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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2007 : Issue 341
A Part of the [removed]!
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
radio ads [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
WNBC [ "Michael Muderick" <michael@muderic ]
TV to Radio [ Larry Gassman <lgsinger@[removed] ]
Kids Western Show [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]
Kid's Quiz Show [ Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed]; ]
Re: We Hold These Truths [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
12-5 births/deaths [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]
WNBC/WONS/WPOP [ Robert Paine <ka3zci@[removed]; ]
TV shows to radio [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
#OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig [ charlie@[removed] ]
Bongs without chirps [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
Holiday Oldtime Radio Marathon this [ "Robert Acosta" <boacosta@[removed] ]
Looking for . . .? [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:36:41 -0500
From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: radio ads
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I don't know if these would qualify as ads or not, but here goes.
On "Information Please", sponsored by Lucky Strike cigarettes:
Auctioneer chants: "It's half past eight, half past eight"
Radio announcer: "It's half past eight America, time to light up a
Lucky and try to stump the experts!"
Another OTR Fan,
Kenneth Clarke
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 14:18:23 -0500
From: "Michael Muderick" <michael@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: WNBC
Excerpted from History of NYC AM RAdio--
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Original calls, taken from an alphabetical list, were WDAM, however they
were deemed too profane.
On May 29, 1922, the next available calls were assigned: WEAF.
WEAF stood for "Water, Earth, Air, Fire", the four elements of matter.
On August 16, 1922, WEAF hit the air on 360 meters (or 833 AM on our
present AM band.)
.....In August 1946, "Buffalo" Bob Smith began hosting WEAF's morning
show, then left in 1951 to concentrate on "Howdy Doody."
Later in 1946, NBC came to an agreement with a small station in New
Britain CT to relinquish that city's initials from its call letters and on
November 2, 1946 at 5:30p, WEAF presented its last broadcast, entitled
"Hail And Farewell," and at 6p turned into WNBC.
Michael Muderick
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:25:17 -0500
From: Larry Gassman <lgsinger@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: TV to Radio
I was surprised that noone got Hopalong Casidy long time ago.
Larry Gassman
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:00:34 -0500
From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Kids Western Show
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Say, would that kid's western show be Wild Bill Hickok, starring Guy Madison
as Wild Bill Hickok. and Andy Devine as Jingles P. Jones, sponsored by
kellogg's Sugar Pop's?
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:01:14 -0500
From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Kid's Quiz Show
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Could that be "Juvenile Jury?"I got excited and jumped the gun a little late
and asked if that was the"Wild Bill Hickok" show. I backtracked and found you
already posted it! Kick me !!!The only one I can think of would be Hopalong
Cassidy. The radio shows were pre-recorded in 1948-1949. By the time the
radio show got the go-ahead to premier broadcast them was, either 1949 or
1950. So television could have jumped the gun and broadcast the television
shows first in 1949, as the first shows were cut down versions of 1948-49
movies to fit a 30 minute time slot with Andy Clyde and Rand brooks that
Hoppy produced [removed] In the early 1950's he produced made for TV Hoppy
shows, with Edgar Buchanan as his sidekick, "Red Connors."
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:03:31 -0500
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: We Hold These Truths
Andrew Steinberg said:
I believe there were two broadcasts of this show
with different casts. The West Coast broadcast
is the more famous one
>From what Corwin himself has written in the preface to the published script,
and from his biography it is evident that it would have been absolutely
impossible for there to have been two broadcasts of this program that night.
What we have is the single broadcast that night, aired simultaneously on all
four networks and many independent stations. First of all, President
Roosevelt was so busy that night that he didn't even have time to listen to
the broadcast he was following, let alone give the speech twice. There WAS
a rehearsal that started about an hour and a half before air time, but I
believe that Corwin has said that the recording has been lost. He has
commented that Orson Welles' cold reading of his segment was even more
stirring in the rehearsal than in the broadcast, but alas, that performance
is gone.
but there is an AFRS recording of another broadcast
of We Hold These Truths with a different cast including
Jackson Beck and Mason Adams. Does anyone know
the date of that broadcast?
I don't see any listing of this on Corwin's site. The only repeat was done
for the 50th anniversary of the original in 1991, and looking at the CD of
it, neither Beck nor Adams is listed in the large cast. While Corwin
re-wrote the script especially for this performance, he did not direct it.
David Ossman directed it for Otherworld Media and WETA.
I guess we'll just have to ask Corwin when he appears again on YesterdayUSA
on Friday.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:03:39 -0500
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 12-5 births/deaths
December 5th births
12-05-1883 - May Davenport Seymour - Boston, MA - d. 10-5-1967
actor: Mrs. Allen and Mrs. Porter "Against the Storm"
12-05-1886 - Rose Wilder Lane - De Smet, SD - d. 10-30-1968
writer: (Daughter of Laura Ingalls Wilder) "Hallmark Hall of Fame";
"Helen Hayes Theatre"
12-05-1890 - Fritz Lang - Vienna, Austria - d. 8-2-1976
film director: "Bud's Bandwagon"
12-05-1892 - Al Boasberg - Buffalo, NY - d. 6-18-1937
writer: "Jack Benny Program"
12-05-1901 - Grace Moore - Jellico, TN - d. 1-26-1947
opera singer: "General Motors Concerts"; "Speed Show"; "Vicks Open
House"
12-05-1901 - Walt Disney - Chicago, IL - d. 12-15-1966
actor: Mickey Mouse "Mickey Mouse Theatre of the Air"
12-05-1903 - Fred Van Deventer - Tipton, IN - d. 12-2-1971
newscaster, panelist: "Vandeventer and the News"; "Twenty Questions"
12-05-1904 - Harold Huber - NYC - d. 9-29-1959
actor: Hercule Poirot "Hercule Poirot"; Fu Manchu "Shadow of Fu Manchu"
12-05-1906 - Otto Preminger - Vienna, Austria - d. 4-23-1986
actor, film producer, director: "Fun In Print"; "Listen to the People"
12-05-1906 - William Spier - d. 5-30-1973
producer, director: "Advs. of Sam Spade"; "Suspense"
12-05-1907 - Reid Kilpatrick - Michigan - d. 8-11-1983
host: "Quiz of Two Cities"
12-05-1912 - Hans Wolf - Hamburg, Germany - d. 8-5-2005
conducted operas and symphonies for radio
12-05-1918 - Ralph Blizard - Kingsport, TN - d. 12-3-2004
fiddler: At age 12 formed "The Southern Ramblers"; Appeared on many
Tri-cities radio stations
12-05-1922 - Alan Freed - Johnstown, PA - d. 1-20-1965
disc jockey: "Moondog Show"; "Alan Freed Show"; "Camel Rock and Roll
Party"
December 5th deaths
02-18-1920 - Howard Rodman - New York - d. 12-5-1985
writer: "The American School of the Air"
03-09-1914 - Fred Clark - Lincoln, CA - d. 12-5-1968
actor: "This Is Your FBI"; "Amos 'n' Andy Show"
04-05-1910 - Jim Alderman - d. 12-5-1992
newscaster: Dallas, Texas
05-06-1900 - Dave Elman - Park River, ND - d. 12-5-1967
emcee: (The Dean of American Hobbyists) "Hobby Lobby"
05-08-1915 - John Archer (Ralph Bowman) - Lincoln, NE - d. 12-5-1999
actor: Lamont Cranston/Shadow "The Shadow"; "Gateway to Hollywood"
06-18-1897 - Henry Wadsworth - Maysville, KY - d. 12-5-1974
actor: Alabama Randall "Jane Arden"
07-24-1802 - Alexandre Dumas - Aisne, France - d. 12-5-1870
writer: "Works adapted for radio
09-15-1923 - Arvell Shaw - St. Louis, MO - d. 12-5-2002
jazz bassist: "Floor Show"; "Damon Runyon Memorial Concert"; "Jubilee"
10-12-1907 - Bob Ancell - d. 12-5-1988
disk jockey: WTVN Columbus, Ohio
11-03-1912 - Gilbert Mack - NYC - d. 12-5-2005
actor: Impy the Midget "Cloak and Daggeer"; "This is My Story"
11-29-1917 - George Walsh - Cleveland, OH - d. 12-5-2005
announcer: "Gunsmoke"; "Music 'Til Dawn"
12-07-1906 - Fred Stewart - Atlanta, GA - d. 12-5-1970
actor: "The Columbia Workshop"
12-16-1907 - Albert Gore, Sr. - Granville, TN - d. 12-5-1998
[removed] senator tennessee: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
12-18-1904 - Montana Slim - Guysborough, Novia Scotia - d. 12-5-1996
singer: Had his own show on CBS
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:24:25 -0500
From: Robert Paine <ka3zci@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: WNBC/WONS/WPOP
WNBC, New Britain CT, is now WPOP. The information
I've been able to get hold of indicates the station
signed on either 3/12/35 or 7/15/35, as WMFE on 1380
with 250 watts. There may have been another callsign
before WMFE which, in turn, is said to have been
changed to WNBC one day after signon. From that time
until 1942 it was a New Britain station and, around
1938, established an auxiliary studio in Hartford. On
6/16/42 the city of license (COL) became Hartford, as
it moved to its remote studio. Call became WHTD about
10/44 and WONS in the fall of 1946. ONS is said to
have stood for O'Neill Station, for William O'Neill of
General Tire, which purchased the station's
then-owner, The Yankee Network. On 2/14/54, the call
changed to WGTH, when it merged with WTHT, the
Hartford Times' station. (I prefer to think that WTHT
absorbed WONS, but that's not the [removed];G>) In
7/56, the station was sold to Tele-Broadcasters of
Connecticut, Inc., and sometime later, the call again
changed to WPOP. I worked for the former [removed]
WIOF/W104 FM when Merv Griffin owned it and WPOP. WNBC
was not being used when the call letters succeeded the
WEAF call in 1946. Later, NBC bought the former
WKNB-TV, Ch. 30, New Britain, changed its New York Ch.
4 to WRCA and the WNBC call went to Ch. 30. The TV and
radio stations assigned to New Britain had no direct
connection except for callsign. Probably more than you
may have wanted to know about the station. The late
Bill Murtough could have given you some direct info,
as he worked for WNBC in the 30s, I believe. BTW, much
of the infomation contained in this post comes from
the Ed Brouder WPOP tribute site, and I give him more
credit for the content than my own research turned up.
Check out his site; a great tribute to the rock era of WPOP.
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 01:25:00 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: TV shows to radio
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 17:44:41 -0500
From: jack and cathy french <otrpiano@[removed];
A few other series were not counted in the original eight even though
technically they would qualify. TWO FOR THE MONEY began on TV on
9-30-52 and a week later the radio version was on the air. MEET MR.
MCNUTLEY (with Ray Milland) originated on TV on 9-17-53 at 8 PM and
the radio version appeared an hour later on the same date.
I remember the radio version of Two for the Money, but I always
thought that was, like so many other shows, a radio-to-television
progression.
BTW, "Strike it Rich" was another quiz show that was on both radio
and television. What was the sequence for that one?
I never knew there was a radio version of Meet Mr. McNutley. The TV
version went through a strange metamorphosis. For the second season,
it was called the Ray Milland Show, and the character's name was
changed to "McNulty." He had the same TV wife and was still a
college professor, but I think they also changed the university at
which he taught.
So we're still missing two series. In the spirit of Christmas giving,
I'll provide some clues to the remaining duo. One was a kids' western
adventure and the other was a popular panel show.
Well, Rin Tin Tin has already been mentioned. If that's not the one
you were thinking of, perhaps it was The Cisco Kid. I know there was
both a radio and television show, but I don't know the sequence.
I'm drawing a complete blank on the panel show.
--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
92 State Street, Suite 700 Fax [removed]
Boston, MA 02109-2004 [removed]
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 02:12:01 -0500
From: charlie@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!
A weekly [removed]
For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
Network, the channel name is #OldRadio. We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
real-time OTR talk!
Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
it's always a good time!
For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
week and every week!
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:12:05 -0500
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Bongs without chirps
One of the things I recall best about my early days as a TV viewer was the
bongs that came at the top of every hour of CBS programming as a new feature
was introduced -- seemingly -- identical to the bongs we still hear on CBS
Radio today a second or so following the infamous, inevitable chirps. There
were no chirps on TV but I distinctly remember that at 7 o'clock on Monday
night, for example, in that pre-daylight saving time era for us, there was a
clear bong at 7:00:00 followed by a recorded orchestra striking up a few
bars of "Love Nest" and soon Harry Von Zell exclaiming "The George Burns and
Gracie Allen Show!"
That tradition could be applied to Valiant Lady weekdays at 11 [removed] in the
pre-DST epoch, to The Jackie Gleason Show at 7 or 8 [removed] Saturdays depending
on time of year, Sixty Minutes on Sundays, et al. ad infinitum.
My questions in regard to this innovation are: When did the bongs cease ...
and why?
Now, on another matter, I distinctly recall hearing Arthur Godfrey report
one late 1940s morning on his "Time" show that "We're not allowed to say
"'This is CBS, the Columbia Broadcasting System' any more ... we are
supposed to say 'This is the CBS Radio Network.'" Does anybody recall that
switchover? Apparently it still holds true today as nobody on the air (to
my knowledge) regularly identifies the programming -- whatever is left of
it -- as Columbia Broadcasting System-originated.
Just a few thoughts in passing. That topic has been of paramount interest
to me as evidenced by a volume I penned, "Say Goodnight, Gracie: The Last
Years of Network Radio" ([removed]). It's still of infinite
intrigue. And there is so much many of us are still learning about that
intoxicating, fascinating period in our national broadcasting history. I'm
always anxious to learn more from others willing to share their knowledge,
impressions and observations. You may contact me off-list or provide your
insights for others to benefit from.
Jim Cox
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Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 12:18:39 -0500
From: "Robert Acosta" <boacosta@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Holiday Oldtime Radio Marathon this weekend.
Hello Old Time Radio friends,
We would like to invite you to attend our Holiday Marathon on:
[removed] on Saturday and Sunday August 8/9, from 9 am to 9
pm Pacific time.
To fully access our audio community room you will need a microphone and some
speakers. However, you may also text chat with us.
For more information please feel free to write Robert Acosta at
boacosta@[removed].
Thank you.
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Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 09:10:46 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Looking for . . .?
I am looking for the following archives and have been having difficulty.
Anyone know where these might be?
Buck Houghton archives
Bert Granet archives
Herbert Hirschman archives
Ralph W. Nelson archives
The fifth on the list, William Froug, I found at UCLA and his archive did
indeed have radio scripts from such shows as Columbia Workshop, Romance,
Suspense, and other radio programs.
If anyone can point me in the right direction, it would be appreciated.
best,
Martin
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