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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2002 : Issue 199
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: Archos vs. iPod questions [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
Jack Benny - The Man Who Came to Din [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
Why So Many Archies? [ dltnkt@[removed] (Dennis/Nancy Town ]
OTR Voices of Distinction [ "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@rivnet ]
Why L&L were not imitators of A&A [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
Boris Karloff [ Musiciantoo47@[removed] ]
Re: rare shows in mp3 [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
Gene Carroll [ "TIM LONES" <tallones@[removed]; ]
Billy Gray also played Bobby Benson [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
Jack Armstrong [ Richard Fisher <w9fjl@[removed]; ]
Re: Phil Lord (the Chicagoan) [ "rich" <rich@[removed]; ]
Lone Ranger transition [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
my best guess on The Honeymooners [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
Nigel Bruce [ "Tas Richardson" <tasrichardson@spr ]
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:47:02 -0400
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Archos vs. iPod questions
<cooldown3@[removed]; wrote:
> The ARCHOS Jukebox Recorder product line is the first, portable MP3
> recorder and USB Hard Drive, which gives you real-time, on-the-fly
> recording of up to 20,000 (JB Recorder 20) minutes ...
I thought the Apple iPod was the first portable mp3 player/hard drive
with these features. What are the differences? Does the Archos offer new
options for recording? Can you do on-site audio recordings as with a
tape recorder? And does the iPod also have these features? Thanks for
the info.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:48:30 -0400
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jack Benny - The Man Who Came to Dinner
In a message dated 5/28/02 10:13:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:
I was listening to the 12/24/49 program of 'Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar' and
the network announced that on the next day, Christmas, there would be
special holiday programming with Jack Benny as the lead in 'The Man Who
Came to Dinner'.
That was performed on "Hotpoint Holiday". It is available in MP3 from our
audio library.
--Laura Leff
President, IJBFC
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:48:53 -0400
From: dltnkt@[removed] (Dennis/Nancy Townsend)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Why So Many Archies?
I enjoy the show The New Adventures of Nero Wolfe but wonder why so many
actors played the role of Archie in that it was a short run series ? I
have heard Larry Dobkin, Herb Ellis, Elliot Lewis and the illustrious
Harry Bartell at different [removed] it a hard show to work on,too low
paying or were actors just more transient in such roles than I imagined?
Just wonder if any one had insights on this. All of the above were great
in the role though I am partial to the incomperable Mr Bartell.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:49:27 -0400
From: "David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OTR Voices of Distinction
It's hard to one-up Ken Nordine as he certainly has a unique set of pipes.
But if I had to pick one voice that is personally the most distinctive, I
would have to pick Brace Beemer. Interestingly, his voice in no way belied
his physical [removed] was a handsome man, well over six feet and
with an impressive physique. He looked every bit the personification of the
Lone [removed] Close behind Beemer, I'd pick Les Tremayne and Del Sharbet.
As to the individual whose voice probably MOST belied his physical
characteristics, I'd have to pick Olan Soule. He played many differing
roles, many of them romantic leads on "Mr. First Nighter." He voice led the
listener to believe that he was quite the handsome Don Juan. Yet, in
person, he was a diminutive, bespectacled fellow who looked much more the
part of the lab [removed] role he often played on TV.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:49:36 -0400
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Why L&L were not imitators of A&A
First of all the humor was alltogether different, one was rural and one was
big city. Second, one was about black people and the other about white
people. Third, one set of actors were white and doing black humor and the
other two were white doing white humor. Fourth, during the 15 minute segments
it seems to me A&A is much more drama oriented while L&L is more comedy
oriented, although A&A inserts comedy too. It wasnt until A&A went to 30
minutes that it became strictly comedy. Just because one was first doesnt
have to mean one was imitating the other. We could say that any show tv or
radio ever aired in someway copied someone or something. IM sure that L&L got
some ideas over the years from A&A, but im also sure A&A got some ideas of
their own from L&L. ALL 4 of these guys were very talented and im sure very
aware of what was going on on "that other show". These were two very great
shows and two of my top 5 although i prefer the 30 minute version of both
even though there were not many L&Ls done. By the way, how L&Ls were done and
are they available? Anybody?
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 19:19:42 -0400
From: Musiciantoo47@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Boris Karloff
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I just downloaded a copy of "An Evening With Boris Karloff & His Friends" -
Side One, apparently made from an LP. I wonder if anyone out there has Side
Two? I would be very grateful for any Karloff Horror I don't have - I have
Inner Sanctum Episodes and If he did Suspense I'm sure I have that too. So if
there's anything else, please let me know. Thank you all (-: Actually, I
think my side One is even Incomplete so if you have that in its entirety I'd
like that too.
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Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 23:56:45 -0400
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: rare shows in mp3
"Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed]; wrote
(to point out why mp3 is generally not good for OTR):
> I recently learned of a couple of Suspense episodes that were thought
> to be lost until they turned up on an mp3 disc. So, who has the
> originals? ... How exactly do you track down the owner of a disc ...
But at least now they exist in some form whereas, had they not somehow
made their way into circulating mp3's, they might have vanished from the
face of the earth when the owner of the original disks died and his
heirs tossed out all his "clutter." In fact, the wider such things are
circulated, the more likely someone will hear them who has some idea of
their significance. As to the sound quality, I have been generally very
pleased with the sound I have found in downloads both from websites and
newsgroups. I think, by and large, it is as good as that that came from
our little white plastic radio in the kitchen, which was the only one we
owned. And certainly it is better than the sound quality of the radio
broadcasts that occasionally, at odd moments, came from our coal-burning
kitchen range.
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 01:14:46 -0400
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK SCHEDULE
Program schedule starts: June 2nd at: [removed]
New shows in high bit rate strart every Sunday.
SAME TIME, SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
1. A BARREL OF FUN 1/19/42 "Court Summons"
2. THE JUDY CANOVA SHOW 8/24/43 A Date With Mickey Rooney
3. THE JIMMY DURANTE SHOW 11/12/47 Guest: Dororthy Laour
4. CANDY MATSON 6/20/50 "Symphony of Death"
HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
1. DRAGNET NBC 9/28/50 "The Big Death"
2. SUSPENSE CBS 1/26/50 "Mr Diogenes" with Ozzie & Harriet Nelson
3. THE COLGATE SPORTS NEWSREEL with BILL STERN
Guest: Bandleader, Sammy Kaye.
Enjoy, Tom & Jerry
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 02:01:57 -0400
From: "TIM LONES" <tallones@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Gene Carroll
To add a bit to the history of Gene Carroll, he did host a local Amateur
Hour type TV show on WEWS Channel 5 in Cleveland from the 50's to the early
70's on Sundays from 12-1PM
Tim Lones
Canton, Ohio
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:14:01 -0400
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Billy Gray also played Bobby Benson
Derek Tague wrote:
> I just wanted to clarify Dan Hughes's rejoinder <snip> When I referred
> to Billy "Father Knows Best" Gray playing an "altar boy"
Another OTR connection with Billy Gray occurs to me. One of his most
fondly remembered roles is that of Bobby Benson.
Well, not really OTR; he wasn't the Bobby Benson of the B-Bar-B (which I
guess would appear as B/B on the side of the cow) but the Bobby Benson
of "Klaatu barada nikto" fame (hope I spelled that right).
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 11:15:03 -0400
From: Richard Fisher <w9fjl@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jack Armstrong
I recently ran across a Radio Mirror from February, 1943 with pictures
of the cast of Jack Armstrong. These are the only pictures I have ever
seen of the cast. I had wondered all my life what they looked like as I
had spent hundreds of hours with them as a child! In my town it was sort
of like the adults with Amos and Andy - when it was about time for Jack
to be on the radio all baseball, cowboys and Indians, etc. stopped and
we all went in to see what was going to happen next!!!
My first radio premium as a child was the Jack Armstrong Dragon Talisman
game in 1936. I still have the bronze talisman.
Now for the question! What ever happened to the cast?? Charles Flynn,
from what little information I can get, was in several children's shows
into the 50's. Anyone know anything more about his career after Jack
Armstrong?
Uncle Jim was played by James Goss and I can find nothing about him at
all.
Billy Fairfield was played by John Gannon who I had understood had
become the Treasurer of the State of Illinois. Dunning says he became a
judge.
Sarajane Wells played Betty and I have an article from a Chicago paper
saying she died several years ago of Alzheimer's disease. She was quite
beautiful from the picture.
Any information on these fine actors (at least to my mind as a child)
would be appreciated.
The picture of Jack is a full page and in color yet!! The rest of the
pictures are B&W.
New subject, in a recent digest there was a posting about the First
Generation Radio Archives. My personal comment is that my experience
with them has been only negative and I do not intend to renew my
membership. I like the idea of what they are doing and hope that in the
future they can correct their many problems. Time well tell.
Dick
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 12:26:41 -0400
From: "rich" <rich@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Phil Lord (the Chicagoan)
Phil Lord's career seemingly went on for ever, revitalized by the advent of
television in the late 1940's. He occasionally appeared on "Stud's Place"
and was a regular on the "Hawkins Falls" soap. (There are a couple of photos
of him from the tv era on my site [removed]).
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:02:31 -0400
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Lone Ranger transition
I have just spent some time listening to the Lone Ranger broadcasts of April
7 to April 21, 1941. This is the time period during which the man who played
the Lone Ranger, Earle Graser, was killed and Brace Beemer assumed the role.
Below is what I heard on the tapes I have of those programs. For me, it
shows that Beemer was carefully written into the program beginning on the day
of Graser's death, April 9. He was on all the programs from April 9 to April
18. Both Hickerson and Dunning have stated that Beemer did not take the
Ranger's part until 4/18. Here is what I heard:
4/7/41. "Sixty days for life." Earle Graser plays the Lone Ranger one last
time.
4/9/41. "Homesteader's ruse." Graser killed in auto accident. Brace Beemer
plays the Lone Ranger. He has lines, sentences. Since the Ranger has been
wounded, the closing is only Tonto urging on his horse, "Get 'em up, Scout!"
4/9/41. Three minute tribute to Earle Graser. I don't know what time this
was broadcast, or on what network.
4/11/41 (Good Friday). "Ghost town." The Ranger makes some sounds; says
"cave" at one point. He now communicates with written messages to Tonto and
the woman who is helping him. Beemer says one sentence and greets Tonto,
"Taiee, Kimosabe."
4/14/41 (Easter Monday). "Work and win." Ranger says a few words and
continues writing messages.
4/16/41. "United we stand." Beemer as the Ranger says a few words.
4/18/41. "Lone Ranger moves." Ranger continues using written messages.
Beemer says a few words, has some lines -- sentences.
4/21/41. "Outpost in the desert." Lone Ranger is recovered enough to ride
Silver. In terms of lines, Brace Beemer is now, fully, the Lone Ranger.
Ted Kneebone
1528 S. Grant St., Aberdeen, SD 57401 / 605-226-3344
OTR: [removed]
Kids' radio: [removed]
Kids' radio: [removed]
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 14:37:12 -0400
From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: my best guess on The Honeymooners
I have been a fan of the Honeymooners for 20 years, read two books on the
TV show plus a bio book on Gleason. I first have a further question:
Would CBS have done the recodings in house or contracted them out in 1954
to this outfit (Audio-Video Recording) that Harlan mentions?
My own best guess is that either CBS Radio was desinging this as an
experimental summer replacement OR that these were intened for the AFRTS.
BUT is just goes to show you how wrong initial assumptions can
[removed] what I said in the first place:
The Honeymooners was NOT EVER done on radio!! Perhaps the Ebay person
confused the Bickersons with the Honeymooners. Jackie Gleason did have a
brief radio variety show but that was in the 1940s.
Instead, what we possibly have is a MAJOR new hidden find in American
broadcasting history.
Let me profoundly and deeply apologize for being so presumptuous and
congratulate Harlan on his EXCELLENT detective work!!
THANK YOU HARLAN!!
Eric Cooper
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 16:25:28 -0400
From: "Tas Richardson" <tasrichardson@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Nigel Bruce
Lee Munsick's comments about Basil Rathbone and Nigel Bruce, brought back a
memory I had of a story Nigel told on himself, perhaps to a BBC interviewer.
He had been invited to a country estate, for the day, or perhaps a weekend.
What the occasion, was unclear to him, and I don't think he knew the people
very well, but he accepted the invitation. Upon arrival he was assigned a
guest bedroom, and as there was some time before dinner, he took a stroll
around the grounds. He came upon a small peach tree which had one very
large, ripe, succulent peach on it. The temptation was too great, and he
picked it and ate it. He said it was the most delicious peach he had ever
tasted. Returning to the manor house he found the hosts and other guests
just emerging. They told him that the President of the horticulturist
society was about to make a presentation to the host for having grown the
largest, most perfect peach that area had ever seen. Nigel went straight to
his room, packed his things and beat a hasty retreat back to London.
"Ah, Watson, the case of the missing, singular peach, what?"
Tas, in peach-less Alberta
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