Subject: [removed] Digest V2007 #160
From: [removed]@[removed]
Date: 5/31/2007 8:21 PM
To: [removed]@[removed]

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2007 : Issue 160
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  re: interested                        [ Scott Benson <alchemy541@[removed] ]
  How I got into [removed]                 [ illoman@[removed] ]
  Re: Interest in Radio                 [ Don Shenbarger <donslistmail@sbcglo ]
  It all started in a small, 10,000-wa  [ "Pamela K. Gitta" <wjmtv@[removed] ]
  Answer to Ronald Sayles question      [ Frank McGurn <[removed]@sbcglobal. ]
  BBC Radio drama                       [ Graeme Stevenson <graemeotr@[removed] ]
  Re: interest in OTR                   [ Gary <yraginnh@[removed]; ]
  How did I get into radio?             [ "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@[removed] ]
  "Old," "New," - "Good" is what matte  [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  Richard Zoglin                        [ Allen J Hubin <ajhubin@[removed]; ]
  OTR clues in crossword puzzles        [ Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed] ]
  Amouse & Andre/Amos 'N Andy           [ Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed] ]
  Superman Vs. The KKK                  [ jiminks@[removed] ]
  FWD: Re:Superman fights the Klan      [ Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed] ]
  BBD&O                                 [ "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed] ]
  6-1 births/deaths                     [ Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed] ]

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:16:55 -0400
From: Scott Benson <alchemy541@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  re: interested

 I am at the "advanced" age of  _40_ .  I got hooked on Burns and Allen
on the television probably when I was 14( obviously reruns). I had my
first tv in my room - a genuine black and white at the time :)

 Fast forward to last year: my wife and I are talking about some of the
innocent fun shows we remember and why not let the kids listen to some
of this [removed] internet [removed] hey there are some OTR of them and
I have heard of Jack Benny, Amos n [removed] let's go ahead and grab a
few discs worth.
 My son is 12 and loving ' Yours Truly Johnny Dollar' Old Harry's Game,
Aldrich Family, Archie,[removed] went over well with him also. My 9 yr
old daughter likes Nero Wolfe, Johnny Dollar, Aldrich Family, Amos n
[removed]
 It's been down hill ever since ;)  I have about 30,000 shows and
growing on a weekly basis. More importantly the kids are hooked on these
shows and listen to them during sleep overs .... :)

Scott

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Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:20:07 -0400
From: illoman@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  How I got into [removed]

How did those of you who who are not of
such an "advanced" age get interested in radio? With me it is two
things, nostalgia and a pathological dislike of television.

Ron Sayles

Ron, I was born in 1960. When I was in grade school, the teacher played War
of the Worlds for us. Being an artist I am visually oriented, and this show
just blew my mind. Then another teacher had a flexi disc of the Shadow (The
House That Death Built) and that REALLY blew my mind!! I still have that same
flexi disc to this day. The nostalgia craze was also starting up in the 70's,
and my folks introduced me to WC Fields, the Marx Bros, Laurel and Hardy,
etc. I recall sending in for cassettes of OTR from bags of Fritos or some
snack. I got a Marx Bros tape, and being a monster fan, a Lights Out tape
w/Boris Karloff. I also listened religiously to the CBS Radio Mystery
Theater, every night at 11pm in the summer when I could stay up late.

then I drifted away from radio, and just about ten years ago did an internet
search for Boris Karloff radio shows, bought some, and got the radio bug all
over again. Now my collection has surpassed 10,000 shows. I have more than I
will ever get to listen to!

Mike

PS: I also abhor most teevee [removed]

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:26:37 -0400
From: Don Shenbarger <donslistmail@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Interest in Radio
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On 5/30/2007, Ron Sayles wrote:
I am in my 70s so I grew up with radio, not getting a television
set 'till I was 14 years old. How did those of you who who are not of
such an "advanced" age get interested in radio?

I am ten years younger. I don't recall listening to pre-dj radio
except for the WLS National Barn Dance. I also used our radio to play
my radio records. The record changer had a wire antenna that
broadcast to our table radio and had to be tuned in. By the time I
was thirteen, I had an amateur radio license and had built my first
Heathkit which was a general coverage receiver I used for my station receiver.

Sometime about 1960 I became a fan of Franklyn MacCormack and lost a
lot of sleep listening to his program.

My interest in older radio drama happened when I had to deal with
tinnitus, a consequence of malaria medication and an irritation that
keeps me awake if there isn't something sensible in the background. I
discovered several Sherlock Holmes radio series and then many other
mystery and detective series and bought all the tapes I could find
from every supplier I could find. Over the years I've worn out and
replaced tapes, tape players and MP3 players. My MP3 player runs all night.

Don Shenbarger

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 01:13:00 -0400
From: "Pamela K. Gitta" <wjmtv@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  It all started in a small, 10,000-watt radio
 [removed]

How did those of you who who are not of such an "advanced" age
get interested in radio?

I discovered radio with the CBS Mystery Theatre on KNX back in the late '70s
(Los Angeles). I was in my teens. In college, I found John & Larry Gassman
and joined SPERDVAC. I've been a member for about 20 years now, but being a
lazy person, can't tell you how thrilled I am at the number of shows I can
get my mitts on via the internet. Holy cow.

I don't know if it's because I'm such a voracious reader, but I never had a
problem visualizing what was happening on a radio show, which seems to be
the problem for many of my generation (they won't even watch stuff in black
& white. . .man, what they're missing. . .). I also prefer radio when it's
time for a baseball game, though for football I have to turn on the tube.

Nostalgia is a lot of it--nostalgia for a time I never knew and wish I did.
There's something to be said for a childhood in which the worst thing that
ever happens is that Judge Bullard's niece picks on you.

Pam

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:46:33 -0400
From: Frank McGurn <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Answer to Ronald Sayles question

Well Ron, I am in the second half of my 70'sand we got our first TV
when I was about 18. When I turned on TV I turned off radio, except for
driving to and from work you know Diskjockys and five minute news
[removed] more network radio.

Fast forward to 1971 I read in the Chicago Tribune that  a guy named
Chuck Schaden, who has a radio program that was going to broadcast
Abbott & Costello's "Who's on First"  . I hadn't it years  so I turned
on my  new  Panasonic  portable  to WNMP in Evanston, Illinois a very
small station that I could just get a weak signal in Oak Park, Illinois
where I live about  20 or  25 miles away.

So I tuned in every Saturday up to last Saturday  and I will  tune in
next Saturday and the next and so on, on my computer. Chuck is now on
WDCB in Glen Ellen, ILL.

Why do I still listen to OTR ?  Well I stopped listening to network
radio in 1948 because TV was the only [removed] I loved Radio and when I
listened to Chuck I realized how much radio I missed in the 50"s and
60"s., and as kid I also missed a lot of radio because I was a busy
teenager always on the go, and no radio while doing homework etc. In
those days if you missed a show that it was gone for [removed] know better
now days. thank to OTR collectors.

The radio network in the late 40's,59's 7 69's still had markets in
areas where there was no TV , because the transmission cables were not
to all parts of the country as yet. So the radio shows like Gunsmoke,
Fort Laramie, Our Miss Brooks and many others
were great and I missed them.

Now, Ronald Sayles, how did you get to be the keeper of the big book of
Births and Deaths, and why ?

Still Hooked on OTR
Frank McGurn
McHenry, Ill,

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:46:54 -0400
From: Graeme Stevenson <graemeotr@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  BBC Radio drama
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An interesting website for those of you with an interest in BBC Radio drama :

  [removed]

  ( Note the UK spelling of 'theatre' )

  Graeme Stevenson  Editor : Tune into Yesterday newsletter, UK

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:47:21 -0400
From: Gary <yraginnh@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: interest in OTR

Ronald Sayles asked:

How did those of you who who are not of
such an "advanced" age get interested in radio?

I grew up with early television.  My family got tv
early on, but they always used to talk about radio
shows, so I, at least knew it existed.  When I was in
my late 40s I received a box set as a gift of humorous
shows.  THEN I discovered OTR and have been enjoying
it and along with early tv shows since.  I have very
little interest in most tv shows today and glady
listen to the mind picture medium.  Gary in NH
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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:47:41 -0400
From: "Holm, Chris " <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  How did I get into radio?

In #159, Ron Sayles asked:

How did those of you who who are not of such an
"advanced" age get interested in radio? With me
it is two things, nostalgia and a pathological
dislike of television.

This 32-year-old got into radio the same way you did, by growing up
listening to it.  I grew up in DC and in my house we listened to The Big
Broadcast on WAMU every Sunday night.  Due to the wonders of the modern
age, I can still listen to it every week, despite living in Michigan.

I do not, however, share  your dislike of television.  I find some great
programming amid all the junk on the TV, and I don't forget the fact
that for every Jack Benny or Gunsmoke, there were hours and hours of
really bad radio.

-chris holm

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:38:57 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "Old," "New," - "Good" is what matters!

Dear Ron-

From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];

I am in my 70s so  I grew up with radio ... How did those of you who who are
not of such an  "advanced" age get interested in radio?

Always a thread worth a periodical [removed]
As one born in '58, I love hearing stories from your generation; nice  to
hear of someone interested in those of mine!

Are you a SPERDVAC member? Though I running a little behind (sorry, Patrick
& Barbera), the RADIOGRAM will be printing my "how did you & radio  meet?"
saga.
(An essay written as a preface to Jim Harmon's latest tome, that was cut  for
space.)

With me it is two things, nostalgia

As a guy who reads old comics, I can [removed]

and a pathological dislike of television.

...but I also watch old TV.
And some new; I must say, the more OTR I hear, the more I am convinced that
the ratio of pap/gold was about the same then as now!

All best,
-Craig Wichman

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:39:09 -0400
From: Allen J Hubin <ajhubin@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Richard Zoglin

According to [removed], he's age 58.

Al Hubin

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:07:01 -0400
From: Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed];
To: OTRDIGEST <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  OTR  clues in crossword puzzles
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  A rather recent enthusiast of crossword puzzles, it's interesting to see
otr related words

  and clues [such as Gracie, Amos (of Amos N Andy), etc.] be included.  Has
anyone

  else noticed a background in otr helping them with this hobby?

  Melanie

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:12:34 -0400
From: Melanie Aultman <otrmelanie@[removed];
To: OTRDIGEST <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Amouse & Andre/Amos 'N Andy
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I noticed a short "Black Americana" joke book titled Amouse & Andre for sale
on EBay. Does anyone know anything about it and which  came first-Amouse &
Andre or Amos 'N  Andy?  I didn't see a date for this publication.  Or maybe
there is no relation between the two pairs?

  Melanie

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:13:34 -0400
From: jiminks@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Superman Vs. The KKK
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Quite a while back, there was a discussion on this list regarding the
validity of Steston Kennedy's claims that he supplied the Adv. of Superman
with info on the [removed] Was a consensus ever reached on this?

-Jim Amash

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[ADMINISTRIVIA: As far as I can tell, he _did_ supply some information to the
Superman writers, but not nearly as much as the Freakonomics authors have
pushed into the urban legends. It's likely the information Kennedy supplied
to various news sources, particularly Drew Pearson, did more damage to the
Klan than the information included in "The Clan of the Fiery Cross."

I'll forward my original posting from February, 2006 next, so you can see
what I came up with.  --cfs3]

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:18:30 -0400
From: Charlie Summers <charlie@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  FWD: Re:Superman fights the Klan

   *** Originally Posted Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:51:14 -0500 ***

At 10:07 AM -0500 2/24/06, Alan Bell is rumored to have typed:

The question, of course, is, when did those episodes
air and are they in circulation?

   They didn't; at least not the way it's described in Freakonomics. The
series is "Clan of the Fiery Cross," which is readily available, and there is
a grand total of ONE "secret ritual" noted therein which I haven't been able
to verify as legitimate. If you listen to the storyline, you'll find the
writers went out of their way to obfuscate "passwords and rituals" that were
well known _before_ Kennedy's involvement - leaders were called by
intentionally fictitious names, etc. It's a powerful storyline, one of the
"intolerance" lines that has a speech given by one of the "clansmen" that
will curdle your blood and should be heard by every schoolchild today, but
I've been able to find no evidence the over-blown Super-effect first
mentioned in a 1947 New Republic article and embellished over the years ever
happened. This is NOT to minimize Kennedy's anti-Klan efforts, only the
Adventures of Superman connection.

   Kennedy likely did share info with the Superman writers, but I'm betting
the information he shared with Drew Pearson had a whole lot more to do with
that particular chapter's downfall than the Superman series. When Kennedy was
interviewed on The Bob Edwards Show on XM, he too seemed to downplay the
Superman connection while mentioning some specifics that I could _not_ find
in the storyline (although the producer of the segmnent, Andy Danyo, did use
that one ritual piece in the show).

   [EDIT: I referenced a posting by R. R. King documenting information in
Pearson's column posted in 2005. I can dig that out if there's any interest.
--cfs3]

         Charlie
--
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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:48:24 -0400
From: "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  BBD&O

Batton, Barton, Durstin and [removed]

I think it was Fred Allen who described this corporate name as the sound of
a bowling ball bouncing down a flight of [removed]

Bill Knowlton

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Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:09:31 -0400
From: Ronald Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  6-1 births/deaths

June 1st births

06-01-1870 - Frank Cooley - Natchez, MS - d. 7-6-1941
actor: Reverend McArthur/Fred Thompson "One Man's Family"
06-01-1878 - John Masefield - Ledbury, England - d. 5-12-1967
writer: "Against the Storm"
06-01-1887 - Clive Brook - London, England - d. 11-17-1974
actor: Sherlock Holmes "Sherlock Holmes"
06-01-1888 - Louis Mason - Danville, KY - d. 11-12-1959
actor: Clem Betts "Moonshine and Honeysuckle"
06-01-1890 - Frank Morgan - NYC - d. 9-18-1949
actor: Thaddeus Q. Tweedy "Fabulous Dr. Tweedy"
06-01-1898 - Edward "Cookie" Fairchild - NYC - d. 2-20-1975
conductor: "Johnny Presents Ginny Simms"; "Eddie Cantor Show"
06-01-1898 - Molly Picon - NYC - d. 4-5-1992
actor: "I Give You My Life"; "Molly Picon's Parade"
06-01-1900 - Werner Janssen - NYC - d. 9-19-1990
music: "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
06-01-1901 - John Van Druten - London, England - d. 12-19-1957
writer: "Radio Guild"; "Chase and Sanborn Hour"; "Theatre Guild On
the Air"
06-01-1905 - Robert Newton - Shaftesbury, England - d. 3-25-1956
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
06-01-1909 - Ray Heatherton - Jersey City, NJ - d. 8-15-1997
singer, host: "Old Gold Hour"; "Musical Cruise with Spearmint Crew"
06-01-1911 - Erik Rolf - Chicago, IL - d. 5-28-1957
actor: Hans Simon "Joyce Jordan, [removed]"; Thor Nielsen "Prairie Folks"
06-01-1915 - John Randolph - NYC - d. 2-24-2004
actor: "New World A' Coming"; "A Date with Judy"
06-01-1915 - Johnny Bond - Enville, OK - d. 6-12-1978
singer, comedian: "Gene Autry's Melody Ranch"; "Hollywood Barn Dance"
06-01-1917 - Donald Dame - Titusville, PA - d. 1-21-1952
singer: "Music for an Hour"; "American Album of Familiar Music"
06-01-1917 - Maggi McNellis - Chicago, IL - d. 5-24-1989
hostess: "Maggi's Private Wire"; "Leave It to the Girls"
06-01-1919 - Kathleen Norris - Newark, OH - d. 6-15-2005
writer, announcer: "By Kathleen Norris"; "Bright Horizon"
06-01-1920 - Elaine Kent - NYC
actor: Jo March "Little Women"; Iris Houston "Lora Lawton"
06-01-1920 - Robert Clarke - Oklahoma City, OK - d. 6-11-2005
actor: "Richard Diamond, Private Detective"; "Cavalcade of America"
06-01-1921 - Nelson Riddle - Oradell, NJ - d. 10-7-1985
composer, conductor: "On a Sunday Afternoon"; "Sears Radio Theatre"
06-01-1922 - Joan Caulfield - East Orange, NJ - d. 6-18-1991
actor: "Hallmark Playhouse"; "Great Scenes from Great Plays"
06-01-1922 - Joan Copeland - NYC
actor: "Cavalcade of America"; "Faces Of Love"; "CBS Radio Mystery
Theatre"
06-01-1925 - Richard Erdman - Enid, OK
actor: "Empire of the Air"; "We Hold These Truths"
06-01-1926 - Andy Griffith - Mount Airy, NC
host comedy night: "Sears Radio Theatre"
06-01-1926 - Marilyn Monroe - Los Angeles, CA - d. 8-5-1962
actor: "Hollywood Star Playhouse"; "Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy Show"
06-01-1930 - Edward Woodward - Croydon, Surrey, England
actor: "Price of Fear"
06-01-1934 - Pat Boone - Jacksonville, FL
singer: "Arthur Godfrey Time"; "Special Delivery: Vietnam"
06-01-1940 - Rene Auberjonois - New York, NY
actor: "Empire of the Air"

June 1st deaths

01-01-1897 - Walter Greaza - St. Paul, MN - d. 6-1-1973
actor: "Columbia Workshop"; "Suspense"
01-10-1911 - Don Lowe - Hartford, CT - d. 6-1-1991
announcer, emcee: "David Harding, Counterspy"; "The Fat Man"
01-17-1919 - Dallas Townsend - NYC - d. 6-1-1995
newscaster: "CBS World News Roundup"; "World Tonight"
02-15-1883 - Sax Rohmer - London, England - d. 6-1-1959
writer: "Fu Manchu detective novels
04-01-1922 - William Manchester - Attleboro, MA - d. 6-1-2004
author, historian: "Meet the Press"; "Biography in Sound"
04-03-1893 - Leslie Howard - London, England - d. 6-1-1943
actor: "Leslie Howard Theatre"; "Streamlined Shakespeare"
04-10-1910 - Peg La Centra - Boston, MA - d. 6-1-1996
singer, actor: "Court of Human Relations"; "For Men Only"; "Gulden
Melodies"
04-18-1918 - Page Gilman - San Francisco, CA - d. 6-1-2006
actor: Jack Barbour "One Man's Family"; "Memory Lane"
06-27-1880 - Helen Keller - Tuscumbia, AL - d. 6-1-1968
deaf and blind lecturer: "Fleischmann's Yeast Hour"; "Meet the Press"
07-06-1894 - Shelly Lee Alley - Alleyton, Texas - d. 6-1-1964
songwriter, musician, vocalist: WFAA Dallas, Texas
08-25-1918 - Richard Greene - Plymouth, England - d. 6-1-1985
actor: "Somerset Maugham Theatre"; "This Is Hollywood"; "Cavalcade of
America"
09-05-1897 - Arthur Nielsen - Chicago, IL - d. 6-1-1980
Founder of the Nielsen Ratings
09-20-1919 - Francis Heflin - Oklahoma City, OK - d. 6-1-1994
actor: (Sister of Van Heflin) "Aunt Jenny"; "Big Sister"
10-11-1902 - Leon Belasco - Odessa, Ukraine, Russia - d. 6-1-1988
actor: Pagan Zeldschmidt "A Man Called X)
10-23-1896 - Nathan Abas - d. 6-1-1980
orchestra director, violinist: "Northern California Symphony Orchestra"
12-09-1915 - Bob Emerick - Tacoma, WA - d. 6-1-1973
announcer: "Two Thousand Plus"; "Mr. Feathers"; "Special Agent"

Ron Sayles

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