Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #30
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Date: 1/28/2002 9:03 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 30
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Lois Culver's Chat Rroom              [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  OTR Interest 70s,80s                  [ "John edwards" <jcebigjohn41@hotmai ]
  Re: Cincinnati Convention             [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  1940 Glenn Miller Chesterfield Show   [ "John Sellards" <vanmeterannie@yaho ]
  Edgar Bergen, Charlie McCarthy        [ "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@ezlin ]
  Eyes shut tight                       [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Re: Julius LaRosa Fired om the Air    [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
  No "Live Only" Rule at Mutual         [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
  Re: Recorded Actualities              [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Fools to the left, jokers to the rig  [ "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@hotmail ]
  Song request                          [ "welsa" <welsa@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:40:08 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Lois Culver's Chat Rroom

in Ryan Hall's recent posting, he stated;

I have to say that in my own personal experience, when I finally got hooked
up to the internet, I was astounded that there were other people like me who
liked OTR.

Since Ryan saw fit to mention my name later in his posting, I see no reason
why I can't add my two cents worth. First, I must respond and react to
Ryan's first sentence above. There are no "People like Ryan". He is unique.
And he is a lot of fun to "spar" with in Lois's Chat Room. I thoroughly
enjoy kidding around with Ryan. He is a bright and quick witted young man.
He goes on to say;

Then when I discovered the internet OTR realm with this digest and Lois'
chatroom, and actually got to meet some people online like Harry Bartell and
others, even the (in)famous Jughead.

See what I mean? This brash young man zings me all the time in the "room",
(And I love it). But the main reason for my interest in [removed] the lovely
young Jennifer Pope who is also a regular in the [removed] the fact that it
is so gratifying to see the younger generation expressing such interest in
the OTR hobby. Whatever you OTR "oldtimer" hobbyists can do to encourage the
youth of America to explore OTR for the fun of it, the Hobby will greatly
benefit from the infusion of such nice young (and delightfully brash) OTR
fans as those two. Ryan ended his posting by saying;

Well, enough about myself. Just thought I'd put my two cents [removed]

Ryan, for my money, your "two cents worth" is priceless. Keep the coins
flowing. But on second thought. Maybe You better save your pennies. You
might need 'em when I sue you for Defamation of Character.

In closing, those of you who haven't yet visited Lois Culvers OTR Chat Room,
I suggest you give it a try. We have fun with the repartee, the  good
natured kidding around, and even get to discuss OTR on occasion. :)

Hal(harlan)Stone
"Jughead"

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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:40:27 -0500
From: "John edwards" <jcebigjohn41@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR Interest 70s,80s

Hi, I was happy to see some of the positive posts about the Cincinnati
convention. I've been to everyone since 1989.  I have always felt welcome
and right at home.  Sharonville is a nice area & plenty of inexpensive
motels are available in addition to the one at the convention. Being
centrally located is a real plus for midwesterners.
    Jim Knaggs asked if interest in OTR was as great in the 70s,80s, & early
90s as it is today.  I would say it probably was if not more so only in a
different way.  Back in the 70s & 80s I did much more trading than I have
over the last several years, but the best thing about trading is the
friendships you build up and the working out of the trades (kind of like
trading baseball cards as a kid). One thing that is really better now is
that you can get on the internet and get dates, program numbers and other
data on the shows from the many radio logs posted, also find out which shows
are available & circulating.  It has rekindled my interest in trading for
shows that I am missing that otherwise I would not know were available. I
wish there were more traders still using reel to reel, but it is great to
see younger collectors keeping the collecting & interest in OTR alive &
expanding.  Thanks [removed]

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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:41:34 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Cincinnati Convention

"Martin Grams, Jr." posted some info about the Cincinnati Convention, dates,
etc.

April 19 and 20, 2002.  Friday is 9 am to 9 pm, Saturday 9 am to 4 pm.
The convention has an informal get-together where early birds show up on
Thursday, usually about 6 to 9 pm.

For what it's worth, Bob Burchett has graciously extended an invitation for
me to attend the Convention this year. I'll be one of the "early birds"that
Martin mentioned. (Darn,I owe Charlie Summers and Ted Davenport some
drinks). consequently, those two "early birds" won't get the worm, unless
it's the one at the bottom of the Tequila bottle). I look forward to meet
all of you Digest Subscribers who will be able to make it there. It will be
my first time at this particular venue, and I'm really looking forward to
it.

Martin goes on to say;

If you planning on attending by yourself, you can easily find someone on the
OTR Digest here, planning to attend, and can split hotel costs - hint, hint.

Sorry, not with me however. I'm bringing my Lovely wife. :)

Hal(Harlan)Stone
"Jughead"


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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:39:31 -0500
From: "John Sellards" <vanmeterannie@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 1940 Glenn Miller Chesterfield Show

Does anybody know if the December 25, 1940 Chesterfield program exists in
its entirety?  I just bought a stack of old Wilcox-Gay Recordio discs at a
junk store, and I have a couple of numbers from that show - just wondering
if the whole thing is around.

Thanks!

John Sellards
[removed]

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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 10:41:26 -0500
From: "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Edgar Bergen, Charlie McCarthy

Hello Gang:
As a 7 year old kid in 1941 and a constant listener of radio programs,
I heartily agree with Stephen A. Kallis, Jr's statement in the last
Digest regarding the listening of OTR with your eyes open. In fact,
I'd be in a helluva fix today if I didn't because I always listen to OTR
while driving.
Another side note regarding Julius LaRosa. I remember seeing him in a
USO show in Dallas, Texas in the mid '50's not long after he left the
Arthur Godfrey Show.
I recently purchased some 33 1/3 RPM albums (remember them) at
the local auction house. To my surprise, there was an album called
Lessons in Ventriloquism  EDGAR BERGEN with CHARLIE
MCCARTHY and MORTIMER SNERD. They are shown on the
front. But I was very disappointed to find the recording was absent.
Anyway, I thought the liner notes on the back were very informative
and would like to share them with you.
EDGAR BERGEN and CHARLIE teamed up in 1922, while Bergen
was a senior in High School and they've been partners ever since.
Edgar Bergen is the most famous ventriloquist in history.
Millions of laughter-hungry people in dozens of lands have thrilled to
Charlie McCarthy and Mortimer Snerd.
Edgar Bergen has appeared in more than fifteen major motion pictures.
Charlie McCarthy is the most unusual and valuable block of wood in
the world. He has appeared before the royalty of England and
Sweden and before two Presidents in the White House and has been
mentioned three times in the Congressional Record.
After three months on radio in the early days, Bergen had his own
show with the biggest rating of all times. Bergen had a Hooper rating
of 49, which was only exceeded by a Presidential speech. In New
England a test was made and it was found that 83% of the listening
public was tuned into Charlie McCarthy on Sunday night.
Edgar Bergen appeared on a weekly television show called "Do You
Trust Your Wife?" for nearly two years, and of course Charlie and
Mortimer were always with him.
BERGEN-MCCARTHY "firsts" include:
First major comedy radio program to originate network broadcasts
from a military base.
First radio program to hold No. 1 position on both Hooper and
Crossley ratings for more than one consecutive year.
First ventriloquist named "Contributing Editor" by Encyclopedia
Britannica.
First major comedy program to be filmed for television in a motion
picture studio with an audience.
First filmed program to be telecast simultaneosly from coast to coast.
First television show to be seen across the country in all principal
cities on the same day.
BERGEN-MCCARTHY awards include:
Crossley citation for variety program with greatest listening audience
in radio history.
The Royal Order of Vasa and The Order of North Star conferred by
King Gustav V of Sweden.
Special Oscar from Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences.
Edgar Bergen was the first President of the Academy of Television
Arts and Sciences.

Charlie McCarthy received an honorary degree of MASTER OF
INNUENDO AND SNAPPY COMEBACKS from Northwestern
University which reads:
"Mr. McCarthy has been a student in absentia for many years. He is
known for his wit and wisdom, not to mention his willingness to
borrow all his ideas from the person nearest him;  a prince of parasites,
violent in company, churlish in behavior, acid in conversation and
in all other aspects a typical product of higher learning in America.
Mr. McCarthy is a nationally known contributor to the field of
entertainment which deserves the fate he has brought upon it."
Signed
Ralph Dennis
Dean - School of Speech
Northwestern University

This recording was produced by Vivian Jupiter
A JURO CELEBRITY RECORD
Juro Novelty Co. 18 East 18th Street, New York, [removed]

Anybody have the actual recording or have any more information
about it to contribute would be appreciated.

Don Dean

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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:10:47 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Eyes shut tight

Jim Knaggs posted,

Turn on your favorite OTR program, close your eyes <snip>, and you are
experiencing essentially exactly the same thing <snip> that a person
listening to that program was experiencing when they listened to it first
run.

The Stephan Kallis responded, tongue in cheek;

But having lived through the period, I must gently point out you're in
error.  There was a whole thing about listening to OTR back then. <SNIP>
But it was rare that any would have their eyes closed.

I guess I was one of the rare one's Stephan. Primarily when it came to
listening to "Inner Sanctum" or "Lights out" in my bedroom at night. Not
only did I have my eyes closed (tight), but more than likely, with the
blanket pulled tightly over my head. :)

Then again, if one was in the living room listening to radio with their eyes
closed, it probably meant that dozed off because the show had not held their
attention. Right, Stephan?

Hal(Harlan)Stone
"Jughead"

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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:11:17 -0500
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Julius LaRosa Fired om the Air

 Imo, he was not fired on the air and i thought Arthur handled it very well.
Unfortunately in this country, and i guess others as well, most of the people
are too often told what to believe and/or how to interpret by the all mighty
press and they subcomb to such. If the press had made nothing of the
situation, then it would have been forgotten and taken as a mutual
separation, which it was. The spin of the press, however, sold many more
copies of whatever they were selling and was also a convenient vehicle for
LaRosa and/or his agent to boost the recognition of Julius. Thanks, Tom for
the written script which i still see to support Arthurs good intention. I
still believe the announcement was to be a pleasant surprise to Julius in
agreeing to Julius own desire for his release.

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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:33:42 -0500
From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: No "Live Only" Rule at Mutual

"A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed]; writes:

As I understand it, ABC broke the live broadcast rule somewhat earlier
than 1949 with Bing Crosby.

In fact, Mutual never really had a "live only" rule at all. I'll have to
check the tape I have of it, but as I recall "The Roy Rogers Show" on V-E
day was particularly interesting to listen to because they had to have a
utility announcer mixed in to comment about the Nazi surrender and there was
no comment at all about it from Roy or his castmates (I think Porter Hall
was the guest that night) during the show itself.

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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:36:48 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Recorded Actualities

Mike Biel notes,

But getting back to the original context of my statement, the use of
re-creations on The March Of Time, this is just the sort of program
which NBC and CBS would NEVER have let use recorded actualities during
the 1930s and most of the 1940s.  I've seen the memos of refusal in the
NBC files when similar programs requested permission to use short
recorded actualities.

There are instances of this as far back as 1934-35 -- perhaps the most
notable being the case of the "Pathe News of the Air." This was a series
developed by the Pathe newsreel organization, which used actuality cuts
from newsreel soundtracks to present a resume of the news of the week.
While the program was probably inspired by the March of Time, it did that
series one better by featuring the actual voices of newsmakers.

Pathe sold sponsorship of the series to the Emerson Drug Company, makers
of Bromo Seltzer, and Emerson tried to buy time on  NBC -- only to be
rejected because of the no-recordings policy (even though Pathe was owned
at this point by RKO -- which had incestuous ties with NBC via their
common link to RCA!). Emerson then turned to CBS, and was rebuffed again.
The company finally placed the series on Mutual during the spring of
1935, where it had a moderately-successful run and drew high praise from
Radio Guide -- which ridiculed NBC and CBS for their shortsighted policy
which let such a fine program get away.

It's interesting to note that both the fan press and the trade press
fully and enthusiastically accepted recorded programming as early as the
early 1930s -- the only people who were against it were the executives at
NBC and CBS. Given how common syndicated and extension-spotting
recordings had become by the early thirties, it's quite evident that most
listeners couldn't have cared less if a program was live or coming from a
disc -- and that in most cases, they couldn't even tell.

Elizabeth

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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:56:13 -0500
From: "Dave Walter" <fredallenfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Fools to the left, jokers to the right

Wich2@[removed] quotes me and responds:

[Elia] Kazan has been generally arrogant about his own misconduct during
the Fifties ... But, of course, Kazan sold out people he knew on a
first-name basis to HUAC in order to get hundreds of thousands of dollars 
and a Warner Brothers contract, so why should it surprise that he'd malign
the reputation of someone he DIDN'T know?

Yes, and I was fed this Standard Line at NYU in the 70's, too: "The folks 
on the Left side of the "McCarthy Years" were all White Knights, and those
on the Right, Tools of Satan".

That is most certainly NOT my attitude. I have less regard (if that's even 
possible) for Joe Stalin than I have for Joe McCarthy. At least Mac The 
Knife never signed a treaty with Hitler's clique or forced millions of his 
fellow citizens into concentration camps. And, last time I checked, the 
Rosenbergs were not performing artists, nor was Alger Hiss. The attempt to 
compare blacklisting in broadcasting to pro-Soviet espionage is ridiculous. 
Can anyone reading this digest name a single person on the networks' 
blacklist who was ever established to be a spy? The very idea is ludicrous.

Elia Kazan finked in order to improve his own career, knowing full well it 
would throw many who had confided in him out of the same profession. If any 
of those named by Kazan were found to be spies or saboteurs, they should 
have been punished. The fact that they weren't proves the moral bankruptcy 
of the whole McCarthy/HUAC campaign and Kazan's complicity in it for his own 
benefit. That's contempable conduct regardless of which side of the 
political ledger someone shows up on.

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Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:56:22 -0500
From: "welsa" <welsa@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Song request

Anyone know where I might find a recording, preferably on tape, of a vocal
arrangement of the Halls of Ivy theme song?  I've done several Internet
searches, and nothing so far, except one on ebay--which is not my favorite
way to buy things.

Ted

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