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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2008 : Issue 157
                         A Part of the [removed]!
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                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Tale of the tape                      [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  6-23 births/deaths                    [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
  risque joke                           [ KC0PWA <oldradiotimes@[removed]; ]
  Breakfast Club                        [ riesse2@[removed] ]
  Ray Bradbury                          [ Brian Fitzgerald <brianfitz10@yahoo ]
  Re: Monitor                           [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:59:51 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Tale of the tape

Let me add a couple of things about Bing and the early use of tape.  But
first a little correction to my posting -- I had misunderstood that it was
Bing on Benny's show, not vice versa, thus my closing comment about whether
the April 4, 1948 was on disc or tape.  Benny's show would still be live.

The main reason Bing wanted to pre-record his program was not so he could
get out to the golf course between East and West coast shows, as Ken
Greenwald stated, but so that he could EDIT the shows.  He wanted to be able
to fool around with the audience and the guests but still have an orderly
show.  Advance recording did have the benefit of being able to do the
programs when the guests were available, but editing was the major reason
for pre-recording.  West Coast repeats on disc were not unknown, remember
that Jack Benny's show was aired with recorded repeats around 1940, and
Mutual had never had a recording ban at all.

Also usually forgotten is the real reason why ABC gave in to allowing
recording: they were disc delaying their entire network an hour for the
Daylight Saving time seasons for the areas still on Standard time starting
in the Spring of 1946.  It was only the concession to editing that had to be
overcome to allow the Philco show on in the Fall of 1946.  The Daylight
Saving and Philco projects were done on disc in 1946 and 47, but as I
mentioned in the previous post, they started testing the use of tape for
mastering and editing the Philco show in 1947, with the program aired Oct 1,
1947 being the first one that had been edited on tape.  As mentioned, that
program was dubbed to disc for airing.  When ABC began using a fleet of ten
Ampex and Stencil-Hoffman tape recorders in their Chicago facility in May
1948 for the Daylight Saving delays, they started allowing the direct
playing of the Philco show on tape.  Mutual started using tape for Daylight
Saving delay in 1950 using Magnacord machines, and NBC also switched to tape
in either 1950 or 51.

Jim Cox discusses the use of recordings for Ma Perkins on CBS for two weeks
in the Summer of 1950, and mentions:  "It appears that 1949 might have been
the decisive year when the stringent rules banning prerecording were finally
relaxed by Messrs Paley and Sarnoff and their cohorts."  To be precise, it
was Feb 8, 1949 when NBC Exec. Ken R. Dyke sent out memo #2-49-005 allowed
the full use of transcriptions on NBC if they were high fidelity.  Tape is
not mentioned, and it is to be assumed that discs were being used, and
probably were still being used for the Ma Perkins CBS programs Jim has.
Although Edward R. Murrow had been using tape for his "I Can Hear It Now"
phonograph record series since 1948, tape was slow to appear in
entertainment production facilities.  I have also heard some of the tape
mastered Gunsmokes, and I think they start somewhere in 1952 or 53.  The
quality is startling.  I have two original 15 IPS tape masters for "Crime
Fighters" episodes aired July 8, 1954 and May 17, 1956 on Mutual.  Likewise,
the sound quality is startling.  Rand@coolcatdaddy asked how many tape
masters still exist and where they are.  I think that the Gunsmokes are in
SPERDVAC, and I bought the two Crime Fighters tapes over 30 years ago at the
Englishtown NJ fleamarket.  At NBC they erased and reused tape, dubbing the
tapes to disc if the program was to be archived.  Tape doesn't really exist
there until the mid-60s.  I think this is similar at the other networks.
The erasability of tape was too tempting.

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 09:59:55 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  6-23 births/deaths

June 23rd births

06-23-1876 - Irvin S. Cobb - Paducah, KY - d. 3-10-1944
humorist: "Gulf Show"; "Paducah Plantation"
06-23-1884 - Marley R. Sherris - Toronto, Canada - d. 7-2-1956
announcer: "Midweek Hymn Sing"; "National Vespers"
06-23-1889 - Kajetan Attl - d. 2-13-1976
harpist: KPO, San Francisco, California
06-23-1894 - King Edward VIII - Richmond Park, England - d. 5-28-1972
king, ex-king, duke: Abdication Speech for the "woman" he loved
06-23-1894 - Laurie York Erskine - England - d. 11-30-1976
author: "Renfrew of the Mounted"; "Adventure Story"; "National
Children's Week"
06-23-1895 - Pick Malone - nr. Dallas, TX - d. 1-22-1962
comedian: "Show Boat"; "Chesterfield Supper Club"
06-23-1907 - Eddie Pola - NYC - d. 11-3-1995
director: "Blondie"
06-23-1908 - Erik Barnouw - The Netherlands - d. 7-19-2001
radio historian/author: "A Tower of Babel"; "The Golden Web"; "The
Image Empire"
06-23-1908 - Mary Livingston - Vancouver, Canada - d. 6-30-1983
comedienne: (wife of Jack Benny) "Jack Benny Program"
06-23-1910 - Edward P. Morgan - Walla Walla, WA - d. 1-27-1993
newscaster: "News and Commentary"
06-23-1910 - Milt Hinton - Vicksburg, MS - d. 12-19-2000
jazz bassist: "Town Hall Concert"; "Monsanto Night: Benny Goodman"
06-23-1911 - Eddie Miller - New Orleans, LA - d. 4-1-1991
saxaphone: "The Bob Crosby Show"
06-23-1912 - John Milton Kennedy - Farrell, PA - d. 6-11-2006
announcer: "Lux Radio Theatre"; "Tidbit Revue"
06-23-1914 - Nat Hiken - Chicago, IL - d. 12-7-1968
creator, director, writer: "Magnificent Montague"; "Texaco Star Theatre"
06-23-1916 - Irene Worth - Fairbury, NE - d. 3-10-2002
actor: "Odyssey of Homer"
06-23-1917 - Norman Rose - Philadelphia, PA - d. 11-12-2004
narrator: "Dimension X"
06-23-1922 - Rusty Morris - Colorado - d. 5-14-1986
actor: "Halls of Ivy"; "Mayor of the Town"; "This Is Your FBI"
06-23-1925 - Larry Blyden - Houston, TX - d. 5-6-1975
actor: "Radio City Playhouse"; "Cavalcade of America"
06-23-1929 - June Carter Cash - Maces Spring, VA - d. 5-15-2003
singer: "Grand Ole Opry"
06-23-1943 - James Levine - Cincinnati, OH
conductor: "The Metropolitan Opera"

June 23rd deaths

01-28-1880 - Mary Boland - Detroit, MI - d. 6-23-1965
03-25-1897 - John Laurie - Dumfries, Scotland - d. 6-23-1980
actor: James Fraser "Dad's Army"
04-30-1925 - Corinne Calvert - Paris, France - d. 6-23-2001
actor: "Martin and Lewis Show"
05-17-1911 - Maureen O'Sullivan - Boyle, Ireland - d. 6-23-1998
actor: "Dreft Star Playhouse"; "Family Theatre"
06-12-1914 - Sydna Scott - Chicago, IL - d. 6-23-1996
actor: "Luke Slaughter of Tombstone"
06-21-1880 - Mary Young - d. 6-23-1971
actor: Lily "Arnold Grimm's Daughter"
07-07-1907 - Elton Britt - Marshall, AR - d. 6-23-1972
singer: "Tennessee Jed"
08-13-1886 - Aurania Rouverol - Utah - d. 6-23-1955
author: "Andy Hardy"
08-18-1893 - Benjamin Abrams - Rumania - d. 6-23-1967
co-founder of Emerson radio
08-28-1891 - Stanley Andrews - Chicago, IL - d. 6-23-1969
actor: Daddy Warbucks "Little Orphan Annie"
09-07-1905 - Ivy Maude Baker Priest - Kimberly, UT - d. 6-23-1975
treasurer of the united states: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
09-26-1893 - Fay Holden - Birmingham, England - d. 6-23-1973
actor: Mrs. Hardy "The Hardy Family"
09-29-1895 - Colonel Roscoe Turner - d. 6-23-1970
host, narrator: "Sky Blazers"
10-06-1925 - Shana Alexander - NYC - d. 6-23-2005
writer and commentary
10-17-1917 - Sumner Locke Elliott - Sydney, Australia - d. 6-23-1991
writer: "Jezebel's Daughter"
11-16-1895 - Michael Arlen - Rustchuk, Bulgaria - d. 6-23-1956
creator: "The Falcon"

Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:00:11 -0400
From: KC0PWA <oldradiotimes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  risque joke

The other day I was listening to an episode of Honest Harold (a Dec. episode
I believe)and Harold and Gloria are having a discussion about one of Gloria's
girlfriends. Gloria says her friend was dating a "petting" officer and Harold
insists there's no such thing, only a "petty" officer. Gloria's response is
"That's not what I hear." I about choked. Did this back-and-forth have the
same sexual connotations as today? If so, it seems pretty blatant to get past
the censors.
Ryan Ellett

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:00:31 -0400
From: riesse2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Breakfast Club
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My name is Joe Riesselman  from Dubuque . Iowa
While in high school I was on the Breakfast [removed] the summer of 1955. I was
at a high school journalism conference in Chicago.
Anybody have this program?

Joe Riesselman
riesse2@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:17:04 -0400
From: Brian Fitzgerald <brianfitz10@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ray Bradbury

I'm working on a book for middle schoolers on Ray Bradbury. I'm looking for
background on his radio days and any leads on photos or interesting
Bradbury-related imagery.

Please contact me off-list if you can help.  Thanks in advance!

Brian F.

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Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:30:39 -0400
From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Monitor

Does anyone recall a show on the old Monitor  program what was a singing
contest between Der Bingle, and Franklie Boy? I was  very young at the time,
but
if i remember correctly, people may have even been  asked to phone in their
vote for their favorite singer.

Am I dreaming, or  did this show really happen.

Charlie

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