Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #258
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 8/9/2001 12:28 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2001 : Issue 258
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  DVD/VCD/MP3 Apex AD500W               [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
  Stereo TV and Radio                   [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
  The Length of Radio Dramas            [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Fantasound "Stereo"                   [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Old Time Stereo - Yes                 [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
  When Radio Was -- One Hour, not half  [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
  Re: Koss CDP-3000 CD--update          [ "D'Alessio Mario-DALESSI0" <[removed] ]
  New York City station WMCA            [ khovard@[removed] ]
  LOC Holdings                          [ "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@worldnet. ]
  Reporter Query                        [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
  "Stereo" hokum                        [ "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed]; ]
  Re: LOC, Again                        [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  PAUL FREES INTERVIEW                  [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
  HOUSE OF MYSTERY                      [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
  Imagination Theatre Site              [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
  Sheila Macrae                         [ "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@nfoli ]
  Fwd: Al Pearce                        [ JayHick@[removed] ]
  Old Time Stereo                       [ "glen" <gschroeder10@[removed]; ]
  Re: old-time stereo                   [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
  Childhood's End                       [ passage@[removed] ]
  LOC holdings and D Bacca's query      [ khovard@[removed] ]

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 09:42:56 -0400
From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  DVD/VCD/MP3 Apex AD500W

Folks;

   Mr. Noble's post about the Daewoo DVD player DVG-3000N promted me to post
about my "cheapie" DVD purchase, the Apex AD500W.

   Just a snitch of background; it's been anecdotal that the Japanese-made
DVDs (Sony, Panasonic, most "name" brands) have problems playing
home-recorded ("burned") audio CDs, etc., where the Chinese-made units
(off-brand machines) tend to be much better in this regard. Knowing this, I
was keeping an eye out for a "cheapie" DVD primarily to play my daughter's
growing collection of VCDs (VideoCDs, which are popular in South-East Asia,
but almost unheard of here (except in some specialty shops in Asian
neighborhoods in larger cities). See, as soon as I get the cartoon VCDs in, I
burn a copy and use that copy (she's a three-year-old, you know?); if it gets
scratched, I just burn another [removed] no tape wear-out from the 50th
viewing of Tweety Bird cartoons.

   So I was looking for a DVD player that would handle [removed] found
it in the Apex AD500W. While wandering through Sam's Club one day, we saw
this unit available at $125, and _almost_ bought it. When we hit the
neighboring WalMart for some things Sam's didn't have, and saw the exact same
unit for $99, we just couldn't resist it.

   When I got it home, the first thing I threw at it was the burned VCD
copies that Katie up until now could only watch on her [removed] they
played perfectly. Then a DVD we had purchased a while back (an I Spy disc
that contains the episode, "Danny was a Million Laughs," guest-starring
Jeanette Nolan), and no problem. A few audio CDs, and again, no sweat.

   Then came the MP3 discs. There are a couple of limitations; subdirectory
levels are limited to one, which made a music MP3 disc I burned of the entire
Billy Joel catlaog lose a couple of deeply-nested directories (Including
"Cold Spring Harbor," one of my personal favorites, although hardly a
critical success). Also, of course, this deck won't play a
Macintosh-formatted disc (none of 'em do), but since Macs can easily burn
"hybrid" discs that can be properly read on both (I haven't seen a Windows
burner that could do this simple task correctly yet), that isn't a problem,
either.

   The real question, though, is could the deck handle the low sample rates
most OTR is encoded at? The [removed] bet'cha! I poped in a disc I had
burned, and out came hours and hours [removed] Blackie! (Ok, ok, I admit, I
might have considered something else; or at least not so many episodes at
once. I'm still recovering, and it's been two months.)

   About the only thing this deck _won't_ play are the 12" laserdiscs I
[removed] matter how hard I tried, I just couldn't get the darned things into
it.

   In the event the machine requires a firmware upgrade, they will (according
to the manual) be made available for a reasonable price on their website.

   For an inexpensive DVD player that handles all of those classic DVDs out
there (Saw "Casablanca" for $15 last nigght, and almost bought it to add ot
my MGM Laserdisck, Critarian Laserdisc, Beta, and VHS copies), inexpensive
imported VCDs, as well as burned audio and MP3 discs, you can't go wrong with
the Apex AD500W. Now if they only made a [removed]

         Charlie

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:14:45 -0400
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Stereo TV and Radio

TOM: I remember that in the '50s WQXR occasionally fed stereo through its AM
and FM signals, but that doesn't answer your questions. But your post DOES
tweak memories, and I vaguely recall a few occasions wherein a TV station
would send out a stereo broadcast via the TV audio and a "friendly" AM or FM
station. It probably was PBS Channel 13 and WNYC or WQXR. Just guessing.


Bill Knowlton, "BLUEGRASS RAMBLE," WCNY-FM: Syracuse, Utica, Watertown NY
(since Jan. 1973). Sundays, 9 pm est: [removed]

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:02:49 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Length of Radio Dramas

Philip Railsback, speaking of OTR dramas, asks,

I suspect that 2 hours of sitting in front of the radio for one show
was just too much for most
people.  Was that the case?  I know I've never heard a show longer than
an hour.

Actually, there's some truth in that.  But there's also some reason why.
When i was growing up in the OTR era, we may have spent several hours in
the evening listening to radio programs, but no comedy or drama longer
than an hour.  However, listening to a show isn't the same as watching a
film or telecast.  There's a necessary "time compression" effect in radio
drama.  as has been pointed out before, in War of the Worlds, from the
time the first Martian cylinder landed in Grovers Mills NJ until the time
a remote was established was minutes, whereas in real life, if it landed
at the beginning of the Mercury Theater program, they'd still bed setting
up the remote as the show was concluding.  As a result of this
time-compression effect, there's something like a 2:1 ratio in comparison
to TV or film, and a half-hour radio show is about the equivalent of an
hour telecast.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:57:54 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Fantasound "Stereo"

"roncarol," speaking of TV-radio stereo, notes,

I do remember that Walt Disney did a broadcast of "Fantasia" in the
early 60's ( or late 50's)
with the method you described.

Fantasia would make a good choice for the radio-TV-radio arrangement
because of the nature of the "Fantasound" process it used.  Basically,
its "directionality" in the theaters was a signal-switching technique
between center, right, and left speakers rather than the stereo method we
are familiar with.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:57:52 -0400
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Old Time Stereo - Yes

Hi Gang -                  August 9, 2001 - Thursday - 9 AM cdt

In issue 256, Tom Barnett asked a two part question:
two questions:

 ... I remember my Great Grandfather telling me of days when (at the
 beginning of Television) radio was used to add dimension to television
 sound.   ...  The stereo effect was achieved by broadcasting one channel
 as part of the television feed - and the second channel was sent out over
 radio.   ...

 a) is this true (or was Pappy fibbing again)?
 b) Would a broadcast station turn over their airwaves to be a symmetrical
        leg to television?

Yes, it is true that some TV stations and even some Network TV
teamed up with radio stations to provide stereophonic broadcasts.
These were usually special things, only a few such broadcasts
a year, and usually involved musical productions.

The following is from my memory.  Details may be hazy:

In Chicago, WNBQ (channel 5) and WMAQ (670 AM) were both owned
and operated by NBC and both broadcast from the Merchandise Mart.
At that time, the network supported the "NBC Chicago Orchestra"
under the direction of Joseph Gallicchio.  Several concerts were broadcast
locally with TV sound on one channel, and Radio sound on the other.

On the TV network (NBC I Think), I remember only one such broadcast
in 1953.  I believe it was the "Telephone Hour", and it was one of the first
COLOR TV specials.  The network fed both picture and sound to stations
all over the United States.  Although only a small part of the audience had
access to a color picture, every B&W TV owner had access to stereo sound.
Those without television, could enjoy the (monaural) broadcast on the radio.

As I recall, the radio program started 30 minutes before television "joined"
the broadcast.  There were radio announcements advising the audience
where to place the radio to best complement the TV sound.

They did not call it "stereo", and I don't think they called it "binaural"
either.
I don't remember what they called it.  There may have been a second such
broadcast in 1954.   The sound was quite good, as long at the TV signal
was not "snowy".

Happy Taping --  Ken Piletic - Streamwood, Illinois
kenpiletic@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 10:57:50 -0400
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  When Radio Was -- One Hour, not half-hour

In a message dated 08/08/2001 8:51:49 PM Central Daylight Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:

   On the subject on OTR on KMOX  today is I think they run (at 2:00 [removed])
 "When Radio Was" which I don't think is to good to listen to the way the
 shows are cut up and shortened to fit the half hour but that's ' NEW OTR' I
 guess.

Hi Harold -                                  August 9, 2001 - 9:30 AM cdt

Just for what it's [removed]  "When Radio Was" programs are 60 minutes
long.  During that time, a complete half-hour program (uncut) is broadcast
and either a 15 minute program or "half" of a 30 minutes program is
broadcast.  The last 15 minutes are used for "new" commercials.

Perhaps you are refering to the "half" programs, which are completed
the next day.  Yes, those programs are stopped, but not "shortened"  to make
them fit.  The entire OTR programs - usually including commercials -
are broadcast.

By the way, they are broadcast at midnight on WBBM, Chicago.
I generally listen to Art Bell at that time.   I have most of the OTR
programs that WRW broadcasts in my collection already.

Hope to see you in Newark.

Happy Taping -- Ken
kenpiletic@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:48:16 -0400
From: "D'Alessio Mario-DALESSI0" <[removed]'alessio@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Koss CDP-3000 CD--update

And the search continues for an MP3 CD player that
can handle our OTR CDs.

The search has ended (quite a while ago, actually).
Get a RioVolt. It's by far the best right now for OTR.
Email me for addl details.

Mario

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:48:14 -0400
From: khovard@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  New York City station WMCA

Can anyone tell me  which radio station succeeded radio station WMCA?

Howard

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:48:12 -0400
From: "Brian Johnson" <CHYRONOP@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  LOC Holdings

D. Bacca questions about the Library of Congress holdings: "...what possible
benefit would it be to the copyright`s holders (or to anyone else) of such
an arrangement, having the programs essentially locked up in this manner?"


The benefit to the copyright owner is tremendous to donate this material and
lockup the archives. One, they get a vast tax write-off to "donate" the
materials. Secondly, they free-up all that precious office space and
personnel it took to hold it themselves. And most importantly, they did the
first two without actually having to give up "ownership." The discs belong
to "the people" but the sounds on them are the "intellectual property" of
NBC and a host of others. So we get the "pleasure" for paying for the
NBC/Mutual archival effort but none of the pleasure of actually listening to
the collection.

Brian

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:48:09 -0400
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Reporter Query

Ralph Blumenthal of the New York Times Arts & Leisure section sends the
following query in addition to his interest in attending Friends of Old Time
Radio in Newark this year -

"Sean, thanks. Will definitely try to make it. Please put me on the press
list. I'm particularly interested in broadcasts by Warden Lewis E. Lawes of
Sing Sing. Any leads? Many thanx! Ralph Blumenthal
"

Can anyone help him?  E-mail me privately if you can help him track down
these broadcasts.

Thanks,

Sean Dougherty
kubelski@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:48:07 -0400
From: "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  "Stereo" hokum

    I do recall the days of "stereo" hokum, where a TV station and a radio
station would carry the same program.   Think about it.   What you would
have would be two channels of MONO folks.
    In other words, two channels of the same thing.   Unless one channel had
separate mics placed some distance away to get the ambiance, and then fed
each mic channel separately, you ain't got no stereo.   In feeding separate
mic signals, you have binaural sound, which can have great depth.   That may
have been the rare case.   But mostly it was done to "simulate stereo."
    The simulated stereo has taken the form of emphasizing lows on one one
speaker and highs on the other.   Not until the matrixing system of stereo
came along did FM stations have the ability to broadcast a stereo signal.
    If you want my honest option, I say get rid of FM stereo and have a mono
signal.   Then EQ one speaker for lows and EQ the other for highs.
  Bingo -- right away you will eliminate or sharply reduce FM's horrible
picket fence/multi-path problem that's especially a bummer in the city.
And the plague of car radios.
    Oh, you want some "depth."   No problem, my low/high system would have a
knob called "depth," which would be a reverb/time delay to give you that
concert hall effect.  :)

Jim Stokes,
NaturaLite Pictures,
producers of that New York-based comedy/adventure movie, "There's Danger In
Romance."

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 11:54:35 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: LOC, Again

On 8/9/01 9:42 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

what possible benefit would
it be to the copyright`s holders (or to anyone else) of such an
arrangement, having the programs essentially locked up in this manner?
While I understand the function and intent of the loc, given the extent
of the otr community and the state of modern recording technology, I
cannot understand why this would longer be necessary?

The legalities involved are more complex than questions of simply
releasing or not releasing the program materials to anyone who wants them
-- and to understand this it's essential to think not like an OTR fan,
but like a corporate intellectual property lawyer. In the case of the NBC
Collection at the LOC -- which makes up about half of the Library's radio
holdings - the physical artifacts of the recordings belong to NBC, but
the intellectual property on those recordings can belong to a wide range
of other parties, ranging from advertising agencies to individual writers
and producers. And then there's the question of mechanical-reproduction
rights for any and all copyrighted musical compositions contained in the
individual programs. (More than one smalltime CD distributor has been
busted by the Harry Fox Agency in recent years for neglecting their
obligations in this area.)

That being the case, there's simply no way to legally release these
materials without elaborate research being done to determine precisely
who owns those rights and securing the necessary clearance. It *is*
possible to do this -- Radio Spirits has done so with a number of
programs over the years, and there are other vendors who have done so
with certain classical-music programs in the NBC Collection.

But for this to be commercially viable, there has to be enough of a
market for the materials to produce a decent return on the investment of
doing all the legal legwork on top of all the other expenses -- and
realistically speaking, for most OTR, that market just isn't there. As
much, for example, as I would love to see the complete 1935 thru 1937 run
of "Easy Aces" or the long run of 1935-40 Fred Allen programs held by the
LOC to be released to the public, there's no way enough of a market
exists for these programs for such a release to be commercially viable --
especially if there's the risk that if a commercial release were made, it
would end up being copied and distributed all over the world for free by
the MP3 crowd. Not to sound like a shill for RS (which I certainly am
not) but the prevailing "why buy the cow when you can get the milk thru
the fence" gimme-gimme-gimme attitude in the internet-era OTR world
*does* tend to work against any prospects for licensed commercial release
of limited-market material. People may not like to hear it, but that's
the barefaced reality of the situation.

Under such conditions, the only material that's ever likely to receive
widespread commercial release is the big-name stuff that Joe and Mary
Costcoshopper would recognize. Large-scale commercial vendors *don't*
target their releases to advanced OTR collectors for good reason: there's
simply not enough money in it to offset the costs of clearing rights on
the material. And if you take the approach of *not* clearing rights on
the material, you have *zero* chance of gaining commercial access to LOC
holdings. The law is the law, and LOC follows it to the letter -- because
they are required to do so.

It is of course possible for individual researchers to listen to LOC
material for free at the Recorded Sound Reference Center, and it is also
possible to acquire copies of such material for private use if you're
willing to jump thru the hoops and pay the fees. There would certainly
have been no access for anyone (except internal sneak thieves) if NBC had
simply locked up the discs in a warehouse, or even worse, allowed them to
be bulldozed into a pit and paved over, dumped in the ocean, or set on
fire. When it becomes a question of either donating the materials to a
secured archive or simply destroying them to prevent illegal use -- well,
if you were an intellectual property lawyer at NBC, which would *you*
recommend?

Elizabeth

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:56:09 -0400
From: PURKASZ@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  PAUL FREES INTERVIEW

    Would Ben Ohmart be kind enough to share that interview with Paul Frees?
    I am sure I am not alone in wanting to hear it. I am assuming it is an
audio interview.
    Please let us know where we can download that item Mr. Ohmart, or at
least how we can hear it.
    Much appreciated and many thanks.
                     <A HREF="[removed],+Michael+C.">
Michael C. Gwynne</A>

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:56:26 -0400
From: PURKASZ@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  HOUSE OF MYSTERY

    Can anyone help me with The House of Mystery?
    It was on at 5:30 in the East Coast afternoon on WOR and was a 15 minute
show (as so many of the serials were) that completed a story every week. The
premise was to set you up with spooky and mysterious happenings and then in
the last episode on Friday a "natural" cause would be revealed, to show that
the "supernatural" wasn't real after all
    For instance there was a story about a man who got up in the middle of the
night (presumably to pee but no one peed in those days), and saw a glowing
skeleton in his room. This was pretty scary to a 7 or 8 year old kid at the
time, presented dramatically with lurid organ music, than which there is
little scarier.
    One of the scariest shows I ever heard was about a merchant sailor who
hated
mirrors and whenever he came into port and stayed in the waterfront hotel,
he would demand a room without mirrors. One night though by mistake they left
a
mirror in his room and when he turned around and suddenly was confronted by
it, THE FACE HE SAW WAS NOT HIS OWN. Ooooooh!!

    That scared me plenty and then my parents shipped me off to summer camp
before I heard the last episode that cooled everything out. I begged them to
listen for me and tell me the ending but they didn't and to this day I have
an unexplained fright lodging in me that is waiting to be explained away.

    So I've searched for House of Mystery episodes for a long time, even
though
the chances of finding that particular one, even if I COULD find some shows,
would be remote. Still, I'd love to hear any of the shows.
                            Misty

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:56:35 -0400
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Imagination Theatre Site

   I checked yesterday with Dave Adams of Transmedia,
the syndicators of Imagination Theatre, he said the
site is temporarily down, but will be back up soon.
The shows can still be heard on whatever radio station
in your area that carries them. They will be back on
the internet soon.
                      Larry Albert

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 12:56:33 -0400
From: "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Sheila Macrae

Thnaks to Frosty & Tom for correcting me. Of course, it was
Sheila Macrae. Meredith would have only been about 9 years
old at the time. That shows what almost 50 years can do to your
memory. Meredith Macrae was born May 30, 1944  and played
the role of Billie Joe on the old tv series Petticoat Junction. She
died Friday July 14, 2000 at her home in Manhattan Beach of
brain cancer. Interested in more about her? Try checking this
website for her obituary, etc.   [removed]

Don Dean

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:28:21 -0400
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Fwd: Al Pearce

In a message dated 8/9/01 11:31:56 AM, laraine@[removed] writes:

I would like to obtain a short biography on Al Pearce, of old-time radio,
& his characters Eb & Zeb. So far, I haven't been able to find anything on
the Internet. Do you know of any place I can look?

My friend has been interviewing her father & it was he that remembers
listening to this show when he was young & it was one of his family's
favourites.

Thank you for any information.

Laraine Smith

laraine@[removed]

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:28:20 -0400
From: "glen" <gschroeder10@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Old Time Stereo

Hi Tom and list.

Your grandpa wasn't spoofing you about radio and TV stereo. When I was 10 or
11 in the late 50's I can remember a couple of shows being done in this
strange stereo. I also remember my parents thinking my older brother and I
were strange for wanting to listen to the radio and the TV at the same time.
One of the shows, I remember was a Lawrence Welk special and the other I
remember was some kind of music special on NBC	. It didn't sound too good
because we had a rather small TV and a big Philco floor model radio. I also
remember a few years late before FM stereo came along when stations that had
both AM and FM  would do stereo programs. They sounded dumb because of the
difference in fidelity.

Glen Schroeder

Madison Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:28:18 -0400
From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: old-time stereo

Back in the glory days of Kinsler Hi-Fi Service, I'd occasionally get an old
tube-type stereo receiver--a Kenwood or a Pioneer or a Lafayette (quite
popular).  These devices were huge: I recall counting the tubes in one of
them, and there were 22, including four 6BQ5 output tubes.  The heat
generated was impressive, but the output power was maybe 12 watts per
channel.  The selector switches of these receivers were complex: AM, FM,
phono, tape, tape monitor, aux, and a few settings that I never did figure
out.

Once, one of these receivers just about drove me nuts.  Turned out that it
was set up for this AM-FM stereo business.  There were two tuning knobs, two
tuning scales, and two pointers.  When you set the selector switch to the
"AM/FM" setting it would play an AM station out of one speaker and the FM
station out of the other.  This is extremely interesting if you're trying to
figure out the tuner section of the receiver.  Took me a while to figure it
out.

Even though this receiver (and I suspect others) were set up for AM-FM
stereo broadcasts, I don't think that the idea ever left the experimental
stage.  Were programs ever regularly broadcast in this format in, say, New
York or Chicago?

M Kinsler

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:28:16 -0400
From: passage@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Childhood's End

Hi All,

Anyone know where I can get the BBC's adaptation of Clarke's
"Childhood's End"?

Frank

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Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:28:14 -0400
From: khovard@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  LOC holdings and D Bacca's query

D Bacca asked about programs that were unavailable to the general public
and  that were unlikely to ever be released on the commercial market.
Bacca  raised the question what possible benefit would it be to the
copyright`s holders (or to anyone else) of such an arrangement, having
the programs essentially locked up in this manner?

The possible benefit would be similar to the benefit of the Model T Ford
in my elderly neighbor's garage which he never uses. I would love to
drive it. But it ain't mine. My anaolgy is not airtight. But my point is
that Intellectual property is property.

Howard

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