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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2002 : Issue 381
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Black Dahlia [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
Black Dahlia Murder Case [ "Scott Eberbach" <seberbach@earthli ]
Re: Tollin on FANTASTIC VOYAGE [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
DVD Players and MP3 [ "Eric Gowins" <gowins@[removed]; ]
Looking for Carol Richards rec [ Spiceboxer@[removed] ]
Re:Dahlias black and blue and red al [ "Garry Lewis" <glewis@[removed] ]
Uh -- Oh ..... [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
Captain Midnight Detaols [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
Legend? [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
Resource for OTR [ Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed]; ]
Re: Cowboys, the Shadow and Our Incr [ SanctumOTR@[removed] ]
Re: purient interests [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Re: Demarco sisters [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
What's in a name [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Subject: [ "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
Subject: Interview with actors [ "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed]; ]
RE: Black Dahlia [ marklambert@[removed] ]
RSI Tape Cases and [removed] [ Joe Oliver <joliver@[removed]; ]
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:08:40 -0400
From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Black Dahlia
Kenneth Clarke wanted information on the Black Dahlia murder case. He
can find all kinds of sites with this info on Google search by entering
"Black Dahlia Murder Case" This was not a radio show but a real murder
case in Los Angeles in 1947 and it remains unsolved. There was a movie
about it a few years ago. It may have been a TV movie.
George Aust
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:08:46 -0400
From: "Scott Eberbach" <seberbach@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Black Dahlia Murder Case
Hi Ken!
A few months back I started thinking about that case and how it was never
solved so I typed in the name Black Dahlia in Google and a wealth of sites
came up detailing the murder, the subsequent investigation, the murder site,
the victim, and even some rather gruesome photos. Just for FYI the name of
the victim was Elizabeth Short and she was found in a vacant lot in Los
Angeles in1948 (I believe). The body was cut in half and, I believe, the
body was drained of most of its blood. As I recall the investigation went
on for some time and has never been cleaned off the books. Every now and
then they reopen the case; however, they are no closer to solving that
murder now than they were in 1948. Hope this helps!
Scott
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:09:10 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Tollin on FANTASTIC VOYAGE
In a message dated 9/30/02 11:12:43 AM, Laura Leff responds:
One [removed] our recent Digest debate about
the "proof" of "zapping" between Bergen and War of the Worlds, I thought
there was a good case against the claim that people switched en masse at the
song. Am I remembering it wrong, or is it one of these facts on which there
continues to be a "difference of opinion"?
***No, you're correct in your memory. Elizabeth made some very valid
comments re: some often-repeated WOTW assumptions on this list a month or so
back. Unfortunately, my interview for FANTASTIC VOYAGE: THE EVOLUTION OF
SCI-FI was conducted more than a year ago, without the benefit of Elizabeth's
recent observations and myth-debunking.
My own feelings about the documentary? Personally, I was disappointed that
literary science fiction of the 1960s was ignored. That was the decade when
Heinlein's writing really entered the mainstream and had a tremendous
influence on society, Ellison edited DANGEROUS VISIONS and Bradbury began to
be taught in high school classrooms. I'm sure the omission was largely due
to the availability of TV and film visual material from that decade, but
ignoring literary SF as a social force was a glaring omission. (This was, of
course, a visual documentary rather than a text history, so content was
dictated by the availability of visual images.) And speaking of film
footage, it would have been nice to seen file footage of Heinlein, Asimov,
Clarke and Bradbury doing network background interviews on the occasion of
the first moon landing.
I was also disappointed that they didn't feature an audio excerpt of the
10/28/40 San Antonio radio conversation between Orson Welles and H. G. Welles
that I had supplied ’Ķ and that no mention was made of the importance of
NBC's
DIMENSION X and X-MINUS ONE (and Mutual's EXPLORING TOMORROW hosted by John
W. Campbell) in the popularizing of writers like Heinlein, Asimov, Bradbury,
Sturgeon, Simak and Sheckley. Pulp/digest SF had a comparatively limited
readership compared to the huge audiences of network radio.
Still, this was a documentary produced for the general population, not for SF
or OTR aficionados. This is probably the first time most of the viewers ever
encountered the names Hugo Gernsback and John W. Campbell. Hard as it may be
for SF fans to comprehend, it's possible to imagine a Science Fiction
documentary being produced by the media these days without mention of either
of those pivotal figures. And the documentary basically got their important
positions in SF history correct. (Again, it would have been nice to have
heard a recording of Campbell's voice hosting EXPLORING TOMORROW, but then
again I'm certainly prejudiced when it comes to promoting radio STF.)
And I'm still kicking myself for not being able to think of the world
"split," as in "split the atom" when I talked about the atomic age beginning
in 1938 (the year of Superman's debut and Orson Welles' "War of the Worlds"
broadcast).
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:09:18 -0400
From: "Eric Gowins" <gowins@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: DVD Players and MP3
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I wonder whether any one out there has had a good experience with one of the
new DVD players that will play MP3s? I've tried a couple without good
results when it comes to playing OTR recorded at low bandwidths.
I'd be grateful for the benefit of anyone else's experience in the area.
Don't touch that [removed]
Eric Gowins
Montgomery, AL
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:09:27 -0400
From: Spiceboxer@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Looking for Carol Richards rec
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Greetings all,
Am searching for recordings of or including Carol Richards, any format, radio
or tv shows, tape and/or orig vinyl wanted. Any info or direction is greatly
appreciated.
Tks in advance,
James Cannon
Spiceboxer@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:09:40 -0400
From: "Garry Lewis" <glewis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re:Dahlias black and blue and red all over?
I'm surprised that some dahlia breeder didn't come up with one to honor
Tallulah Bankhead: "The Dahling Dahlia".
Take that, Derek "Punster" Tague!
well if they ever did, I'm sure it would be a really "dilly Dahlia"!
yours pollinating they posting,
Garry D. Lewis
As I said to the Masseuse- "you knead me".
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:09:55 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Uh -- Oh .....
Stephen Jansen, noting about the complaints about the new RSI packaging,
observes,
Before you know it, we'll all be getting our OTR tapes sent to us in a
BAG. Lucky if we even get a second bag to put the listened ones
[removed]"Thank you for your [removed] you like paper or plastic?"
I view this comment with mixed feelings. You may just have given them
the idea!
Any more ideas like that, please put it into the 1945 cipher that Charlie
made available a year ago last April. That will keep them Secret. ...
:-)
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:10:24 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Captain Midnight Detaols
Joe Mackey, quoting from Those Were The Days,
1939 - Captain Midnight was heard on radio for the first time -- on
Mutual. The Captain flew his single-engine plane all over the place
fighting crime. Talk about a popular show: Ovaltine dropped its
sponsorship of Little Orphan Annie to climb on board with Captain
Midnight. The show was also sponsored by Skelly Oil.
The show started in 1938 as a syndicated show, where the character was
first introduced. Skelly Oil, which sponsored the show, had acquired
Spartan Aircraft and its subsidiary, the Spartan School of Aeronautuics.
(The "guests" on the show's commercials were connected with Spartain or
its school.) Premiums flourished the next year, in part because Skelly
premiums weren't sent for: the listeners had to visit a Skelly gas
station to pick them up. Toward the closing of the 1940 season, Skelly
went from 5-day-a-week programming to three times a week.
Ovaltine brought the show to network status, and changed the nature of
Captain Midnight from a freelance do-gooder to the head of a Government
funded paramilitary organization.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:10:56 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Legend?
Vere Scott, groping for the name of the actor who played TLR in the
abysmally bad "The Legend of the Lone Ranger," ventured,
Kevin [?] Spillsbury [?]
Actually, it was Klinton Spilsbury. A news report of the time
indicated that at one point at a public watering hole, he had some sort
of confrontation, and was reported to have yelled, "Do you know who I am?
I'm the Lone Ranger!"
If the story was accurate, it would have been more appropriate for him to
have yelled, "Hi-yo, Silvair, away!" and have ridden off.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:11:05 -0400
From: Kenneth Clarke <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Resource for OTR
If you go online at [removed], and click
on Radio Programs, there are several which they're
offering at great prices! Just thought you'd like to know!
Kenneth Clarke
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:12:51 -0400
From: SanctumOTR@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Cowboys, the Shadow and Our Increasing
Gullibility
In a message dated Sat, 28 Sep 2002 03:18:08 -0400, John Meyer writes:
I assume All-Star was tied to All-Star Western comics, which featured four
western heroes in one slim volume: I believe they were Tim Holt, the Durango
Kid, Lash Larue and The Ghost Rider, but I could be wrong.
***Actually, you're thinking of Magazine Enterprises' BEST OF THE WEST. DC
Comics' ALL-STAR WESTERN continued numerically from ALL STAR COMICS and
featured the Trigger Twins and Johnny Thunder.***
My favorite was the Ghost Rider, who had a number of tricks to fool
superstitious cowboys and Indians that he was, indeed, a cowpoke from beyond
the grave.
***Ghost Rider-creator Dick Ayers has told me that The Shadow inspired the
creation of the Ghost Rider (who spoke in ghostly, filtered tones and
vanished into darkness by means of a reversable cape, black on one side and
glow-in-the-dark on the other.***
One of the reasons I DON'T care for the Orson Welles Shadow <SNIP>
is the plethora of supernatural powers he had that other
writers here have extolled as a virtue of his run. Not only did it make
things too easy for him, but it made suspension of disbelief that much
harder. I preferred the later shows of Johnstone because, like the Ghost
Rider, they often involved seemingly supernatural evils which turned out to
have rational explanations. Seldom were there any supernatural elements in
the Shadow; we should remind ourselves that even his power of invisibility
was thought to be within the realm of scientific possibility since it was
based on hypnosis, a phenomenon that was only then, after decades of being
dismissed as parlor trick mesmerism, getting serious attention from doctors
and psychologists.
***Let me get this straight? You can't accept The Shadow's telepathic
abilities but you can accept his instantaneous mass hypnotic invisibility?
Actually, The Shadow's telepathic and "mental television" powers came from
the same source as his power to cloud men's minds to create
pseudo-invisibility. All these shadowy abilities (along with the character
The Green Lama and most likely Chandu as well) were inspired by Alexandra
David-Neel's MAGIC AND MYSTERY IN TIBET, first published in French in 1929
and published in an American English-language edition in 1932. A practicing
Buddhist, David-Neel lived in Tibet for 14 years, and became the first
European to be initiated as a lama. All the abilities attributed to The
Shadow and Jethro Dumont/The Green Lama were popularized in her reportage.
And the occult had several periods of huge popularity before our present
"gullible" times, in Victorian England following the unearthing of Egyptian
tombs and manuscripts, and again in the 1930s following the publication of
David-Neel's book and the opening of King Tut's tomb.
Many conventional physicists have gone into retirement rather than deal with
some of the discoveries of quantum physics and quantum mechanics. In recent
years, scientists have discovered an interaction between electrons split away
from their original atom and those that remain ’Ķ that altering the movement
of the displaced particles will result in similar changes in the original
structure despite considerable distances. There appears to be a
connection/interaction between the separated particles that cannot be
explained by conventional physics.
Similarly, surgical experiments on rats and studies of heart transplant
patients indicate that memory/feelings exist on a cellular level and are not
necessarily confined to the brain. Tastes, emotions and personality traits
have been documented to have been passed from one person to another during
heart transplants. In some cases, the transplant recipient has been able to
discuss these matters with the transplant donor. (How? Hearts are routinely
included with lung transplants because lung-tranplant patients have higher
survival rates when the heart is transplanted along with the lungs. If the
lung-transplant recipient's heart was healthy, it is recycled into a person
in need of a new heart. Therefore, it's sometimes possible for a
heart-transplant patient to discuss things with a living heart donor. The
situation in the current Clint Eastwood film BLOOD WORK, where a heart
recipient inherits loving feelings toward the donor's sister and son, has
some basis in medical studies.) Recent research has challenged
previously-held notions that consciousness is restricted to the brain.
Skepticism is fine. I'm all for it, especially when it's applied to the
scientific and religious myths commonly accepted in our culture. I am very
unhappy that my daughter's public school here in Texas regularly permits the
Gidions (SP?) to give out New Testament Bibles in the school library, and
announces the giveaways over the school PA system. (How about the Jewish
students? This is the same public school district that suspended a
Chinese-American high school student a couple years ago for carrying a book
on Buddhism at school.) Nowhere are our young people taught that much of the
Gospel story is retold from centuries-older myths of Osirus and Horus,
Quetzalcoatl, Mithra, Buddha and Krishna/Krista (who was born of the virgin
Devaki in a cave while his earthly father was in the city paying taxes, his
birth signaled by a star in the east and attended by shepherds and angels,
persecuted by a tyrant who ordered the slaughter of thousands of infants,
crucified on a tree between two thieves with the sun darkening at his death,
etc.) Some superstitions are deeply ingrained in our society and educational
systems. Perhaps a society that so readily accepts its own legends and myths
should be more willing to imvestigate/consider the beliefs of other lands.***
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:13:52 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: purient interests
Spence Coleman obviously has things on his mind other than OTR.
When I casually mentioned going to school with three of the singing DeMarco
sisters, and mentioned some harmless flirting with one of them. (Gosh, I
wish I could remember which one) :) Spence asks;
Okay, Hal. Now you've got our attention. Just between old friends, what
*really* happened after that initial "harmless flirting"?
Gentlemen don't kiss and tell. You'll have to read the book to find out. :)
In another posting, Sean Dougherty remarked that one of the surviving
DeMarco sisters will be at the FOTR Convention. Probably the youngest one,
so I'm safe. (I've been alerted that she usually brings her husband.
(Drat!!! I wish I could remember which DeMarco it was) :)
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:14:10 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Demarco sisters
Jer likes to live dangerously. His posting re the Demarco sisters is as
follows
<PRE>AS hal said, they were real dolls and were very good singers. I never
could understand why their popularity didnt grow much more on radio and
records. Btw hal, she wasnt making eyes at you, she was just very interested
in
why in the world would anyone wear such a ridiculus hat.
Sad, but true. But the truth of the matter was I was too young to play the
"Lone Ranger" and couldn't wear a sexy mask. :)
Speaking of masks (and the DeMarco's) One of my all time favorite movies was
"Don Juan DeMarco" starring Johnny Depp. (In a mask). It was a delightful
romp about a young guy who thought he was a reincarnation of that famous
lover and wore a mask to hide his shame. TSk! Tsk!
Since I kept my book reasonably squeaky clean, I decided to do a "tell all"
book next. I will title it. "Don Juan was a piker compared to me" :)
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:14:28 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: What's in a name
"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet". Sorry Laura :(
I spelled your name "Lorna" in my posting the other day concerning Jack
Benny". I deserve 39 lashes. (Get the connection?)
Laura responded to my wise guy comment;
Remind me not to tell you about my encounter with Jack Benny.
with the following;
Oh, you mean the one where you auditioned for Jack in his hotel room at the
Plaza and he had on a smoking jacket and you didn't get the part? Don't
worry, I won't ask you about it. ;)
Ok! Who's the blabbermouth? No, I think I know what happened. I'm the
blabbermouth. I probably posted that bit of trivia in the Digest eon's ago,
and Laura clips and pastes on her wall any mention of her idol.
Darn, now she won't have to buy my book to hear that story.
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:14:47 -0400
From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Subject:
From: "Matthew Bullis" <MatthewBullis@[removed];
Hello, just wondered if there is a source of info that tells about the
common actors that played in radio years ago?
COMMON actors?????
Lois Culver
KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
Widow of Howard Culver, actor (uncommon)
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:14:50 -0400
From: "Lois Culver" <lois@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Subject: Interview with actors
For an interview with Harry Bartell,possibly one of the busiest OTR actors,
see the text of his appearance on #Oldradio IRC Chat one Thursday night.
[removed]
[removed]#guests
Lois Culver
KWLK Radio (Mutual) Longview, WA 1941-44
KFI Radio (NBC) Los Angeles CA 1945-47, 50-53
Widow of Howard Culver, actor
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:35:02 -0400
From: marklambert@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: Black Dahlia
Kenneth Clarke asked where he can get info on
the Black Dahlia murder case.
Check out Max Allan Collins' (author of "ROAD TO
PERDITION") novel, ANGEL IN BLACK, in which his
detective, Nate Heller, becomes mixed up in the
Black Dahlia case. Collins researches his historical
mysteries really well, and in his afterword, he typically
cites the sources of his historical research, and
points out what was fact and what was fiction in the
book. See: [removed]
--Mark
[removed]
marklambert@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 15:35:53 -0400
From: Joe Oliver <joliver@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RSI Tape Cases and [removed]
I am a solid Radio Spirits customer, having bought most of their package
sets over the years. And, like others, I've been so turned off with the
new defective cases, and also their reducing packaged sets from 60 shows to
40 shows (20 hours vs. 30 hours for the same price) that I've threatened to
myself to ..."just quit 'um." The truth is that I can't quit: they "own"
our gems, and if we want the best quality copies and art packaging, we're
probably going to have to go along with them. I can't believe that they
won't eventually change the tape cases; as it is now, a negative impression
is registered every time one opens the case to get out a tape, and they fly
in all directions.
So, I still buy RSI. Tollin's writings add much value to the sets, and the
new owners do seem to be maintaining technical quality. Because of the
reduction in amount of shows per set, I do look for deep
discounts. Something I've discovered is that many of the newest releases
are available from Amazon at discounts; however, they are NOT identified as
RSI releases (maybe MediaBay requires this): they are shown as "source
unknown." However, if you look at RSI's listings and release dates, you
can pretty much figure out which set is which.
Joe Oliver
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