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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2005 : Issue 258
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
LSMFT -- Lone Sailor Makes Fine Type [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@j ]
Surviving OTR Phrase, Kinda [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@j ]
otr sayings still in use [ "Alain Altounian" <[removed]@[removed] ]
Re: OTR sayings still in use [ Christopher Werner <werner1@globalc ]
Brace Beemer [ "Jim Cox" <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
Re: OTR sayings still in use [ Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@yahoo. ]
LES PAUL [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
OTR Sayings [ ilamfan@[removed] (S Jansen) ]
Henry Field [ george aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
The Lone Ranger [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
Les Paul [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
Great Book & Record Sale--NYC [ jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns) ]
Arch Oboler in academia [ "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed]; ]
8-26 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
OTR derived catch-phrases [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
Dagwood sandwiches [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
Beer commercial [ Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed]; ]
Brace Beemer [ "Jim Harmon" <jimharmonotr@charter. ]
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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 20:36:35 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: LSMFT -- Lone Sailor Makes Fine Type?
Don Winslow of the Navy was a comic strip with a stalwart hero who, with
his fellow Navy officer, Red Pennington, fought The Scorpion and his
daughter in the newspaper comic strips. He got a program in 1937, which
ran into the Spring of 1939. He later returned to the air during World
War II.
In his prewar programs, there were some radio premiums. Since the
country wasn't engaged militarily, the Don Winslow premiums were
associated with his Squadron of Peace. There were two badges, one as an
Ensign (a Navy rank, like 2nd Lieutenant), the other, a Lieutenant
Commander (like a Major).
Recently, I saw a listing on eBay for one of these. It was listed as,
"Kelloggs Radio Premium Don Wilson of Navy Advertising." I wonder what
Jack Benny would have said to that. ("Well!" comes to mind).
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:07:21 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Surviving OTR Phrase, Kinda
Melanie Aultman asked which OTR phrases or expressions are still in
use. Well, one that is, indirectly, was derived from the quiz show, Take
It Or Leave It. The phrase, representing the toughest question to answer
was expressed. "That's the $64 question." A television version
appeared, The $64,000 Question. The phrase was inflated to, "That's the
$64,000 Question." That phrase is used, albeit only occasionally, to
this day.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:15:07 -0400
From: "Alain Altounian" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: otr sayings still in use
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I don't know if it originated during OTR, but I would guess that Jack
Benny's mock-dramatic response of "well!" is still a fairly widely
understood expression of a light-hearted retort to a friendly verbal jab.
(even among those who have never heard of JB or OTR.)
Alan
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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:31:49 -0400
From: Christopher Werner <werner1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: OTR sayings still in use
Melanie Aultman posed a reasonable question, but before y'all flood the
mailbox with the many responses, I would ask for some 'boundaries' around
the term 'Still Being Used'. I would suggest that those over 45 use them
much more frequently and comfortably than those who are much younger. Folks
have commented about TV script references to OTR, again that depends on the
age and history of the writer, usually.
What would be tough, would be to list references and catch-phrases that are
used by all (cross section) age groups and are part of the 'language' or
dogma of common expression.
This reminds me of the TV game show that tries to guess what answer the
majority of those surveyed responded with. If the 'question' was the
William Tell Overture final theme, I wonder what percentage would identify
it with the Lone Ranger vs a piece by William Tell or some more
contemporary usage of the theme.
Ask anyone under 20 to hum the song 'This Old Man' vs ask the same group to
identify the theme. Good Barney marketing of out-of-copyright melodies
changes a generations context of things. Now do the same for various OTR
'expressions'.
I for one have learned well the lesson of middle age. Half the people
understand what you are reminiscing about and get the pun/joke references
to the past - the other half either politely laughs, or thinks one is an
old fogie.
Then there is the problem with the younger generation having sooo much more
literature to read and lyrics to memorize during their lives than we did. A
friend of mine and I often tease the young with recitation of 'Jabberwalky'
from Alice in Wonderland or the singing of 'Sweet Violets' just to rattle
the clueless.
Sigh.
Have fun!
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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 22:16:41 -0400
From: "Jim Cox" <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Brace Beemer
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Some recent intensive digging convinces me Brace Beemer was born in 1902, not
1903.
As to his correct name, we believe Bruce Bill Beemer to be the moniker on his
birth certificate. Brace was a nickname; I don't know where Marcus originated
if it was used at all.
Jim Cox
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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:13:44 -0400
From: Alan/Linda Bell <alanlinda43@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: OTR sayings still in use
How about, "so-and-so comes on like Gangbusters."
AB
--
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Alan/Linda Bell
Grand Rapids, MI
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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:13:53 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: LES PAUL
In the '30s, he was known around Chicago as Rubarb Red, on the Barn
Dance, Chicago's answer to our Grand Old Opry.
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Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 23:48:27 -0400
From: ilamfan@[removed] (S Jansen)
To: [removed]@[removed] (OTR Bulletin Board)
Subject: OTR Sayings
Some sayings that I grew up with (in the '70's) and had little idea at the
time where they had come from:
"HoleyMackerelAndy" (as one long word)-Amos'n'Andy
"Jackson" (grandpa often called me that)-Jack Benny Show
I STILL don't know the origin of this one (might be OTR?):
"For cryin' in the bucket"
Stephen Jansen
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Old Time Radio never dies - it just changes formats!
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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:55:22 -0400
From: george aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Henry Field
Doug Berryhill gave us some very interesting information about radio station
KFNF in Shenandoah, Iowa and founder Henry field's part in early radio in the
midwest.
He also [removed]
I suspect that $1 today at the Henry Field's Seed and
Nursery wouldn't even buy you the time of day.
Actually I just happened to have a Henry Field seed and nursery catalog at
hand and I'm happy to report that you can buy spinach seeds [removed] cents or
two for .85 cents, or if you prefer you can order radish seeds for .90 cents
or 2 for .90 cents. A bargain right? Yeah except it 'll cost you six bucks
to have them mail the seeds to you!
There is still a radio station in Shenandoah, but I couldn't tell you if it
is KFNF or not. The programing is just as bad there as it is everywhere else,
so I didn't pay any attention to the call letters.
The reason I'm aware of the station is that Shenandoah is just one town west
of Clarinda Iowa which was Glenn Miller's birthplace and we usually go to
the Glenn Miller Festival there every june.( this year excepted)
George Aust
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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 00:55:48 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Lone Ranger
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 23:31:43 -0400
From: "Jim Nixon" <ranger6000@[removed];
This piece of misinformation ranks right up there with the
assertion that the Lone Ranger's real first name was "John".
Right. The Lone Ranter's real first name was "The."
--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed]
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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:52:51 -0400
From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Les Paul
Just a quick reminder that Les Paul still plays just about every Monday
night, at the Iridium, in New York City.
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And, come to think of it, is a frequent guest on the national overnight
talker, WOR's THE JOEY REYNOLDS SHOW.
Best, Jazz Bop Jim
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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:53:33 -0400
From: jameshburns@[removed] (Jim Burns)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Great Book & Record Sale--NYC
Stopped by a book and viynl sale at the famed Neighborhood
Playhouse--340 East 54th (between Second and First Avenues), in
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Many, many plays and actor bios, as to be expected, but also MANY of
those great old FULL PLAY, I mean theatre plays, LPs. And of course, a
ton of original musical score LPs, and sheet music. A BUNCH of those
full cast SHakespeare records, and some Orson Welles stuff, as well. As
of this evening, there was some OTR stuff, as well. And stuff on
casettes.
Hardcovers are two bucks, paperbacks, plays, and LPs, a buck.
And the folks are terrific, and it's for a good cause.
If you're in the area, it runs thrugh Sunday,
Here's the press release:
Neighborhood Playhouse presents A Spectacuilar Library Book Sale Aug
25-28
Hundreds of Books & Other Items from our 75 Year History. Plays.
Biography. Acting. Production. Entertainment. Music. Art. Poetry. Play
Manuscripts from the "Old" Broadway. Programmes. Vinyl, Audio,Video,
Disc.
Regular Sale Days -- No Entry Fee -- Friday, Saturday, Sunday August
26-27-28, 10:00 AM until 6:00 PM.
The Playhouse is located at 340 East 54th Street, between First & Second
Avenues.
In remembrance of TONY RANDALL (1920-2004), a Graduate of the School,
longtime friend & board member, and Our Best Reader.
Marian Seldes has called the Neighborhood Playhouse Library Book Sale,
"A grand annual event at my dear school."
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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:54:32 -0400
From: "R. R. King" <kingrr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Arch Oboler in academia
I was surfing the net for "radio dramas" when I ran across a page --
[removed] -- about the 2005 conference of the
Washington Community and Technical College Humanities Association
which will be held on October 21-22, 2005 at Whatcom Community College
in Bellingham, Washington.
On this page I learned that Daniel Yezbick of Peninsula College will
give a presentation entitled 'Sounds of Alienation, Anger, and
Otherness: Listening to "Them" in Radio Plays of Arch Oboler' which is
described as "A serious exploration of how Arch Oboler's network radio
dramas of the 1930s and 40s established a new type of media-enhanced
American identity that defined itself against mysterious or disturbed
personalities and ethnicities."
Just to put this in perspective, some of the other "show biz"-related
topics to be addressed at the conference include: "The Thing that Ate
Him: Non-referential Otherness in Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel"
(which "will focus on the world's treatment of vampirism as a metaphor
for non-referential otherness") and "The Closet and the Werewolf: A
Queer Reading of Michael Jackson's Thriller and works of other
Pop-Culture Werewolves" (the first sentence of the description is:
"The closet, like premature burial, requires a precarious and
dangerous escape.").
My personal favorite, though, is "Cynocephaly: Dog-headed People in
Signs, Symbols, and Literature ... What do St. Christopher, the
Canaanite Woman, Emily Bronte's Heathcliff and Lon Chaney's Wolfman
have in common? They are possessed of more acute senses and larger
canine teeth than the rest of us, the better to convey potent lessons
to students of literature, mythology, and life."
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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:54:42 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 8-26 births/deaths
August 26th births
08-26-1873 - Lee De Forest - Council Bluffs, IA - d. 6-30-1961
inventor: Audion tube
08-26-1903 - Jimmy Rushing - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Territory - d. 6-8-1972
blues singer: "Count Basie and His Orchestra"; "Blue Ribbon Guest Night"
08-26-1904 - Chirstopher Isherwood - High Lane, Cheshire, England - d. 1-4-1986
writer: "NBC University Theatre"; "CBS Radio Workshop"
08-26-1905 - George F. Hicks - Tacoma, WA - d. 3-17-1965
announcer: "Metropolitan Echoes"; "Death Valley Days"; "Seth Parker"
08-26-1907 - Jack Berch - Sigel, IL - d. 12-10-1992
singer: "Kitchen Pirate"; "Sweetheart Serenade"; "Jack Berch Show"
08-26-1907 - Lester Lanin - Philadelphia, PA - d. 10-27-2004
bandleader: "Lester Lanin and His Orchestra"; "Here's to Veterans"
08-26-1915 - Jim Davis - Edgereton, MO - d. 4-26-1981
actor: "Dangerous Assignment"
08-26-1919 - Frances Wayne - Boston, MA - d. 2-6-1978
vocalist: "The Woody Herman Show"
08-26-1921 - June Whitley
actress: Margaret Anderson "Father Knows Best"
08-26-1924 - Gloria Holliday - Billings, MT
actress: Bessie "Great Gildersleeve"; Gloria "Honest Harold"
August 26th deaths
01-07-1898 - Art Baker - New York City, NY - d. 8-26-1966
announcer, emcee: "People Are Funny"; "Dinah Shore Show"
01-13-1903 - Kay Francis - Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Territory - d. 8-26-1968
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
01-17-1904 - Knox Manning - Worcester, MA - d. 8-26-1980
announcer: "Advs. of Sherlock Holmes"; "Headlines on Parade"
02-04-1902 - Charles A. Limdbergh - Detroit, MI - d. 8-26-1974
aviator: CBS awards program
03-10-1911 - Warner Anderson - Brooklyn, NY - d. 8-26-1976
actor: Patrick Ryan "Terry and the Pirates"
04-13-1899 - Larry Keating - [removed], MN - d. 8-26-1963
actor, emcee: "Murder Will Out"; "Scramby Amby"; "This Is Your FBI"
05-24-1907 - Bill Bouchey - Michigan - d. 8-26-1977
actor: Red Albright/Captain Midnight "Captain Midnight"
07-14-1903 - Irving Stone - San Francisco, CA - d. 8-26-1989
author: "Cavalcade of America"; "Hallmark Playhouse"; "Arch Oboler's Plays"
08-28-1897 - Charles Boyer - Figeac, France - d. 8-26-1978
actor: Michel "Presenting Charles Boyer"; "Hollywood Playhouse"
09-21-1921 - Gail Russell - Chicago, IL - d. 8-26-1961
actress: "Screen Guild Theatre"
11-23-1916 - Julie Stevens - St. Louis, MO - d. 8-26-1984
actress: Helen Trent "Romance of Helen Trent"; Kitty Foyle "Kitty Foyle"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:55:42 -0400
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OTR derived catch-phrases
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Melanie Aultman wrote:
My mother always said, "Tain't funny, McGee", "round and firm and fully
packed" and "If that don't beat the bugs afighting". Now I know where these
expressions came from. Are there any other expressions from OTR shows still
being used?
How about "Coming on like Gangbusters'?
But do folks really still say "'T'aint funny, McGee" anymore? The only person
who ever said that to me was Talking Book narrator/CBSRMT stock company
player Gordon Gould when I said, "Y'know, when you cross the Berlin Wall,
you have to Adenauer!"
Yours in the ether!
Derek Tague
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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:07:46 -0400
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Dagwood sandwiches
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Like most fans of classic comic-strips, I've been following the proceedings
in "Blondie," which is about to celebrate its 75th anniversary. Characters
from other strips have shown up at the Bumsteads' house in anticipation
of the anniversary celebration.
I've noticed the requisite jokes about those infamously towering "Dagwood
sandwiches." However, I'd like to know how the writers pulled off such a
visual concept on the "Blondie" radio show.
Takers?
Derek Tague
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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 12:41:32 -0400
From: Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Beer commercial
The '4 Vagabonds' singing group did much radio work in
the golden age, including a regular job on Don
McNeill's 'Breakfast Club'. (John Dunning refers to
them only as the 'Vagabonds'.)
The group sang on a recording of an Atlas Prager beer
commercial which was broadcast repeatedly throughout
the 1940s. It may have been used as a spot commercial
([removed], between scheduled radio programs).
And the commercial may have included this: "Atlas
Prager got it? Atlas Prager get it! Atlas Prager,
best beer in town".
Would any of you know if a copy of the recording
exists? Or know any more about this commercial?
-- Phil C.
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Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 14:53:42 -0400
From: "Jim Harmon" <jimharmonotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Brace Beemer
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My mother knew Brace Beemer when they went to high school together in Mt.
Carmel, Ill. and she knew him as "Marcus Beemer".
I don't know Beemer's full legal name but his grandfather was named Bell,
and they were a wealthy and influential family in the Wabash Valley. There is
a state park named after them in Illinois called "Bell's Woods". It is
sometimes spelled "Buell's Woods" but old timers have written to the local
paper saying that the name should be spelled and pronounced "Bell's".
Perhaps a long time ago the family name was spelled with a "U".
Again, although I am a distant relative, I don't know if the name "Brace"
appeared on his birth certificate. In building construction there a strong
timber called a "brace beam". A man who reflected enough strength to become
a sergeant at 13 years of age in the World War I army might well have been
given a name like Brace Beemer. If it was his given name, it certainly
reflected his character.
-- Jim Harmon
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