Subject: [removed] Digest V2001 #256
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 8/8/2001 7:49 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2001 : Issue 256
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Old Time - Stereo????                 [ "Tom Barnett" <barnettl@[removed] ]
  Schaub-Lorenz Radio                   [ "Tom Barnett" <barnettl@[removed] ]
  WJZ                                   [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]
  Jim Snyder and NARA News              [ BRC Productions <platecap@brcradio. ]
  A&A 1932 Episode Summaries Now on Li  [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  MEREDITH MACRAE                       [ "Frosty R. Povick" <Frosty@prodigy. ]
  Imagination Theater                   [ John Francis MacEachern <johnfmac@m ]
  Reality, Transmitters and ?           [ "Robert Paine" <macandrew@[removed] ]
  KMOX                                  [ "Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@charter- ]
  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ lois@[removed] ]
  Meredith MacRae / Archie Rothman      [ Tom Kleinschmidt <otr1962@[removed] ]
  Then and There                        [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Koss CDP-3000 CD--update              [ danhughes@[removed] ]
  Station Security: The Gleiwitz Incid  [ Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed]; ]
  RHAC                                  [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
  Lux Radio Theater                     [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
  Who's Alive & Who's Dead              [ Kubelski@[removed] ]
  Pinkerton                             [ "schickedanz" <schickedanz@[removed]; ]
  Tokyo Rose                            [ Jack A French <otrpiano@[removed]; ]
  Water Damaged Tapes                   [ ktrek@[removed] ]
  Re: KMOX and a question               [ Arthur Smith <agsmith_stl@[removed] ]
  The persistence of stagnation         [ neil crowley <og@[removed]; ]

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:30:10 -0400
From: "Tom Barnett" <barnettl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Old Time - Stereo????

[Forgive me if this has been covered before.]

But I remember my Great Grandfather telling me of days when (at the
beginning of Television) radio was used to add dimension to television
sound.

The stereo effect was achieved by broadcasting one channel as part of the
television feed - and the second channel was sent out over radio. If you sat
your radio set near the TV you could here the (then) truly amazing sound
spectrum and separation (as much  as possible with the low fidelity
speakers)

My question is two-fold:

a) is this true (or was Pappy fibbing again)?

and

b) Would a broadcast station turn over their airwaves to be a symmetrical
leg to television?

Maybe part time (evenings?) but I don't think a station would broadcast in
this manner all day long, would they?

Type to you,

Tom Barnett  MCP, HCP, HCI
barnettl@[removed]
\[removed]~barnettl

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:40:43 -0400
From: "Tom Barnett" <barnettl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Schaub-Lorenz Radio

My Grandfather (77 yo) gave me his beloved radio the other day. He always
enjoyed listening to this radio AND IT STILL WORKS FINE! A little static on
the volume dial but other than its all right.

This radio is a large table top unit called the "Schaub-Lorenz" Radio. The
instruction manual (carefully preserved in an envelope taped to the back of
the radio with a single repair slip from the late 1950s or early 1960s) is
half in German and English.

My question to the group of esteemed classic radio devotees in this forum.
Do I have something that was in use during the BIG era of classic radio. Or
is this unit from the late 1950s (after that nasty TV entered the scene)

I don't know much about this radio and my Grandfather can't remember any
longer. Any help would be appreciated.


Tom Barnett  MCP, HCP, HCI
barnettl@[removed]

\[removed]~barnettl

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:44:08 -0400
From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  WJZ

   Catching up with a week's worth of OTR Digests, I find a couple of
references to station WJZ in New York City. Those call letters received an
immortality of sorts by being mentioned in the song "Jumpin' with Symphony
Sid," a paean to the disc jockey who broadcast jazz over WJZ. The song urges
Sid to "make everything go real crazy over 'JZ" and that he did. Sid used the
King Pleasure recording of that song as his theme even when he moved to
Boston and broadcast over WBMS. I can't remember for sure but he may even
have used it on his rhythm 'n' blues show as well as his jazz program in the
Hub.

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:44:27 -0400
From: BRC Productions <platecap@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jim Snyder and NARA News

Hi [removed]

I wanted to add my thanks for the work of Jim Snyder and the other NARA
officers who made it happen.  Jim invited me on as columnist when he first
became editor.  Having been a long time friend and fan of his columns going
back 25 years -- I was both honored and compelled to become a
[removed] considered him the Paul Harvey of OTR writers: A real class
guy.  And when Jim invited you to write a column, you do it!  Yes, Jim
received his Allen Rockford Award primarily for his columns alone.

I always said both publicly and privately, the cost of yearly membership
alone was worth it just to get NARA News.

Through my NARA columns and resulting feedback, my interest in OTR was
maintained.  He still has a few of my columns in reserve, and if the
publication continues, I guess they will appear.  But the real reason they
showed up in NARA News is because of Jim's encouragement.

My columns including the unpublished ones will continue to be available on
[removed]

If I have written anything anyone was interested in and/or entertained by,
at least I was partially successful.  Perhaps it's the end of an era, and
hopefully the start of a new one.

Thanks again, Mr. Snyder.

Bob Burnham
--
BRC PRODUCTIONS, [removed] BOX 158, DEARBORN HEIGHTS, MI 48127-0158

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:44:32 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  A&A 1932 Episode Summaries Now on Line

"Amos 'n' Andy" enthusiasts will now find complete plot summaries for
episodes aired during 1932 at the "A&A -The First Decade" section of my
"Amos 'n' Andy In Person" website.

While the A&A craze was cooling off during 1932, there were a number of
interesting storylines, including the recently-discussed Baby Lula May
sequence, Lightning's wedding to Dixie Davis, the opening of the Okey
Hotel, Andy's dabbling in athletic careers as a professional wrestler, a
track-and-field  performer, and a semipro football player, the resolution
of Madam Queen's questionable marital status, and the Clifton Mills
Affair -- in which Amos is asked by Mr. Taylor to break off his
relationship with Ruby in favor of a more successful and polished suitor.

Summaries for 1933 are in the course of preparation, and will probably be
ready for posting sometime in November.

The URL for the plot summaries remains
[removed]~[removed].

Elizabeth

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Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:25:52 -0400
From: "Frosty R. Povick" <Frosty@[removed];
To: OTR Rountable <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  MEREDITH MACRAE

Don Dean wrote:

"Also appearing on that same show was Meredith Macrae (wife of
Gordon Macrae)..."

Actually Meredith was the name of his daughter.  Trying to
remember his wife's name.  Wasn't it Sheila?

frosty

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:29:55 -0400
From: John Francis MacEachern <johnfmac@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Imagination Theater

Hi!

I've been unable to access the web site for Imagination
Theater for a while now.  Does anyone know what the problem
is?

Thanks!

John Mac

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:30:16 -0400
From: "Robert Paine" <macandrew@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Reality, Transmitters and ?

Re: Michael Biel's experience being booed when he pointed out truths that
many wished not to have spoken, being right often means being unpopular.
However, it takes more courage to stand for what is right than to court
popularity. I compliment Prof. Biel for having the intestinal fortitude to
choose the former.

Re: [removed] the spring of 1987 I had two opportunities to visit
WKAT-AM, then located in Miami Beach. The station had been on the air since
1937, was still in its original building and had its original transmitter on
display near Master Control. (The studio area had been renovated but still
gave the feel of the 30's and 40's. More on this another time, perhaps.)

The unit was in open metal racks behind a roughly six or seven foot window.
It was still in working condition, still wired up and still used as the
standby transmitter.

BTW, the then GM's or PD's office had a beautiful mural that depicted
important dates in WKAT history. I don't know what became of it when they
moved to North Miami, but this had to be seen to be believed. I took two
rolls of film, but didn't know until I returned to Maryland and had it
processed that somewhere something went amiss. Not one shot developed.

 Macandrew

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:36:24 -0400
From: "Harold Zeigler" <hzeigler@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  KMOX

	Hi Anybody,
     On the subject on OTR on KMOX  today is I think they run (at 2:00 [removed])
"When Radio Was" which I don't think is to good to listen to the way the
shows are cut up and shortened to fit the half hour but that's ' NEW OTR' I
guess.
    That was good news on Jack Carney being put in the Radio Hall Of Fame. Is
that the one in Chicago? And when did it happen?
   Jack's son John Carney is with KMOX now on around 10:00 [removed] nightly.
John's kind of radio program is for the younger(20's to 40's) listeners. Too
bad,but he's good for his age group>
				Till Next Time,Harold

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:33:19 -0400
From: lois@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

A weekly [removed]

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Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
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Our numerous "regulars" include one of the busiest "golden years" actors in
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KWLK Longview Washington (Mutual) 1941-1944)
KFI Los Angeles (NBC) 1944 - 1950
and widow of actor Howard Culver

(For more info, contact lois@[removed])

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:34:28 -0400
From: Tom Kleinschmidt <otr1962@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Meredith MacRae / Archie Rothman

	Iím sure others will correct Don Dean, but Meredith
MacRae was Gordonís daughter, not his wife. His wifeís
name was Sheila.

	This talk about Long John Nebel introducing some
people to OTR reminded me of Archie Rothman. Anyone
know whatever became of him? Archie did a show on WMMS
in Cleveland in the mid to late 1970ís called Archie
Rothmanís Time Machine. On the show he did a little of
everything. Mostly he replayed older stuff, but he
also did some interviews with rock performers,
possibly because of the radio station in question.  I
remember hearing The National Lampoon Radio Hour,
Firesign Theatre, and Jack Benny among others on this
show.  A few years ago at FOTR in Newark I picked up
an old reel tape with a show called SOUNDS OF THE PAST
from WRFM, NY in 1967 that was hosted by Archie
Rothman so I guess he moved around like all DJís.  The
show on the reel was a Halloween show with a
rebroadcast of War Of The Worlds and Sorry, Wrong
Number along with an interview of the infamous David
Goldin. Just wondering if anyone else used to listen
to his shows.

Tom

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:34:41 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Then and There

Speaking of fake "historical" recordings, Michael Biel notes,

BUT--since we are discussing this on an OTR forum, let us not let OTR
off the hook.  Remember "The March of Time" and "CBS/You Are There"?

Well, I think that "You Are There" was a special case.  The show started
with, "CBS asks you to imagine that our microphone is present at this
unforgettable moment.  All things are as they were then, except, when CBS
is there, YOU are there!"  Now I doubt many people think that there were
really microphones at Gettysburg, Valley Forge, and the like.  I know
when I heard it as a kid, I didn't think those were actual recordings (in
that respect, The Lone Ranger was more credible as a "sounds from the
past" than You Are There).

Of course, if someone tuned in late because they were seeing what else
was on if they were listening to another program where a vocalist like
Nelson Eddy was about to sing. ... :-)

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:45:40 -0400
From: danhughes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Koss CDP-3000 CD--update

Sunday I posted a glowing review of the Koss CDP-3000, on sale this week
at Target for $[removed]  I recommended it after I bought it and it worked
fine with the first MP3 CD I tried (a Vic and Sade CD with 149 programs
on it).

I have since received several emails from readers who bought the player
on my recommendation, and it did not work with their MP3 CDs.

I then tried several other CDs in my player, and the results were spotty.
 It played some but would not work with others.  And on many, it would
play some but not all cuts.

I apologize for writing an enthusiastic review without fully testing the
unit on a variety of CDs.  After my new tests I would have to say that I
cannot recommend this machine after all.  Apologies to all who bought it
on my recommendation.  I really thought I had something there.

At least Target takes returns without a hassle (as long as you have your
receipt!)

And the search continues for an MP3 CD player that can handle our OTR
CDs.

---Dan

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:03:21 -0400
From: Tom van der Voort <evan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Station Security: The Gleiwitz Incident

      Recent posting on wartime security at radio stations reminded me of
the fact that the Germans trumped up a Polish raid on a radio station as
one pretext for the invasion of Poland.
      Contemporary accounts of the "raid" on the radio station at
Gleiwitz  exist on English language transmissions by German and Italian
shortwave services as well as a BBC newscast--all from August 31, 1939.
      Finally the East German director, Gerhard Klein, made a film titled
'The Gleiwitz Case' ('Der Fall Gleiwitz') which reconstructs the
pseudo-raid.  Though rarely seen, it was made in 1961 and exists with
English subtitles.
Tom van der Voort
[removed]  Thanks to all who gave advice on water-damaged tapes.

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:03:19 -0400
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  RHAC

I was fortunate to have very good service from the NARA library.  I consider
them in having one of the top three club lending library for nation wide
use.  I agree that SPERDVAC is up there, but I would like to mention RHAC,
which has a grate library, and very good service.  I hope any of the old
time radio clubs out there consider giving there collection to another club
rather than donating it to a college, if they ever need to close down the
club.  NARA

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 13:03:17 -0400
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Lux Radio Theater

Does any one have good source in trying to buy the hard to find Lux Radio
Theater shows.  I think I need around 200 shows to complete my collection.
You can email me off list.  Take care,

walden

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:52:52 -0400
From: Kubelski@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Who's Alive & Who's Dead

This is mildy off-topic, but there is a classic passage in Dan Jenkins' book
"Life, It's Ownself," which was a sequel to the more widely known football
comedy novel "Semi-Tough," in which decidedly un-pc oilman Big Ed Bookman is
trying to figure out if Lucille Ball was still alive or not.

He wanted to know "why there isn't a paper that let's you know who's still
alive?" he asked.

Funny that some twenty years later, it came true.

At the time, Ms. Ball was still alive.

Sean Dougherty
Kubelski@[removed]

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:33:44 -0400
From: "schickedanz" <schickedanz@[removed];
To: "Old-Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Pinkerton

Hi, all.

As a tangent to Stephen Kallis's reply about history in OTR shows and
detective Alan Pinkerton in particular, I've listened to a Cavalcade of
America show called "The Pinkerton Man."  Starring Lee Bowman, it aired Nov.
18, 1946.

Norm Schickedanz
Elmhurst, IL

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:33:42 -0400
From: Jack A French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Tokyo Rose

 For those of you who are interested in WW II radio propagandists, there is
a web site devoted to Iva Toguri, aka "Tokyo Rose" or "Orphan Annie".
Recently this site added on-line discusion on a BBS.

If you want to learn more, go to:

[removed]



Jack French

Editor: RADIO RECALL

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:33:40 -0400
From: ktrek@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Water Damaged Tapes

I talked to the Chemical Hygienist where I work about
damaged tapes. He said that he cannot see any reason why
there would be any damage to the tapes if they were
dried out properly. It is more likely the mechanical
parts would fail (from rust etc.) before the tape is
unlistenable. The only problem he could see is if the
water was too hard and left residue on the tapes. Hope
this helps. I don't think you need to waste money on a
professional restorer. The best thing to do would be to
copy the material to fresh tapes just in case a problem
does develop in the future.
Kevin

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:33:38 -0400
From: Arthur Smith <agsmith_stl@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: KMOX and a question

Hello again,
As a St. Louis inhabitant, I, also was re-introduced
to OTR through Jack Carney's Saturday [removed] and Sunday
[removed] shows. Now is when my old fuzzy memory may be
playing tricks on me. I seem to remember a (possibly
Suspense) show starring Jimmy Stewart that was very
good, and I don't remember much about it. Did Jimmy
Stewart do any Suspense (or similar) shows. If so, any
info would be [removed]

Art from St. Louis (where John Carney (Jack's son) is
currently heard on KMOX, no OTR, but he is entertaining)

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Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:34:26 -0400
From: neil crowley <og@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The persistence of stagnation

From: "Doug Leary" <dleary@[removed];
Subject:  What is reality?

It has been said that religious paintings of the middle ages depicted
biblical characters as contemporary, not ancient people, because few people
of the middle ages had any real sense of history. Technology and culture had
stagnated for so long ...

Any teacher trying to train novice historians will tell you the hardest
lesson is getting them to see the past without filtering it through the
present. Despite modern education, we would have as much difficulty truly
understanding the people of the Middle Ages as a medieval farmer may have
had understanding the ancients. (By the way, would ordinary people in the
Middle Ages ever see "religious paintings"; stained glass windows, statues,
perhaps a painted altarpiece, rarely a book of hours - paintings came later.)

There's a low-budget comedy/quiz show on tv called "Street Smarts", sort of
an extended version of Jay Leno's fool-in-the-street quizzes. The
contestants are obviously screened for personality rather than breadth of
knowledge but they're not atypical. The "sense of history" demonstrated by
these 21st century people doesn't seem markedly improved from that of their
less schooled forebears. When asked to date the Battle of Gettysburg one
gainfully employed youth supposed it happened about 1918. He further
surmised that the combatants were Gettysburg and Israel and assured the
quizmaster that "the Gettysburgs" won. A sense of history is about as
common in contemporary America as sky blue grapes.

Ask some of your friends who came first - Mozart or Shakespeare, Mozart or
Beethoven, and, if they're young, Mozart or Einstein. Be careful. It's a
good way to lose friends.

The common man of the Middle Ages was probably no different in his sense of
history than his ancestors and us, his heirs. We all get it wrong. But what
he lacked in book learning was counterbalanced with an extensive practical
knowledge. I wonder if our scales are nearly as level.

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