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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 346
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Green Hornet Bares All [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
Personal Comments on Education & OTR [ "Harry Machin, Jr." <harbev5@earthl ]
Credits [ otrbuff@[removed] ]
RED'S PLEDGE [ "David Phaneuf" <otr_fan@[removed]; ]
SKIP WAVES BROADCASTS [ "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed]; ]
Jack Armstrong on the Silver Screen [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
Re: Terry & the Pirates [ "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed] ]
Lucile Fletcher [ "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@neb. ]
FOTR Convention [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
request for an address [ "Peter Appleyard" <pappleyard80@hot ]
L-A-V-A [ Richard Carpenter <sinatra@ragingbu ]
"Family Theater" information [ "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed] ]
WOTW [ Greg Addington <gregadd@[removed]; ]
Philco Pushbuttons [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
Re: Family Theater Request [ Roger Lorette <webmaster@cyber49er. ]
Radio Spirits catalog [ bkeller@[removed] (Bob Keller) ]
Re: Seeking Philco radio pushbuttons [ passage@[removed] ]
NBCSO Rehearsal Recordings [ Robert Fells <rfells@[removed]; ]
CD-Rs Again [ Robert Fells <rfells@[removed]; ]
Today in radio history [ Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed]; ]
Ed Gardner & Shirley Booth [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
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Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 22:27:52 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Green Hornet Bares All
Mike Kuypers, speculating on which episode Britt Reid revealed his Green
Hornet identity to Miss Case, notes,
My guess is there was no specific episode in which he told her or she
found out. There was an "understanding" between them.
As I recall, "Casey," who was a pretty smart young lady, was able to put
two and two together and became increasingly certain that Britt was the
daring and resourceful masked rider in the Black Beauty. She used to
drop helpful hints in conversations with Britt, such as, "Well, if I were
the Green Hornet, I'd ..." and then provide some information she'd picked
up on her own. Finally, by the time he took her into his confidence, it
was something of an anticlimax.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:03:02 -0500
From: "Harry Machin, Jr." <harbev5@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Personal Comments on Education & OTR
I've been away from my computer for
sometime, but after getting as far as
#318, I have to comment on a recent
topic, reading and writing skills.
My father was born in 1891 and only
had an 8th grade education. But he
could read and write as well as many
of my college students. His letters to me
were neatly written and his grammar
was always correct.
My mother ([removed]) graduated from the
12th grade and then taught school. I have
several of her grade school readers (first
three years). I was just looking through
her third grade McGuffys Eclectic Reader
and the level of the readings would equal
much of today's high school materials.
After my Korean War stint (navy), I spent
9 years in college/university and began, in
1964, teaching philosophy and logic courses
to college Freshmen and Sophmores. I saw
the steady degeneration of language skills
from 1964 to my retirement in 1999.
Here is an interesting point about the "TV
Generation." I learned, the hard way, that
most of my students could not learn by
being shown "instructive television." Audio
instruction was generally successful. But
television was only entertainment for them,
and so most could not learn by substituting
TV for certain readings. They did not have
the skill to listen/watch and still take notes
and learn.
My own two sons were raised listening
to OTR and music, both pop & serious.
Reading was always emphasized by my
wife and me. My older son credits his
success as a ad agency copywriter to
growing up listening to the OTR I had
provided. (Writing radio commercials is
a favorite task for him.) My younger son,
after college and two years as a radio
broadcaster, returned to graduate school
and is now finishing up his PhD in
Contemporary European History. Both
sons were especially fond of ILAM and
Adventures By Morse. They would write
their own scripts and act them out with
friends. The impact of OTR rescued them
from the slavish dependence on TV that is
so prevalent today. When we have an
occasion to make long auto trips with our
sons, we all (my wife included) enjoy
listening to OTR together.
Harry Machin, Jr.
Professor Emeritus of Philosophy
St. Louis
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:04:20 -0500
From: otrbuff@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Credits
Mike Giorgio inquires why some actors, especially those in recurring
roles, were credited on the air for their work while others were not.
I'm sure someone more knowledgeable than I am will address this.
For what it's worth, however, one explanation may have been the
personalities involved in decision-making. For instance, I read a few
days ago that one of the directors of Suspense (and I don't want to limit
that to a single individual by name for it may have been widely
practiced) was vowed and determined that the lesser names wouldn't be
read aloud on that show. If I recall correctly, not until late in the
run were the subordinate actors names' run. Someone can correct me (and
certainly will) if I've got the wrong show. Thus, you likely had figures
in the industry like anywhere else, I suppose, who were willing to
receive public acclaim in their own names but for whatever the reason
prevented others (at least some others) from sharing in the limelight.
This same thing was certainly true of many soap operas, particularly
those of the Hummert machine, until late in the runs when the producers
relented and at least allowed hero and heroines' names and occasionally
writers' monikers to be aired. I have often wondered if this was perhaps
in lieu of salary increases or to keep an actor pacified if he threatened
to move from a successful role to something more accommodating. Why
suddenly have a change of heart and give some of them credit for what
they had been doing for decades? I don't have an answer for that but
maybe someone will.
Giorgio asked specifically about credits on Casey, Crime Photographer.
Here is cast information I have gathered on the series that I hope will
be helpful:
Producers:R. L. Landy, A. Renier. Directors:John Dietz, Albert Ward.
Writer:Alonzo Dean Cole, Gail and Harry Ingram, Milton J. Kramer.
Music:Archie Bleyer (orchestra), Lew White (organ). Sound:Jerry
McCarthy, James Rogan, Art Strand. Announcers:Bill Cullen, Bob Hite,
Tony Marvin, Ken Roberts. Leads:Title role played by Matt Crowley and
Jim Backus in its first few months on the air, and from late 1943 until
the end of the run by Staats Cotsworth; Annie Williams, played by Jone
Allison, Alice Reinheart, Lesley Woods, Betty Furness, Jan Miner.
Support Roles:Jackson Beck, Bernard Lenrow (police captain Bill Logan);
John Gibson (Ethelbert); Herman Chittison, Juan Hernandez and Teddy
Wilson (the pianist); also in the cast: Bill Adams, Ed Begley, Ralph
Bell, Peter Capell, Art Carney, Ted de Corsia, Roger De Koven, Joe Di
Santis, Robert Dryden, Hope Emerson, John Griggs, Jack Hartley, Raymond
Edward Johnson, Joseph Julian, Mandel Kramer, James Kreiger, Abby Lewis,
Arnold Moss, Santos Ortega, Bryna Raeburn, Karl Swenson, Miriam Wolfe.
Jim Cox
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:04:47 -0500
From: "David Phaneuf" <otr_fan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RED'S PLEDGE
i evidently missed the original post on this, but if you are referring to Red
Skelton's presentation on the Pledge of [removed] it is one of the most
moving presentations I have heard. It was just re-enacted for us at our
Grand Lodge meetings this past weekend. And as it has been years since I
have heard it (or rather read it) it was very inspiring, especially in the
aftermath of September 11.
I too would like to hear Red's original performance of it.
Dave Phaneuf
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:07:41 -0500
From: "Owens Pomeroy" <opomeroy@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: SKIP WAVES BROADCASTS
Back in the early 70's, when I was hosting an OTR show called "Sounds Like
Yesterday," on WBJC-FM in Baltimore, MD, I received a letter addressed to me
at the station, telling me that my program waa picked up on this certain
individuals radio in - are you ready for this - Cleveland, Ohio! I could
not belive this unti I called him at the number he wrote in his letter. He
said he was scanning the dial and all at once heard Amos & Andy coming
through very clear on his radio. He waited until the end of the program to
see if their was any address given for the station. I did ask anyone to
write me and did give an address. He was so intrested in the program, as
nothing like that was being aired in his vicinity at that time. I plugged
our OTR Club at the end of the broadcast, and he told me he sent for an
application and joined. (He is still a member, BTW).
When I showed the letter to the station engineer, he said it was a "skip
wave<" which is a not too unusual occurance in broadcasting if the weather
is sbsolutly clear, and no interference, a signal will get through to a
distant station without a short-wave band. I wonder if anyone on the thread
has had a similar experience of receiving broadcasts outside of your
listening area?
Owerns
<br><br><br>"Old-Time Radio is like vintage wine. . . it grows better with
age!"
"nostalgia is like a grammar lesson:. . . you find the PRESENT TENSE. . .
but the PAST PERFECT!"
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:08:37 -0500
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jack Armstrong on the Silver Screen
I finally got to see a copy of the Jack Armstrong movie serial. It was
released in 1947, with John Hart playing the _oldest_ "boy" in films.
There is a reasonably strong relationship to the OTR show, but the
storyline is thinner and the action is sillier.
The serial was produced by Columbia (which also produced the
even-further-from-the-original Captain Midnight serial), though the
principals of Jack, Uncle Jim, Billy, and Betty were present. As was Vic
Hardy. At this approximate time in the OTR show, the Vic Hardy
character was being written into the stories (which eventually developed
into the half-hour Armstrong of the FBI program).
The basic plot is that Jack, Uncle Jim, and the others, follow a shipment
of scientific equipment (by triangulation) to a tropical island after Vic
Hardy has been kidnapped. Although they don't know it when they arrive,
secreted in the island is a laboratory run by a scientific genius, Jason
Grood who has developed, we find out as the serial progresses, _two_
death rays and a spacecraft in an attempt to rule the Earth (he says
"universe" at one point, but considering that Grood was played by Charles
Middleton, who was Ming the Merciless in the three Flash Gordon
adventures, the lapse is understandable). There are natives on the
island, who, conveniently speak moderate English, and whose ruler is
Alura, a princess. A native working for Grood's gang, and a priestess of
the native's god, Xalta (pronounced "ex-all-ta"), are controlled by
Grood, who, using hidden speakers to cause the natives to believe they
are hearing the Voice of Xalta (who unaccountably speaks in English;
there is some sort of native language).
As with many Columbia serials, there is a lot of action, mostly fist
fights, and a few shootings and explosions, plus one airplane
crash-landing. Vic Hardy, who seems to be cooperating with Grood,
reveals at the close of the serial that he is a member of a worldwide
organization dedicated to fighting people like Grood. (Can you say SBI?)
Anyone being introduced to Jack Armstrong via the serial will find a bit
of familiarity when listening to the shows, but will probably be
surprised how much more intelligent the radio version of Jack would turn
out to be.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:08:57 -0500
From: "Philip Chavin" <philchav@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Terry & the Pirates
In #343, John Southard asked who the main cast members were in the
1941-42 version of Terry and the Pirates (WGN/Midwest, Libby's juices).
I can name three cast members: John Gibson (as Connie), Emily Vass (as
April Kane), and Bob Griffin (as Dude Hennick). (My info source: Libby's
newsletters to salespersons, dated [removed] 1941.)
It'd be nice to know who played Terry, Pat Ryan, the Dragon Lady, etc.,
in this interesting '41-42 version.
--Phil Chavin
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:09:05 -0500
From: "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@[removed];
To: "old time radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Lucile Fletcher
Hi all:
I have heard a couple of scripts on Suspense, written by Lucile Fletcher.
I've heard, "The Hitch-hiker," and "Sorry, Wrong Number." I am impressed
with her style and ability as a writer. Can someone give me a list of other
things she has written?
Thanks in advance.
RyanO
"Experience is the greatest teacher. Unfortunately, I am it's poorest
student."
Elliott Lange
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:09:49 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: FOTR Convention
On a personal note:
Jay Hickerson and his staff should be publicly acknowledged for putting on a
grand convention this past weekend. A tip o' the hat to them.
It was so great to meet up with all my friends with whom I chat via e-mail
every week, but meet face to face once or twice a year. I attend almost a
dozen conventions every year, more than half of them are film/movie
conventions and the crowds at those are less than polite, sometimes rude,
and often pushy. The attendees at FOTR (and Bob Burchett's Cincy con) are
the most pleasant to mingle with and socialize. I really wish all the
conventions I attend had the same friendly crowd.
As usual, I was able to pick up a few goodies (a CD offering an hour's of
Christmas music from 1920s Victor 78s is my highlight), chat with friends (I
learned of a valuable research source on the web I never heard of) and
bought a couple books that came recommended. Even purchased a few Dr. Who
audio adventures for my little sister, who has gotten into the Dr. Who
craze. Bob Burchett kicked my ass at the pool table (four games in a row,
I'm sad to say) and updated my Quiet Please collection by purchasing better
sound quality masters than the old cassettes I've had for the past few
years. I joined membership to an OTR club I recently heard about, and
brought home a few magazines (and I'm not referring to those free OTR
magazines that were on the flier table all weekend). My father attended for
the first time and he enjoyed the trip. All in all, it was a grand time and
I'll be attending next year.
If you were not able to attend this year, be sure to stop by and visit next
year. What a blast!
Martin Grams, Jr.
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:10:08 -0500
From: "Peter Appleyard" <pappleyard80@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: request for an address
Would someone have an address for Art Pierce that they might send me so I
can write him a letter. Thanks in [removed]
pappleyard80@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:10:28 -0500
From: Richard Carpenter <sinatra@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: L-A-V-A
Forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but Lava Soap, proud
sponsors of "The FBI in Peace and War," is alive and well. In fact, I just
bought a bar. It is now made in Canada for the WD-40 company in San Diego.
Just one thing: Instead of being dull gray, it is now a pleasant shade of
green. But it still works well, as my no-longer-ink-stained fingers can
attest.
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:10:51 -0500
From: "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: "Family Theater" information
Henry Brugsch asked;
I'd like to know where I could find a complete archive of the series,
assuming it exists. ("Family Theater")
Yes, we have a complete log of that excellent series. We also have
all 517
episodes and they are available for purchase on CD and cassette. They are
in excellent sound quality.
If you wish to find out more information on the series, you may go to
my
Website, The Vintage Radio Place at <[removed]>. Go down to the "Main
Table of Contents" and click on "Vintage Radio Logs." Then just click on
"Family Theater," or any of the other over 500 logs listed there to view,
download or print out the log(s). All programs with catalog or location
numbers are available for purchase there also on CD, Cassette and other
formats.
You may also find this series listed in my on-line CD / cassette
catalog
which is located at <[removed]> OTRSite On-Line Catalog. To
use this catalog, your browser must be Frames compliant and you should be
running at a resolution setting of 800x600 or higher for best viewing
(although lower resolution settings may be used).
I hope this helps. If you have any other questions, please feel free to
contact me.
Jerry Haendiges <Jerry@[removed];
[removed] The Vintage Radio Place
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:11:16 -0500
From: Greg Addington <gregadd@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: WOTW
Hi everyone,
I've been keeping up with the posts since subscribing late last year and
truly appreciate all of the knowledge and talent encompassed within the
posts I have read in the last ten months or so that I have been a
subscriber. I have particularly enjoyed the posts from Elizabeth
McLeod, Stephen Kallis, Michael Biel and others. I have also enjoyed
reading the posts from Hal Stone (Hal, although I have yet to listen to
an episode of Archie Andrews, it is quite high on my "to do" list),
Conrad Binyon, Lois Culver and others that are regular contributors.
Your contributions to radio's golden age are appreciated.
Ever since I was a kid in elementary school (I am 31 now), I have always
had a fascination with The War of the Worlds. I listened to the
broadcast on vinyl one day in the 5th grade and was hooked ever since.
I have listened to a few episodes of The Shadow, and an episode or two
of the Inner Sanctum, but Orson "...dressing up in a sheet and jumping
out of a bush and saying boo" always seem to catch my awe. I have spent
some spare time doing a little bit of research on WOTW, and believe that
this email subscription has been invaluable in filling in a few of the
missing pieces in my mind about the broadcast. Jeff Miller's History
of American Broadcasting site has been a great resource as well
([removed]). Jeff has a couple of posts
from Mike Ogden with a few potential cast lists and the roles that were
played 63 years ago, Tuesday night.
>From Howard Koch's book, "The Panic Broadcast", it is clear that both
John Houseman (Producer) and Davidson Taylor (CBS Executive-in-charge of
the broadcast) were both in the control room. Owens Pomeroy's post on
Ladies in Broadcasting a few weeks back mentioned Ora Nichols and her
work on sound effects that night (thanks Owens!), and Bernard Herrman
conducted an 18 piece section of the CBS Symphony during the broadcast.
Does Elizabeth (or anyone else for that matter) knows if anyone else sat
in the control room or contributed to the broadcast outside of the cast
and crew mentioned above? I am particularly interested in who was the
engineer for the broadcast, but any additional information that can be
gleaned would be appreciated.
Greg Addington
Oak Ridge, Tennessee
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:11:35 -0500
From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Philco Pushbuttons
Mark Lambert asked about a source for pushbuttons for a Philco radio.
You might try Larry Bordonaro at Old Time Replications. His email
address is oldtimerep@[removed]. He made pushbuttons for my 1940 Philco
that were exact replicas of the originals.
You might also have your friend double check that model number, as 1938
Philco's would have a 38 as the first two numbers in the model number.
For example a 1938 Philco console with pushbuttons model number was
38-31XF and a 1938 table model with pushbuttons was 38-7C, although
there were other numbers as well. It's important to have the correct
number when ordering replacement parts.
George Aust
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 00:12:04 -0500
From: Roger Lorette <webmaster@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Family Theater Request
Henry Brugsch Wrote:
I have just finally got caught up on my digest
reading for the most part, and lately, I have been
thinking about the trends of media presentation, and
Family Theater in particular. I'd like to know
where I could find a complete archive of the series,
assuming it exists.
As I understand it there are over 500 Family Theater shows in circulation. I
have about 35 of them. If you set up a free account at [removed]
and email me your username I will be able to "streambeam" the shows to you
(anyone else is also welcome to take advantage of the same offer). I have no
affiliation with Streamload. It's a great way to easily send multiple files
to several people with a single upload. I have no affiliation with them but
have found the service useful and it has become my prefered method of sending
files over the net. The only "catch" is that the reciever of the files has
to have an [removed] it's free so it doesn't matter.
Roger Lorette
webmaster@[removed]
[removed] The Old Time Radio Archive.
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 09:01:18 -0500
From: bkeller@[removed] (Bob Keller)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Radio Spirits catalog
Re: Stephen Kallis om 27 Oct 2001
I, too was surprised, but since I has received the Winter 2001-2002 catalog
a few weeks ago (that did have all the usual "stuff," I suspected this
might be a version targeted at a wider audience, and not wanting to
complicate things with clubs, sales, or surplus When Radio Was cassettes.
Let's hope that this is the case, and not an end to the "goodies."
Bob Keller
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 10:25:33 -0500
From: passage@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Seeking Philco radio pushbuttons
Mark wrote:
I remarked about my OTR hobby to a co-worker and he asked if I
might know of a source for purchasing pushbuttons for a Philco 39-36
(circa 1938) radio.
Try Antique Electronic Supply, [removed].
Another web site that might have some info is
[removed]
Frank
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 11:45:48 -0500
From: Robert Fells <rfells@[removed];
To: old time radio <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: NBCSO Rehearsal Recordings
I've been away for a week and just catching up on the recent OTR
Digests. Mike Biel is correct that on many occasions following a
broadcast performance, Arturo Toscanini and the NBC Symphony Orchestra
would make a commercial recording for RCA of the same work. Comparisons
can be subtle but important. For example, comparing the May 6, 1940
broadcast of Brahms Symphony No. 1 with the commercial recording made on
May 9th reveals a number of differences, the broadcast version being
considered the superior of the two.
However, the point I was making last week was that RCA - with
Toscanini's approval - did on occasion lift passages from a rehearsal to
replace part of the performance that did not go well. The 1951 Verdi
Requiem is a case in point. The fact that Toscanini hummed aloud and
even shouted during the rehearsals did not prevent these recordings from
being used. In fact, a lot of Toscanini can be heard on the Verdi
Reqiem. A more notorious case is the 1946 La Boheme, where even in the
broadcast, the Maestro's vocalizing "turned solos into duets, and duets
into trios," to quote Jan Peerce. The engineers must have been
challenged to position the microphones to pick up the orchestra and not
the Maestro.
Bob Fells
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:56:08 -0500
From: Robert Fells <rfells@[removed];
To: old time radio <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: CD-Rs Again
Still playing catch-up, I was surprised by a couple comments regarding
the alleged life span of CDs and CD-Rs re "nobody really knows how long
they'll last." To me, that's all the more reason to respect the low
ball estimates, hope they're wrong, but plan as if they're correct. A
good tape on reel or cassette may indeed outlast the so-called 10-15
year lifespan of CD-Rs (and nobody hopes that these estimates are wrong
more than I do) but a big problem with tape is print-through and that
has soured me on tape for long-term archival use. Many of the Radio
Spirits programs are riddled with print-through, even on the CD
versions, suggesting that whatever source material being used is the
culprit. The value of CDs, aside from no tape hiss, is that if you can
get a clean copy, it will stay that way.
I guess I'm thinking in terms of "Desert Isle" broadcasts here. If you
could only perserve a limited number of shows, either by tape or CD,
which ones would they be?
Bob Fells
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 12:56:30 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey5@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in radio history
From Today's History and Birthday's --
For 10/27
In 1947, the show "This is Nora Drake" premiered on NBC radio; Nora
solved domestic, social and child-raising problems on the airwaves until
January 2, 1959.
In 1948, Groucho Marx was heard as quizmaster on "You Bet Your Life" for
the first time, on ABC radio. George Fenneman, Groucho's straight man,
stayed with Marx during the program's run on radio (1948 - 1959) and
then TV (1950 - 1961).
and on 10/28
In 1946, "Sky King" was heard on ABC radio for the first time, starring
Jack Lester, then Earl Nightingale, and finally, Roy Engel, as Sky.
Beryl Vaughn played Sky's niece Penny; Jack Bivens was Chipper, and
Cliff Soubier was the ranch foreman; the show was sponsored by Mars
candy.
I do have a question though. Is the Earl Nightingale above the same
one who had a series of radio commentaries in the 1970's?
Joe
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Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2001 21:30:25 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Ed Gardner & Shirley Booth
Question:
Does anyone know the exact date (month and year would be okay) of when
Shirley Booth and Ed gardner divorced? My records indicate sometime during
the summer of 1942, a year before she left Duffy's Tavern.
Perhaps it's in a reference book I have yet to find???
Martin Grams, Jr.
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