Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #141
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 4/14/2002 1:15 AM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 141
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: child actors                      [ RadioCM25@[removed] ]
  OTR on an ipod?                       [ Rob Chatlin <rchatlin@[removed] ]
  Re: A&A Chainless-Chain Sponsors      [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Paddy and the Vampires                [ Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed] ]
  Re: LOC and University holdings       [ "Stewart Wright" <stewwright@worldn ]
  Long ago and far away                 [ Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed] ]
  Lindbergh Anniversary                 [ Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed] ]
  perry mason                           [ "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed]; ]
  Quiet, please!                        [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
  Wildroot Cream Oil                    [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  conventions                           [ WILEYOTTER@[removed] ]
  Goodson-Todman                        [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  Clayton Moore as LR                   [ "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed] ]
  Quiet, Please                         [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  RE RARE CAPT MIDNIGHT EPISODES        [ "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed] ]
  More on Clayton Moore                 [ "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@ezlin ]
  GREAT OTR BOOK WRITTEN BY FANS        [ Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@doityours ]
  BLONDIE ON TV                         [ Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@doityours ]
  Brace Beemer on TV                    [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  CRIMEBUSTER LIVES!                    [ ilamfan@[removed] ]

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:57:41 -0400
From: RadioCM25@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: child actors

Regarding the radio peopld from performances as kids, the female star of many
of the CBS Mysteries as supposedly in many of the Let's Pretend programs.
uif you don't remember her name, it will come back to me.
Chick Meyerson

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:57:51 -0400
From: Rob Chatlin <rchatlin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OTR on an ipod?

Has anyone had any success with low bit-rate OTR mp3's on
Apple's new ipod?  Everything I've read states it can handle high
bit-rates,
but nothing about it lower tolerances.

rob

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:58:06 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: A&A Chainless-Chain Sponsors

Mike Biel wrote:

I think this was last discussed when neither of us had the answer, but
are there any other local sponsors of the syndicated Amos 'n' Andy
identified?  The logs of WMAQ show the program to have been unsponsored
there, until the Red Letter Day (literally) when the program started on
NBC under Pepsodent sponsorship.  Sponsor identifications were typed in
red on the WMAQ logs!

I've documented two others besides Crown Drug in Kansas City. The Shell
Company of California sponsored the program on KFRC in San Francisco, for
Shell 400 "Dry" Gasoline, and the Surebest Baking Company sponsored the
series on KRLD, Dallas for Surebest Bread.

Both of these sponsors gave away premiums to promote the series. During
the spring of 1929, Shell gave away shell-shaped "Fresh Air Taxi" logo
stickers promoting both the gasoline and KFRC, and Surebest gave away a
postcard of Correll and Gosden in street clothes (the head-and-shoulders
picture of C&G appearing at the top of each page on my A&A website is
taken from this postcard.) Interestingly, the Surebest postcard shows the
performers as themselves -- but their real names appear nowhere on it,
with the caption reading simply "This is Amos -- This is Andy."

I'm sure that there were other sponsors, and that's one of the things I'm
looking to document as I continue to research the chainless-chain. One
thing I've never run across, however, is a complete list of all stations
that carried A&A between 3/19/28 and 8/18/29 -- and identifying these
stations is proving to be something of a challenge. Most accounts agree
that the chainless chain started with 38 subscribers, and in interviews
late in life Charlie Correll recalled that by the end of the syndication
period they had about 75 subscribers, and that the chain was "growing
steadily" when they were approached by NBC. By contrast, when they joined
NBC Blue, their first lineup only included fifteen stations -- but one of
those was WJZ, which gave the team their first regular exposure in New
York.

So far, however, I've been able to positively document only fifteen
chainless-chain stations, with another six "probable" affiliates:

WMAQ, Chicago
KSTP, St. Paul
WNAC, Boston
WJR, Detroit
WDAF, Kansas City (Clark Drug Company)
KFRC, San Francisco (Shell Gasoline)
KFWB, Hollywood
WRVA, Richmond
KOA, Denver
KSL, Salt Lake City
KRLD, Dallas (Surebest Bread)
KOMO, Seattle
WTMJ, Milwaukee (possibly sponsored by The Milwaukee Journal)
WBT, Charlotte
WMC, Memphis (?)
KDKA, Pittsburgh (?)
KMOX, St. Louis
WSB, Atlanta (?)
WHAS, Louisville (?)
KSCJ, Sioux City (?)
KGW, Portland (?)

A number of these stations were either owned by newspapers or had
affiliations with newspapers. The syndication program was administered by
the Chicago Daily News Syndicate, and I suspect they approached
newspaper-oriented stations first simply because they knew the newspapers
were already familiar with the concept of syndication in print form.
Newspaper stations were also likely subscribers because the syndication
program also included Charley Mueller's "Amos 'n' Andy" comic strip as a
direct tie-in with the continuity of the radio series.

Those of you who do microfilm research in your local newspapers could be
most helpful by checking to see if A&A was on the air in your town during
the chainless-chain period of 1928-29. Any information on additional
stations not listed above would be most welcome, along with any mentions
of local sponsorship.

Elizabeth

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:58:23 -0400
From: Dennis W Crow <DCrow3@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Paddy and the Vampires

I appreciate John Mayer's explanation of his previous post about the
alleged  "death" of  the Cinnamon Bear. And it is not the first time that
Paddy has been threatened.  He was nearly thrown into an immense inkwell
once, and also  came just two or three seconds short of being transformed
into a croaking bullfrog when the Wintergreen Witch had her last and
nastiest confrontation with him.

 Whew!  Thanks, Grand Wunkey, for bringing the witch-proof invisible net
and trapping Wintergreen.  And,  thank goodness,  Captain Tin Top finally
turned her  into a wreath after she escaped Lookingglass Valley.

That  Paddy O'Cinnamon  will live to see another day is good news, indeed.
  Thank you, John.

Dennis Crow
The Cinnamon Bear Brigade
[read all about the Brigade  in Dunning's Encyclopedia, page 154]

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:58:49 -0400
From: "Stewart Wright" <stewwright@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re: LOC and University holdings

Re:  Subject:  LOC and University holdings
Jerry asked:
With the recent discussions involving around shows at the Library of
Congress and at various University's I was [removed] Do the employees of
these organizations have access to these shows without the red tape?

        You are talking apples and oranges.  Universities are privately-run
entities or part of state or local governments.  The Library of Congress is
part of the Federal government.  Different rules and laws apply to different
types of organizations.  It would be best to contact the specific
organizations in which you are interested.

        Regarding Federal employees, they must, at a minimum, comply with
the same requirements (red tape) as any other person requesting access to
government-held materials.  Also, Federal employee cannot run a private
business or conduct business activities that allows them to privately profit
from their position with the government.

Jerry inquired:
Has anything ever been "smuggled" out over the years?
        "Smuggled" in this instance is basically another word for theft.  I
don't know if such an incident has occurred, but I would doubt it; the
potential penalties are too great, the gain too little.
        Again, contact the specific organizations in which you are
interested.

Jerry wants to know:
 If so what is the penalty of such an offense?
        Penalties for a Federal employee who engages in a criminal activity
are quite severe.  They can range from personnel actions such as suspension
without pay to loss of job and benefits to prosecution that might result in
fines and/or incarceration.  Any non-government employee who acts as an
accomplice in such acriminal activity could face Federal prosecution that
might result in fines and/or incarceration.
        Again, contact the specific organizations in which you are
interested.

        The personnel arm of the Federal government is the Office of
Personnel Management.  They can be reached at:
            [removed]
        The Library of Congress can be reached at:
            [removed]

Stewart

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:00:05 -0400
From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Long ago and far away

Ron Sayles asks:

All of you that have worked in what is called old time radio, did you have any
idea that 60 years after you plied you trade you would be idolized by all of
us crazies who love radio as it used to be? The clubs that have sprung up all
over the country, the conventions, the recreations, all of it. What is your
reaction to all of this lionization? Had you known would you have done
anything different back then?

I have been completely amazed, and actually overwhelmed by what has happened
with work I did so long ago. Apparently, I have achieved a status I never
anticipated and don't really understand. I don't know that I would have or
could have done anything differently.

If Charlie will permit me a personal note--- those of you whom I have met
thru the digest and have been so kind as to offer
help with the hardest blow I have ever been dealt, I cannot thank you
enough.

Harry Bartell

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:00:30 -0400
From: Eric J Cooper <ejcooper2002@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Lindbergh Anniversary

Another anniversary with ties to OTR. Sunday April 14 (which may be the
day most read this), Erik Lindbergh will take off from the San Diego
Airport that bears his grandpa's name to St. Louis and Farmingdale NY. On
May 1st he will retrace his grandfathers flight. Listen for lots of the
Lowell Thomas news re-creation of the event about that time, I am sure
all the nets will "pull" it out of the archives

Eric Cooper

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:00:46 -0400
From: "Ed Carr" <edcarr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  perry mason

hi
and just for information, i have 360 eps of perry mason, those who got them
from me have approx 1/2 or 180, i am trying or was, to make arrangements
to get another chance to record the 1st series again that i put out
25yrs ago, state vs may grant, this si what i called it at the time.
ed

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:01:16 -0400
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Quiet, please!

Someone just took a nasty jab at one of my favorite OTR shows, Quiet, Please!
I have to admit that I never heard the show when it was on the air; probably
was listening to some other network.  But now as a senior citizen I have
discovered one of the best written and best acted radio dramas ever produced,
Quiet, Please.  Wyllis Cooper, writer, and Ernest Chappell, actor, made one
of the greatest teams radio ever experienced.  Science fiction, fantasy,
horror, love stories, stories based on the Holy Bible: they were all there.
Chappell could act any part that Cooper could write, and Cooper could write
anything. The contributor said that the show sounded like it was being made
up as it went along.  Three cheers for Chappell and Cooper!  That's the way a
really good radio drama should sound!  As far as I know there never was
anything like it -- and probably there never will be again.

Ted Kneebone
1528 S. Grant St., Aberdeen, SD 57401 / 605-226-3344
OTR:  [removed]

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:01:27 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Wildroot Cream Oil

I know the music is attributed to jazz composer/artist Tad Dameron and the
lyrics by band leader Woody Herman.

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:01:34 -0400
From: WILEYOTTER@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  conventions
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Would someone please send me a list of upcomming conventions for OTR ?

Thanks

Don

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:01:48 -0400
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Goodson-Todman

I know this will be perceived as being about that "other" medium, but it
really isn't.

Tracking appearances by Arthur Godfrey, I am hoping someone out there may
know person or people who worked at or with Goodson-Todman productions,
around the 1950s.  Particularly "What's My Line".  Production people would
be especially helpful.  I have questions about those programs.

Any ideas or referrals will be most appreciated.  Thanks!

Lee Munsick	That Godfrey Guy

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:01:57 -0400
From: "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Clayton Moore as LR

Actually, the Lone Ranger producers were most impressed by Clayton's masked
performance in the Republic Serial "THE GHOST OF ZORRO"

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:02:35 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Quiet, Please

Richard Carpenter comments on "Quiet, Please:"
...does anyone know whether "Quiet Please" was a popular show?... to
me anyway, the show just doesn't cut it. It sounds as if it's being made up
as it goes along. "The Twilight Zone" it's not.

It's too bad you feel this way because in my opinion, this is one of the
most creative serial radio programs created. It is pure minimalist radio
drama at its best. Using  first person narrative monologue reinforced by
occasional dialogue to sustain the dramatic effect often heightens the
sense of suspense each episode created. Each episode was tinged with a
sense of horror almost as if the listener is waiting in the dark for
something to come out of the closet.

Wyllis Cooper was a master in radio horror from his creation of "Lights
Out" then to "Quiet, Please."

The series was sustained for the two years it was on. Though it was on in a
prime time, it did not achieve the success that it deserved. It was for a
time opposite The Great Gildersleeve on Wednesday's at 8:30 [removed]

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:02:48 -0400
From: "Thomas Mason" <batz34@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  RE RARE CAPT MIDNIGHT EPISODES

As many times as I have seen Mr. Kallis' comments about the loss of most all
the Ed Prentis episodes from the glory years of Captain Midnight, it causes
me to wish that I could relive those days when I was a young man waiting for
that next secret message to decode with a clue to the next day's episode. He
is right though, I have searched and searched to no avail for those episodes
and never unearthed them. Maybe [removed]

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:03:04 -0400
From: "Donald & Kathleen Dean" <dxk@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  More on Clayton Moore

Further commenting on Dan Hughes posting on Clayton Moore's serial
adventures in The Adventures of Frank and Jesse James. I also have that
serial along with many others that Clayton starred in. In the one just
mentioned
his co-stars were Steve Darrell (as Frank James) Noel Neill (later starred
as Lois
Lane in Superman's TV shows) and George J. Lewis. The one serial of his
that I remember seeing as a kid was The Crimson Ghost (a copy of which I
have). This is the only time I recall seeing Clayton playing the villain.
He's the
gang leaders right hand thug. Clayton was sometimes credited as Jack
Carlton,
Clay Moore, and Jack Moore. Clayton was born Jack Carlton Moore on
September 14, 1914 in Chicago, Illinois and died of a heart attack in Los
Angeles,
California on December 28, 1999. For a list of Clayton Moore's filmography
from the 1930's to the 2000's along with his notable TV guest appearances
go to the Yahoo search directory, type in Clayton Moore then click on
the 7. IMDb: Clayton Moore - film and television credits.
As for me, Clayton Moore was the best Lone Ranger on screen and TV.
Brace Beemer was for me The Lone Ranger on radio as he's the one I remember
always hearing as a kid and he was the Ranger until it went off the air.
Don Dean N8IOJ

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:03:34 -0400
From: Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@[removed];
To: "Radio  Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  GREAT OTR BOOK WRITTEN BY FANS

I happened to purchase a very good OTR book by Ray Barfield the other day and
was quite surprised to find out that it was written by the fans of OTR,
relating their personel expierences amd ancedotes on OTR.
This is the first book of its kind ever to be written in this style. The
title is:  "LISTENING TO RADIO, 1920-1950," Published by the Greenwood
Publishing Group.

Instead of the usual format of most books that deal with research and are
mostly used as references, he uses quotes from fans he must have contacted to
submit personal expierences with listening radio, and teur favorite programs.

Such stories as that os a young lad beginning a love affair with radio at the
age of two, remembering he had a large radio big enough for him to take naps
behid it, and how he enjoyeed looking at all the lighted tubes, and wanting
to know how all those people got onto the "box", and no matteer how many
times she explained that it was really large people far away making the
voices, he knew better. THey all originated  right there in the radio - he
knew it because he could feel them.

This is just one example of stories of fans - like you and me, telling their
own storie4s about living  and growing up with ---Old Time Radio.  If you
have not read this book yet, I highly recomend this most unusual telling of
"The Old-Time Radio Story."

Kevin

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:03:53 -0400
From: Kevin Michaels <kmichaels@[removed];
To: "Radio  Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  BLONDIE ON TV

I cannot for the life of me understand why, when Blondie went to TV in the
50's, that the radio cast of Penny Singleton and Arthur Lake was not used.
They saw fit to do a movie series (starting in 1937, I believe), with Lake &
Singleton, but not for TV?  (Did Arthur Lake die before the TV series)  I
know the movie series ran into the early 50's. How about a little help, here
Elizabeth?  T BTW, if Will Hutchins who played the TV Dagwood is at te Cinci
convention, somebody ask him.  Maybe he would know.

Kevin

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:04:01 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Brace Beemer on TV

Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:36:13 -0400
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];

Beemer made two appearances on TV's "I've Got A Secret" on Mar 18, 1959
and Jan 22, 1964

Did he wear a mask?

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:04:27 -0400
From: ilamfan@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed] (OTR Bulletin Board)
Subject:  CRIMEBUSTER LIVES!

     For any fans of the NARA News who followed the
goofy exploits of "Crimebuster" by Ken Weigel:  You can
now actually LISTEN to all 7 Crimebuster episodes on cd!
     I was in charge of recording the NARA News on tape
for the sight-impaired members for 2 years, greatly
enjoying doing my own mini-recreations of Mr Weigel's
scripts (my favorite part of each issue!).  It was quite
a charge doing all of the voices myself, and making a
few live sound effects along the way with whatever was
within reach.
     Then, in the first half of 2001, I heard of Mr
Weigel's passing on.  I thought that it might be a nice
memorial to do a full production of the Crimebuster
stories as a NARA fundraiser.  Hey, people write radio
scripts in order that they be HEARD, not just read.
     Mr Weigel's family gave me the permission, and now
(after much too long a wait), the project is completed!
My apologies to anyone who has been waiting on me -
this, like most new OTR endeavors, is a labor of love
which gets worked on when time and budget and personnel
allow.
     Since the NARA (North American Radio Archives)
organization is still in limbo (?), the "NARA
fundraiser" title may be moot.  If there ends up being
no more NARA, all profits from this project will go to
the Weigel family.  I, for one, REALLY hope the NARA
News can get rolling again.  It was the best of all the
OTR magazines out there.
     The cd's run about 45 minutes, and include extra
chapters of Crimebuster that were never printed in the
NARA News.  Our hero, Crimebuster, is a forgetful,
loveable idiot of a hard-boiled detective who somehow
comes out on top every time.  The cd's are ten dollars
each, just contact me at ilamfan@[removed] if you are
interested.  I will also be bringing a small stack of
these to the Cincinnati convention, so you can get one
there, also (if you keep your eyes open for me - I'll be
the guy with the stack of Crimebuster cd's).
     My thanks to the Weigel family, and especially
Ken.  You made my days brighter with this stuff, I hope
you like what I've done with it.

Stephen Jansen

--
Old Time Radio never dies - it
just changes formats!

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