Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #257
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 8/25/2005 6:05 PM
To: [removed]@[removed]

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2005 : Issue 257
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Crenna and O'Connor                   [ "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@comc ]
  Col. Denton Walters                   [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
  Re: Kovacs on Radio                   [ Jordan Young <jyoung@[removed]; ]
  ABBOT & COSTELLO IN [removed]              [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
  Beemer                                [ Richard Pratz <[removed]@[removed]; ]
  Les Paul and all                      [ Lee Munsick <damyankeeinva@earthlin ]
  When Steve Somers and I, Were on Fir  [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
  Re: Johnny Dollar Comissions          [ "John Abbott" <mraastro@[removed] ]
  Brace Beemer                          [ "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed] ]
  Teagardon                             [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
  8-25 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  Ross MacDonald on Radio               [ William Harker <wharker@[removed] ]
  YTJD expense account and payments     [ "Neil Scott" <scotty@[removed] ]
  Mainline                              [ JayHick@[removed] ]
  Bob Hawks                             [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
  Need some help                        [ "ron" <yellron@[removed]; ]
  Johnny Dollar                         [ "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed] ]
  OTR sayings still in use              [ Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed] ]

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:37:22 -0400
From: "Ivan G. Shreve, Jr." <iscreve@[removed];
To: "Old-Time Radio Digest (Plain Text Only)" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Crenna and O'Connor

RadioAZ@[removed] pointed out:

I know that Carroll O'Connor, when he accepted the role on TV's "All in
the Family" wanted his character to be named Archie because he was such a
fan of radio's Ed Gardner (Archie on "Duffy's Tavern".)<<

While I don't doubt that there might have been a "Duffy's Tavern"
connection, I question as to whether the first name of the Bunker character
was O'Connor's idea.  After all, the character was called Archie Justice in
the original pilot, "Those Were the Days."

And I know that in the 1980s movie series called "Rambo," Dick Crenna
played a character named Col. Denton Walters -- a tribute to the Walter
Denton character he created on [removed];<

Crenna plays "Col. Denton Walters" in the 1993 comedy "Hot Shots! Part
Deux," and yes, it is a reference to his famous "Our Miss Brooks" role.  His
character in the Rambo films, however, is named Col. Samuel Trautman.

(My favorite Crenna story was related in his obituary by his agent, who
remarked that producers often asked him if the actor could "do comedy."
"Gee, Judy--you look sna-a-a-a-a-zzzy!")

Ivan
--
Classic movies, television and old-time radio at Thrilling Days of
Yesteryear! [removed]

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:37:50 -0400
From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Col. Denton Walters

And I know that in the 1980s movie series called "Rambo," Dick Crenna
played a character named Col. Denton
Walters -- a tribute to the Walter Denton character he created on radio.
(Aside: does anyone know who decided
to give that character that name?)

I'm not so sure. Actually, Crenna only used the "Denton Walters" name in a
spoof of the Rambo movies,   "Hot Shots! Part Deux," that starred some pretty
boy like Brad Cruise or Tom Pitts. In the Rambo movies, he was Col. Samuel
Trautman

 B. Ray

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:37:59 -0400
From: Jordan Young <jyoung@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Kovacs on Radio

Ernie Kovacs did indeed work in radio, at WTTM in Trenton from
1941-1950, beginning as a staff announcer and appearing on a variety
of programs during that time; he was still there full time when he
started in TV, working weekends as a booth announcer at WPTZ in
Philadelphia. The radio period is discussed at length in Diana Rico's
bio "Kovacsland," and to a lesser degree in David Walley's "The Ernie
Kovacs Phile."

Jordan R. Young

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:39:27 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  ABBOT & COSTELLO IN [removed]
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George:  Condi! Nice to see you. What's happening?

Condi:  Sir, I have the report here about the new leader of China.

George:  Great. Lay it on me.

Condi:  Hu is the new leader of China.

George:  That's what I want to know.

Condi:  That's what I'm telling you.

George:  That's what I'm asking you. Who is the new leader of China?

Condi:  Yes.

George:  I mean the fellow's name.

Condi:  Hu.

George:  The guy in China.

Condi:  Hu.

George:  The new leader of China.

Condi:  Hu.

George:  The main man in China!

Condi:  Hu is leading China.

George:  Whaddya' asking me for?

Condi:  I'm telling you, Hu is leading China.

George:  Well, I'm asking you -- who is leading China?

Condi:  That's the man's name.

George:  That's who's name?

Condi:  Yes.

George:  Will you, or will you not, tell me the name of the new leader of
China?

Condi:  Yes, sir.

George:  Yassir? Yassir Arafat is dead!  Isn't he?

Condi:  I believe so.

George:  Then who is in China?

Condi:  Yes, sir.

George:  Yassir is in China?  He's dead, but he's leading the country!?

Condi:  No, sir.

George:  Then who is?

Condi:  Yes, sir.

George: Look Condi. I need to know the name of the new leader of China.
Get the Secretary General of              the [removed] on the phone.

Condi:  Kofi?

George:  No, thanks.

Condi: You want me to get Kofi for you?

George:  No.

Condi:  You don't want Kofi.

George: No. But now that you mention it, I could use a glass of milk.
Then get me the Secretary          General.

Condi:  Yes, sir.

George: Not Yassir! The guy at the [removed]

Condi: Kofi?

George: Milk! Will you please make the call?

Condi: And call who?

George: Who is the guy at the [removed]

Condi:  Hu is the guy in China.

George:  Will you stay out of China?!

Condi:  Yes, sir.

George:  And stay out of the Middle East! Just get me the guy at the [removed]

Condi: KOFI!

George: All right! With cream and two sugars. Now get on the phone,
dammit!

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:39:38 -0400
From: Richard Pratz <[removed]@[removed];
To: "OTR (Plain Text Only)" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Beemer

As to Brace Beemer's correct birth year, I'll take Phil Stallings word for
it when he states that Beemer's birth certificate lists 1902, not 1903. But
what about Beemer's correct name? I have seen it listed as
Marcus "Brace" Beemer, implying Brace was a nickname, and have also seen it
as Brace Bell Beemer. Which is correct? Or are there any more variations out
there?

Rich

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:39:56 -0400
From: Lee Munsick <damyankeeinva@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Les Paul and all

It was asked here what year Les Paul first appeared at FOTR.  I'm not sure of
the exact year, but I was the instigator.  Jay Hickerson would know the year.

We had hoped to get Les to play guitar for us.  But understandably, he didn't
want to do so without his backup players, and for some reason they couldn't
make it.  The reason he needed them was because he would have done some of
his big record hits and they wouldn't sound like much with just one guitar.
You older readers will recall that Les, among his other innovations including
the electric guitar itself, pioneered in over-dubbing for multi-track sound.
Patti Page did much the same thing with her vocalisms, which were often
covers of Capitol record hits by Les and his wife Mary Ford.  Patti's Mercury
records listed the artist on some of her most popular recordings as Patti
Page, Patti Page, Patti Page, Patti Page.

Aware that not many folk in the FOTR audience at that time knew what Les
looked like or even how his voice sounded, we worked up a little act.  I had
asked a trivia question about a certain radio station from back in the 1920s,
and asked if anyone at the FOTR dinner remembered the station.  As we
suspected, very few knew to what we referred.  Les put up his hand, and said
he knew about it.  I asked the gentleman to please come up to the microphone.

As he threaded his way through the tables (FOTR alumni will know just what
that's like) I heard one person down front near me stage-whispering to his
table, "That's Les Paul!" but for the most part most people didn't catch on.
When Les got up to me, we talked about how he knew about the early activity,
and he said he knew because he was there.

Finally I got around to asking where he lived, and he said something like
"Right here in New Jersey" which of course got some applause, and finally I
asked him, "Sir, please tell us your name".  He said "Ford" and it still got
little reaction.  Finally, "Les (pause) Les Paul".  At that point the place
erupted.  Les then reminisced for quite a while about pirating the microphone
from his parents' telephone, parts of a household radio and so on for his
inventions.

This was supposed to be part of an all-music program which at the last minute
fell apart due to illness and other varied reasons over which we had no
control.  It was to have been a sequel to the previous year's take-off on
"Arthur Godfrey and His Talent Scouts" which was the very first variety
program for FOTR, and came off beautifully.

Famed organist Eddie Layton of Yankee Stadium fame was there, something
usually not possible as FOTR is the weekend of the World Series.  For some
reason, that year the Yankees were not participating.  Ahem.   We thought we
had an organ lined up but it didn't work out, so he just spoke for a while.
I feared that my hoped-for variety show ding before everyone's eyes, but it
turned out to be a huge success with these marvelous nostalgic guests, and I
think it was topped off by the inimitable Will Jordan, whom I hope will be
with us again in October.

Memories.    Lee Munsick      That Godfrey Guy

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:40:57 -0400
From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  When Steve Somers and I, Were on First

Back before I discovered that Steve Somers wasn't necessarily the nicest
guy in the world, we were doing one of my "Shakespeare in the Dark"
call-in bits, on WFAN, in New York (the Tri-State area's big sports-talk
station).

(Somers is the brilliantly funny fellow who's been doing shows on 660,
the old NBC, since WFAN's inception, in 1987.  (Ah, let me correct that,
before one of you guys pounces (!), WFAN's first year or so, was actually
on the old [removed] Since, it's become the country's top sports
radio--simulcast on cable with IMUS IN THE MORNING on MSNBC, and MIKE
AND THE MAD DOG, afternoons on YES.)

Somers knew I knew some of the Stooges relatives, and could ask me a
question about them, or something else related to old-time comedy.

After about five minutes of our usual sports stuff, he did.

What I didn't know, was that he had set up with the producer to have a
digital "file" of "Who's On First," set to go.

After innocently answering whatever he asked me, he punched up the cue,
and we were suddenly off into the Abbott and Costello routine.

Kind of neat, that on a cold winter's night, a couple of years or so
back, whatever element of the the greater New York audience that was
tuned to 660 AM, got to hear "Who's On First," in its ENTIRETY (and in
prime time!).

Best, Jim Burns

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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 21:41:10 -0400
From: "John Abbott" <mraastro@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Johnny Dollar Comissions

In "The Suntan Oil Matter", Johnny tells Mrs. Galloway that he gets 10-30%
of the value of a piece of stolen jewelry when he recovers it.

If this held true for policies not paid becasue Johnny proved fraud, and if
you add the various "commissions" and "fees" Johnny bargained for, I think
that he did all right.

Oh, and don't forget all of those "incidentals"!!

John C. Abbott

Note:
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Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:31:43 -0400
From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Brace Beemer

When I saw the inquiry about Brace Beemer's dates of birth and death, I had
a hunch there was going to be a lot of conflicting information posted on
this site.  But Phil Stallings is right.  And Brace's daughter, Barbara
Beemer Daniels, who should know, settled this question a while back.  Brace
was born in 1902, not 1903.  This piece of misinformation ranks right up
there with the assertion that the Lone Ranger's real first name was "John".

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 00:48:20 -0400
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Teagardon

Hi everybody,

Kitty Kallen loved singing with the Jack Tegardon band.  She had two tours
of duty from with the band back in 1939 to 1940, and in 1941 until 1942.  In
fact Kitty introduce on the radio the song The Blues in the Night during a
Teagardon band remote.  Jack ask her to sing the melody, which meant "tell
the story,"  Kitty left Jimmy Dorsey in 1943 after being with Jimmy band for
one year, because   Jimmy wanted Kitty to sing around the melody and she
explained that she could not because Jack Teagardon taught her to sing the
melody.  Kitty is looking for a article that appeared in either    Down Beat
or Metronome where Teagardon told the writer that he wanted Armstrong to
play and "Little Pudd," which  was Kitty nickname by Teagardon to sing at
his funeral.  Take care,

Walden Hughes  t

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:54:41 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  8-25 births/deaths

August 25th births

08-25-1896 - Dick Ryan - Connecticut - d. 8-12-1969
actor: "The Nebbs"
08-25-1903 - Michael Bartlett - North Oxford, MA
singer: "The Jack Benny Show"
08-25-1904 - Alice White - Paterson, NJ - d. 2-19-1983
actress: Blondie Bumstead "Blondie"
08-25-1908 - Walter Burke - Brooklyn, NY - d. 8-4-1984
actor: Mark Saber's Assistant "Inspector Mark Saber"
08-25-1909 - Michael Rennie - Bradford, Yorkshire, England - d. 6-10-1971
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
08-25-1910 - Ruby Keeler - Halifax, Nova Scotia - d. 2-28-1993
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
08-25-1912 - John Rarig - Washington - d. 1-2-1991
singer: (Member Sportsmen Quartet) "Jack Benny Program"
08-25-1916 - Van Johnson - Newport, RI
actor: "Request Performance"; "Romance"; "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Suspense"
08-25-1917 - Mel Ferrer - Elberon, NJ
actor: "Eternal Light"; "Cloak and Dagger"; "MGM Theatre of the Air"
08-25-1918 - Leonard Bernstein - Lawrence, MA - d. 10-14-1990
conductor: "Metropolitan Opera"
08-25-1918 - Richard Greene - Plymouth, England - d. 6-1-1985
actor: "Somerset Maugham Theatre"; "This Is Hollywood"; "Cavalcade of America"
08-25-1934 - Regis Philbin - New York City, NY
newscaster: KOGO San Diego

August 25th deaths

01-19-1919 - Ray Eberle - Hoosick Falls, NY - d. 8-25-1979
singer: "Glenn Miller and His Orchestra"; "Glenn Miller's Moonlight Serenade"
01-22-1920 - William Warfield - West Helena, AR - d. 8-25-2002
bass-baritone singer: "Edgar Bergen Show"; "Beyond Victory"; "Music for
America"
02-12-1912 - Stan Kenton - Wichita, KS - d. 8-25-1979
bandleader: "Bob Hope Show"; "Stan Kenton Concerts"
02-14-1900 - Eddie Marr - New Jersey - d. 8-25-1987
actor: Press Agent "Jack Carson Show"; "Jack Benny Program"; "I Fly Anything"
06-18-1910 - [removed] Marshall - Owatonna, MN - d. 8-25-1998
narrator: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"
06-22-1919 - Gower Champion - Geneva, IL - d. 8-25-1980
choreographer: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Guest Star"
07-23-1908 - Irving Mansfield - d. 8-25-1988
producer: "It's Always Albert"; "The Morey Amsterdam Show"
08-11-1915 - Berne Surrey - d. 8-25-1992
sound effects: "Suspense (Sorry, Wrong Number)"; "Whistler"; "Sam Spade"
08-27-1905 - Frederick O'Neal - Brooksville, MA - d. 8-25-1992
actor: "New World A-Coming"
09-09-1899 - Waite Hoyt - Brooklyn, NY - d. 8-25-1984
sportscaster, "Sports Review"; "According to Hoyt"; play-by-play: Cincinnati
Reds
09-22-1895 - Paul Muni - Lemberg, Austria-Hungary - d. 8-25-1967
actor: "Free Company"; "Radio Hall of Fame"
09-30-1924 - Truman Capote - New Orleans, LA - d. 8-25-1984
author: "Cather: A Look of Remembrance"
10-24-1894 - Ted "Kid" Lewis - London, England - d. 8-25-1971
bandleader: "Live Band Remotes"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:55:12 -0400
From: William Harker <wharker@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ross MacDonald on Radio

On July 1, 1953, mystery author Ross MacDonald (Kenneth Millar) delivered a
lecture entitled "The Scene of the Crime:  Social Meanings of the Detective
Story" at the University of Michigan.  The lecture was taped and "broadcast
later over an educational radio network to several states and parts of
Canada" (this from Tom Nolan's biography of MacDonald, which I now am reading).

Does anyone know anything about this?

Bill Harker

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:54:10 -0400
From: "Neil Scott" <scotty@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  YTJD  expense account and payments
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I think we should look at what things cost in 1950.
Herewith some of the prices for 1950,gas at $.20 those were the days!

     Prices for 1950

      House: $14,500
      Average income: $3,216
      Ford car: $1339-$2262
      Philco model 1403 TV: $199
      Admiral "home entertainment" TV system: $[removed]
      12" records: $[removed]
      10" records: $[removed]
      Milk: $.82
      Gas: $.20
      Bread $.14
      Postage stamp: $.03
      Pumpkins : $.02 cents a lb
      Campbell's Pork & Beans - (2) 1 lb. cans: $.25
      Sirloin steak: $.77 lb
      Kraft Mayonnaise - quart jar: $.62.

kind regards,
Neil

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:54:56 -0400
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Mainline

Can anyone help Greg?

During the 1940's the Southern Pacific
Railroad had a radio show that aired in the San Francisco market called
"Mainline". I am trying to locate information about this
program. I am a lost as to a starting point. Any ideas.

Gerg Currivan <greg36@[removed];

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:45:17 -0400
From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bob Hawks
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       Does anyone have any info on Bob Hawks, the host of "The Bob Hawks
Show"?  Any information would be appreciated, including his date of birth and
death.  BTW, how long did his show last on OTR?  Are there any more eps of
his show available?
Another OTR Fan,
Kenneth Clarke

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 13:56:18 -0400
From: "ron" <yellron@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Need some help
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I am trying to get some information on a radio station in the 1930's where my
father Arthur Fuhst & Henry Woods where on every morning for 15 minutes. The
name they went on to the best of my knowledge was Sunkin City Trio. My father
played the panio and Henry played the guitar, banjo and sang. I would
appreciate any information someone might know about this radio station.
Thanks
Ronald Fuhst

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 14:29:33 -0400
From: "[removed]" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Johnny Dollar

In #256, Archie YKnow wrote:

Does anyone know what type of stipend Johnny would get for working on
these cases?  After all, the insured policy ranged from $1500 to hundreds
of thousands.  Judging by the number of knocks on the head old Johnny
received, I assume that he got a hefty commission based on the insured
value.

Unfortunately, I don't know the answer to this question, but it did remind me
of something else.  I've always thought that the whole Johnny Dollar concept
would translate well to TV, especially now that we're so firmly into the cell
phone era.  Each episode would still open with the ringing of a phone, which
Johnny would pull out of his pocket and answer "Johnny Dollar."  The expense
account could be done via narration while occasionally showing Johnny
inputting costs into a PDA or laptop, or even just use graphics to keep a
running total in the bottom or corner of the screen - much like sport scores.
The rest of it is standard detective stuff.

-chris holm

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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:07:16 -0400
From: Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed];
To: OTRDIGEST <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR sayings still in use
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My mother always said, "Tain't funny, McGee", "round and firm and fully
packed" and "If that don't beat the bugs afighting".  Now I know where these
expressions came from. Are there any other expressions from OTR shows still
being used?

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