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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2004 : Issue 67
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: Death Valley Days and December B [ Garpboy@[removed] ]
re: Digitizing OTR from Tape? [ Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed]; ]
former KNX drama hour [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
Re: "Watson, the pipe!" [ "Michael Ogden" <michaelo67@hotmail ]
Sherlock Holmes [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
RE: Disney As The Voice Of Donald Du [ "Kris Stone" <anaheim47@[removed] ]
I-Pod Anyone? [ "Jeff Quick" <mrears69@[removed]; ]
"Radio Remedies" [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
Disney [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
Longest Running Program [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
Digitizing OTR from Tape? [ "Jeff Quick" <mrears69@[removed]; ]
It Hit Me. . . . . . . The Radio Wri [ "Barnett, Tom L" <[removed]@acs ]
The Hound of the Baskervilles movie [ David Howell <daveeaston@[removed]; ]
"Though he might be more humble, the [ Wich2@[removed] ]
Ed and Nana Clute [ "Gary Yoggy" <yoggy@[removed]; ]
2-24 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Sherlock Holmes [ "John Eccles, Jr." <jeccles@earthli ]
Ghost Corps [ JayHick@[removed] ]
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:49:47 -0500
From: Garpboy@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Death Valley Days and December Bride
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Does anyone know if these shows are available?
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:50:03 -0500
From: Art Chimes <[removed]@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re: Digitizing OTR from Tape?
Richard J. Smith asked about the best bit rate for encoding tapes
transferred to .wma format.
I don't have any personal experience with .wma transfers, but
that doesn't prevent me from offering a suggestion: :-)
Please don't use a bit rate lower than 128. Though many factors
can and do affect the quality of the resulting digital copy, the
sampling rate is among the most critical. Blank CDs are are very
cheap now, so the cost of media is only pennies per copy, whether
you encode at 32 or 128.
Regards
Art
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:50:10 -0500
From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: former KNX drama hour
This link works. I have tried it. Kurt
Hi friends,
The knx drama hour has moved to ksurf 1260 in Los angeles. To hear
this on the internet go to
[removed].
You can listen to last night's show.
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:50:50 -0500
From: "Michael Ogden" <michaelo67@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: "Watson, the pipe!"
The recent note about Sherlock Holmes and what he may have had in his pipe
was way off the mark, as I'm sure many Sherlockians will likewise comment.
Actually, Holmes's pipe has never been a source of controversy because his
actual drug usage was very clearly stated otherwise.
In the second Holmes novel THE SIGN OF FOUR there is explicit reference to
Holmes administering cocaine to himself via injection. This segment also
makes clear the repugnance that Dr. Watson feels towards his friend's habit.
Somewhere along the way (never uttered in the Sacred Canon of Doyle, though)
this expression sprang up--"Quick, Watson, the needle!" I have a friend
who's a devoted Holmesian scholar, who has devoted considerable research to
tracking down the origin of this expression. I haven't checked with him
recently (although the arising of this topic now prompts me to do so), but
the last I heard he had yet to discover where it first came from. His most
likely scenario--that it probably came from some comic stage revue in the
1890's shortly after William Gillette's play SHERLOCK HOLMES achieved its
first popular success.
I haven't listened to it recently, but there's a Jack Benny show from 1933
that has Jack as Sherlock Holmes asking Watson what's for lunch. When Watson
replies, "Chicken noodle soup," Benny replies, "Quick, Watson, the noodle!"
This line gets a good-sized laugh, indicating that the reference was pretty
widely understood even in the Thirties.
Mike Ogden
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:50:57 -0500
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Sherlock Holmes
The last line in the Basil Rathbone movie version is,
"The pipe,
Watson,
the pipe," as Holmes mounts the stairway.
I thought expurgated line was "Watson, the Needle"
Larry Albert
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:51:14 -0500
From: "Kris Stone" <anaheim47@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: Disney As The Voice Of Donald Duck
Martin Grams recently mentioned that:
Disney was heard on a large number of TREASURY STAR PARADE syndication
programs, even as the voice of Donald Duck singing (part publicity for THE
THREE CALLABEROS (sp?).) There are also recording known to exist in which
Disney was interviewed on radio stations but always (and shrewdly) for
publicity purposes.
As far as I know, Clarence Nash did the voice of Donald Duck exclusively
since around 1934-35. Walt never did the voice of Donald - only Mickey
Mouse.
The Three Caballeros came out around 1943-44. Please advise where you
obtained this information from - I am very curious.
Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free!
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:51:32 -0500
From: "Jeff Quick" <mrears69@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: I-Pod Anyone?
Has anyone else picked up an I-Pod for OTR listening yet? I purchased mine
a few weeks back & can't say enough good things about it.
Having 20 GB of music/OTR in a portable device smaller than a pack of
cigerettes is nothing short of amazing.
Jeff
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:51:41 -0500
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Radio Remedies"
Udmacon@[removed] mentioned some "radio remedies".
I googled [removed]
Sites related to:
"Crazy Water":
[removed]
[removed]
"Hadacol":
[removed]
[removed]
[removed]
"Manoree":
[removed]
"Save The Baby":
Couldn't find out what its original ingredients were. The 'Vermont Country
Store' still sells it, but notes that some ingredients "that are now
illegal" are not in the current formulation.
"Alka Seltzer":
Couldn't find advertising that indicates any cure other than "upset
stomach" or "gas" other than the infamous "blahs" campaign on TV, which
was shut down by the FTC.
Hamlin's "Wizard Oil":
[removed]
"Dr. LeGear Products" (animal-care products):
[removed]
Thought you might be interested,
Herb Harrison
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:52:08 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Disney
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Hi Gang:
The Museum of Teleevision & Radio (MT&R) gere in NYC has a
Disney-related programme I've seen listed in its computerised cart catalogue
called, I believe, "Nineteen Hundred Sixty," which was produced in the late
1940s and speculated what technologocal advances would be in place in the
not-too-distamt future date of 1960. Being that I've never accessed this
show, I'm not sure if "Uncle" Walt made an appearance, but I do rememebr
that the show was narrated by Cliff Edwards in character as "Jiminy Cricket."
Another Disney connected OTR show I know of is a "Fred Allen Show" where
one of the guests was master Disney animator T. Hee. Fred and Co. seemed to
have a lotta fun with Mr. Hee's name.
I'd also like my fellow ether-ites to know that I have conclusive proof
confirming those long ago rumours that Walt Disney is, indeed, cryogenically
frozen in a state of suspended [removed] once walked past Radio City
Music Hall and its marquee clearly read "DISNEY ON ICE."
Ether!
Derek Tague
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:52:43 -0500
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Longest Running Program
1954 - ABC radio's popular Breakfast Club, program with longtime host,
Don McNeill, was simulcast on TV beginning this day. The telecast of
the show was a bomb, but the radio program went on to break records as
the longest-running program on the air.
We've been through this so many times on the digest. Why is misinformation
repeated so often when hundreds of us know differently? With all due
respect, it wasn't true then and it isn't true now. The program had an
incredible longevity and for an audience participation show with a single
host, it holds the record. Yet there were other genres that superseded it
handily and we've recounted their names many times. It may only be
important to the purists who realize it perpetuates a myth For those who
make sincere efforts to maintain accuracy (and there are many on this list)
i'ts simply an aberration of the facts.
Jim Cox
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:53:02 -0500
From: "Jeff Quick" <mrears69@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Digitizing OTR from Tape?
From: "Richard j Smith" <rjsmith608@[removed];
Subject: Digitizing OTR from Tape?
I am just starting a project of digitizing as many of my OTR programs as
I can. I am doing it in wma format. I was wondering what the normal
bit rate is for recording and archiving them on CD would be? I know
that 128 bps is CD quality. Would it be better to go a bit lower and
make more room on the disk or stay at 128 bps? Any thoughts would be
appreciate. I also want to be able to listen to shows on my mini disk
player as well.
Richard,
First of all, why WMA? The MP3 format seems to be more compatible with DVD
players & portable devices. Does your mini-disk player require you to
encode in WMA format?
I'm not familiar with WMA compression but as far as MP3, 128 seems to be the
sweet spot for mono OTR in my opinion. I've done a lot of testing of
different bit rates with a high quality set of earphones and noticed no
difference using anything above 128 compared to the source WAV file.
With the capacity of digital storage mediums constantly creeping up in size,
there is no reason to skimp on file size to get a few extra shows on a disk.
You'll never be sorry you went with a higher bit rate, but may be kicking
yourself a few years down the road that you sacrificed file size for sound
quality.
I also archive all the shows that I capture to a WAV file. Since this format
is not compressed, you can always edit the sound file down the road again
without losing any sound quality.
In the very near future there may no need for any compression at all. We'll
all have 2 Terrabyte I-Pods & be listening to all our music/OTR as
uncompressed WAV files anyway:)
If you have any further questions on encoding or digital sound editing,
please feel free to drop me an off list e-mail.
Jeff Quick
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:57:10 -0500
From: "Barnett, Tom L" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: It Hit Me. . . . . . . The Radio Writers
Yes we love OTR. We love the characters, the sounds, the stories, and larger
than personalities, well timed sound effects that vividly paint an image in
your imagination; everything about the "Theater of the Mind."
But then it hit me, what fundamentally makes this pastime (art form?)
different from others that exist. When I dip into a selection of OTR
programs to listen to, sure I select them based on characters/personalities
that I like ([removed] Jack Benny, the Shadow) but some I choose not for whose in
it but how tight and compelling the stories are ([removed] Suspense, The
Whistler)
What truly makes an OTR program or series special is the writing behind it.
How many times have we heard Jack Benny outside of his program (rare as it
may be) on a less than memorable performance because the dialog didn't
click. Fibber McGee and Molly without Don Quinn isn't the same. Yes it is
the personalities that breath the life into a character but the writers have
had to dream up the scene, the dialog and the characters from their own
fertile imagination. THEY came up with the memorable one-liners,
catch-phrases, and storylines that made broadcasting (then) and OTR now so
addicting for us.
Again, I am not slighting the actors and actresses at all. But the very best
violinist or oboe player in the world would be lost without an engaging
score from which to read.
OTR is like symphonic music, yes the similarities are there, as an art form.
My question is has anyone compiled a book that highlights just the writers
of this great wealth of American entertainment that we all enjoy so much? If
not, it would be a fascinating project to be undertaken.
Yours Truly,
Tom Barnett, PMP
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:01:07 -0500
From: David Howell <daveeaston@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: The Hound of the Baskervilles movie
"The Hound of the Baskervilles."
The last line in the Basil Rathbone movie version is,
"The pipe, Watson, the pipe," as Holmes mounts the stairway.
<snip>
That particular line was removed from the re-releases
of the original film.
I believe the line was "Quick, Watson, the needle!" I
actually heard it when the film was rebroadcast on
television. I did not see Rathbone giving the line -
it was right as the credits were beginning.
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:01:57 -0500
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Though he might be more humble, there's no
police like Holmes"
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
I don't recall the radio show referencing what Sherlock really used the
pipe for, but it is certainly clear in most of the stories
Over the course of the stories, Holmes responds to Watson's chiding, &
lessens - perhaps even gives up? - his mind-altering drug of choice. (I would
doubt that the '40's radio version condoned this?)
"The Hound of the Baskervilles." ...The last line in the Basil Rathbone
movie version is, "The pipe, Watson, the pipe," as Holmes mounts the
stairway
The actual line, as Holmes steps out of the room during the fade-out, is "Ah,
Watson - the needle!" Mycroft's brother didn't smoke wacky weed, bowl or no;
he shot cocaine - Generally, a "seven-percent solution."
Best,
Craig "once, and God willing, future" Great Detective
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:02:13 -0500
From: "Gary Yoggy" <yoggy@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Ed and Nana Clute
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For Friends of Ed and Nana Clute:
I thought that you might be interested in knowing that Nana Clute
(Ed's wife) has been seriously ill and in the hospital for the past several
weeks. She is home now and would enjoy hearing from friends. As of now Ed
and Nana are planning on flying out to the Cincinnati Convention on Friday and
back home on Sunday. Their home address is 4 Orchard Ave., Watkins Glen, NY
14891.
Let's all keep Nana in our prayers, Gary Yoggy
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 15:51:50 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 2-24 births/deaths
February 24th births
02-24-1876 - Victor Moore - Hammonton, NJ - d. 7-23-1962
comedian: (The Lothario of the Lumbago Set) "Jimmy Durante Show"
02-24-1885 - Bert Lytell - NYC - d. 9-28-1954
actor: Jimmy Valentine "Alias Jimmy Valentine"; Jeb Stuart "Roses and Drums"
02-24-1890 - Marjorie Main - Acton, IN - d. 4-10-1975
actress: "Columbia Presents Corwin"
02-24-1895 - May Singhi Breen - NYC - d. 12-19-1970
singer: (The Ukulele Lady) "Sweethearts of the Air"
02-24-1914 - Zachary Scott - Austin, TX - d. 10-3-1965
actor: "Suspense"; "Encore Theatre"; "[removed] Steel Hour"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
02-24-1921 - Abe Vigoda - NYC
actor: "You Are There"
02-24-1922 - Steven Hill - Seattle, WA
actor: "Treasury Salute"; "Up For Parole"
February 24th deaths
01-12-1906 - Henny Youngman - Liverpool, England (Raised: Brooklyn, NY) - d.
2-24-1998
comedian: "Kate Smith Hour"
02-25-1904 - Marion Claire - Chicago, IL - d. 2-24-1988
singer: "Chicago Theatre of the Air"
03-01-1916 - Dinah Shore - Winchester, TN - d. 2-24-1994
singer: "Eddie Cantor Show"; "Dinah Shore Show"
03-16-1897 - Conrad Nagel - Keokuk, IA - d. 2-24-1970
actor, emcee: "Silver Theatre"; "Passing Parade"
04-26-1906 - [removed] "Albert" Alexander - Winthrop, MA - d. 2-24-1967
moderator: "Goodwill Court/Court of Human Relations"
05-20-1920 - George Gobel - Chicago, IL - d. 2-24-1991
comedian, actor, singer: (Lonesome George) Jimmy "Tom Mix"; "National Barn
Dance"
05-29-1918 - Herb Shriner - Toledo, OH - d. 2-24-1970
comedian: "Camel Comedy Caravan"; "Herb Shriner Time"
08-08-1921 - Webb Pierce - West Monroe, LA - d. 2-24-1991
singer: "Louisiana Hayride"
09-02-1898 - Arthur Young - Bristol, Gloucestershire, England - d. 2-24-1959
actor: Junior Fitz "Ma Perkins"; Son "The Baxters"
09-02-1902 - Henry J. Taylor - Chicago, IL - d. 2-24-1984
commentator: 'Your Land and Mine"; "News Commentary"
09-29-1910 - Virginia Bruce - Minneapolis, MN - d. 2-24-1982
actress: Susan Read "Rexall Summer Theatre"
10-25-1901 - Daniel Landt - Scranton, PA - d. 2-24-1961
singer: Landt Trio, "Doc Pearson's Drug Store"; "Bob Hawk Show"
12-24-1906 - Franz Waxman - Konigshutte, Germany - d. 2-24-1967
composer-conductor: "Good News of 1939"
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:42:19 -0500
From: "John Eccles, Jr." <jeccles@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Sherlock Holmes
Regarding Dennis Crow's posting about Sherlock Holmes and "medicine", the
last line in the 1939 "Hound Of The Baskervilles" is spoken by Rathbone, who
says,"Watson, the needle." This is the only reference to Holmes' cocaine
use that can be found in the Rathbone interpretation of Holmes. The second
20th Century Fox film and the subsequent Universal series make no further
mention of it.
I do not know if the line about the "needle" was ever edited from Rathbone's
version of "Hound." When I saw the film for the first time in my teens back
in the 80s, the line was in the film. It may have been edited for
theatrical re-releases in the 40s and 50s, but I know by the 80s that
particular line was in the film.
There was a film short made by Douglas Fairbanks back in the teens spoofing
Sherlock Holmes in which Fairbanks played him as a crazed cocaine addict who
actually injects himself on screen and begins to hop around like a kangaroo
as the drug takes effect. The short does not refer to him as Sherlock
Holmes but something like "Hemlock Shomes." Martin Grams, Jr. should be
able to elaborate further on this as I purchased a copy of the short from
him in a compilation tape of Sherlock Holmes material. Still, the short was
pretty startling and I recommend viewing it for anyone who thinks movies in
"the old days" totally ignored these subjects.
John Eccles, Jr.
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:16:50 -0500
From: JayHick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ghost Corps
Tim Chase <psifiusc@[removed]; is looking for the name of the theme
music of Ghost Corps. If you can help, please email him directly and also
email
me. Jay
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