. Louis, MO - d. 9-7-2001
actor: "Land of the Free"; "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
06-20-1924 - Chet Atkins - Luttrell, TN - d. 6-30-2001
guitarist: "Boone County Neighbors"; "Grand Ole Opry"
06-20-1931 - Martin Landau - Brooklyn, NY
actor: "No Love Lost"
06-20-1948 - Tess Brady - Adelaide, Australia
writer: "Anthony"
June 20th deaths
01-05-1882 - Herbert Bayard Swope - d. 6-20-1958
editor, journalist: "Information Please"
01-24-1883 - Estelle Winwood - Lee, Kent, England - d. 6-20-1984
actor: "Theatre Guild On the Air"
02-25-1917 - Michael Morris - Russia - d. 6-20-2003
writer: "Mr. and Mrs. North"; "Hollywood Story"
03-04-1907 - Edgar Barrier - NYC - d. 6-20-1964
actor: Simon Templar "The Saint"
03-31-1903 - Ralph Atlass - d. 6-20-1979
Chicaco radio pioneer
04-05-1911 - Gordon Jones - Alden, IA - d. 6-20-1963
actor: Pete Thompson "Meet Mr. McNutley"
04-20-1898 - Sidney Lanfield - Chicago, IL - d. 6-20-1972
film director: "Screen Director's Playhouse"
04-22-1916 - Maurice Webster - Gibbon, NE - d. 6-20-2001
announcer: "Scattergood Baines"; "Meet the Missus"; "Surprise Party"
05-12-1901 - Whitey "Duke" Ford - De Soto, MO - d. 6-20-1986
comedian: (Duke of Paducah) "Grand Ole Opry"; "Plantation Party"
05-15-1904 - Clifton Fadiman - Brooklyn, NY - d. 6-20-1999
emcee: "Information, Please"; "Conversation"; "RCA Magic Key"
05-30-1913 - Julian Blaustein - NYC - d. 6-20-1995
writer: "Cavalcade of America"
08-05-1912 - Lew Valentine - San Benito, TX - d. 6-20-1976
quizmaster: Mennen Jury Trials"; "Dr. [removed], the Mental Banker"
08-10-1902 - Louise Massey - Midland, TX - d. 6-20-1983
singer: (Louise Massey and the Westerners) "National Barn Dance";
"Show Boat"
08-19-1870 - Bernard Baruch - Camden, SC - d. 6-20-1965
guest: "Tex and Jinx"
08-22-1906 - James Meighan - NYC - d. 6-20-1970
actor: Michael Waring "The Falcon"; Peter Carver "Lora Lawton"
09-03-1918 - Donna King - Salt Lake City, UT - d. 6-20-2007
singer: (The King Sisters) "Horace Heidt and His Brigadiers"; "Al
Pearce and His Gang"
09-14-1914 - Robert McCloskey - Hamilton, OH - d. 6-20-2003
author: "Books Bring Adventure"
10-09-1897 - Robert Armbruster - Philadelphia, PA - d. 6-20-1994
conductor: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"; "Cousin Willie"
10-15-1918 - Bobby Gimby - Cabri, Saskatchewan, Canada - d. 6-20-1998
musician, songwriter: "Happy Gang"
Ron
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