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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2005 : Issue 3
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Don't forget the kiddies [ "WILLIS G Saunders" <saunders8@veri ]
L&A [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
Re: Radio Mispronunciations [ Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@sbcglob ]
Cinnamon Bear question [ vigor16@[removed] ]
Pierre Nussbaum Speaks [ "David S. Siegel" <otrdsiegel@veriz ]
Sammy the Drummer [ "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@charter ]
Humbly Standing Corrected [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
willard Waterman on Bonanza [ BrianWest2@[removed] ]
Remley / Mrs. Day [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
1939 Radio - On the Media [ Christopher Werner <werner1@globalc ]
Re: Trash or treasure? [ Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed]; ]
1-4 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Frankie Remley on the Jack Benny Sho [ Kenneth Schwartz <kschwar@[removed] ]
Satelite Radio Article [ seandd@[removed] ]
Rexall Summer Theatre [ Trinapreston3@[removed] ]
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:05:40 -0500
From: "WILLIS G Saunders" <saunders8@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Don't forget the kiddies
Hi People,
I may be--and probably am--wrong, but I seem to remember two characters in
particular who were never heard on two respective juvenile shows. The first
was Butch McGonigal on "The Adventures of Archie Andrews" and Sec. Gen.
Carlisle of the United PPlanets on "Space Patrol."
Please let me know if I made a mistake.
Thank you.
Buck kSaunders
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:58:04 -0500
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: L&A
In Sep. 1943, Lum and Abner adopted a runaway named Mary. She then
disappeared from the program.
She must've run away.
-- LL
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Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 23:59:25 -0500
From: Michael Shoshani <mshoshani@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Radio Mispronunciations
George Aust wrote:
Then there was the Harry
James theme song "Sir ribbon-Sir Ribbon" I wonder how many of you can
decipher that one?
Cheery Beery Bin (Ciribiribin). And there really is no excuse for
messing that one up; lyrics have been sung (two different sets, at
that) by Frank Sinatra and either Ella Fitzgerald or Pearl Bailey - I
forget which one, but I'm leaning toward Pearlie Mae.
Why there are two different sets of lyrics (Frank's was "They're So In
Love", Pearl's was "Give Me Your Heart"), I don't [removed]
it was not uncommon. The Jack Hylton recording (British) of "Just A
Gigolo" has a completely different lyric (sung in the third person,
about the handsome gigolo who will surely find himself alone and
friendless in the end) from the first-person version commonly found in
the USA.
Michael Shoshani
Chicago
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:31:51 -0500
From: vigor16@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Cinnamon Bear question
Hi,
Know it is a little late but a little Cinnamon Bear magic lingers in the
air. When I was quite small, about 4 or 5 years of age, I recall a
sugar/cinnamon shaker that you use on toast and such being in the shape
of a bear. Could this have been marketed via the Cinnamon Bear? The
time was about 1955 or 56. Does anybody know about such a product? I
didn't know about Patty O'Cinnamon until about 12 years ago and didn't
make the connection as a child, since I don't recall ever hearing it as a
child. I vaguely recall a green bow, but that could have been something
else. Could McCormics or some spice company have used the holiday
classic? Thanks much Deric
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:32:05 -0500
From: "David S. Siegel" <otrdsiegel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Pierre Nussbaum Speaks
While the illusive husband of Pansy Nussbaum is not heard from on the
vast majority of FRED ALLEN programs that are in circulation, there are
some very early ALLEN programs that featured CHARLIE CANTOR (Finnigen of
DUFFY'S TAVERN) as the shy Mr. Nussbaum.
Dave S.
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:32:23 -0500
From: "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Sammy the Drummer
I don't have the date of the program, but the voice of Sammy the Drummer is
heard on the Jack Benny program (probably early '50s) in which Mel Blanc
plays the part of telephone repair man, Alexander Graham Bell III. Jack and
"Bell" are interrupted by Sammy, who has dropped by to complain to Jack
about the other band members teasing him about his baldness, etc. And, as
was mentioned, there was a Sammy character on Jack's TV show who had lines.
Michael Leannah
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:32:58 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Humbly Standing Corrected
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It's me again.
I'd like to thank all the wonderful Digest subscribers who weighed in & set
the record straight about the
radio manifestations of FM&M's "Uncle Dennis" and "Myrt," the telephone
operator. My profoundest
apologoes in stating that these were characters in name only. It's nice to
know I'm in good company and
that I'm not the only one prone to these [removed] somebody else on these
hallowed pages misstated the
existence of Dennis day's mother.
I would like to add to the list "Mrs. Peavey' who was often mentioned on "The
Great Gildersleeve." Maybe if
Mr. Peavey had gotten his own spin-off show a la Gildersleeve, Mrs. P. might
have likewise been"retconned"
(as Kermyt calls it) out of existence much like Mrs. Gildy was.
As for "The Wistful Vista Triangle," wasn't there a Chinese restaurant owner
who disappeared from "Fibber" by
the late1930's?
Best from the ether!
Derek Tague
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 11:38:37 -0500
From: BrianWest2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: willard Waterman on Bonanza
I got a big kick today. I was home with my daughter who is sick and happened
to catch an episode of Bonanza. The nex thing I know one of the characters on
this episode was named Throckmorton and he sounded an awful lot like
Gildersleeve. Sure enough, I watched the credits at the end of the show and
there was
the name of Willard Waterman. Pretty Cool. I loved putting the face with the
voice.
Brian West
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:29:46 -0500
From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Remley / Mrs. Day
Whoops, I really screwed up about Dennis Day's mother. Mea culpa! I've
been listening to the Benny show from mid-42 onwards, so I missed
Dennis' earliest shows--and have never really listened to this
(parallel universe) show at all.
Elliot Lewis made at least one appearance as Remley on the Benny show.
The show is 06/06/48 "Jack Leaves For Detroit". I wish he'd been on
more often! (Of course you can hear Elliot quite often in non-Remley
roles in the mid-40s.)
As I said, I've been listening to the shows in order. I'm worried that
after Phil leaves, I'll lose interest. The shows I've heard from the
later years aren't as good--partly because they have so much recycled
material. Sometimes entire scripts are reused almost verbatim--and not
just around holidays. This may not have been evident to listeners of
the time, but for those of us who can revisit the earlier shows, the
presentation of the same material with lesser comedians (Bob and Mahlon
were never Phil's equal) only shows up the weaknesses of the later
shows.
For that matter, the tv shows recycled radio scripts, again often
verbatim, and I find them dramatically less funny when you can see
them. I don't know if it's simply because the jokes are less funny
visually, if it's because Jack is getting too old (and relies too much
on his hand motions, making it look as if he's trying too hard), or
because the core cast is down to Don and Rochester, with Dennis putting
in an occasional appearance (and looking a little old to play the
ingenu). George and Gracie tweaked and changed their format when they
move from radio to tv, and kept tweaking it throughout the tv years.
Maybe Jack should have tried a little more innovation. (Beyond simply
adding pop groups like the Beach Boys in his final years--there's a
whincing moment!)
Maybe I'll plow through, but I imagine after 1952 or so I'll jump back
to the mid-30s, when the writing wasn't as good but the jokes and
characters were fresher.
Kermyt
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:40:31 -0500
From: Christopher Werner <werner1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: 1939 Radio - On the Media
Happy New Year everyone!
This past Sunday afternoon I happened to tune in the NPR program On the
Media (or something like that) and they did a story around the complete
broadcast day recording of September 7, 1939 (the date FDR gave an
important speech regarding some legislation - I know it was Sept. of 1939
but I don't remember the exact date). They credited some 'New' recording
company for releasing the broadcast day recording (I'm sure it is something
in general circulation, they just happened to hear this companies [removed]).
Anyway, in a true clueless modern manner, they asked the author of some
book on the effect of modern Television to provide his comments comparing
Radio in 1939 to TV/the Media today. His comments were generally negative
(most of it was boring). He liked Arthur Godfrey's morning program, noted
the 15 minute infomercial from a Washington, DC based department store,
thought there were too many soap operas (at only 15 minutes each they were
short on plot) claiming he heard more Organ music than plot that day. He
did comment that then and now the Soap Opera is the only media form that
depicts the various social 'classes' in American culture. He thought the
FDR 'as it happened' speech was one of the highlights of the otherwise
boring day. He makes some comments about the percentage of bad material vs
good at any given time in media history being reflected in the 1939
broadcast day. If you think about it most of our collections focus on the
'Prime Time' broadcasts of the evenings which are a small portion of the 24
hour day (1/6th).
I'm sure the program is available for listening on the NPR website - check
it out.
Did anyone else hear the same program and have any additional comments?
[ADMINISTRIVIA: The program is not available on the NPR website, since it is
not produced by National Public Radio, only distributed by them. (We need to
stop thinking of all public radio as "NPR" - it ain't, thank heavens, some of
it is actually intersting, thought-provoking, and not produced by executives
who fire their signature voice for no reason whatsoever.) It is instead a
production of WNYC New York - many of WNYC's productions are distributed by
PRI, and are available on XM Satellite Radio, but not, unfortunately, "On The
Media." Fortunately, this program _is_ available on the web as a high-quality
MP3 download at [removed] Disclamer: I autodownload and
listen to the program every week. --cfs3]
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:35:37 -0500
From: Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Trash or treasure?
Back in Digest #413, Jack French wrote:
I have long subscribed to the adage that "One man's
trash is another man's treasure" < [removed];
Hear! Hear! And amen.
-- Phil C.
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 14:35:43 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 1-4 births/deaths
January 4th births
01-04-1881 - Norman Field - Montreal, Quebec, Canada - d. 9-11-1956
actor: Glen Hunter "One Man's Family"; Uncle George "Meet Corliss Archer"
01-04-1905 - Sterling Holloway - Cedartown, GA - d. 11-22-1992
actor: "Railroad Hour"; "[removed] Steel Hour"; "Suspense"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
01-04-1914 - Jane Wyman - St. Joseph, MO
actress: "Dreft Star Playhouse"
01-04-1916 - Lionel Newman - New Haven, CT - d. 2-3-1989
conductor, composer: (Brother of Alfred) "Hollywood Star Time"
01-04-1919 - Al "Jazzbo" Collins - NYC - d. 9-30-1997
disc jockey: "Collins on a Cloud"; "Happy Al"
01-04-1925 - Johnny Lujack - Connellsville, PA
all-american football player, actor: Himself "Johnny Lujack of Notre Dame"
01-04-1930 - Barbara Rush - Denver, CO
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
January 4th deaths
03-10-1888 - Barry Fitzgerald - Dublin, Ireland - d. 1-4-1961
actor: Bernard Fitz "His Honor, the Barber"
03-14-1912 - Les Brown - Reinerton, PA - d. 1-4-2001
bandleader: (Les Brown and His Band of Renown) "Bob Hope Show"; "Fitch
Bandwagon"
04-03-1904 - Iron Eyes Cody - OK Territory - d. 1-4-1999
actor: "Straight Arrow Pow-Wow
04-06-1895 - Dudley Nichols - Wapakoneta, OH - d. 1-4-1960
screenwiriter: "Cavalcade of America"; "Lux Radio Theatre"
05-26-1909 - Richard Maibaum - NYC - d. 1-4-1991
screen writer: "Lux Radio Theatre"
07-25-1899 - Ralph Dumke - South Bend, IN - d. 1-4-1964
actor: Willie Tompkins "We, the Abbotts"; Pat Plenty "Quality Twins"
08-26-1904 - Chirstopher Isherwood - High Lane, Cheshire, England - d. 1-4-1986
writer: "NBC University Theatre"; "CBS Radio Workshop"
09-13-1908 - Mae Questel - The Bronx, NY - d. 1-4-1998
actress: Betty Boop "Betty Boop Fables"; Olive Oyl "Popeye the Sailor"
10-16-1912 - Berry Kroeger - San Antonio, TX - d. 1-4-1991
actor: Michael Waring/The Falcon "The Falcon"; Reed Bannister "Big Sister"
11-29-1932 - John Gary - Watertown, NY - d. 1-4-1998
singer: "Christmas Music - Spots for the National Guard"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:07:12 -0500
From: Kenneth Schwartz <kschwar@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Frankie Remley on the Jack Benny Show
Although we don't know for sure if he ever spoke on the Jack Benny Show,
Frankie Remley can be distinctly heard laughing on a number of episodes.
I understand that the band rehearsed away from the cast so the musicians
heard the gags for the first time when the show was on the air.
Ken Schwartz
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:08:56 -0500
From: seandd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Satelite Radio Article
Another review of XM and Sirius mentions that they have OTR.
Sean Dougherty
SeanDD@[removed]
[removed];StoryID=28570&Section=Opinion
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 23:02:40 -0500
From: Trinapreston3@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Rexall Summer Theatre
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Yesterday I was surfing the web for information about actress Lynn Bari, I
came across a web site called Glamour Girls of the Silver Screen. The site
list
a bio of her movie career as well as two radio programs that is an episode of
"Suspense" and "Rexall Summer Theatre." Lynn Bari is to have appeared in the
series with Pat O' Brien. Can anyone remember this show airing on the radio?
Is there any copies in circulation? What was the radio series plot? and was
it any good?
Trina,
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