Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #280
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 8/28/2001 5:31 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2001 : Issue 280
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Comments                              [ William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed]; ]
  Re: My Favorite Husband- Bea Benader  [ GOpp@[removed] ]
  The Goon Show.                        [ Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@telu ]
  Tabernacle Choir [removed]              [ "Robert Paine" <macandrew@[removed] ]
  Re: J. C. Deagan and his Chimes       [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Sandy Singer & random OTR thoughts    [ "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed]; ]
  Re: Beverly Sills                     [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
  NBC Chimes                            [ "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed]; ]
  Follow the Yellow Bricks              [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  C'mon In!                             [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  RE:Clark Super 100-Keeping the list   [ "Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed]; ]
  Johnnies Theme and other ramblings    [ Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed]; ]
  Re: Grand Canyon Suite                [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
  Demographics Survey                   [ KENPILETIC@[removed] ]
  JOHNNY OF PHILIP MORRIS               [ PURKASZ@[removed] ]
  Phil Harris?                          [ danhughes@[removed] ]
  Abbott and Costello                   [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
  Re: White Oleo                        [ Cnorth6311@[removed] ]
  Si and Elmer                          [ "Jerry" <xfyles@[removed]; ]

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:24:28 -0400
From: William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Comments

I enjoyed the comments about Phillip Morris and Johnny Roventini. I was
the CBS engineer on Phillip Morris Playhouse for several years. Johnny
and his brother, Frank, (who drove Johnny to the studio), became good
friends. By the way, Johnny was an avid yachtsman skippering a 45 foot
cruiser. Although the show had a regular basic cast, we had noted
performers as guest artists each week. Charlie Martin was the director.
He was a bit eccentric, but a good friend. He had formerly been a writer
on "March of Time". College student, Robert Culp, became a regular when
he won an acting contest sponsored by the show. When Alice Frost would be
in the cast we would always have lunch together, which would annoy the
other actors who were very "clanish". (her brother was a friend of mine).
My days with "Phillip Morris Playhouse" bring back happy memories.

Another comment. The NBC chimes had nothing to do with General Electric.
They came into the picture many years later. NBC, both Red and Blue, was
formed by [removed];T, then in the early days was sold to RCA, headed up by
David Sarnoff. General Electric came into the picture at a much later
date. (David was noted for having a lousy personality. However, his son
Bob, who took over, was a charmer. We had a long and pleasant chat one
evening when he was a dinner guest at a home where I was working on a
"Person to Person").

As my friend, Lowell Thomas would say, "So long until tomorrow". By the
way, I just heard from Jay, and I hope that I will be seeing all of you
at FOTR in Newark this fall.

Bill Murtough

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 16:30:50 -0400
From: GOpp@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re:  My Favorite Husband- Bea Benaderet

One of the classic radio series that Miss Benaderet costarred on was My
Favorite Husband, which starred Lucile Ball and Richard Denning. She played
Liz Cooper's (Lucy's) best friend and coconspirator Iris Atterbury. Gale
Gordon
played her husband and George's boss, Rudolph Atterbury. She first appeared
in the program on the episode entitled "Old Jokes And Stories" on March
[removed] in the first season and last till the end of the show, March [removed]

While the 3/25/49 episode entitled "Old Jokes and Old Stories" was Bea's
first appearance on "My Favorite Husband" as Iris Atterbury, she was a
frequent guest long before that, in various roles (including an
appearance on 3/4/49 as George's mother-in-law before Eleanor Audley was
cast in that part). Bea's first appearance on "My Favorite Husband" was
on the first episode my father ever wrote for Lucy - "Young Matron's
League Tryouts" - broadcast on October 2, 1948 - in which Bea played
"Mrs. Wirthingill" the drama coach: [Woman (commenting on Mrs.
Wirthingill): "She could have had a great career as an actress. Doesn't
she remind you of Cornell?" Liz: "She reminds me more of Notre Dame!"]

I've posted a fairly complete "My Favorite Husband" episode guide, with
cast listings, at

[removed]

It's interesting to imagine what "I Love Lucy" would have been like with
Lucy's first choices for the Mertzes -- Bea Benaderet and Gale Gordon.
In the TV episode "Lucy Changes Her Mind" (based on the "My Favorite
Husband" episode "Liz Changes Her Mind") the restaurant scene is taken
almost word for word from the radio version. Dad even hired Frank Nelson
to reprise his radio role as the waiter. The only difference is that Desi
Arnaz replaces Richard Denning, William Frawley replaces Gale Gordon, and
Vivian Vance replaces Bea Benaderet. I included both versions of the
scene back to back on the audio CD that comes with my book, "Laughs,
[removed] Lucy." Both versions are funny, but in this scene I think
Gordon and Benaderet did a better job than Frawley and Vance.

- Gregg Oppenheimer
[removed]

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:36:47 -0400
From: Elmer Standish <elmer_standish@[removed];
To: Old Time Radio Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  The Goon Show.

[removed]~[removed]
------------------------------------------------------
Here is a site which puts up down loadable episodes of The Goon Show
and has many links as well. No too Much available at one time.

ENJOY ===> ELMER

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 17:37:48 -0400
From: "Robert Paine" <macandrew@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Tabernacle Choir [removed]

I contacted the Choir office just now. This coming Sunday, Sept. 2, will be
the choir's 3,759th performance. The program began over NBC (not sure Red,
Blue or both) in 1929. The first announcer was, I believe, Ted Kimball who,
to reach the microphone, stood atop a ladder high above the choir. KSL had
only one mic and broadcasting was stopped until it was hooked up in the
Tabernacle.

Communication with the network was via telegraph. Several persons were
between the control room and choir loft and a series of hand signals
transmitted cues. Ted Kimball left after the first few programs to serve a
mission for the church and Richard L. Evans was assigned as announcer. He
held the position until his death in 1971. There's the story that he did his
part even when on vacation, announcing from the station nearest him while
the choir performed from the Tabernacle. He was succeeded by J. Spencer
Kinard, who was in turn succeeded by present announcer Lloyd Newell. The
information came from the Tabernacle Choir office and from a book on the
history of the Choir.

A general question for the [removed] anyone have plots/story lines from
the soap The Brighter Day. It began on NBC radio in 1948 and I think moved
to CBS, where it was simulcast for two years before the radio version ended
in 1956. I've been able to get a general idea of the story from several
books but no clear idea of how the program progressed.

 Macandrew

"On the whole, I'd rather be in Great Yarmouth, although the Poconos will do
nicely."

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:06:30 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: J. C. Deagan and his Chimes

Sandy Singer wrote:

Did the J C Deagan company make their famous dinner chimes before or
after the notes G E C were selected by NBC?

John Calhoun Deagan began working with bells and chimes in the 1880s, and
manufactured his first dinner chime in 1910. By that time, the J. C.
Deagan Company had become the preeminent company in the field -- in
additon to dinner chimes, the company made a full line of orchestra
bells, organ chimes, xylophones, vibraphones, marimbas, and clock-tower
and carillon chimes. Among other distinctions, Deagan was the sole
manufacturer of the precision 440-A tone bar adopted in 1917 as the
official tuning standard of the American Federation of Musicians.

Judging from available evidence, NBC appears to have used at least two
different models of Deagan "plate" chimes -- the model 410, which
featured four "japanned bronze" bars mounted on a wooden sounding box,
and the model 500, which came equipped with five bars. In both cases, the
bars were of equal length for each note, with the pitch varied by the
size of the hole in the sounding box. Both of these models were widely
sold by department stores and music shops in the 1920s, so it was a
simple matter for the network to purchase them off-the-shelf. It's
probable that the chime sets first used on air in 1929 carried
last-patent dates of 1926 on the rear labels.

Deagan also made so-called "railroad" chimes, which mounted the note bars
on hollow metal sounding tubes of varying length. These were *not* used
by NBC, but did apparently show up at some non-NBC stations, where
different patterns of chimes were used as local identifiers. The cheap
bronze-colored novelty chimes distributed by NBC in the late thirties
were patterned after these "railroad" chimes, and not after the models
actually used on air, probably because they were less expensive to make.

NBC affiliates were issued their own sets of chimes, and numerous
recordings exist to document that these hand-struck Deagan units remained
in use at the local level long after they were replaced at the network
level by the electromechanical chime system. It was common,  once the
G-E-C pattern was standardized, for these chime sets to be modified  for
easier on-air handling -- the note bars would be removed by cutting the
heavy cord which held them in place on the box, the extraneous bars
discarded, and the G-E-C bars restrung on the box in the standardized
sequence. A photo appears on page 52 of the 5/17/40 issue of "Movie Radio
Guide" showing NBC staff announcer Ben Grauer posing before an RCA 4-A-P
microphone and holding a Deagan Model 500 chime set that has been so
modified.

NBC lore has always claimed that the first chimes were purchased at a
department store for $[removed] However, contemporary advertising indicates
that the retail price for Deagan dinner chimes in the late twenties ran
around $8 to $12 depending on the specific model, so if this price is
accurate, it probably referred to the purchase of multiple sets.

Elizabeth

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:10:06 -0400
From: "jstokes" <jstokes@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Sandy Singer & random OTR thoughts

Howdy Folks!   You see a posting from time to time from Sandy Singer.   He's
a gentleman in the biz, who knows what he's talking about.
    Mr. Singer has a legacy of being a top DJ in the Mpls/St Paul radio
market.   He proceeded me at the "then" WLOL by how many years, Sandy?
Sandy has worked in major radio markets and runs an outstanding Sinatra
show, for which I'm happy he sent me an air check along with other
"memorabilia."  :)
    Be sure to tune Sandy in now, buckeroos!
- -------------------------------------------------------------
    Here's a tale from a small market station in South Dakota I worked for
years ago.   The newscaster this particular day was the station manager.
The news had a rather long and involved story about a certain American
Indian tribal chief.   His name was Moses Two Bulls.
    Yep, you guessed the snafu.   Replace "a" with "u" in "Bulls," and you
have an uproarious laughfest going on in the control room, where two other
kibitzers besides me, the board operator, were standing around.   The poor
newscaster had no place to go.   We had no actualities.   And it was in the
middle of a 15-minute newscast.   Remember 15-minute newscasts?   Yipes.
    Well, we bailed him.   One of the kibitzers, in true save-the-show
ethics ripped off some wire copy and went into another announce room, where
snafu #2 took place.
    Seems the chief engineer had taken the lights out and not replaced them.
He left a small note on the door, but no-one paid any attention to the
advisory.   So now, we cued the fill-in newscaster, and he burst into
guffaws because he couldn't see the copy very well.
    Kibitzer #2 flung open that studio door, adding some light to the
darkened room, and also letting any outside noise flow into the room.   Sure
enough, the station manager, now emerged from the news studio, said some
very expressive words not far from the open announce room door.
    Thus, the newscast stopped short of the usual 15 minutes.   And I was
left to laugh my way through the weather forecast.   When we were back to
music, the program director called.   "What the he*l is so da*ned funny?
Do you value your job?"
    To which I replied, "I think you better talk to (station manger's name
here).   He's right here."  For those of you not in the biz,  the station
manager outranks the program director, unless the PD has stock in the
company or is one of those grey powers behind the throne.   But here, the
manager was the boss, above the PD.   That is --
    Well, there's an old army expression that "sh*t flows downhill."   This
was a rare instance where it flowed UPhill!     The manager sort of hid
himself away for about a week.   And the PD, well we were all really nice to
him!

Much more OTR, as I lived it, next time.

Jim Stokes

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:12:13 -0400
From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Beverly Sills

Russ Butler wrote:
Before Beverly Sills became an opera diva, she began her performing >career
singing the Rinso "White"  (..."happy little
washday song!") jingle on the [removed]

And that reminds [removed] for our November meeting, one of the members of the
Metro Washington OTR Club is preparing a program of theatrical short
subjects that deal with radio.  I mentioned to him that I'd seen a short,
produced by Educational Pictures, that mainly depicts a (fictional)
broadcast in which a young - possibly pre-teen - Beverly Sills sings an
aria.  I forget WHERE I saw it (it *might* have been that old PBS series
MATINEE AT THE BIJOU), but I can't find it on video.  Researching the 'net
has yielded only the title: "Uncle Sol Solves It" (1938).

Does anybody have this short on a video that can be dubbed to VHS?  I'll pay
for the tape, time and shipping, or if preferred, I can trade - I have some
early "Dragnet" eps that are NOT out on home video (taped off British TV in
the mid-1980's), including the one where Frank Smith gets shot.

Michael J. Hayde

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:08:08 -0400
From: "Ed Ellers" <ed_ellers@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  NBC Chimes

Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed]; wrote:

At the time of the formation of NBC, General Electric was not the only
investor in the network, it was owned by RCA (50%), General Electric (30%)
and Westinghouse (20%).

Wasn't RCA itself owned 60-40 by GE and Westinghouse -- meaning that GE
really had 60% of NBC?

Until something surfaces from some NBC file to prove otherwise I tend to
think it that the choosing of the notes G-E-C and the initials of General
Electric was just coincidence. This is all discussed in the article.

Another thing that tends to disprove the General Electric theory is that the
company was (and still is) abbreviated GE, and *never* GEC (which were until
recently the initials of the totally unrelated General Electric Company plc
in Britain).

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:12:46 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Follow the Yellow Bricks

Frank Kendall, recalling oleomargarine, notes,

I remember the white oleo coming in a bag that had a "button" of yellow
food coloring embeded in the bag.  You squeezed the "button" until it
broke and then kneaded the bag until the oleo was yellow.

Ah.  I remember that.  But that was a johnny-come-lately addition.
Originally, it was margarine, powdered coloring, a bowl, and a fork.
What a pain!  But usually more than one of us did the mixing, because it
was kind of fun to see the stuff change from looking like lard to looking
like butter.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:13:44 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  C'mon In!

Without going back over the previous thread, Elizabeth McLeod said
something that I think deserves to be discussed as a _new_ thread.  She
noted,

I think most people will agree there is room for both "casual
nostalgia" and "serious research" in the OTR world -- after all, when the
Nostalgic Fan comes around asking for specific information on the
background or broadcast history of a particular program or personality,
it's up to the Serious Researcher to root it out.

But there's an interesting synergy between both types.  Outside of my
Captain Midnight specialty, I fall mostly into the Nostalgic Fan
category.  I can remember specific shows, or even bits within specific
shows (such as an Our Miss Brooks episode where she'd hastily hidden a
frog in Mr. Conklin's desk), but ask me the cast, broadcast date,
network, or even day of week when it aired, and I'd usually draw a blank.
 Memory's faulty (as an example, recently, I estimated getting a small
3-speed radiophonograph a year before I actually got it), and the
nostalgist -- particularly one who's old enough to have heard the shows
when first broadcast -- isn't a reliable source that way.  However, the
nostalgist who lived through the era can provide insight that can prove
useful for the Serious Recearcher.  By recalling specific shows, or show
themes, the nostalgist might provide clues that help the researcher in
his or her investigations.   For instance, if someone is investigating
the use of cryptological devices as OTR premiums, someone who may
remember hearing a secret message being broadcast on a Red Ryder show
might broaden the scope of investigation (as far as I know, the shows
with such items were the Ovaltine-sponsored Orphan Annie and Captain
Midnight, Tom Mix, Red Ryder, and Bobby Benson -- as well as the
"decoder" cipher slide in the Dick Tracy detective kit, but there could
be more).

There's room for everyone.  Because I know that memory is imperfect,
unless I know for sure, i try to include "if memory serves," or "as I
recall," in any statement I make about an OTR show.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:14:40 -0400
From: "Tim Lones" <tallones@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  RE:Clark Super 100-Keeping the list fun

Clark Retail Gasoline Stations, (Which like most Gas Stations, are also
covenience stores)..are still very much around, Primarily in the [removed]
fact my wife Linda works at the store in Massillon, [removed], would like
to second the comments about maintining a civil atmosphere on the [removed]
have been on other lists.(different topics) and have vound this list to be
extremely informative and pleasant to read each [removed] keep it that [removed]

Regards to all,
Tim Lones
East Sparta, Ohio

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:18:06 -0400
From: Bill Harris <radioguy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Johnnies Theme and other ramblings

"Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; posted:

<This is for Bill Harris, who asked what the theme was behind Johnnie's
 Introductions: >

 It was from Ferde Grofet's "Grand Canyon Suite"  I have had an LP of that
 Suite for over 30 years, and the part that was used for Johnnie was a
 segment called "On The Trail."  Hope this helps.

Correct you are Owens, and the "On The Trail" piece was composed in the
summer of 1931.

And Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed]; commented about the War of The
Worlds disks:

Are there any details available about the provenance of these discs ---
were they actually authenticated by anyone with a background in vintage
transcriptions?

I don't have any details as to the heritage of these disks, I wish I knew.  I
can't imagine them being worth $14K no matter where they came from. Re: your
question about authentication--I doubt it There were a lot of bidders at this
auction with deep pockets that were willing to pay over inflated prices for
items just because it came from the Muchow estate. I did not attend but a
friend of mine who did said he felt like he was the only person in the room
that wasn't a registered millionaire. The radio set that Admiral Byrd took
with him on his expedition to the North Pole sold for $33,500 to an
organization planning to take it on a trip that recreates his voyage.

And Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; asks:

Did the J C Deagan company make their famous dinner chimes before or
after the notes G E C were selected by NBC?

The J. C. Deagan company was making those chimes long before NBC or even
radio. They were around in the 1800's.

Also Jer51473@[removed] says:

also cant remember the name of phillip morris theme, but it was classical
and reminded me of a camel loping in the dessert.

It should make you think of mules or little donkeys trodding down the trail
in the Grand Canyon. If you listen to the entire piece you hear the slow
plop-plop of the pack animals plodding along, but at the end of the piece the
plop-ploping gets much faster. A mule or donkey can be frustratingly slow to
move along until you turn him around to head back for home, then he will run
to get back to the feedbag. The music illustrates this.

Then Jon Martin says:

I do have a question  - what is the average age of the people who are on
the list?

Well lets see, if I divide my age by the number of years I have lived, my
average age is 1.
OK, I know, I know. I won't do it again.

Bill Harris

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:18:22 -0400
From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Grand Canyon Suite

Boy, is my face red.

Charlie Northway

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:18:30 -0400
From: KENPILETIC@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Demographics Survey

Hi Gang -               August 28, 2001 - Tuesday - 5 PM cdt

In issue 277, Jon Martin asked the following:

  question  -
  what is the average age of the people who are on the list?

In subsequent issues, several people have volunteered
demographic information about themselves.  I hope someone
will be keeping track and that there will be enough input to take
a valid average.   I also hope someone (Jon?) will post the
results of this informal poll.  I'm curious, too.

I'm 64.  That makes me old enough to have heard many of the
programs on the actual broadcasts.  I was also wise enough to
have my tape recorder running (after 1948).  Unfortunately, I was
also foolish enough to have erased many of those recordings.

Happy Taping -- Ken Piletic -- Streamwood, Illinois
kenpiletic@[removed]

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:19:46 -0400
From: PURKASZ@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  JOHNNY OF PHILIP MORRIS

    Along with the anticipatory delight of the magnificent lunch I was going
to be having in the Polo Lounge and the refreshing swim in the pool once used
by Esther Williams for practice, the other main delight of an afternoon at
the Beverly Hills Hotel was seeing Johnny!
    Yes folks, the original Johnny, still wearing the same uniform on his
diminutive frame, could be seen there at his original job, up until a few
years ago anyway!
    I used to make it a point to have a conversation with him just to hear
that voice and imagine all the radio shows from my youth ringing true to my
memory.
    I was smoking Winston at the time (no more) and we used to joke that it
was getting harder and harder to find the old smokes!
    One had to go to the small cigar store by the side of the
Beverly-Wilshire Hotel to find the small room that served as a humidor and in
which you could sit in a small chair and look at a series of names on the
drawers lining the walls.
    You know the names.
    The cigar smokers of Hollywood, Groucho Marx, Edward G. Robinson, etc. I
believe I even saw a small drawer that had the inscription, Winston Churchill
on it!
    I won't swear to it. It was heady atmosphere.
                        Gwynne

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:20:40 -0400
From: danhughes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Phil Harris?

Stephen Kallis sez:

Regrettably, relatively few people know who Phil Harris was.

My daughter wrote Phil Harris a letter shortly before he died, asking him
about his radio days and the Jack Benny show.  She received back from him
an autographed photo that broke her heart (she was maybe 11 at the time).
 Because half the photo was a head shot of Phil, and the other half was a
drawing of Baloo the Bear from Disney's Jungle Book movie.  And the
signature was "Hi from 'Baloo' Phil Harris."

So a lot of baby boomers know him as a cartoon character, and don't have
a clue that he was a huge name in radio.

---Dan

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:21:28 -0400
From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Abbott and Costello

As a fan of The Abbott and Costello show, I can tell you that during this
time period, the boys were in dire straits.  Adults were tiring of their
routines, which Lou refused to change, and they were constantly
bickering.

Even if they had rehearsed, what you heard probably wasn't too far from
what they would've done.  Lou was known for constant ad-libbing and it
was sometimes too much for Bud to handle.

It wasn't until the release of Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein in
1948, that they achieved a really *big* hit again, and the strength of
that one film helped the comfortably coast to an end in 1957.

Rodney Bowcock
Self Help 20" Promotions
BMX-Bar-B-Q 2001 September 22nd
Lebanon, Ohio

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:22:03 -0400
From: Cnorth6311@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: White Oleo

A rose by any other name would be the same. I agree with Stephen. As a kid I
knew I had finally reached the age where my services in the house were
required when it became my job to color the oleo. I also spread some of the
white stuff on my toast, and to my knowledge it tasted exactly like the
yellow stuff. I remember someone calling it lard. Not so. Big difference.
Lard comes from an animal source, pig fat to be exact. Oleo is a vegetable
source if I am not mistaken. Vegetable oil and milk if I am not mistaken.
Today's margarine is made of vegetable oil and water, and precious little
milk or dairy products. All of this brings up a very good point. Is there a
difference between oleo and margarine? I know I have heard it called oleo
margarine before, but is that correct?

Charlie Northway

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:22:14 -0400
From: "Jerry" <xfyles@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Si and Elmer

Hi all,

I've been fortunate to acquire a few episodes of Si and Elmer. I didn't find
them listed in Dunnings book and wondered if anyone here can give me the
story behind this show. Damn there funny! :)

TIA,.
Jerry

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