Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #325
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Date: 8/18/2002 12:54 PM
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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 325
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Cancellation of Programs              [ William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed]; ]
  GUNSMOKE COPY                         [ andy ryan <anbryan2000@[removed]; ]
  Your Hit Parade                       [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
  Today in radio history 8/18           [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Today in radio history                [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
  Candy Candido                         [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
  "WorldsGreatestOld-TimeRadioShows"    [ dantrigg422@[removed] ]
  The Green Valley Line                 [ Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed]; ]
  "Be sure to get _____ at your grocer  [ "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@ ]
  Nick Carter                           [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]
  Re:Howard (Slime) Stern               [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Today's sound effects?                [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
  Nelson Eddy and War of the Worlds     [ danhughes@[removed] ]
  "George Gershwin Alone"               [ Peter Kinder <pdkinder@[removed]; ]
  Re: Arthur & Howard                   [ StevenL751@[removed] ]
  Best selling cigarettes               [ George Aust <austhaus1@[removed] ]
  WLS Family Albums                     [ MGiorgio1@[removed] ]
  Beverly Washburn                      [ John Gallagher <otrnut@[removed]; ]
  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK schedule      [ HERITAGE4@[removed] ]
  Flash Gordon                          [ Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:52:55 -0400
From: William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Cancellation of Programs

A short time ago someone spoke of the canbcellation of shows by the
networks. Actually the shows were not owned by the networks, but by the
advertising agencies, who controlled these actions. About 1950 there was
a big mess. The agencies started playing games and   started maneuvering
their shows, switching networks, which played havoc with the networks. I
was with CBS=Hollywood at the time. CBS decided to counteract this
situation by developing their own shows (Radio) using their own writing
staff. ( Bob Caroll and Madeline Pugh were two that I remember).With the
advent of TV, Lucille and Desi fformed their own company, Desilu,  took
over a vacant motion picture studio, and took the CBS gang with them.
Announcer Roy Rowan, musical director   Wilbur ("Bill") Hatch, audio
engineer Cam McCulloch, were all CBS staff  people. Also the musicians
themselves. The  cast also were radio actors.

Bill Murtough

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:53:04 -0400
From: andy ryan <anbryan2000@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  GUNSMOKE COPY

Thank you to list member Bell(lost your email), for
the copy of "The New Hotel".  Generous and helpful.

andy ryan

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:53:48 -0400
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Your Hit Parade

In Digest 319 William Halbe wrote:

For many years I have collected re-creations of Your Hit Parade Radio
Shows.  These shows were originally broadcast beginning in 1935.  I have
a few of these  original shows and would like to collect more if they
are available.  Can anyone help?

Back in the 1980's Bea Wain and Andre Baruch produced and hosted a new
series of "Your Hit Parade" using the original songs. This show was
syndicated around the country. You should check these out.

Barbara

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:53:53 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history 8/18

  From Those Were The Days --

1937 - The first FM radio construction permit was issued. It went to
W1X0J, Boston, MA. The station went on the air as WGTR (General Tire &
Rubber) in 1941.

  Joe

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:52:25 -0400
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Today in radio history

  From Those Were The Days --

1943 - Writer Norman Corwin's first success debuted on CBS radio. It was
Passport for Adams, starring Rober Young who played a small town
newspaper editor. Corwin would have many other radio successes. He wrote
and produced such radio classics as This is War, An American in England
and We Hold These Truths.

  Joe

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:54:26 -0400
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Candy Candido

In Digest 314 Richard Pratz wrote about Candy Candido asked:

With a name as intriguing as his, the mere mention of it brought back lots
of memories. Anyone out there ever work with, or know more about Candido and
can fill the rest of us in on his career?

You can hear Candy talking about his career when he was the guest speaker at
a SPERDVAC meeting in January 1984. It's on tape #942 of SPERDVAC's General
Library. He first came to a SPERDVAC meeting in November 1983 when Alan
Young was the guest.

The "SPERDVAC Presents" series (tapes of guest speakers at meetings) is an
incredible wealth of information and memories of hundreds of OTR actors and
often they are very entertaining as well. Most all of the meetings were
audiotaped and in recent years videotaped as well, and these are available
for members to check out by mail. Surprisingly they seldom are.

Barbara

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:54:35 -0400
From: dantrigg422@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "WorldsGreatestOld-TimeRadioShows"
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I received same offer as Rick Keating, but turned it down as it was a club
where you had to return what you didn't want. That it "might" be part of
Radio Spirits, I was glad to find out. After spending several thousand
dollars with "Spirits" and their extremely slow service I'm glad I made that
decision.

Thanks to this digest I have found companies that offer more fore same price
and very fast service. I will say that Radio Spirits has always offered to
refund my money for slow service, but I am always patient as I love OTR.

Sincerely
Dan

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:55:02 -0400
From: Gerry Wright <gdwright@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  The Green Valley Line

Searching for background information on the series "The Green Valely
Line" described in J. David Goldin's index as "A story of a small
back-country railroad in the early years of the twentieth century. A
story of the lives of small town people in the America of thirty five
years ago." Spider McGee and "Slim" arrive in Morristown to find that
the Green Valley Line may be sold to the C. K. and W. railroad. "Slim"
is really named Bill, and is the son of the millionaire owner of the C.
K. and W.!

"Bill is played by Rollon Parker, the voice of John Todd (Tonto!) is
also heard. Since both Parker and Todd are veterans of "The Lone Ranger"
program, it's safe to conclude that this series was probably recorded at
and syndicated by WXYZ, Detroit."
- -------------------------------------------------------------

The approximate date of broadcast is about 1935 (story takes place at
the turn of the century and the narrator states about it being "35 years
ago"). I know of 26, 15 min. episodes, but at the end of episode 26 the
narrator invites us back next week for "episode 27 the opening chapter
in the second phase of The Green Valley Line. Was there ever more than
the original 26 episodes broadcast? When was the series produced and
broadcast? Was it produced at WXYZ, Detroit? (Many of the voices are the
same as the Lone Ranger, Green Hornet actors)

Thanks for any information.

Gerry Wright
ZoneZebra Productions
San Francisco

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:55:29 -0400
From: "Stephen A Kallis, Jr." <skallisjr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "Be sure to get _____ at your grocery store
 ...."

Joe Mackey, speaking of sponsors of OTR shows, observes,

Speaking for myself, I have never been influenced to rush out and buy
whatever product was being hawked on a radio or tv show, no matter how
well the commercial is made.  (Sorry Hal).  I can't remember the last
time I brought anything because it was advertised.

Speaking from my memories, I recall buying some stuff because I wanted
the premium advertised on various radio shows, but found I liked the
product and kept getting it.  For instance, there was Ovaltine.  I tried
it first because I wanted the 1946 Mirro-Flash Code-O-Graph (my very
first Code-O-Graph).  But particularly as one just having lived through
World War II, if we bought something, we used it, and I found I really
liked Ovaltine.  And i consumed plenty of it between premium offers.  I
still drink it from time to time.

But then there was Kellogg's Pep.  As a child, i started eating it
because it advertised The Adventures of Superman, which I dug when I was
in 4th grade.  I liked the flavor and ate it by the heaping bowlfuls.  I
got well over the minimum in fiber intake, for sure.  But by the 1970s, I
ran into Pep again, in one of those little single-serving boxes once in a
company cafeteria.  An overwhelming wave of nostalgia washed over me and
I bought it and ate it as before.  It tasted exactly as I remembered, but
_my_ taste had changed.  My more adult taste identified it as a cross
between Wheaties and cardboard.  There was a nostalgic pleasure about the
taste, but I decided that I wouldn't eat any again for years, if at all.
But I still enjoy an occasional Ovaltine.

Stephen A. Kallis, Jr.

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:55:36 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Nick Carter

In the "Let's keep abreast of the Radio Spirit's licenses" category, I
wanted to pass this announcement on:

CEDAR KNOLLS, [removed], July 18 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- MediaBay, Inc.
(Nasdaq: MBAY - News), a leading media company specializing in spoken audio
content, marketing and publishing, announced today that its Radio Spirits
subsidiary -- the world's leading distributor of classic radio programs --
has obtained long-term exclusive broadcast, reproduction and distribution
rights to Nick Carter, Master Detective radio programs from Advance
Magazine Publishers Inc. d/b/a The Conde Nast Publications Inc.

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 22:57:06 -0400
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Re:Howard (Slime) Stern

I sort of promised myself I'd be on my good behavior, after the Hope
controversy. But I figured I was on firm ground with that one, because I
knew of what I spake! :)

However, I cannot offer one bit of concrete evidence or personal experience
as a basis for the opinion I am about to render about Howard Stern.

In my humble opinion, based on over 50 years in the entertainment industry,
Howard Stern is an incredible blight on that industry. I find him
disgusting.

He was disgusting back in his radio days, and his TV show goes down hill
from there.

Howard is what the industry now calls a "shock Jock". Much like the other
purveyor of prurient pap, Jerry Springer.

The more lascivious and outlandish the content of their programs, the more
viewers and listeners they draw. But from the ranks of the illiterate and
unintelligent segment of the population I certainly hope. Fans of his are
like people gawking at train wrecks and mangled automobiles. There is a
fascination with gore, genitals and various forms of living garbage.

It is a sad commentary about the state of our society, that there are so
many people out there that actually find those programs stimulating and
entertaining, and have "Redeeming Social Value. In my opinion, they are
gross, offensive, trite and have absolutely no redeeming social value, other
than keeping the "animals" indoors to  watch them, which makes the streets a
little more pleasant to walk down.

Howard Stern is no dummy. But if anyone wants to challenge my assessment as
to his lack of redeemable on-air qualities, supposed talent, and value as an
entertainer, have at it. But If you are a Howard Stern fan, I suggest you
just ignore this posting. You will not win an intellectual and informative
debate with me on this topic.

Compared to Howard Stern, Bob Hope can do no wrong, EVER!!!!!

Peace to all

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

[ADMINISTRIVIA: Please send additional comments on this topic privately. I
don't want to do this again so [removed]  --cfs3]

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:38:53 -0400
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Today's sound effects?

    Michael Scott wrote that he wished someone would
have the brains and guts to produce OTR type radio
with today's sound effects. What exactly would that be
Michael? For the last seven years I've been heavily
involved in producing,writing,acting in and the
syndication of radio drama. We've used the sounds of
computers, cell phones, jet planes, answering machines
and lint. Anything and everything, if it fit the
story. I hope you're not refering to the sound of
bodily functions. Naw, you couldn't be. That would
take the show out of the OTR class and drop it down to
Howard Sterns level.
                      Puzzled
                      Larry Albert

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:39:09 -0400
From: danhughes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Nelson Eddy and War of the Worlds
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I've heard the Edgar Bergen Halloween Eve 1938 show (it's on the Cronkite
collection from Radio Spirits), and all I can say is that I sure would
have quickly changed stations for relief after just a few moments of
Nelson Eddy's first song.  Truly horrible stuff, at least to this pair of
ears.

---Dan

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Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:42:53 -0400
From: Peter Kinder <pdkinder@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  "George Gershwin Alone"

	Count on me to get to a play the week before its run ends, and
"George Gershwin Alone" ends its run next Saturday at the American Repertory
Theater in Cambridge, Mass.  It will have a brief revival in late September
and October.

	Written and performed by Hershey Felder, "George Gershwin Alone" is
90 minutes of Gershwin biography mixed with songs and excellent piano.
Felder, in character, sings harmony to the classic Jolson recording of
"Suwannee", and it's just marvelous.

	It is followed by a 30 minute "encore", which consists of a Gershwin
sing-along -- much more fun than it sounds -- and a stirring rendition of
"The Back Bay Polka", a hilarious, if dated, send up of all things Boston.
Felder is a delightful raconteur, and his stories illuminate both Gershwin
and the music business.

	Of special interest to OTR fans is a recreation of a 1934 broadcast
of "Music by Gershwin".  It includes a singing commercial for "Feenamint,
the chewing gum laxative", a product whose spots I remember well but none
set to a Gershwin melody.  Felder gives an impassioned reading of the spot.

	I can't recommend the show highly enough.  In fact, I'm going back
next week.

Peter Kinder

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:14:17 -0400
From: StevenL751@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: Arthur & Howard

In a message dated 8/17/2002 5:03:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:

I and the OTR community are waiting for someone to have the guts to
produce OTR type radio but with
some of today's sound [removed] guess there's no producer out there with
the
brains and guts to try it.

On the contrary, there are plenty of producers out there today who are
creating imaginative and entertaining "radio" dramas.  Producers like Tom
Lopez (ZBS Foundation), Henry Howard (Atlanta Radio Theatre Company),  and
Craig Wichman (Quicksilver Radio Theatre), just to name a few.   Joel Pierson
(Mind's Ear Audio Theater) recently produced a very funny 10-part series
called "The Dante Experience", which Max Schmid just started broadcasting on
his Monday night show on WBAI.  Even my own Gotham Radio Players have
produced a number of original audio dramas.  The trick producers of audio
drama face today is getting their work heard.  It's rare that most of these
shows will be heard on air.  More likely they will be released to CD or
cassette and will be sold directly to interested listeners.

Steve Lewis

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:15:31 -0400
From: George Aust <austhaus1@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Best selling cigarettes

Like Jer I found the statement that Chesterfield cigarettes was a minor
brand before they began  sponsoring Arthur Godfrey, curious to put it
mildly.  I'm just going on my memory as a child but it seems to me that
Chesterfield  certainly was spending one heck of alot of money on radio
advertising not to mention other media for a company with small sales. I
can't honestly say that Chesterfield spent more money on radio
advertising than Lucky Strike, Phillip Morris, or Camels, but it sure
seemed like it.  They Sponsored Glenn Miller's Moonlight Serenade three
nights a week for nearly three years and Miller had just signed a new
contract with them worth a  heck of alot of money even in today's
inflated money.  I want to say one million dollars, but I can't document
that. I know I have the source on that here somewhere but could not come
up with it just now. This was the contract that he gave up to go into
the service in 1942.
At the same time Chesterfield was sponsoring Fred Waring and his huge
organization and had just prior been sponsoring Paul Whiteman and his
orch. I'm sure that  other people on this list could come up with more
shows sponsored  by Liggett and Myers at this time which was 1939-1942.

Anybody remember Wings? I think that at one time, probably during the
depression, that Wings was the biggest selling brand. But that was
because they were the cheapest brand. I remember them still being around
in the late 40's. It seems that I recall jokes being made about them
also.

As far as "C"rations go they were definitely that old. When I was in the
Army in the middle 50's we were opening up "C" rations cartons and
throwing everything away but the cookies. Boy was that stuff awful. It
really tore your stomach up after a few days of eating it. And the
cigarettes were so [removed] old were they George?  they were so
old that even the German girls refused to take them.  They knew exactly
what they were. "C" ration cigarettes! They were very dried out and very
strong and burned very quickly. Even German cigarettes were better than
that.

I'd like to see some numbers on the sales of the various brands of
cigarettes thru the years. Anybody know if such exists?

George Aust

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:14:36 -0400
From: MGiorgio1@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  WLS Family Albums

Hi all,

I picked up three WLS Family Albums recently at an antique mall (they were
literally stuffed inside a bookcase, but my keen eye for things OTR scoped
them out).  My question is [removed] exactly were these produced?  Were they
given/sold to the general public or were they internal or for sponsors or
what?  And, just out of curiousity because I won't part with them, what are
they worth?  Gotta know if I got a good deal.  :)

Michael Giorgio
Waukesha, WI
(Birthplace of Les Ford)

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:15:44 -0400
From: John Gallagher <otrnut@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Beverly Washburn
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OTR Fans:

Beverly Washburn will be starring in a recreation of "Sorry, Wrong Number" at
the FOTR Convention this Fall (Saturday October 26, 2002 at 4:45).

Don't miss it.

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 09:15:39 -0400
From: HERITAGE4@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  OLDE TYME RADIO NETWORK schedule

Heres the linup for the week starting: Sunday, August 18th - through  August
24th at:
[removed]
On demand streaming audio at 32 kbps   24/7

SAME TIME SAME STATION with Jerry Haendiges
Jerry offers "Culture Week" with a variety of great shows:
1. THE PHILADELPHIA OPERA    2/11/40  "The Old Maid and the Thief" narrated by
    Milton Cross with the Orchestra conducted by Silvin Levin.
2. THE RAILROAD HOUR    10/11/48   "Anything Goes"   starring:
    Gordon MacRae, Margaret Whiting and Victor Moore.
3. THE LONGINES SYMPHONETTE    9/15/43    First program with Michel
    Piastro conducting.

HERITAGE RADIO THEATRE with Tom Heathwood
Looking at some shows from the host's birthday:
1. CRIME AND PETER CHAMBERS    4/27/54     NBC    Stars Dane Clark in:
   "A Housefull of Suspects"
2. DAVID HARDING/COUNTERSPY     4/27/50     ABC    Don MacLaughin in the
    title role -  "The Case of the Murdered Confessor"
3. COLGATE SPORTS NEWSREEL with BILL STERN    5/20/49    NBC
    Program #499        Guest:   Movie star, Ida Lupino

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Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2002 12:25:34 -0400
From: Jim Widner <jwidner@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Flash Gordon

I am doing some update research on Science Fiction on Radio and am trying
to determine the name of the actress who portrayed the character Dale Arden
in both the West Coast series which ran from April to October, 1935 as well
as the second casting in September, 1935.

In the former series, I already know who played Flash (Gale Gordon), Dr.
Zarkov (Maurice Franklin), and Ming (Bruno Wick).  But Dale Arden seems to
be unknown in any previously published mentions including Dunning among others.

I have had contact with Himan Brown but as would be expected for someone
who has many different productions and years under his belt, he cannot
recall. So I am still looking.

If anyone has any source information that would help, I would appreciate
hearing from you via private email.

Thanks.

Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]

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