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Date: 11/18/2002 8:40 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 442
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Barbour Family                        [ dantrigg422@[removed] ]
  Frank Milano                          [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
  Gene Noble(s)                         [ EdHowell@[removed] ]
  Re: Radio script                      [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Andy Griffith                         [ JIMWMQT@[removed] ]
  More on selective sponsorship         [ "rcg" <revrcg@[removed]; ]
  FOTR videos (WOW!)                    [ Osborneam@[removed] ]
  Re: WOTW discs                        [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Re: W. J. Cameron                     [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Freeman Gosden - Ham station picture  [ Richard Fisher <w9fjl@[removed]; ]
  Cavalcade of America                  [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Boogie Woogie Girls                   [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Of Pure Curiosity                     [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Ian Grieve                            [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  shadow                                [ Ruk77@[removed] ]
  Today in radio history 11/17          [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Taxes -- off topic                    [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Radio taxes                           [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  Sperdvac Convention Stuff             [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
  Soaps                                 [ Backus2@[removed] ]

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 08:12:40 -0500
From: dantrigg422@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Barbour Family
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Received a wonderful little book about the Barbour Family from Dennis
Townsend, and in it is a thing that puzzles me. It seems that there were
several marriages, and then deaths.
Claudia Barbuor, born 8/1/12. Married 5/6/31 to Jim Roberts Jr. (deceased
1931).
Paul Barbour, born 6/4/1897. Married June 1918 to Elaine Hunter. ( deceased
July 1918.)
Clifford Barbour, twin to Claudia Barbour. Married 9/19/37 to Anne Waite.
(deceased1938.)

The book is put together by Fanny Barbour, and has pictures and little
snippets of each family member. Are these marriages and then deaths true, and
If they are, were they questioned?
I have never heard an episode of  "The Barbour Family," but am expecting some
"books" soon. If anyone can shed some light on this I would be grateful.

Dan

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:34:04 -0500
From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Frank Milano

Ronald Staley writes:

Frank Milano was one of the greatest sound creators in the business. He
could imitate dogs, horses, bears, mountain lions, lots of animals. I
was told by Ivan Curry, the first Bobby Benson of the late 1940's that
there was a recording of Milano's handywork around where Amigo fought a
lion or bear or someting. Anyone have any other recordings than the
famous children's record?

No question that Milano was one of the best animal sound creators. He
usually worked on Mutual shows out of WOR, and some of his best work can
be heard on "Bobby Benson". Robert Novak, the director of that series,
told me that if you asked Frank for the sound of a mosquito, he'd say,
"Male or female?"

The scene which Ronald describes, Amigo fighting a mountain lion, is on
the Decca record. But animal sounds (certainly horses) are used in
nearly every one of the 18 existing episode of "Bobby Benson".  Ones
that come to mind include a bear in "The Unwanted" (3-9-53) , a raging
bull in "Curtain Call for a Clown" (4-5-54), and a mountain lion in
"Queen of the Cowgirls" (12-1-51).

Most OTR dealers have most of these 18 episodes in their catalog, so
they should not be difficult to locate.

Jack French
Editor:  RADIO RECALL
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:35:55 -0500
From: EdHowell@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Gene Noble(s)

In the 40's there was a DJ on WLAC(?) named Gene Noble(s). I kept my radio
tuned to him all night after I signed off the station I worked for. After
missing him for some tiem, I found, somehow, the phone number for his
daughter. She refused to discuss him. Does anyone know how he died? It was
rumored that alcohol did him in but I don't know where I heard that. He was
one of my all-time favorite DJs.

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:36:16 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: Radio script

Rick Keating posts;

I'm currently writing a radio script intended for next spring's Cincinnati
convention.

Hey Rick?

Is there a juicy part for me in it? Bob Burchett has already invited me to
attend next year. But I will decline the invitation if I have to play a damn
Crow again like I did at FOTR? :)

Can I play the "hero" this time? :) (one with a non-squeaky voice?)
Puleeease!

I'll have my agent contact your agent. :)

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:36:24 -0500
From: JIMWMQT@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Andy Griffith

Hey:

Andy Griffith did indeed have a nightly 5-minute monologue little chat on CBS
in late '59 & early '60.  It ran in, if I remember my research corectly, a
half an hour block at 7:30 with a 5-minute newscast, a 5-minute selection of
audio clips from the "Burns & Allen" TV (yes, TV!) show, and "Bob & Ray".
Most of the shows were dumpd a few months before CBS axed almost everything
else in November of 1960.

Jim Koski

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:54:13 -0500
From: "rcg" <revrcg@[removed];
To: "Otr Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  More on selective sponsorship

When I was a very young lad growing up in Western Pennsylvania I recall
listening to a Sunday afternoon game show titled "Darts For Dough". It was
nationally sponsored by Dr. Pepper on ABC Radio. Dr. Pepper was not marketed
in Western PA and the local station did not carry the show. I listened to
the show each week on WWVA, Wheeling WV. I, desperately, wanted to taste Dr
Pepper since the commercials made it sound so good.

One Saturday, my dad and a few of his friends were going to Wheeling to
attend the horse races at the old Wheeling Downs. From the moment that I
heard that he was going to Wheeling I started bugging dad to please, please
bring home some Dr. Pepper. Dad remembered to get me the eagerly awaited
soft drink and I opened a bottle, poured it over the ice cubes, and took a
big gulp. I HATED IT , but I still listened to "Darts For Dough" each
Sunday.

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:08:17 -0500
From: Osborneam@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  FOTR videos (WOW!)

I attended this year's Friends of Old Time Radio Convention
in Newark.  It was fantastic.  I ordered several videotapes
of the convention's re-creations while there.  They arrived
this week.

I cannot tell you how impressed I am at the quality of the
videos.  They are digitally recorded in stereo high-fidelity
and viewing them is like being there!  I hope Satellite
Video Production continues to film the convention - they have
done a great job.  And my set arrived sooner than I expected!
I will enjoy these videos for years to come.  (Next year I'll buy their DVDs!)

If you want to see what the convention is like or if you
want to enjoy it all over again, you should get a set.
The quality is superb.

Arlene Osborne

[ADMINISTRIVIA: I second [removed] I've only had time to watch one tape
so far, the video and audio quality is [removed] I am looking forward
over the next few weeks to enjoying the convention all over again, and
catching all of the things I missed. If you haven't been to a convention,
this is the _perfect_ way to see how much fun they [removed] if you have,
this is the way to relive and remember them over and over again. DISCLAMER: I
have no vested interest in these tapes/DVDs other than having been fortunate
enough to play with Fred's high-end equipment for a few panels, and being in
front of it for one recreation. (I don't think I broke [removed])  --cfs3]

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 12:53:42 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: WOTW discs

Ed Carr wrote:

can anyone venture a guess as to what a 2 disc set of radio recorders
war of the worlds program would be worth, as i  know 1 person who
has a set. and i might know of 2 people, but the 2nd person i have
to confirm, i don't want people to think i am blowing smoke.

There's been a set of WOTW copy discs made by Radio Recorders in 1948
floating around for years -- I know of at least three other people who
have owned this set in the last decade. The audio quality is not
impressive, given that the discs are dubs and not originals, and the
value would be, essentially, whatever someone was willing to pay for
them.

>From my own point of view, this value would be more based on "novelty"
worth than of actual intrinsic value. In other words, they'd probably be
worth more to someone who wanted to frame them and hang them on the wall
in order to say "Hey, lookit what I got" than to someone actually
interested in a state-of-the-art remastering of the program itself. If I
really wanted this set of discs, I might pay a couple of hundred dollars
for it, but no more.  All I'd get for my money is a fuzzy-sounding dub
and bragging rights, neither of which interests me. In fact, I was
offered this set in 1998 and passed.

Another WOTW set was auctioned off last year as part of the estate of
longtime radio equipment collector Ralph Muchow -- and these discs are
far more interesting than the Radio Recorders copy discs. While no
information on authentication was presented in the reports of the auction
that I read, photos of the discs themselves showed the recording was made
on Presto Green Seal "Q" blanks. This is consistent with the type of disc
which probably would have been used to record this program in 1938 -- but
the discs themselves had no labels other than the Presto trademark, and
no information is available to document the history of these discs other
than the claims of authenticity made by the Muchow estate itself. Despite
the lack of authentication, this set of discs sold for $14,000. The
identity of the buyer has not been revealed, so we'll probably not be
getting any answers about the questions surrounding these discs.

I would caution *anyone* approached about buying a purported set of WOTW
discs to be VERY skeptical. With the proper equipment and a little
knowledge, it would be very easy to make a set of counterfeit discs that
would completely fool the average transcription collector -- and with a
little additional effort, you might even be able to slip it past an
expert. I'd be *especially suspicious* of a set of discs with no labels,
even if the blanks were the correct brand -- it's true that
transcriptions often lose applied paper labels in storage, but it would
also make it much easier for a scam artist to pass off a counterfeit if
they didn't have to worry about manufacturing authentic-looking recording
studio labels.

Elizabeth

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:40:59 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: W. J. Cameron

On 11/17/02 3:08 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

I am interested in learning about the Ford Sunday Evening Hour Talks,
sponsored by Ford and hosted by WJ Cameron.  I know the weekly program
began airing in 1934 and went into the 1940s.  Anyone have more info?

W. J. Cameron had been the editor of the Dearborn Independant, the
Ford-backed anti-Semitic newspaper of the early 1920s which became
notorious for its publication of a series of articles called "The
International Jew: The World's Foremost Problem," drawn to a considerable
extent from the fradulent "Protocols of the Elders of Zion." These
articles were copied and widely circulated by many of the home-grown hate
groups which rose up in the 1920s and 1930s, ranging from the KKK to the
Silver Shirts to the German-American Bund. They also helped fortify the
beliefs of Father Charles E. Coughlin, and many of the ideas promoted by
Coughlin in his broadcasts of the late 1930s have paralells in material
published in the Cameron-Ford paper.

Cameron became Ford's public mouthpiece during the 1930s -- when he
spoke, his comments were generally understood as reflecting the views of
Ford himself. Most of the commentary offered on the "Ford Sunday Evening
Hour" broadcasts avoided the sort of inflammatory statements that had
characterized Cameron's newspaper work, sticking to a basic anti-New Deal
point of view, but the series generated a flare of controversy in 1937
during the vicious battles between Ford and United Auto Workers union
organizers at the company's River Rouge assembly plant. Organizers
attempting to hand out leaflets were beaten bloody by company goons, and
when grisly photos of these beatings appeared on the front pages of the
nation's newspapers in May 1937, Ford used Cameron's weekly radio talks
to justify his actions and denounce the union. These talks were widely
criticized as one-sided propaganda, and cost Ford and Cameron
considerable credibility.

The Cameron talks were aggressively anti-Labor during the late 1930s, but
the emphasis shifted to isolationism during the 1939-40 period. During
this period, Ford served briefly as a member of the national board of the
America First Committee, but was subsequently ousted when the
organization tried to purge itself of too-controversial elements.

By 1940, Cameron's talks were being widely attacked by both outright
interventionists and moderates: an article published in Movie-Radio Guide
that year identified Cameron as one of the purveyors of "poisoned news,"
or Nazi-influenced propaganda, on American radio, and found his
broadcasts particularly offensive because they were presented as part of
an entertainment program.

Cameron's talks were widely published in pamphlet form, and these
pamphlets are still very easy to find in second-hand bookstores.

Elizabeth

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:41:23 -0500
From: Richard Fisher <w9fjl@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Freeman Gosden - Ham station picture in LOOK
 magazine

Back in the late 40's or 50's there was a picture of Freeman Gosden at
his ham radio station in LOOK magazine.

I have been looking for that issue for many years but have been unable
to locate it.  The Cincinnati Public Library has the complete run of
LOOK in hard covers - one book for each year.

I am fairly certain the picture would have appeared between 1948 and
1961. Of course at about 1000 pages of LOOK each year that is about
13,000 pages to "LOOK" through and with my luck I would turn two pages
together and they would be the ones I want and would miss it.

Unfortunately the  Index of Periodicals does not cover LOOK magazine
until 1961 even though the magazine first appeared in 1936 (I think).

Can anyone help?  I wonder if Freeman Gosden Jr. would know but I have
no way of contacting him.

Dick W8AM (licensed 54 years)

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:41:39 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cavalcade of America

There was a member of this digest some time ago who was working along
getting the five uncirculating Cavalcade of America episodes from a specific
institution, as well as already finding some "lost" episodes.  They were
working on the MP3 format, if I recall, but I seem to have misplaced their
contact info.  If that person can drop me a line and touch base, there is a
fellow in Washington who is interested in talking with you - and may have
some Cavalcades you don't have.
Martin
mmargrajr@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:42:21 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Boogie Woogie Girls

For anyone who has attended the Cincinnati, OTR convention, The Boogie
Woogie Girls who perform ever year have just built their own web-site.

[removed]

Just an FYI for anyone who wants to check it out.  By the way, Bob
Burchett's Cincinatti OTR convention is in April and at a new hotel where
the room rates are even lower!  Drop an e-mail to Bob and he'll give you the
info - call and book your hotel room now before the hotel gets booked.  It
never hurts to book early - even this early!
Bob is at haradio@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:42:47 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Of Pure Curiosity

I had a press release mailed to me earlier this week, for a transcribed
radio series, and the press release, obviously, is meant for the station
managers to read and decide whether they want to buy the transcriptions for
air time or not.  There was, however, an odd footnote on the bottom of the
press release which read: "* Unavailable for sponsorship by Beer, Ale, Yeast
or Gelatin accounts."

Now I do know what this footnote MEANS, but why it is mentioned on the press
release is a puzzle (at least to me anyway).  Is there a reason why someone
would put this footnote in print?  Reason being, it would seem to me that if
a producer wanted to sell or rent out the discs, he wouldn't want any
limitations held against the series that might make station managers decide
not to buy the program.  Second, even among the liquor, why not Yeast of
Gelatin?

Was there some sort of law about the limitations of sponsorships during the
1940s?  Or would this be something the producer wished to incorporate for
his own personal beliefs?

Martin

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:42:59 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ian Grieve

Ian Grieve - where are you?  I have something to e-mail you, something
you'll love, but my e-mails are kicking back and I have been waiting for you
to post something so I can send it to you with your newer e-mail address.
Seems I'm using an old one that doesn't work.
Martin Grams

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:43:05 -0500
From: Ruk77@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  shadow

does any one have info about the episode ladeled 'Murder By The Dead'
10/17/37. This sounds like a recreation.
also was wondering why there has not been a movie made about the shadow
lately. with all the movies they make now of old comic book charecters and
such, you would think a big budget shadow movie would have been thought of.
Is it because of the copy-write situation and the fact that no one 'owns' the
shadow any more? I would love to see it but I'm sure they would not get it
right anyway.

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 13:43:14 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history 11/17

>From Those Were The Days --

1938 - Orchestra leader Kay Kyser, speaking to an audience at the
College of the City of New York (CCNY) told of the "inner workings and
artistic features of swing music." It marked the first of a series of
lectures on swing music presented by Kyser, who went on to present The
Kollege of Musical Knowledge on radio.

  Joe

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Visit my home page:
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 14:31:04 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Taxes -- off topic

  Bill Murtough wrote --

The mention about taxing radios in some areas brings back [removed] The
assessor would would ring your doorbell and when you opened the door he
would inquire as to how you were enjoying your new television [removed] Their
ploy was to drive around the neighborhood looking for rooftop TV antennas.
At tax time the wealthy would place their art collections in storage
(probably Bekins) and head for a Palm Springs vacation.

  There is a house that sits right on the line of two counties near
here.  Half the house is in one county, the other side is in another
county.  When it was heard the assessor was on the way the family moved
all the furniture to the opposite side of the house so there was
"nothing" to assess.  :)
   Joe

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Visit my home page:
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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:25:34 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Radio taxes

Mark Stratton has had the experience a number of us have with state/county
"personal property taxes".  He ends his comment with:

I would hate to think that they could tax my radios, or my computer or
my home [removed](shudder)

...or satellite dish, satellite radio, [removed]

Give 'em time.  If they can, they will.

Lee Munsick

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 16:25:44 -0500
From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Sperdvac Convention Stuff
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Another web page from my time at the recent SPERDVAC Convention.  This time I
run into Bobb Lynes.

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CAB

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   From the Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms
     Encino, California.

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Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2002 18:38:56 -0500
From: Backus2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Soaps

   Can anyone tell me if there are any continuous runs of popular soaps
available on CD or tape? I see individual episodes once in a while, but I'd
like to find at least enough consecutive episodes to get some of the story
line, preferably a Hummert program.
                                                        Thanks,
                                                         Dick Backus
                                                          Monongahela, PA

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