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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2005 : Issue 305
A Part of the [removed]!
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Eddie Green/Charlie Cantor [ Illoman <illoman@[removed]; ]
Pending Coverage of FOTR [ seandd@[removed] ]
Organically Speaking [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@j ]
How soon they forget! [ Wich2@[removed] ]
Orchestra vs. organ [ StepToons@[removed] ]
Re: Indexes and Appendices [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Al "Jazzbo" Collins [ "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@sunflower. ]
clock radio [ "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed] ]
Jazzbo/Jazzbeaux [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
Recording shows off the internet [ "[removed]" <asajb2000@ ]
Re: New Discoveries on Cowboy Kid [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
Indexes -- from a librarian's viewpo [ "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed] ]
Hawaii Calls [ TED DAVENPORT <tedotr@[removed] ]
Reel To Reel [ TED DAVENPORT <tedotr@[removed] ]
re: Pick the Winner [ Eric Cooper <ercjncpr1956@[removed] ]
Howard Cosell Loses It! [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
SPEAKING OF ON-LINE RADIO [ Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed]; ]
WSM Celebrates 80th Birthday All Day [ "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed] ]
Another find [ BH <radiobill@[removed]; ]
Marching to the Music [ "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@attorneyross. ]
#OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig [ charlie@[removed] ]
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:18:28 -0400
From: Illoman <illoman@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Eddie Green/Charlie Cantor
Does anyone know where I might go to find pictures/biographies of
either Eddie Green or Charlie Cantor? I have Googled each one and not
had much luck. I really enjoy their work on Duffy's Tavern and would
like to research them a little bit.
Thanks,
Mike
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 18:18:44 -0400
From: seandd@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Pending Coverage of FOTR
The Asbury Park Press' Mark Voger will devote a column to the Friends of Old
Time Radio on October 16, so everyone who reads that or another Gannett
newspaper in New Jersey should be on the lookout.
Sean Dougherty
Sean DD@[removed]
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:13:27 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr" <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Organically Speaking
Richard Carpenter asks,
Why did some shows use only organ music? My first thought is that it
was to save money, but
certainly successful shows like "The Shadow" could ave afforded more than
an organ, no?
Well, for most of its life, Captain Midnight used *no* music. However,
in the 1949 serial season, some organ music was brought in. Compared to
the earlier musicless program, it was a bit of a bit jarring. The music
was carried over to the 30-minute nonCanonical version of the show. As
the show had been very popular, with listenership literally in the
millions, and nobody seemed to complain for lack of music.
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 19:36:35 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: How soon they forget!
From: "HOWARD BLUE" <khovard@[removed];
Subject: World War II OTR dramatic script
If anybody would like scripts from the following series, please contact me
off line
What? No "Hasten The Day?"
(See you in Newark, Howard?)
-Craig W.
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:39:17 -0400
From: StepToons@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Orchestra vs. organ
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Richard Carpenter <newsduck@[removed];
Wrote:
Subject: Orchestra vs. organ
I am also interested in learning more about the history of OTR Scoring. I'm
looking forward to seeing some history postings from our members.
As a musician, producer and composer I am most impressed by the music
written to image or voice. Even more impressive, to me, is the conducting of
such a
score in a LIVE performance setting.
I've worked on scoring to video and film image but have had the luxury of
being able to edit and trim the music to fit the scenes where scoring was
needed. Live orchestra during the OTR era didn't have this luxury. (Some
shows did
have canned music, but this was obvious.)
For music to work correctly, the audience shouldn't even be conscious of it
while it is playing. So many OTR shows pulled this trick off so well. How
many of us can remember our favorite "Suspense" episode but not recall the
music that was playing during our favorite scenes? It was successfully
transparent.
Regardless of the size of the orchestra (organ to full combo) I find it
exciting to hear live music played to a silent movie or at a (rare) live
performance of an OTR show.
The closest I've come to experiencing this "Live music to performance" first
hand was during my years musical directing stage shows where background
music would often play under the dialog that would precede the musical
numbers.
This doesn't even come close to what some of these OTR conductors were
dealing
with.
I have often thought about starting an OTR radio group here in NY that would
include a live orchestra and S-FX rig. Anyone have some experience in the
OTR community theater arena that would like to share some war stories?
-Step
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:39:47 -0400
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Indexes and Appendices
On 10/4/05 6:21 PM [removed]@[removed] wrote:
Furthermore, as a final word, I would almost
invariably suggest to anyone thinking of writing a non-fiction book -- if
you omit an index, your readers' satisfaction will be significantly
diminished, particularly if they are into research even in its mildest
forms. And that applies to almost all of us at one time or other.
I'd absolutely second this, and I'd add that detailed endnotes are a very
important feature as well. The first thing I do when I open up a new
volume on radio history is take a careful look at both the index and the
notes. If they're missing or scanty, it tends to give me a fairly
reliable notion of the seriousness of the research that went into the
text. And the more information that goes into the index and the notes,
the better.
I prepared the index for "The Original Amos 'n' Andy" myself -- figuring
no one would know better what subjects a researcher using the book as a
source would be likely to look for. Indexing is one of the most tedious,
time-consuming, frustrating, and annoying aspects of writing a work of
non-fiction -- but that's no excuse for not seeing to it that it's done.
Elizabeth
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:39:58 -0400
From: "alanladdsr" <alanladdsr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Al "Jazzbo" Collins
What was the record he made. I had it (a 45rpm) as a [removed] Brunswick I
believe.
Did a hip version of Little Red Riding Hood?
Don Frey
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:40:48 -0400
From: "Mark Kinsler" <kinsler33@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: clock radio
a Crosley AM
clock table model radio (with sleep timer!) that really works with glowing
tubes. >This latest curiosity has something many collectors are accustomed
to, I'm
sure, but in my limited supply of vintage radios, I didn't have before.
There is a receptacle on one side for something else to be plugged in. On
the back it reads: "Timed Outlet for Appliances Not Rated Over 100W at 115
[removed]" >There is also, separately, a button on the back that can be moved
>from RADIO
to PHONO.
I used to add a silicon diode across the power switches of 5-tube AM radios
to keep the filaments hot--at half-power--so the radio would turn on
instantly. I saw the last few tube-type AM clock radios on sale at a
discount store in Connecticut in I think 1971.
Your timed outlet is for 1,000 watts, not 100 watts. It was controlled by a
big honking set of contacts behind the clock. The idea was to plug an
electric coffee percolator into it so that you'd have hot coffee available
in your bedroom after you finally pried your eyelids open.
I don't know of anyone who ever actually did that, nor did I know anyone who
ever ran an amplifier-less phonograph turntable into the audio input (it's
there somewhere) controlled by a 'radio-phono'
switch. I used to disconnect these switches when I could because they'd cut
off the radio if they were inadvertently moved to 'phono.'
Apparently Joan Crawford thought highly of these. If you ever see the very
beginning of the movie "Mommy Dearest" you'll see a big old table-model
clock radio (probably not a Crosley, but I don't know) in use; they were
something of a luxury item when they first came out.
M Kinsler
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:41:26 -0400
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Jazzbo/Jazzbeaux
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I enjoyed Jordan Young's recounting of his time on the air with
Jazzbo/Jazzbeaux. Taking a line from Paul Simon on the Graceland album,
'you can call me Al' I'll refer to JB that way.
After I relocated to the SF Bay Area from the NY area, over the years some
favorites of mine also made the trip. To name a few,
Al, the now-SF Giants, and later, Thomas' English Muffins, Breyer's Ice
Cream all-beef hot dogs, bagels, and as they say in commercials 'and much,
much more'. [Free association, here. I'm still waiting for NY Pizza.
Unfortunately the big pretzels we bought on the street in the NYC area have
been corrupted, as only the SF Bay Area Gourmet Ghetto can do. At the food
stand in Costco you can get a pretzel with many flavors/coatings except
SALT. When 'designer' pretzels were first introduced at the food stand I
asked for salt and the seller told me that the pretzels didn't come with
salt and reminded me that salt wasn't good for 'us'. I passed on the
cinnamon and the rest of the lot]
I used to listen to Al on WNEW in NY and will always remember the night he
played 'Mr Sandman' non-stop because he hated it so much and wanted to make
everyone tired of it. It didn't work, the song went to #1. I checked the
year on the internet - it was 1954. He was fired for that memorable event.
I was a high school musician then and had been intrroduced to jazz which is
why I listened to Al a lot. I also listened to Alan Freed and Make Believe
Ballroom. I wrote the music column for my HS newspaper. which reflected my
eclectic tastes, so I considered all this listening part of my job and I
cautiously started mentioning jazz musicians and music in my column,
compliments of Al.
When he brought the purple grotto to SF, the year after I came here I was
delighted and picked up where I'd left off.
-Irene
As to the name, I read at the [removed], which is a Radio Broadcasting History
website the following.
Al 'Jazzbeaux' Collins
JWNote: goldenpossum@[removed] remembers, "Jazzbo officially changed the
spelling to Jazzbeaux when he went to Pittsburgh (in 1969).
WKPA [Pittsburgh PA] 1943
WIND [Chicago IL] 1945
KNAK [Salt Lake City UT] 1946
WNEW [New York NY] 1950
Tonight! America After Dark - NBC-TV [Los Angeles CA]
1957 - host
KSFO [San Francisco CA] 1959
VOA [Los Angeles?] 196? - host: Jazz for the Asking
KMET [LA] 1966
KFI [LA] 1967
KGBS [LA] 1968
WTAE [Pittsburgh] 1969
WIXZ [Pittsburgh] 1973
KMPX [San Francisco] 1976
KGO [San Francisco] 1977
WNEW [New York] 1981
KSFO [San Francisco] 1983
KFRC [San Francisco] 1986
KAPX? [Marin County CA] 1990
KCSM [College Of San Mateo CA] 1993
Passed away Sept. 30, 1997 (pancreatic cancer), at age 78, in San Francisco,
California.
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:41:34 -0400
From: "[removed]" <asajb2000@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Recording shows off the internet
For Macs, try Wiretap Pro.
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:41:57 -0400
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: New Discoveries on Cowboy Kid
Jack French is rightly excited by Jim Jones research finds. Being an
information junkie I went to the ProQuest website which has some remarkable
databases but couldn't really find info about individual subscribers.
Perhaps one can use it at a library. Jim, if you're reading this could you
give me/us some information on ProQuest.
I can offer limited research help. For example I subscribe to 2 genealogy
websites and can possibly locate people who would have been in the Census up
through 1930. What might turn up is the true age of some celebrities! I
also subscribe to highbeam research which has a database different from
Google, including magazines, journals and the like. Specific requests are
welcome.
Happy hunting,
Irene
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 21:42:20 -0400
From: "Ted Kneebone" <tkneebone1@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Indexes -- from a librarian's [removed]
Reading Jim Cox's comments about indexes and appendixes reminds me of my
days as a librarian, and my frustrations with reference books that had no
indexes. You would think that any publisher in the business of publishing
reference books would automatically include indexes. That was not the case,
as late as 1998, when I retired.
I am unable at this time to recall the titles of the reference books that I
commonly used that lacked indexes. Whatever vast treasure house the
author/compiler put in his book was lost to the reader. Who wants to page
through hundreds of pages to locate a fact?
My first job with the SD State Planning Agency in 1971 was to compile a
bibliography of state documents that were available then. I knew we needed
an index, so my secretary and I spent many hours compiling an index for it.
A few years later I was appointed to the state documents task force. One
thing we insisted on as we wrote guidelines for state departments is that
they should include an index for many of their publications.
Besides an index, publications need a complete title page. Without this,
finding the author and source can be an exercise in futility. Why would any
department of state government go to the bother of publishing a document and
omit a full title page?
Our task force did have one lasting effect: virtually all state of South
Dakota publications carry a note giving the cost of printing the
publication.
Ted Kneebone. OTR website: [removed]
Democrats: [removed]
1528 S. Grant St., Aberdeen, SD 57401 / Phone: 605-226-3344
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:38:55 -0400
From: TED DAVENPORT <tedotr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Hawaii Calls
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I am looking for HAWAII CALLS on CD. Please contact me off list. Thanks.
Ted Davenport
Radio Memories
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:39:16 -0400
From: TED DAVENPORT <tedotr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Reel To Reel
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After we transfer our master reels to cassette, we have no more use for the
master open reel, so we are offering them to you at a great price.
Most are 1800 ft. but some are 1200 & 2400 ft. We are offering these
reels at the price of $[removed] each, which includes all shipping charges.
I am sorry, but at these prices we can't go through them looking for
particular shows you might want. Order soon and order often
because there is a limited supply. First come, first served.
Ted Davenport
Radio Memories
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:39:24 -0400
From: Eric Cooper <ercjncpr1956@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re: Pick the Winner
Saw the same promos on video versions of Studio One
that I have. Apparently it was a roundtable discussion
among CBS news reporters about the weekly doings
between Mr. Stevenson and Ike
Eric Cooper
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 22:40:35 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Howard Cosell Loses It!
[removed]
Listen to everything on this page -- you will laugh your a** off, for an
hour, or more!
[removed]
Sandy
[removed]
[removed]
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:01:16 -0400
From: Sandy Singer <sinatradj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: SPEAKING OF ON-LINE RADIO
KABL, San Francisco is streaming great music all day long. [removed]
and will soon announce a gizmo you can plug into your telephone line and
hear the station without turning on your computer.
[removed]
Sandy
[removed]
[removed]
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Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 23:15:02 -0400
From: "Bill Knowlton" <udmacon1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: WSM Celebrates 80th Birthday All Day
Wednesday (FYI)
I received this today from WSM Radio deejay Eddie Stubbs:
Wednesday October 5, 2005 marks the 80th anniversary of WSM Radio in
Nashville. Beginning at 5:30 AM Central and continuing until 12
Midnight, the day will be filled with many exciting guests (a good
number from WSM's past) and some live music as well.
WSM will be broadcasting this invitation-only day live from its
transmitter just south of Nashville until 7 PM. At 7 PM, the day's
broadcast resumes from the Gaylord Opryland Hotel And Convention Center.
>From 8 to 11 PM, a program highlighting some of the station's history
and shows from WSM's past will be aired with commentary from special
guest Kyle Cantrell.
You can listen in to this historic day in WSM's history on 650 AM-WSM,
[removed]., and on WSM Entertainment Channel 111 on Sirius
Satellite Radio.
Many thanks,
Eddie Stubbs
WSM Radio
Nashville, Tennessee
BILL KNOWLTON
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 00:15:56 -0400
From: BH <radiobill@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Another find
Jim Cox in reference to his Crosley AM tube radio posted:
This latest curiosity has something many collectors are accustomed to, I'm
sure, but in my limited supply of vintage radios, I didn't have before.
There is a receptacle on one side for something else to be plugged in. On
the back it reads: "Timed Outlet for Appliances Not Rated Over 100W at 115
[removed]"
So your coffee would be hot when you wake up, just in time for Don
McNeill and "The Breakfast Club" (fiction and fact from Sam's Almanac).
There is also, separately, a button on the back that can be moved from RADIO
to PHONO.
There should be an input jack on the back to plug in a PHONO turntable,
this allows the turntable to be played using the audio amp section of
the radio while disabling the radio [removed]
If you can find a model number and post it, I may can find more
information. If you plan on using this radio on a regular basis, I
strongly recommend you have someone replace all the capacitors. Don't
take it to your local TV/VCR shop, they probably won't have a clue, you
will need to find someone who restores vintage radios.
Bill H.
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 01:19:46 -0400
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <joe@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Marching to the Music
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 13:47:27 -0400
From: Bob Slate <moxnix1961@[removed];
That sounds like it might be "No School Today" with Big Jon & Sparky,
broadcast from Cincinatti in the early to late 1950's.
Big John and Sparky moved from Cincinatti to New York sometime in the early 1950s. This
upset Sparky because he was worried about missing the latest installment in the long-
running serial "General Comet of the Universe Patrol." This was solved when a letter arrived
from friends in Cincinatti describing the latest installment just the way Sparky always did.
They did have a march, sometime early in each show, led by Gilhoulie Mahoney and his
leprechaun marching band.
Also for the grown-ups it was "Don McNeil'S Breakfast Club'' from
the 1930's to possibly, the early 1960's where they marched around
the breakfast table.
It was, but I believe Breakfast Club lasted into the 1970s.
--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210 Fax [removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503
[removed]
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Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 02:12:00 -0400
From:
charlie@[removed]
To:
[removed]@[removed]
Subject: #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!
A weekly [removed]
For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
Network, the channel name is #OldRadio. We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
over nine years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
real-time OTR talk!
Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
it's always a good time!
For more info, contact
charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
week and every week!
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