Subject: [removed] Digest V2003 #138
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 4/2/2003 10:43 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 138
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
  Elizabeth's great find                [ "Jamie Kelly" <[removed]@[removed] ]
  Re: Different box numbers             [ Max Schmid <max@[removed]; ]
  Bill Bragg of YUSA will be guest at   [ "Paul Feavel" <otrarchive@[removed] ]
  Important New Find                    [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Jack Benny and Peter, Paul, and Mary  [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
  Re: Important Update                  [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  [removed]'s Mill/Bob & Ray        [ Derek Tague <derek@[removed]; ]
  Important New Find                    [ Tom Kleinschmidt <otr1962@[removed] ]
  cast of War of the Worlds             [ "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@neb. ]
  Re: Night of the Wolf                 [ passage@[removed] ]
  Important New Find                    [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]
  Re: Elizabeth's "Important New Find   [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
  Jewell Players                        [ oldpdb@[removed] (Paul Barringer) ]
  Can You Top This?                     [ Al Girard <24agirard24@[removed] ]
  dealers                               [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
  April 3rd Birth Dates                 [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  New OTR fans and Radio Spirits        [ "Cancilla Dominick" <[removed]@buc ]

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 04:52:06 -0500
From: lois@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

A weekly [removed]

For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
over six years, same time, same channel!

Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
Hollywood; a sound man from the same era who worked many of the top
Hollywood shows; a New York actor famed for his roles in "Let's Pretend" and
"Archie Andrews;" owners of some of the best OTR sites on the Web;
maintainer of the best-known OTR Digest (we all know who he is)..........

and Me

Lois Culver
KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
and widow of actor Howard Culver

(For more info, contact lois@[removed])

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:20:23 -0500
From: "Jamie Kelly" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Elizabeth's great find

Well done Elizabeth, what a great find, my heart stopped too as I read your
amazing message in the previous digest. the magnitude is just marvellous. I
would love so much for someone in Australia to come across a similar
collection as nothing exists of early radio broadcasts in Australia apart
from some private recordings made for radio stations by Columbia or
Vocalion.

I look forward to hearing some of the great material you speak of in due
course as it becomes available.

Jamie Kelly
Melbourne Australia

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:20:30 -0500
From: Max Schmid <max@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Different box numbers

Jean Shepherd frequently told of selling junk on "Hillbilly" radio, such as
The Roy Acuff Jukebox Bank.  Each announcer had a number of his own to
gauge the effectiveness of the pitch, and apparently he was quite good at
that too.

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:21:12 -0500
From: "Paul Feavel" <otrarchive@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bill Bragg of YUSA will be guest at REPS
 meeting April 5

REPS (Radio Enthusiasts of Puget Sound) has a late program change for this
Saturday's monthly meeting, April 5th.

Ray Erlenborn will not be in Seattle until Showcase in June.

Bill Bragg will be our guest this Saturday for a live in-person interview
and simultaneous radio/satellite/internet broadcast of our monthly meeting.

With 20 years' history programming OTR in innovative ways, Bill Bragg's YUSA
was one of the first internet radio stations and became one of the most
popular destinations on the world wide web for radio listeners.

YUSA may be heard over the internet at [removed] and is also
available via satellite, many cable TV operators and low-power FM
broadcasters.

As part of the program, we will be taking live call-in questions through the
YUSA California phone line at 714-454-2071.  We anticipate opening the line
for questions at about 2:45 Pacific Time, 5:45 pm Eastern Time.

We hope you'll join us for this interesting program.

If you're unable to join us in person, this is a rare opportunity to tune-in
and listen live to a REPS monthly program and toss in a question of your
own.  For more information, visit [removed]

What's happening with Ray Erlenborn?

Ray's dear wife Meridy, a regular visitor with us, has been in the hospital.
She's okay, but Ray needs to stay close, looking after her while she mends
for several weeks.  We wish Meridy a full and speedy recovery, and look
forward to seeing both our friends at Showcase and then again later in the
year when we will be able to reschedule Ray's planned sound effects
extravaganza.

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:21:26 -0500
From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Important New Find

Whilst what Elizabeth listed was way outside of my interests, I was
definately going to congratulate Elizabeth on the exciting find, there is
nothing more satisfying than finding something new and if anyone deserves
it, that would be Elizabeth.  Then I read the last line :)

Ian Grieve

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:21:46 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

 From Those Were The Days --

1947 - The Big Story was first heard on NBC. It stayed on the air for
eight years.

   Joe

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:23:41 -0500
From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jack Benny and Peter, Paul, and Mary

Jack wrote the ridiculous song,
and over time asked many people to record, publish, or perform the song.
Sometimes it ran week to week, and other times came up occasionally based
on the guest star(s).  It extended into television, with requests going to
Lawrence Welk, Dimitri Tiomkin, and Peter, Paul, and Mary.  Story arc or
running gag?

Uh, Peter Paul and Mary were on the Jack Benny program?  Yes, they must have
worked at the same time, but here in 2003 it's a bit of a surprise.

This sort of thing keeps me subscribed to the OTR list.  Absolutely
fascinating.  Thanks.

Mark Kinsler
512 E Mulberry St. Lancaster, Ohio USA 43130 740-687-6368
[removed]~mkinsler1

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:40:56 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Important Update

I want to thank all of you who've sent congratulatory messages about my
Important New Find -- many people have said many kind things that I
really didn't expect to hear about my work over the years, and all those
comments make me feel really, really guilty about what I have to say
[removed]

(lowers voice to abashed whisper)

***april fool!***

In all seriousness, I did try to make it as realistic as possible.
Maurice Wetzel really existed, he really was active in Chicago radio, he
worked for a time for the Brunswick recording studio in Chicago, he was a
friend of Orlando Marsh and E. C. Rayner, he spent much of 1925-27 trying
to convince the industry of the feasibility of recorded syndication of
radio programs, and he really did experiment extensively with recording
broadcasts off-the-air, using both cylinders and discs. And if you check
the March '29 Radio Digest, you'll see that there really is a reference
to his recording of the "Dodge Victory Hour" broadcast.

But what *happened* to his recordings has never been determined. Maybe
this will flush out a hidden heir, and the whole thing will turn out to
be true after all. If any Wetzel descendants happen to read this, and
have a storage locker full of funny-looking old records and stuff, I'd be
glad to talk with you about them.

Sorry to disappoint you -- I guess my years as a reporter/PR writer have
taught me to write  a bit too convincingly. (I always wondered how Orson
Welles got away with it -- now I know.)

But I do hope that one day I'll be able to post something like this for
real.

Elizabeth

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:40:59 -0500
From: Derek Tague <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  [removed]'s Mill/Bob & Ray

Hi Gang:

WARNING: Severe instances of name-dropping to the Munsick-ian degree ahead!

THE LEGION OF THE DEAD: I  thoroughly enjoyed this "Lights Out" re-enactment
on WBAI-FM (NYC) the other night courtesy of the Gotham Radio players. My only
objection was that Bill Nadel wasn't included in the cast. I feel Bill always
brings to his Gotham performances a certain sensitivity,  a trait  which would
have  more enhanced such a timely anti-war(in general, that is) story-line.
Bravo to Steve Lewis, Paul Becton, & the rest of the Gotham-ites.
     The best part about this presentation at the lengthy sit-down interview
the show's host/producer conducted with Howard Blue regarding his book "Words
at War." This interview (co-conducted by WBAI air personality Anne Marie
Hendrickson) was  rather insightful--particularly the parts about the WWII-era
radio show "The Man Behind the Gun," which put a human face on the average
soldier fighting overseas.
     If you haven't yet acquired a copy, I heard Howard has arranged for one
of leading purveyors of OTR tapes to sell copies on his behalf at the upcoming
Cincinnati convention.

GROVER'S MILL/WOTW: My apologies to "Our Gal Sunday" Barnara Watkins for
suggesting that nobody ever got up a side-trip to visit Grover's Mill in
conjunction with the FOTR/NJ convention in October. Barbara stated in her post
that this indeed occurred in 1988--the year before I started attending. Mea
culpa to the First Lady of SPERDVAC.
     In another post, the aforementioned Lee Munsick described  the
festivities concomitant with the 50th anniversary of WOTW at G's  Mill
& the wry off-handed comment a  wise-guy heckler shouted out during an FOTR
re-creation about the Martians never being able to find the convention thanks
to the ganglia of confusing roads between the Holiday Inn & Newark Airport. I
have heard  watered-down versions of this story
before  and much appreciated the Sage of Appomattox's first-hand account.
     However, I'd like to use this occasion to make two requests:
1) WOTW heckler: if you're reading this  [or if you're a subscriber who knows
the  wise-guy's [removed]] reveal thyself; normally I wouldn't condone shout-outs
from a live audience, but apparently you were the hit of the evening 15 years
ago, so evidently all is forgiven.
2) To me, the early days of OTR conventions are just as fascinating as the OTR
era itself. I gather this would be true to the younger fans & recently added
adherents who never had the opportunity to meet Frank Nelson, Kenny Delmar,
Bret Morrison, Willard Waterman, Florence Williams,
among others. To the long-time elder statesmen (and -women) hobbyists:
What were the earliest convention re-creations like?  What were conventions
like on a smaller scale? I'm not necessarily suggesting that you disseminate
any memories or anecdotes here on the Digest, but, please, at some point
record your memories for OTR scholars of the future.
The age of OTR fandom has probably now gone on longer than the OTR era
itself--there's  enough ground to cover.

BOB & RAY: Recent mention of Bob elliott's 80th biethday reminded me of this
story. Incumbent upon the above item, I'll start with the convention
anecdotes.
     One FOTR convention about ten years ago on the first  night (Thurs.) I
was sitting at a front-row table. Jay Hickerson was making the re-creation
introductions: "doing sound effects for our show tonight--represented the East
Coast, Robert Mott!..." [applause & cheers] "...and representing the West
Coast, Ray Erlenborn!" [applause & cheers]. I turned to my seatmate Mary Lou
Wallace & said "Hey? Bob & Ray!"
      Professor Gary Yoggy was a neighbouring table & echoed my observation,
"Yeah, right, Bob & [removed] never made that connection before!" Well, this
must have gotten around  real quick because for the next two nights & for the
years following, Jay's intro was invariably something  to the effect of
"Providing sound effects for tonight's show, our own version of 'Bob &
Ray'...Bob Mott & Ray Erlenborn!"
      Years later, the Holiday-Inn had re-designed its lobby & one of its
newer amenities was a live concierge standing at his own podium-style counter.
This guy was annoying! You couldn't walk by him to the bar/restaurant or the
front entrance without him inquiring "Can I do/get anything for you?"  Anyway,
OUR Bob & Ray were totally preoccupied doing Sound FX  for a full slate of
re-creation rehearsals all morning when Ray's wife Meridy prevailed upon them
to take a lunch break. Messrs. Mott & Erlenborn were wearing the sweatshirts
designed by OTR artist Bobb Lynes
that bore their likenesses & read something like "BOB & RAY--MASTERS OF SFX."
[The SFX part was near the waist-line, & depending upon the shirt's fold
sometimes looked like the "F" might have had an extra cross-bar at the bottom
potentially turning it into an "E."]
     About 20 minutes later,  I passed by the over-obsequious concierge &
overheard him telling a baggage handler, "You know who's here? Bob & Ray!
Remember them from the radio? I just saw them walk past!" Upon hearing this, I
started to laugh so hard, I had to cover up my mouth & quickly run away from
this scenario. I later said to this hapless soul, "Listen. I overheard you
telling your buddy that Bob & Ray were here. I gotta tell you that's not THE
Bob & Ray. The real Ray Goulding died a few years ago. The guys you saw are
our sound effects men who just happen to be named Bob & Ray. It's our little
joke."
     The following year, for reasons of health, Ray Erlenborn's doctor
prohibited him from making long cross-country aeroplane trips from his home in
California. We miss you back East, Ray. I'm happy you're still active in the
west Coast convention scene with SPERDVAC in [removed] & REPS in Seattle. To all
you younger OTR fans, take any opportunity you can to meet Ray Erlenborn, the
nicest guy from the actual OTR era you'll ever meet!

Ether!

Derek Tague

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:41:16 -0500
From: Tom Kleinschmidt <otr1962@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Important New Find

I'm happy to announce a significant new OTR find, one
which I've been
negotiating to make available for nearly a year now,

Boy Elizabeth, wouldn't this be great if it were true,
but to see this mentioned on April Fool's Day I don't
think anyone on the list can really believe it.

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:43:34 -0500
From: "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@[removed];
To: "old time radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  cast of War of the Worlds

Hi all:
Is there a source where I can learn of the entire radio cast for War of the
Worlds?  I know that Orson Welles, of course, was Professor Piersen and
Frank Readick was Carl Phillips.  Who were the other voices?  I think I
recognized Ray Collins and Kenny Delmar, but I'm not sure.
RyanO

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:43:37 -0500
From: passage@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Night of the Wolf

Mike Kerezman asked:

I have just finished listening to the BBC production "Night of the
Wolf" starring Vicent Price. Does anyone know around what year this
later day day radio drama was done. Mr. Price is outstanding as usual.

I list it as August 9, 1975.

Frank

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:43:52 -0500
From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Important New Find

I got home from work this morning and begin to sort through the e-mail --
imagine my stunned shock and surprise when I read that the first item on the
Digest contained Elizabeth's news about her "find."

To also discover that the First Generation Radio Archives will be the ones
in charge of the restoration--well, that was the icing on the cake.  I had
already planned to "re-up" when subscription time came around, but the added
bonus of all that new "old" material is just too good to miss.

Thanks again to Elizabeth for letting the Digest members in on this
awe-inspiring news.

Ivan

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 10:44:35 -0500
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Elizabeth's "Important New Find "

Wow!

The complete run of the Detective Story Hour hosted by The Shadow?

The first Sherlock Holmes radio show starring William Gillette?

And several key Amos 'n' Andy storylines, including both the Madame Queen
"Breach of Promise" affair and Amos's1931 trial for the murder of Jack Dixon?

And the transfers will be available by April 1, 2004?

Sounds too good to be true.  How I wish Elizabeth had posted this on some day
other than April Fool's Day.

I guess somebody has way too much spare time on her hands.

--Anthony Tollin

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:36:58 -0500
From: oldpdb@[removed] (Paul Barringer)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Jewell Players

One source of pictures showing some of the Jewell Players is,"FROM OUT
OF THE PAST" A pictorial History Of The Lone Ranger, By Dave Holland in
1988, published by Lone Ranger Television Inc. A subsidiary of Palladium
Media Enterprises.

Everything you ever wanted to know about The Lone Ranger, Radio, Movie
serials, Comics, feature films, collectables etc.

A very good read of 444 pages. Loaded with plenty of pictures of all
genres.

The book is very hard to find and quite expensive, I was able to get
mine when they were first published.

Paul

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:37:09 -0500
From: Al Girard <24agirard24@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Can You Top This?

I'm not referring to the show.  I'm referring to the exciting new find that
Elizabeth has just announced.  We are always hopeful that material will
be discovered somewhere in some abandoned warehouse, but to come into
possession of the recordings and equipment that Elizabeth has acquired
simply boggles the mind.

Sincere congratulations to Elizabeth and her team on an outstanding
achievement.

Al Girard

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:37:24 -0500
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  dealers

Hi Everybody, I was contacted if I could give help in finding ways to
contact three people in order to buy or trade radio shows.  If you know how
to contact them please drop me an email and I will pass it along.  1.  David
Kiner, 2.  Pat McCoy, 3. David Siegel.  If there any dealers on this list
and would like some  free promotion on my Saturday night show on Yesterday
USA later this year drop me an email too, or if you have some one you would
like me help promote there OTR business drop me a note too.  Take care,

Walden Hughes

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:37:32 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  April 3rd Birth Dates

If you were born on the 3rd of April, you share your birthday with:

04-03-1894 - Dooley Wilson - Tyler, TX
04-03-1898 - George Jessel - NYC - d. 5-23-1981
04-03-1904 - Peter Van Steeden - Amsterdam, The Netherlands - d. 1-3-1990
04-03-1909 - Jerry Cooper - Bay Minette, AL
04-03-1923 - Jan Sterling - NYC
04-03-1924 - Doris Day - Cincinnati, OH
04-03-1924 - Marlon Brando - Omaha, NE

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Make your day, listen to an Olde Tyme Radio Program

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Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:37:42 -0500
From: "Cancilla Dominick" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  New OTR fans and Radio Spirits
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I write for Metropole online magazine ([removed]) and over
the last year or so have made a concerted effort to include OTR-related
content in the magazine's pages. The current issue, for example, contains a
review of Radio Archives' "Little Orphan Annie" set, and has the magazine's
first "audio enabled" ad -- an ad for Radio Archives which plays part of the
Annie theme song when you click on the picture of the radio. We've also had
articles on Amos and Andy, horror in OTR (including the original short story
of "Three Skeleton Key"), and The Cisco Kid.

My hope in doing all this is that, because Metropole's readers are generally
in their mid-twenties to early thirties, I can get more people interested in
OTR who were not around to hear the original broadcasts. From the feedback
we've gotten, it appears that many readers have enjoyed these features
(including downloads of a couple of shows, courtesy Radio Archives), although
apparently only a few have subsequently turned to Radio Archives for more
material.

Which brings up my point about Radio Spirits. I wrote to Radio Spirits to see
if they would be interested in providing copies of some of their sets for
Metropole to review, or if they would be interested in advertising their new
download service in our pages. They were very polite, but essentially said
that they weren't interested in promoting their material to groups outside the
55-and-above age range. While I certainly don't blame Radio Spirits for
wanting to target an audience which is more likely to purchase their product,
I am disappointed that they are apparently not very interested in bringing OTR
to a new generation.

All of that said, I have this question for digest readers: Can you think of
anything we could write about or do in the magazine which might get our
readers interested in OTR? We are very open to suggestions and appreciate any
input you might have. You can e-mail me directly, since I'm assuming that
these kinds of suggestions would be off-topic for the list.

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