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Date: 2/22/2006 10:18 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2006 : Issue 57
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
  Effie Klinker                         [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
  When Lipton blows the [removed]      [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
  Re: Superstition                      [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
  Thanks                                [ "Jim Murtaugh" <jayeffemm@[removed] ]
  Gonzalez Gonzalez                     [ <otrbuff@[removed]; ]
  zzzzzzzzzzzz                          [ "Jody Davis" <baroygis@[removed]; ]
  AVE MARIA HOUR                        [ "David S. Siegel" <otrdsiegel@veriz ]
  2-23 births/deaths                    [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  help                                  [ "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed]; ]
  The Carter Family                     [ Ken Stockinger <bambino032004-otr@y ]

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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 02:12:00 -0500
From: charlie@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

A weekly [removed]

For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
real-time OTR talk!

Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
it's always a good time!

For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
week and every week!

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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:15:26 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Effie Klinker
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One of the 02/18 birthdays Professor Sayles recently noted was for:

02-18-1900 - Zeno Klinker - d. 1-xx-1985
writer: "Edgar Bergen/.Charlie McCarthy Show"

I know that this will sound like a no-brainer, but was Bergen's later
ventriloquial friend, the spinsterish Effie Klinker, named after his writer
Zeno Klinker? Also, when was Effie brought into the act? I don't  ever
remember hearing a "Bergen/ McCarthy' or "Chase Sanborn" programme with her
included in the proceedings. However, I did think it was cool that the Museum
of Broadcast Communications in Chicago at one time had  a Charlie McCarthy, a
Mortimer Snerd, AND an Effie Clinker in a glass display case.

Did Candace Bergen have any other "brothers and sisters"?

Yours in the ether,

Derek Tague

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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:12:39 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  When Lipton blows the [removed]
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"Irene Heinstein" IreneTH@[removed]  posted:

Great bit of radio trivia from Anthony Tolin.  James Lipton as Dan Reid, the
Lone Ranger's nephew!  Get him to attend an OTR convention and 'interview'
one of the OTR veterans.   I'm a big fan of 'Inside the Actor's Studio' but
knew nothing about his other media work.

Well, Irene, I tried a couple of years ago to acquire Mr. Lipton's services at
an FOTR convention in conjunction with a Lone Ranger psnel I co-presented with
Fred Foy and LR historian Jim Nixon. I made the right contacts via the Actor'
Studio and New School University here in NYC, where Lipton is the dean of the
acting school,  & heard back from his office via a very nice e-mail. . It
seems that late October is quite a busy time for Prof. Lipton's academic
pursuits as well as  the taping/ production of "Inside the Actors' Studio."
Therefore,  this one-time Dan Reid was unable to attend.

But  the world of OTR conventions still have other WXYZ stock players to draw
from. Dick Beals, Casey Kasem, Paul Carnegie, Dave Parker,  Elaine Hyman, and
the imcomparable Fred Foy are all still with us. All of the immediately
aforementioned--except Kasem-- have attended FOTR.

Hi-ho, Ether!

Derek

[removed]: Wouldn't it be nice if Lipton & his interview show would do a show
dedicated to RADIO acting?

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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:13:44 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Superstition

"kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed]; wrote:

 I've been trying to find some OTR programs, but have yet to be
successful. If anyone out there knows where I can find audio CD's or
cassettes of the following programs, please tell me.
"Defense Attorney," "Phyl Coe Mysteries," "Dr. [removed]," "Superstition"
I've checked out every lead I can think of <snip>  any of these OTR
programs even in circulation?

Well, I have several episodes of a program sometimes listed as
"Origin of Superstition" and announced as "Superstition on the Air."
It was an interesting show from the thirties that, ostensibly, sought
to free the nation from the grip of ignorance and superstition in
favor of the scientific method. The show was certainly laudable for
that goal, and it's opening monologue, different each week, warned in
a very dramatic style - melodramatic, actually; the show's acting
style seems very antiquated today - of the snares that superstitious
beliefs can set for civilized people. I find this show especially
interesting in light of the way in which our current society seems to
embrace superstition and the paranormal. Just tonight I heard that
the owner of the missing show whippet had recruited pet psychics to
help contact the poor pooch. A guest psychic on Countdown had,
indeed, succeeded in contacting the distressed animal. Apparently
they communicated in complete sentences in English. Which is logical,
since England appears to be the Whippet's country of origin. It seems
our country is well on it's way to becoming more superstitious than
it was in the days of OTR.

If you will contact me offlist I'll try to find a way to ftp or email
some episodes to you.

[This reminds me that my earlier mention of this show, a few years
ago, resulted in a challenge of my position by Anthony Tollin; I had
started to respond but got distracted. I don't recall Mr. Tollin's
objections clearly, but I remember than one issue was the
supernatural attributes of The Shadow; I'd mentioned that most of the
later shows had natural explanations at the end of the shows for the
powers of the Shadow's supernatural nemeses or for ghostly
occurrences. The only "supernatural" element remaining was the
Shadow's ability to become invisible, his psychic powers having
vanished, I think, with the departure of Orson Welles. However, we
must recall that the Shadow's invisibility, also, was given a natural
explanation; the hypnotic power to cloud men's minds. It seems
far-fetched today, but in the 50's hypnotism, after years as a parlor
trick and, before that, the pseudo-science of "animal magnetism," was
getting some serious attention from medical science and
psychoanalysts. To the lay public, at least, clouding men's minds or
even conjuring up Mandrake-style illusions, seemed plausible.]

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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:04:43 -0500
From: "Jim Murtaugh" <jayeffemm@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Thanks

I would like to thank everyone who responded to my question on the Rochester
Show.  It seems a shame that it didn't make it commercially.  I thought it
was very well done, funny, and better than a lot of other shows of that
period.  Oh well, there are a lot of tv shows I don't like that have
extremely high ratings.

Jim Murtaugh

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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:38:14 -0500
From: <otrbuff@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Gonzalez Gonzalez

I may have overlooked mention of it here earlier but Ramiro Gonzalez Gonzalez,
dextrous physical comedian (according to Time) and one of Hollywood's earliest
recognizable Mexican actors, died in Culver City, Cal. last week at 80.

There was an amusing exchange between Gonzalez and Groucho Marx in 1953 that
precipitated the comic's career.  Groucho admitted later that his guest was
"the
most naturally funny person who ever appeared" on You Bet Your Life on radio
and
TV.  A source described Gonzalez as "a low wage-earner" who lived in San
Antonio.  I'm retelling the incident from my book, The Great Radio Audience
Participation Shows ([removed], 2001):

It so happened that popular radio quizmaster Walter O'Keefe was in San Antonio
presiding over a local telethon.  During that benefit, Gonzalez -- of the
WOAI-TV crew -- performed a comedy routine and danced with Dagmar, a
stunningly
beautiful national TV celebrity who could boast of sexy, statuesque features.
The bit was so comical that, on his return to the West Coast, O'Keefe reported
his observations to Marx, and encouraged him to get the amusing Mexican for
his
show.  In his autobiography, The Secret Word Is Groucho, Marx noted that
arrangements were soon made to transport Gonzalez to Hollywood.

As could be expected, the host had great fun with his guest's double name:

"What does your wife call you -- Ramiro or Gonzalez?" inquired the quizmaster.

"She call me Pedro," came the reply.

"And where are you from, Mr. Gonzalez Gonzalez ... Walla Walla?" Marx asked.

"I from San Antonio, Te-has," said Gonzalez.

Following this tete-a-tete, Gonzalez demonstrated his dancing prowess by
shuffling across the stage with a striking young lady who had been selected as
his quiz partner.  Then he spent the game eye-balling the ceiling, hoping that
the duck bearing the "secret word" would descend on him.  After three
questions,
Gonzalez begged to quit, saying that what he had already won would buy plenty
of
beans and tortillas for his wife and kids.  The audience dissolved into
convulsive, uncontrollable laughter.

The public was so taken by this man that many people later referred to him as
"the Mexican Jerry Lewis."  Movie actor John Wayne included Gonzalez in
several
western films (The High and the Mighty, Rio Bravo, et al.).  Gonzalez gained
further notoriety by appearing at county fairs and rodeos.  In his honor, the
city of San Antonio named a municipal park for him, recognizing his role in
fostering improved Mexican-American relations.

(In retelling this, it isn't my intent to denigrate the man, should anyone
think
so, but to acknowledge the qualities that helped him become an established,
contributing entertainer, rising from near poverty to several sterling
achievements in show business.)

Jim Cox

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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:15:18 -0500
From: "Jody Davis" <baroygis@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  zzzzzzzzzzzz

[removed]

That's why I love this list and everyone on it. In response to my desperate
plea for the WXYZ bad guy/good guy, I got more "Paul Hughes" responses than
you could shake a stick [removed] (and, as Groucho Marx would add, "...if that's
your idea of a good time.") Many thanx, [removed] finally caught some
fabulous shuteye last night.

Jody Davis

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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:49:23 -0500
From: "David S. Siegel" <otrdsiegel@[removed];
To: OTR DIGEST <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  AVE MARIA HOUR

    In the last issue of the DIGEST poster PAUL UHRBANS inquired on behalf
of a researcher about           information regarding a location for
original transcriptions of the religious program, THE AVE MARIA HOUR.
      If Paul or his friend have access to a library that may have added
the recently published RESOURCE GUIDE TO THE GOLDEN AGE OF RADIO: SPECIAL
COLLECTIONS, BIBLIOGRAPHY AND THE INTERNET  for their reference department,
they would find that the index listing for the AVE MARIA HOUR directs
researchers to the actual location of the entire AVE MARIA HOUR ARCHIVES
and this is only one of over 3800 such listings.
      For additional information see: [removed]

DAVE SIEGEL

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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:44:48 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio Digest Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  2-23 births/deaths

February 23rd births

02-23-1883 - Victor Fleming - Pasasena, CA - d. 1-6-1949
film director: "Gulf Screen Theatre"
02-23-1899 - Norman Taurog - Chicago, IL - d. 4-7-1981
film director: "Biography in Sound"; "Bud's Bandwagon"
02-23-1904 - William L. Shirer - Chicago, IL - d. 12-28-1993
news analyst: "CBS European News"; "[removed] Shirer: News and Comments"
02-23-1909 - Anthony Ross - New York, NY - d. 10-26-1955
actor: Danny Clover "Broadway Is My Beat"; Broadway Columnist "Mr.
Broadway"
02-23-1912 - Thomas L. Thomas - Maesteg, South Wales - d. 4-17-1983
singer: "Manhattan Merry-Go-Round"; "Voice of Firestone"
02-23-1913 - Jon Hall - Fresno, CA - d. 12-13-1979
actor: "Texaco Star Theatre"; "Silver Theatre"; "Screen Guild Theatre"
02-23-1925 - Niels Robinson - d. 1-18-1994
actor: "Coast-to-Coast on a Bus"
02-23-1935 - Gerrianne Raphael - New York, NY
actress: "Let's Pretend"
02-23-1943 - Jada Rowland - New York, NY
actress: "CBS Radio Mystery Theatre"

February 23rd deaths

01-10-1893 - John Bonnell - Prince Edward Island, Canada - d. 2-23-1992
preacher: "Our Spiritual Life"; "Your Life Today"
01-27-1895 - Harry Ruby - New York, NY - d. 2-23-1974
songwriter: "Thirty Minutes in Hollywood"; "Great Moments to Music"
03-20-1924 - Philip Abbott - Lincoln, NE - d. 2-23-1998
actor: "Family Theatre"
03-25-1906 - Margaret Daum - Pittsburgh, PA - d. 2-23-1977
singer: "American Album of Familiar Music"
04-08-1889 - Adrian Boult - Chester, England - d. 2-23-1983
writer: "Advs. of Ellery Queen"; "Casebook of Gregory Hood";
"Sherlock Holmes"
04-21-1919 - Don Cornell - New York, NY - d. 2-23-2004
singer: "Sammy Kaye's Sunday Serenade"; "One Night Stand"; "The Big
Show"
05-09-1901 - Fuzzy Knight - Fairmont, WV - d. 2-23-1976
actor: "Screen Guild Theatre"
06-14-1918 - Jon Arthur - New Kensington, PA - d. 2-23-1982
actor: "Big Jon and Sparkie"; "No School Today"
06-16-1890 - Stan Laurel - Ulverston, England - d. 2-23-1965
comedian: "Laurel and Hardy Show" Pilot, never broadcast
07-14-1914 - Billy Kyle - Philadelphia, PA - d. 2-23-1966
pianist: "Flow Gently, Sweet Rhythm"
09-12-1910 - Shep Fields - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-23-1981
bandleader: "Rippling Rhythm Revue"
09-27-1915 - Frank Gerstle - d. 2-23-1970
actor: "Escape"; "NBC University Theatre"; "Six Shooter"; "Gunsmoke"
10-03-1916 - James Alfred "Alf" Wight - Sunderland, England - d.
2-23-1995
author: James Herriot Books
10-19-1889 - Fannie Hurst - Hamilton, OH - d. 2-23-1968
writer: "United China Relief"; "Fanny Hurst Reviews"; "Big Joe";
"United Nations Today"
11-08-1899 - Edmund "Tiny" Ruffner - Crawfordsville, IN - d. 2-23-1983
announcer: "Show Boat"; "Captain Diamond's Adventure"; "Better Half"
11-13-1913 - Alexander Scourby - Brooklyn, NY - d. 2-23-1985
actor: Herbert Temple "Young Widder Brown"; Philip Cameron "Against
the Storm"
xx-xx-1914 - Leo McCabe - Belfast, Ireland - d. 2-23-1986
actor: Stephen Dallas "Stella Dallas"

Ron Sayles

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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:47:48 -0500
From: "Walden Hughes" <hughes1@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  help

Hi Everybody,

does any one know what Science Fiction show had a story line of two sciences
are examining  live through there equipment and at the end of the show they
realize that they were the one under observation.  A friend ask me to help
him find this show.  Take care,

Walden

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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:48:08 -0500
From: Ken Stockinger <bambino032004-otr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Carter Family
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  Hi everyone,
       I've been lurking for a while, enjoying all of the great posts. Now
I've got a question I need some help with.
       My wife and I saw the terrific Johnny Cash movie"Walk the Line"
recently. In it, the young Johnny Cash listens to the Carter Family on the
radio. Ever since, my wife has been wondering if there really was a Carter
Family radio show.
      Did they have their own show, or did they just appear on shows like
"The Grand Old Opry"?  Any shows with the Carter Family exist?
      Thanks as always!
                               Ken "The Man in Mauve" Stockinger

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