Subject: [removed] Digest V2005 #264
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 8/31/2005 10:05 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2005 : Issue 264
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  FOTR CONVENTION IN [removed]               [ Hal Stone <otrjug@[removed]; ]
  grander ole' opry                     [ <cooldown3@[removed]; ]
  Classical Music Themes in OTR         [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed]; ]
  Classical music as [removed]          [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
  Are ya'll listenin'? I say, are ya l  [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  Prokofiev/FBI                         [ Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed]; ]
  Who 'that man' was                    [ Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed]; ]
  Book Beat                             [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
  Godfrey and Quinn -- from "Living th  [ "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed] ]
  "That's a Joke, Kemosabe!"            [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
  western theme                         [ gary young <garyy2002us@[removed]; ]
  FBI show theme                        [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
  Classical Theme Songs                 [ "Henry R. Hinkel" <hinkel@[removed] ]
  Classical Music Themes                [ "Jim Cox" <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
  Ur-War of the Worlds                  [ "karl tiedemann" <karltiedemann@hot ]
  OTR Actor Bouchey                     [ Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed] ]
  Bill Bouchey                          [ "Lois Culver" <loiseula@[removed] ]
  OTR catchphrases                      [ Danica Stein <danicas@[removed]; ]

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 15:11:53 -0400
From: Hal Stone <otrjug@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  FOTR CONVENTION IN [removed]

Just thought I'd say a few words about the upcoming FOTR (Friends of Old
Time Radio) Convention being held near the Newark Airport on Oct. 20, 21,
22, 23.

This is the Grand-Daddy of all the OTR Conventions, and they will be
celebrating their 30th Anniversary. Jay Hickerson informs me that 30 OTR
guests have been invited.

Not to be maudlin or employ sick humor, I could say something [removed]"Gee!
I didn't know there were that many of us left". But on that point, OTR
actors actually are a vanishing breed, and if you have never been to one of
these OTR Conventions, now would be a perfect time.

You will get to see mucho dealer tables during the mornings, and attend many
OTR related [removed] OTR guest [removed] not to mention the many
recreations that the pro's participate in.

But best of all, I have never been to any OTR event where the actors don't
make themselves readily available to chat and mingle with the
conventioneers. If you are a true fan of OTR, but have yet to experience the
full array of OTR activities offered by FOTR in the New York/New Jersey
area, this would be the year to do it. It will probably be the last time so
many OTR veterans will be assembled.

The Newark, NJ location is ideal, because it's close to New York, yet has
lower hotel rates (comparatively speaking). You get more bang for the buck,
as they say. And it's only a stones throw (pardon the pun) from Newark
Airport, so people can easily get there from anyplace in the Country, hop
the hotel shuttle bus, check into the hotel, register at the Convention
Desk, and start having fun. There are always the regulars that show up, many
of them the heavy hitters (posters) that you know from this Digest.

I'll be there from the evening of Oct 19th thru Sunday morning, the 23rd.
(For whatever that's worth).

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:20:48 -0400
From: <cooldown3@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  grander ole' opry

Hi All.

I haven't seen the Renfro Valley Barn Dance mentioned yet. Below is a link
to the website

[removed]

and the link to the 2006 bluegrass festival there

[removed]

OTR, live on stage. Still going strong.

Y'all come down some time,
Patrick[in bowling green, ly]

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:21:05 -0400
From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Classical Music Themes in OTR

[removed]@[removed]  writes:

The only ones I recall are "William Tell" for The Lone
Ranger; "Flight Of The Bumblebee" [Rimsky-Korsakov]
for The Green Hornet;  "Omphales Spinning Wheel"
[St. Seans] for The Shadow, and "Donna Diana Overture"
[Reznicek] for Challenge Of The Yukon. Does anyone
know of more classical music used as themes for those
programs we all love?

In the Lone Ranger, the main themes were from the final
part of the overture to Rossini's "William Tell," but they
also used Liszt's "Les Preludes,"  Berlioz's "Symphonie
Fantastique," and Mendelssohn's "Hebrides (Fingal's Cave)
Overture" for incidental music.

Other themes:
"Captain Midnight" - Wagner's "The Flying Dutchman"
"The Family Hour" - Debussy's "Clair de Lune"
"The FBI in Peace and War" - Prokofiev's March from "Love
     for Three Oranges"
"The Goldbergs" - Toselli's "Serenade"
"I Love a Mystery" and "I Love Adventure" both used "Valse
     Triste" by Sibelius
"Lorenzo Jones"  - Luigi Denza's "Funiculi Funicula"
"Mandrake the Magician" - Dukas' "The Sorcerer's Apprentice"
"Milton Berle" - "On the Trail" from Grofe's "Hrand Canyon Suite"
"Mr. District Attorney" - "Ein Heldenleiben" by. Richard Strauss
"We the People" and NBS's "Toscanini, the Man behind the Legend"
      with Ben Grauer both used Brahm's first symphony
"You Are There" used Copland's "Fanfare for the Common Man"

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:04:32 -0400
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Classical music as [removed]

Here are a few more classical themes that I can think [removed]

    Chicago Symphony orchestra, cond. by Henry Weber:  Brahms: Symphony no.
1, last mvt. at the tempo change.
    Longienes Symphonette, Michel Piastro, cond.  Beethoven's "Moonlight"
sonata, 1st mvt. (arr. for orchestra); Beethoven:  Symphony no. 5, last
movement.
    First Piano Quartet:  Rachmaninoff:  Variations on a theme of Paganini
(1 of the variations; can't recall which one).
    Cities Service Band of America.  I think Paul Lavalle composed his own
"Cities Service march."
    Karl Haas' music appreciation program.  Beethoven's "Pathetique" piano
sonata (1st mvt.)

    And several more that were themes of radio drama programs.  "Escape" had
two themes, both by Musorgskii:  Night on bare mountain and Pictures at an
Exhibition.
    That's just the tip of the iceberg; other contributors will recall the
[removed]!

Ted Kneebone.  OTR website:  [removed]
Democrats: [removed]
1528 S. Grant St., Aberdeen, SD 57401 / Phone: 605-226-3344

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:05:14 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Are ya'll listenin'? I say, are ya listenin?

Dear Elizabeth-

I'd welcome the opinions  of animation/radio experts here, because, in my
readings,  [removed]

"For example, people
who know the catchphrase "That's a  joke, son!" and say it in perfect
imitation
of Foghorn Leghorn, but who miss  the joke that the rooster is a take-off
on Senator  Claghorn!"

...has always still been a bone of contention - to a  degree, anyway.

At least, in his autobio, Mel Blanc claimed that his  voice was developed
without reference to Kenny Delmar's. In support of that,  unlike voice artists
like Paul Frees and Daws Butler, Blanc rarely used  imitation as a basis.

Curiously,
Craig

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 17:07:11 -0400
From: Ed Kindred <kindred@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Prokofiev/FBI
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I've always thought that was ironic, using music for a program about
the FBI from a Russian composer living under communism.

Prokoviev who studied under Rimsky-Korsakov amongst others spent time in
the US and in Europe
outside of Russia. He arrived broke in 1918, wrote the opera "Love of
Three Oranges" for the Chicago
Opera which was premiered under his direction 30 December 1921 in Chicago.
Before the premier however:

"Even though he finished the Love for Three Oranges on time, the director
of the Chicago Opera, Cleofonte Campanini died suddenly in December 1919
and the premiere was postponed until the following year. Prokofiev was
left unpaid for his opera, and concert appearances were drying up. Once
again poor and out of work, Prokofiev  set sail for Paris in the spring of
1920 to hook up with Diaghilev."
"It is ironic that Prokofiev left American shores on such bitter terms.
When The Love for Three Oranges finally did premiere in Chicago in
December 1920, it was an immediate hit. So successful was the reception in
fact, that it was staged in opera houses throughout Europe"
Obviously internet sources disagree on the year but not the month.

The suite "Love of Three Oranges" was composed in 1924 and premiered in
Paris under Serge Koussevitsky of Boston Symphony Orchestra fame.

For further information:  [removed]

Theme for the FBI in Peace and War appropriate?  Why not, he lived here
when he wrote it.
Ed Kindred

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:01:34 -0400
From: Philip Chavin <pchavin@[removed];
To: ToPostOn OTRdigest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Who 'that man' was

In #263 Stuart Lubin wrote the following re my posting
"A long wait":

Interesting story, Phillip Chavin, of the guest on
Bergen-McCarthy,
getting a shoe shine.  But we are all dying to know:
 Who WAS that man?

The man was Frankie Laine.  The Bergen-McCarthy taping
I was waiting in line for, and attended, was broadcast
on February 1, 1953.  Soon I'm going to start a search
to try to find out if there's a recording of that
broadcast in circulation.

-- Phil C.

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:02:07 -0400
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Book Beat
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Jell-O Again, Gang!

I'd like to second Laura Leff's praise pf Elizabeth McLeod's recent McFarland
release "The Original
Amos 'n' Andy: Freeman Gosden, Charles Correll and the 1928--1943 Radio
Serial."  I just acquired
a copy of it for myself, and to borrow a turn-of-phrase from Edd
"Kookie"Byrnes, Elizabeth's book is
the "ginchiest!" For the record, Ms. McLeod was kind enough to put my name in
the acknowledgments
even though my contribution negligibly consisted of digging up  an "A'n'A"
radio review from some NYC
newspaper or another from the microform room at the"mane" NYPL (the lion
sentries "Patience" &
"Fortitude"  say "hello"). Elizabeth's book is quite comprehensive amd
informative. One only hopes she'll
take on pursuing  a post-1943 sequel, or perhaps writing an "A'N'A" radio
log-book based on the 4,000 +
"A'n'A" scripts she has access to-- a book akin to Ms. Leff's "39 Forever"
logbook of "The Jack Benny
Show."

Which reminds [removed] long as I'm praising two of my favourite under-40 OTR
historians, I'd also would
like to recommend the aforementioned "39 Forever." I like to think that
younger folks like Martin Grams Jr.
and Laura Leff have totally re-invented the concept of the OTR episode log by
actually taking the time to
listen to the many episodes in [removed] I've seen some early OTR-related
logs from the early 1970s, and
although they were good for their day, their authors and compilers did not
always have hundreds of episodes
at-hand like nowadays and were usually only able to impart minimal information
-- usually an airdate, a title,
and an occasional guest-star or two.

What OTR fans these days crave are episode "synopses"  and that's what is most
prized in each
episode write-up chronicled by Laura. I happen to know of a couple of
log-meisters pondering going back
through their own earlier works and expanding them to include the invaluable
plot [removed]'d like to think
with her "39 F" that Laura's has become the gold-standard by which future
log-books will be judged.

Unsolicitedly yours in the ether,

Derek Tague

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:05:18 -0400
From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Godfrey and Quinn -- from "Living the Life of
 Riley"

Godfrey would tell one or two Irish stories - or have a brief conversation
with his Hibernian colleen, singer Carmel Quinn. As a result he'd get stuck
in the Irish lilt for the rest of the program, or at the least that 15-minute
segment. His Irish song recordings - both with Ms. Quinn and on his own -
sold very well, as did his many, many others.

Does anyone know if Ms. Quinn is still around? I have one of her records,
with Arthur Godfrey joining in on "The Humour is On Me Now," where the
grooves had been worn flat about 20 years ago. I've always felt that, for the
sentimental version of Irish songs she was unbeatable.

 B. Ray

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:05:56 -0400
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  "That's a Joke, Kemosabe!"
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About recent OTR catch-phrases still in use today as  mentioned here on the
Digest:

Oft-times at FOTR conventions here in NJ, I find myself getting OTR dealer
Anthony
Tollin a can of Coca-Cola from the private stash in my room. Each time I'd
hand him one,
one of us would say "I say, I say, That's a Coke, Son! Coke, that is!" It
never stops
being funny between [removed]' I must defer to Commissioner Tollin on this
account. His
"Senator Claghorne" is many times better than mine, but, then again, I never
had the
honour of having once been Kenny Delmar's next-door neighbour as Tony once
did.

As for "What do you mean 'we,' Kemosabe?": this is a punchline to a joke in
which
The Lone Ranger and Tonto find themselves trapped in a canyon surrounded on
all
sides by hostile Indians. The Ranger says something like, "We've been in
tougher
situations, Tonto." to which Tonto replies with the above punch-line.

This line is usually delivered when someone presumptuously includes another
person
into a collective "we." I even heard Connie Kendall say "What do you mean
'we,'  Kemosabe?"
to Eugene Meltsner on an episode of the latter-day radio drama "Adventures in
Odyssey."

"that's about the size of it!"

Derek Tague

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:06:15 -0400
From: gary young <garyy2002us@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  western theme
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I am a lurker and read the digest religiously and learn from you all. Thank
you.
With  the discussion about National barn dance, grand ole opry, Hollywood
barn dance, I was hoping someone out there could assist me in getting or
pointing me in the right directions to get good quality copies (MP3 if
possible).  I discovered after hearing All star western theatre and Gene
Autry's melody ranch and some others, I have a real liking and interest in
old western performers.  I just like the music I guess.  I'm  looking for
NBD, [removed] , HBD and Louisianna hay ride

Thanks

Garyy2002us@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:07:38 -0400
From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  FBI show theme

On Wednesday, August 31, 2005, at 03:12 PM Alan Bell wrote:

The theme to The FBI in Peace
and War was Prokofiev's March from the Love for Three Oranges.
I've always thought that was ironic, using music for a program about
the FBI from a Russian composer living under communism.

Walter Winchell thought it was ironic too, and in one of his columns he
chided J. Edgar Hoover for using music from a Communist composer on his
FBI show.

In rebuttal, Hoover pointed out that 1) Sergei Prokofiev was not a
Communist. He fled his native country in 1918 and lived in France until
1936 before reluctantly returning to the Soviet Union, where he was
severely criticized by the Communists for his "ideological laxity" and
2) "The FBI in Peace and War" was not authorized by the FBI nor did
they render it any cooperation.  The FBI "official" show was "This is
Your FBI."

Case closed.

Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
[removed]

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:27:38 -0400
From: "Henry R. Hinkel" <hinkel@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Classical Theme Songs

Thanks to all who answered my inquiry both privately and here on the Digest
for the question on Classical Theme Songs.

For those of you who may be interested, go to Lou Genco's webpage at
[removed]   where there is a list of 84 theme songs from
various OTR shows including 19 that were classical.

Thanks again to all who responded to my inquiry.

Hank Hinkel

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:29:16 -0400
From: "Jim Cox" <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Classical Music Themes

B. Ray writes:

I don't remember the particular soap opera, but one of them adapted the main
theme from the last movement of Sibelius' 2nd symphony, and I think I
remember the 2nd movement of the Brahms double concerto used as a theme.

Could he be thinking of the first movement of Tchaikovsky's Sixth Symphony,
"Pathetique" by Breil, which for more than 21 years (1937-1959) introduced
the Road of Life each day, and sometimes twice daily on competing networks?
It even had a six-month run on CBS-TV from late 1954 to mid 1955.  That
familiar ditty was more commonly recalled by the housewives as "music for
the Duz program," historians attest, and during much of the run was played
by organist Charles Paul.

Brahms' "Lullaby," meanwhile, accompanied Hilltop House on and off the ether
on a xylophone during its heyday.  The serial aired in a trio of segments --
1937-1941, 1948-1955, 1956-1957.  Other Brahms music could have been
utilized elsewhere, of course, and if so I simply don't recall it.

Jim Cox
otrbuff@[removed] (new address)

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:30:29 -0400
From: "karl tiedemann" <karltiedemann@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ur-War of the Worlds

This item has been banked by the BBC for quite a while so someone may
already have introduced it here, but it's really too good to risk people
missing [removed]  Head on over to:
[removed]
and listen to this absolutely fascinating-- and funny-- program about a
forgotten precursor to the Welles Martian broadcast.  THE RIOT THAT NEVER
WAS tells the story of the extraordinary effects of a spoof newscast put out
by the eminent priest/theologian/detective story writer/wit and prankster
Msgr. Ronald A. Knox.  In 1926!  It's pretty amazing.

Suggestion:  Listen to the "reconstruction" before clicking on the program
(or should I say programme?) proper.

                                  Karl Tiedemann

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 20:30:38 -0400
From: Conrad Binyon <conradab@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR Actor Bouchey

<[removed]@[removed]; wondered about
Willis Bouchey:

Look for yourself.  A much younger Bill Bouchey

[removed]

CAB

---
conradab@[removed] (Conrad A. Binyon)
Encino, CA
Home of the Stars who loved Ranches and Farms

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:02:25 -0400
From: "Lois Culver" <loiseula@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bill Bouchey
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      Bill Bouchey (later Willis) was a friend of ours.  He did radio in
Hollywood, then moved to New York where he was in radio.  He married there
and they moved back to Hollywood, where later he directed - mostly for AFRS

      Lois Culver
      Mrs. Howard Culver

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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 23:02:41 -0400
From: Danica Stein <danicas@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR catchphrases

Haven't posted in a while, but this thread suddenly made me realize
something. Whenever the phone rings in our house, I yell "hello!" Then,
my partner James says:

"Go to the PHONE and answer it!"

--Danica

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