Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #74
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 2/26/2002 1:02 PM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

------------------------------


                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 74
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Actor credits                         [ Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed] ]
  Playing Low Bit Rate OTR files on Po  [ Tim Ryan <tjryanjr@[removed]; ]
  Musical Idents                        [ "S Skuse" <sskuse@[removed]; ]
  seeking otr cd distributors           [ "Ben Ohmart" <bloodbleeds@[removed] ]
  re: robinson-la motta                 [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
  Actors Not Getting Credited?          [ Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2 ]
  Amen                                  [ littlejc2@[removed] ]
  George Edwards' FRANKENSTEIN          [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  Re: musical idents                    [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  A few thoughts                        [ "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@delphiau ]
  Early Lone Ranger                     [ Tony Baechler <tony@[removed]; ]
  Spondulics                            [ "Hamm, Mike (HAMMCM)" <HAMMCM@UCMAI ]
  Messing with communications           [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  Talman's inexpensive movie source     [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  George Trendle                        [ Michael Browning <aquarii2u@[removed] ]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:01:27 -0500
From: Harry Bartell <bartell@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Actor credits

Carolie Minuscule writes:

I have long been planning to put a Radio Actors
Credits page on my site<snip>The Credits page will consist
of the actor's name, show name and episode title,
role, and air date. I'm confining it at the moment to
roles played on mystery, suspense and crime dramas

This is a noble effort and I'm honored that my name has been included but I
wonder if the lady has any concept of what she has taken on.

Several years ago my daughter came across some old engagement books of mine
and decided to log shows I did. Four years of network radio were unaccounted
for, but from what she did have discovered that she could account for
appearances on about 185 different radio series. She had  the series name
and the date of [removed] not necessarily the date of broadcast in the
event the show was transcribed. There were no episode titles and definitely
no role designations.

Out of that group, there are at least 36 series that qualify as mystery,
suspense or crime shows. She could account for 74 appearances on Dragnet, 50
on Johnny Dollar, 85 on Man Called X, 34 on Suspense, 60 on Escape, 39 on
Sherlock Holmes and on and on. And there were many actors who did a lot more
work than I did.

So good luck and I'm sure any of the surviving actors will appreciate your
work, but I humbly suggest you enlist the aid of Hercules AND Superman.

Harry Bartell

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:07:48 -0500
From: Tim Ryan <tjryanjr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Playing Low Bit Rate OTR files on Portable

Players
Approved: ctrn4eeWlc

I read with interest Fred Berney's remarks on recording formats.  many of
the things chronicle some of my own frustrations with getting these great
OTR files into something that I could carry along with me while walking
my Golden Retrievers.  I usually time my walks so that I can get through
an entire episode of whatever suits me on a particular day.

I asked many question on Usenet groups as to why the OTR files would not
play on many portable cd-based players.  With much research on my part, and
advice from a world-wide community on the usenet, I found that if I really
dug into the manufacturer's specification carefully, I could find units
that would decode MP3 files that were recorded with low bit rates and/or
low sampling rates.  I finally chose a portable made by Pine D'Music.  I
have not found an OTR file that it would not play.  When I am not out
walking,
I have it sitting on top of my stereo equipment rack, plugged into my main
amplifier.   It does a great job of feeding the OTR files to a sometimes
appreciative audience in my living room.  Cost about a hundred and worth
every penny.

I have also had great success in downloading OTR into my little Rio One
memory-
based MP3 player.  with the expansion slot loaded with another 128 megs of
flash memory I have more OTR that my legs will carry me on many walks.


Tim Ryan

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 17:11:56 -0500
From: "S Skuse" <sskuse@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Musical Idents

On Sunday 24 February, Michael Biel wrote:

During WW II, the European service of the BBC used a very
quiet drumbeat in the morse code V "dot dot dot dash" that would
be easy to hear but not loud enough to alert the neighbors and
Nazis that you were listening to a forbidden enemy broadcast.

The morse code letter "V" was used for those wartime broadcasts because the
resistance movements in several parts of Occupied Europe used the letter V
as a symbol of resistance. It represented the first letter of the word
"Victory" (a word which begins with a "V" in several foreign languages). The
BBC only used it during the war, for broadcasts to Occupied Europe; and they
used it only because it had that wartime connotation.

They now use three electronic sounding notes in the pitch of
"B B C" for some services, and used to use the sound of the
Bow Bells for other services.

The BBC World Service uses the chimes of Big Ben, the clock tower which
adjoins the Houses of Parliament, not the sound of Bow Bells, which are
something different (Bow is another district of London, some miles away). It
still uses the chimes of Big Ben on the hour, but not every quarter hour as
it once did.

You're probably remembering the old rhyme, Oranges and Lemons ("Oranges and
lemons, say the Bells of St Clements; When will you pay me, say the bells of
Old Bailey; When I grow rich, say the bells of Shoreditch; When will that
be, say the bells of Stepney; I do not know, says the great bell of Bow"),
which reflects something of the huge number of churches - and thus church
bell towers - that still exist in London,

"Born within the sound of Bow Bells" is still a saying in the east end of
London, but the Great Bell of Bow isn't the bell used by the BBC.

Alas, I no longer hear the chimes from Westminster on the quarter
hours.  The present BBC management has NO FEELINGS OF NOSTALGIA at all!

Don't look to the BBC to preserve the past - they're just not interested!

Sandra Skuse
Website: [removed]
dedicated to English OTR comedian Jimmy Clitheroe

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 20:56:41 -0500
From: "Ben Ohmart" <bloodbleeds@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: seeking otr cd distributors

If anyone is interested in carrying or distributing Bickersons cds and
never before released Baby Snooks cds, at the wholesale rate of $[removed]
per cd, please contact me. I'm doing this for the rights owner, Paul
Rapp. Thanks.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:38:33 -0500
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re: robinson-la motta

 spense, i remember the fight very well and robinson destroyed jake that
night with seemingly hundreds of punches. No, jake didnt go down, but if you
look at the films closely, he was headed down when the ref stepped in and
stopped it. In the process, he grabbed jake and kept him up. He probably
though, should have stopped it a little sooner. Jake was tough, but sugar ray
and joe louis were the two grearest fighters to ever live, imo.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 22:15:57 -0500
From: Carolie Minuscule <daggerofthemind2000@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Actors Not Getting Credited?

I just finished listening to an episode of The Saint,
called 'No Hiding Place,' or alternatively 'Everyone
Wants to Kill Tommy' (The Saint episodes all seem to
have multiple titles) and at the end of this episode
Vincent Price himself reads the cast list.  There were
two women in the program, one woman with a large role
as Tommy's sister, Nancy, and another woman with a
small role of the landlady.  Price reads off
everyone's name, EXCEPT the woman who played Nancy!
Why would this be?  Peggy Webber played the landlady.
If she played both parts, would they have withheld her
name for the second part?  But since Nancy was the
bigger part, why wouldn't they have credited her for
that instead?

So my question for actors, etc. on this list is why,
if everyone else's name in the cast is announced at
the end of a show, is it normal for  a single cast
member to be excluded like this?

=====
Caroline Miniscule
THE FRIENDS OF MR. CAIRO
[removed]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:36:14 -0500
From: littlejc2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Amen

I too remember well the recording of "Amen."  My mother
had two recordings of it on 78 and played them both
repeatedly.  The one by Woody Herman had clearly on the
label (Decca): "From the movie *What's Cookin'?*  Woody
did the vocal on this.

The second recording of the same tune was by Abe Lyman
and His Orchestra.  The vocal was done by a woman and is
probably the one remembered by our friend.  I can't
recall the name of this singer as she certainly was no
one of note.

I recall these recordings because just about eight years
ago, I had a local university transfer some of my
mother's old favorite 78's to cassette and made out a
list for them of which sides I wanted dubbed.  Both
versions of "Amen" were on that list.

I haven't seen anything by Abe Lyman for years but
perhaps you could check [removed] for possible
available recordings.

Hope this is helpful.

Chester Littlejohn

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 23:36:47 -0500
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: George Edwards' FRANKENSTEIN

From: "Ian Grieve" Subject: GEORGE EDWARDS FRANKENSTEIN
   the date of 1931 is almost certainly incorrect>
Folks-
I have no documentation, but seem to recall reading years ago that this
production intentionally capitalized on Karloff's (first) film version, which
opened Xmas [removed]
As to the show itself, it's a little thin production-wise, but is pretty
faithful to the 1818 Shelley novel. But for one point: LIKE THE FILM, it's
"Victor" seems to be an older, Baron-type; Mary's lead is a callow young
student (as was ours).
-Craig Wichman
(of Quicksilver Radio Theater's 1996 "Frankenstein: Modern Prometheus")

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:27:04 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: musical idents

The Voice of America has used for years, and continues to use,
"Yankee Doodle."  Bob Scherago

Ah, you're a Johnny-come-lately. :-)  When I was more actively listening
to short-wave, VOA's Interval Signal and opening music was "Columbia,
The Gem of the Ocean."  They've probably been using Yankee Doodle for 25
years, but I __still__ can't get used to it!!!   The old CJO was played
by a military band and sounded more rough and tough. YD is a jolly,
happy tune putting forward a kinder gentler image of America.  They
probably were trying to change the image late in the Vietnam era. I
suppose I could dig thru my old copies of World Radio (TV) Handbook and
find when the changeover was, or I could send a copy of this email to a
friend of mine who has worked for VOA for eons, and was Record Librarian
and Sound Archivist there during that era.

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:28:34 -0500
From: "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: A few thoughts

Since the oil co. thread got started, I've been paying more attention to
gas stations.  I've spotted two different signs here in mid-Michigan
that use the STANDARD name.  They are both high, large signs (the kind
used by gas stations to be seen from the interstate), and appear to be
relatively modern.  They use the oval and torch logo that I usually
associate with Amoco, but they have the word Standard across the middle.
I don't know why they're there, but I can't help whistling the Whistler
theme whenever I drive by.  Maybe I'll stop and get gas to see if it is
a Standard station, or if the sign is just an artifact.

In #73, Ed Ellers wrote:

That company was originally a joint venture between GM and RCA, and
later became part of Delco.  They did make both home and car radios
-- the home radios were sold by Frigidaire dealers, since
Frigidaire was also owned by GM -- and that lasted until well into
the 1940s, until Delco decided to concentrate on car radios.

Delco is now a division of Delphi Automotive Systems.  Delphi was
created in 1999, when GM spun off most of its part making operations
into a seperate company.

In #73, Herb Harrison wrote:

Matter of fact, "Ma Bell's" telephones were the murder weapons in
quite a few radio/movie/early TV mystery and detective shows.

A recent sighting of this technique is the movie 12 Monkeys, where a
time traveling Bruce Willis uses a telephone in this manner - quite
violently, infact.

-Chris Holm

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 09:27:38 -0500
From: Tony Baechler <tony@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Early Lone Ranger

Hello all.  There has been some discussion lately about the Lone Ranger,
his horse, and the actors who played him.  His first horse was named Dusty
according to the 12-09-38 show.  While RSI has released a very limited set
of early LR, Jerry Haendiges has a few hundred of them, ranging from
February 1938 to 1942, available on tape or CD.  I am not representing him,
but am a very happy customer.  The sound quality is outstanding.  Almost
all of the 1939-40 shows survive with Brace Beemer as announcer.  Among
those shows is how Tonto got his horse Scout, a re-creation of the very
first show, and how the LR got Silver.

If interested, go to this site and look through his catalog.  They range
from 96170-96428 and 98571-98573.  The sound on almost all of them is
excellent.  Again, I am just a happy customer.

[removed]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:34:48 -0500
From: "Hamm, Mike (HAMMCM)" <HAMMCM@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Spondulics

I've heard "spondulics" (slang for "money"?) used is some OTR programs
(particularly "Vic and Sade").  Does anyone know the origin of this word?
Was it used in normal conversation?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 10:54:30 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Messing with communications

Bravo!

Thanks.  Lee

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 11:11:41 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Talman's inexpensive movie source

Ref Terry Talman's source for related movies at $[removed], the URL seemed to be 
thoroughly messed up.  I finally cut back to THIRDage rather than THRID as 
shown, and ended after com/.  I got a web page, but couldn't get 
further.  Perhaps Terry could send again?

This is what appeared from his initial posting.  It does not work:
[removed]


Thanks.  Lee Munsick


[ADMINISTRIVIA: The correct URL, which I have verified, is:

[removed]

A warning that the site is rather tough to read in many places, because
[removed] color choices (yellow text on a light grey background?).  --cfs3]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 14:49:11 -0500
From: Michael Browning <aquarii2u@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: George Trendle

A question was brought up to me concerning the creator
of The Lone Ranger and The Green Hornet.  There was a
third program that he created and right off hand I can
not think what it was. So if there is anybody out
there that can help me, I'd appreciate it. You can
contact me at my regular email address of
mchbrwnng@[removed].  Also is there anybody out there
that can help me out with writting to the digest. My
regular email address is with AOL but for some reason
it is in the wrong format for the digest and I have to
go through Yahoo email to write to the digest.  It
doesn't bother me that I have to do it this way but it
would be easier if I was able to go through AOL.

--------------------------------
End of [removed] Digest V2002 Issue #74
********************************************

Copyright [removed] Communications, York, PA; All Rights Reserved,
  including republication in any form.

If you enjoy this list, please consider financially supporting it:
   [removed]

For Help: [removed]@[removed]

To Unsubscribe: [removed]@[removed]

To Subscribe: [removed]@[removed]
  or see [removed]

For Help with the Archive Server, send the command ARCHIVE HELP
  in the SUBJECT of a message to [removed]@[removed]

To contact the listmaster, mail to listmaster@[removed]

To Send Mail to the list, simply send to [removed]@[removed]