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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2003 : Issue 397
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  RE: "War of the Worlds" Musical       [ "Neil Marsh" <Neil@[removed]; ]
  Jeopardy                              [ Larry Gassman <lgsinger@[removed] ]
  Bazooka bob burns                     [ Jer51473@[removed] ]
  Henry Aldrich                         [ "Richard Carpenter" <sinatra@raging ]
  Re: "Can Anyone Confirm This"         [ Udmacon@[removed] ]
  cancellation                          [ <nemesis@[removed]; ]
  Re: [removed] Kangaroo        [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
  Lee Marvin - Bob Keeshan urban legen  [ Art Chimes <achimes@[removed]; ]
  no more drama hour on KNX             [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
  best place to obtain Jack Benny Show  [ "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed]; ]
  Lee Marvin, Capt Kangaroo, and Mr. R  [ danhughes@[removed] ]
  Bold Venture                          [ "Sharon Wright" <write@[removed] ]
  Macabre                               [ Troubadourfilms@[removed] ]
  KNX Drama Hour                        [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
  Amos & Andy reminder                  [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
  Mr Rogers & Captain Kangaroo          [ Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed]; ]
  Looking for the CBS RMT episode       [ "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@hotm ]
  Macabre/Lee Marvin urban legend       [ Osborneam@[removed] ]
  Hindenburg fire and firing            [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]
  Musical War of the Worlds             [ "Andrew Schneider" <madjack71@earth ]
  Reel to reel tapes that squeak        [ Harry R Hurley <hurley80@[removed]; ]

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:52:39 -0500
From: "Neil Marsh" <Neil@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  RE: "War of the Worlds" Musical

From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
Subject:  War of the Worlds musical

Garry Lewis commented:

Be Afraid, be very Afraid-
War Of the Worlds-the musical!
<snip>

Apparently Garry has not listened to this musical yet.

I, too, am stunned that he hasn't heard of it. I've had a copy of this
album in one form or another since 1978. I even corresponded with the
producer, Jeff Wayne, for a number of years in the early 1980s. I took
an interest in arranging and scoring, as well as synthesizers and modern
electronic music, because of this album. My home studio is a testament
to the powerful effect this album had on me. I even did my own
arrangement of the song "Forever Autumn", which was performed on the
album by Justin Hayward of the Moody Blues. You can listen to a MIDI
version of it at
[removed]

The album was released in the late Spring of 1978. By 1983, the album
had gone quad-platinum and was *still* in the top 100 albums on the UK
charts. It received the distinguished Ivor Novello award -- twice -- for
the "Best Instrumental and/or Popular Work" in science-fiction. In 1979
the double album won the "Best Recording In Science Fiction, Horror and
Fantasy" in the United States, (the judging panel included Stephen
Spielberg, Alfred Hitchcock and other films luminaries).

It is, by far, one of the best, and most successful, concept albums ever
produced. I agree with Martin that the idea of it is an immediate turn
off to ardent sci-fi fans, but if you're at all a fan of 70's-style
progressive rock, or of Richard Burton, or of artists like Justin
Hayward, David Essex, Phil Lynott, Chris Partridge and Julie Covington,
you should check it out. It can become quite an addiction!

-//

---
Neil Marsh * Neil@[removed]
Cambridge, MA * [removed]

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:53:48 -0500
From: Larry Gassman <lgsinger@[removed];
To: OTR Digest <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Jeopardy

SandySinger Wrote:

Much prefer Art Flemming as host of Jeopardy over the pompous Alex
Trebek.

Well, the first time I met Alex Trebek, John and I were getting ready to do
the Rose Parade for NPR and KPCC in Pasadena California.  We were
interviewing the grand martial and the Rose Queen and her court.  Alex was
there with the media and came up to us because he was curious as to what
was happening.
He found the concept of 2 blind people getting ready to describe a very
visual event to be fascinating.
We spoke for several minutes, and he was very warm and friendly.
Later when his name came up in conversations with others who worked in the
Radio and Television industry, he was always characterized in just that way.
Those who new him enjoyed working with him and said he was a class act.

BTW, To those who are going to SPERDVAC this weekend, have a great
time.  It looks as if it might be a good convention.  I will not be there
but John will on Saturday during the day.
Larry Gassman

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:53:57 -0500
From: Jer51473@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Bazooka bob burns
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Anyone know if any of his programs are available and how many are available.
Also, what was his connection to the rocket launcher of ww2 being called a
bazooka? Was it because it looked like burns bazooka? Has any one heard of how
the actor Eddie Albert had something to do with the ww2 bazooka or rocket
launcher? I seem to recall some type of connection.

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 13:54:11 -0500
From: "Richard  Carpenter" <sinatra@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Henry Aldrich

  When the calendar turned a page, I began listening to old-time radio
shows with a Thanksgiving theme. First up was a Henry Aldrich show, circa
1952. Henry was no longer being played by Ezra Stone and Homer was no
longer Jackie Kelk. Just wondering why those two left the show. Was it
voluntary?

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:41:43 -0500
From: Udmacon@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: "Can Anyone Confirm This"
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Sorry to blow up three beautiful stories concerning some nice people, but
[removed] reports that it's ain't true about Lee Marvin serving with Capt.
Kangaroo, and Fred Rogers never served in the military.

Marvin WAS in the military and is buried in Arlington as the story says.

Bill Knowlton

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:42:30 -0500
From: <nemesis@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  cancellation

Originally-To: <KNXDramaHourMail@[removed];

I can completely understand suspending the Drama Hour during emergencies
like the fires, earthquakes and such.

Why does one hour out of twenty-four so cripple the news capabilities of
your station?  Why do you run horse races?  Why do you provide sporting
events live?  This is not news, either--results are, not live action.
There's ESPN Radio for that.  Have these "services" been eliminated in the
"interests" of "...a 24/7 full-service news operation" as well?

Linda Thuringer

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 14:51:37 -0500
From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re: [removed] Kangaroo
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Both stories about Captain Kangaroo & [removed] are false.  The urban legends
website addresses both (and has a feature that addresses TV & radio legends,
like Uncle Don, the Lone Ranger and The Green Hornet).

[removed]

Dixon

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:11:15 -0500
From: Art Chimes <achimes@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Lee Marvin - Bob Keeshan urban legend

Jerry Lewine wonders about the long-discredit report that Lee Marvin was
injured on Iwo Jima, and that Bob Keeshan (Cap't Kangaroo) was his
sergeant there. Quick Google searches suggest only skeletal truth to
this rumor.

The story is discredited by the Urban Legends Reference Pages at
[removed]:

"Lee Marvin did enlist in the [removed] Marines, saw action as Private First
Class in the Pacific during World War II, and was wounded (in the
buttocks) by fire which severed his sciatic nerve. However, this injury
occurred during the battle for Saipan in June 1944, not the battle for
Iwo Jima, which took place several months later, in February 1945.
(Marvin also did receive a Purple Heart, and he is indeed buried at
Arlington National Cemetery.)

"Bob Keeshan, later famous as television's Captain Kangaroo also
enlisted in the [removed] Marines, but too late to see any action during
World War II. Keeshan was born on 27 June 1927 and enlisted two weeks
before his 18th birthday."

Likewise, Fred Rogers, who undoubtedly *was* a minister, but did not
serve in uniform. See
[removed]:

"Unless all the biographical information available about him is wrong,
Fred McFeely Rogers never served in the military in any capacity, let
alone as a Marine sniper (or Navy Seal, as another version of this
apocryphal story claims). ...

"Rumors to the contrary have circulated since the early 1990s. It's
unknown where, precisely, they began, but starting in 1994 stories about
Fred Rogers' supposed military exploits became a hot topic on the
Internet, escalating as the decade wore on. ...

"Predictably, Rogers' death in February 2003 sparked a resurgence in the
[removed]"

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:11:34 -0500
From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  no more drama hour on KNX

Is there anybody we can contact to bring this hour back?  I also notice
that the same guy on KFI is doing spots for KNX.  I too am really sorry
to see KNX drama hour go.  It was a show I would listen to compulsively
if I turned it on.  I would like to find a way to bring it back if
possible.  Kurt

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:11:47 -0500
From: "Kurt E. Yount" <blsmass@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  best place to obtain Jack Benny Shows

There is at least one person listening to Jack Benny in its entirity.  Is
there a best place, or most reputable, to obtain the Benny catalog on
MP3?  Does the Jack Benny fan club have one they support above others?  I
have never gotten heavily into Jack's show, but I am now finding them
more interesting.  Thank you.  Kurt Bee

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:12:13 -0500
From: danhughes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Lee Marvin, Capt Kangaroo, and Mr. Rogers
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Jerry, you were right about Mr. Rogers being a minister.  But all the
rest was wrong.
Here's what Snopes ([removed]) says:
Lee Marvin did enlist in the [removed] Marines, saw action as Private First
Class in the Pacific during World War II, and was wounded (in the
buttocks) by fire which severed his sciatic nerve. However, this injury
occurred during the battle for Saipan in June 1944, not the battle for
Iwo Jima, which took place several months later, in February 1945.
(Marvin also did receive a Purple Heart, and he is indeed buried at
Arlington National Cemetery.)
Bob Keeshan, later famous as television's "Captain Kangaroo," also
enlisted in the [removed] Marines, but too late to see any action during World
War II. Keeshan was born on 27 June 1927 and enlisted two weeks before
his 18th birthday, months too late to have taken part in the fighting at
Iwo Jima. A 1997 interview with Keeshan noted that he "later enlisted in
the [removed] Marines but saw no combat" because, as Keeshan said, he signed
up "just before we dropped the atom bomb."
And the Mr. Rogers story:
Fred Rogers served as a sniper or as a Navy Seal during the Vietnam War,
with a large number of confirmed kills to his credit.
This same rumor has often been applied to boyish country
singer-songwriter John Denver (among others), and it's just as false when
told of Fred Rogers. Not only did Fred Rogers never serve in the
military, there are no gaps in his career when he could conceivably have
served in the military  he went straight into college after high school,
he moved directly into TV work after graduating college, and his breaks
from television work were devoted to attending the Pittsburgh Theological
Seminary (he was ordained as a Presbyterian minister in 1963) and the
University of Pittsburgh's Graduate School of Child Development.
Moreover, Fred Rogers was born in 1928 and was therefore far too old for
an active combat position in the Vietnam War.
Fred Rogers always wore long-sleeved shirts and sweaters on his show to
conceal the tattoos on his arms he obtained while serving in the
military.
As noted above, Fred Rogers never served in the military, and he bore no
tattoos on his arms (or any other part of his body). He wore long-sleeved
shirts and sweaters on his show to maintain an air of formality 
although he was friendly with the children in his viewing audience and
talked to them on their own level, he was most definitely an authority
figure on a par with parents and teachers (he was Mister Rogers to them,
after all, not Fred), and his choice of dress was intended to establish
and foster that relationship.

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:12:50 -0500
From: "Sharon Wright" <write@[removed];
To: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Bold Venture

Hello,
I have been looking for the most complete set of Bold venture. Does anyone
know how many are available and where I can get them?
Sharon

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 16:21:02 -0500
From: Troubadourfilms@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Macabre
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Mike Kerezman writes:

Subject:  Macabre

I got a few new shows to listen to on Halloween. Thats new as in new to me.
One of them is a short lived show called Macabre. I could not find anything
about it in John Dunning's ON THE AIR. However, Dunning does include DARK
FANTASY which originated right here in Oklahoma City either. The opeing in
MACABRE refers to "The Far East Network". Can someone tell me more about this
show like where it came from?

The Far East Network (AFRTS) was based in Japan. Macabre ran for a very short
time from 11/14/61-18/62. Some of the shows in the series a good chillers:
The Midnight Horseman, The Avenger and Final Resting Place spring to mind. I
would
be interested reading some more information on the production of this show.

Rob Hindman
Kneeland Ca.

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:23:15 -0500
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  KNX Drama Hour

Sorry to see it go.

I see from the web site that one can DL 20 hours a month from RS for $20.
Anyone doing this? How's the quality?

Joe Salerno

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:23:28 -0500
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Amos & Andy reminder

Just a reminder that part 2 of the BBC program will air Tuesday (which is
tomorrow by the time you read these words) and should be available for
streaming a few hours after that. So probably by noon or so CST. The first
segment, on the early years was quite well done. Part 2 will be about the
sitcom years.

Joe Salerno

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:23:58 -0500
From: Kermyt Anderson <kermyta@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Mr Rogers & Captain Kangaroo

The story about Mr. Rogers being a Navy Seal is
hogwash, as he never served in the military (and began
his uninterrupted broadcasting career before the
Vietnam War began). Similarly, Lee Marvin and Bob
Keeshan (Capt. Kangaroo) never served together--in
fact, Keeshan enlisted four months after Iwo Jima, and
never saw action during the war.

You can find sites debunking these stories in just a
few seconds on google. The following sites give some
interesting background to these urban legends, and how
they have changed over time:

[removed]

[removed]

Kermyt

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:24:40 -0500
From: "Martin Grams, Jr." <mmargrajr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Looking for the CBS RMT episode

Mike Kerezman Jr asked:

I've been tring to find an episode I heard a few years ago on CBSRMT. I
heard it on Himan Brown's 1998 revival late one night. I don't remember the
title or the star but I remember toward the end it concerned Priest or
someone going to a crypt or masoleum (sic) and performing an exorcism to
cast out or away a demon. Thats not much to go on but its all I can remember
andt it was definitely heard on 1998 revival with Himan Brown as host.

Without having actually listened to this recording in recent months, I may
be wrong but the fact that Mike heard this during the 1998 revival
tremendously narrow down the possibilities.  This is probably the episode
Mike remembers . . .

EPISODE #542  "THE GOLDEN CAULDRON"  Broadcast June 30, 1975.
Rebroadcast November 4, 1975 and November 17, 1998 (revival).
Cast:  Paul Hecht (Brad Spencer); Russell Horton (Dennis Wentworth);
Patricia Elliott (Julie Chandler); Bob Dryden (Peter Brook); Clarice
Blackburn (Margaret Dawson).
Written for the CBS Radio Mystery Theater by Ralph Goodman.
Plot:  Brad Spencer, whose hobbies are crime stories and Druid mysteries,
finds a chance to combine both when he and traveling companion Dennis
Wentworth decide to stay overnight at a remote castle inn.  Peter Brook, the
castle guide, tells them of a sacred golden cauldron used in Druid
ceremonies and supposedly buried nearby.  Attempting to unravel the mystery
of the cauldron, Brad learns of another mystery - the death of Sir Laurence
and Lady Elaine, most recent owners of the castle.  Brad is close to solving
both mysteries but find he had a surfeit of suspects.

Source: THE CBS RADIO MYSTERY THEATER: AN EPISODE GUIDE AND HANDBOOK, 1974 -
1982
McFarland & Company, Inc., copyright 1999

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:25:13 -0500
From: Osborneam@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Macabre/Lee Marvin urban legend

In answer to Mike Kerezman's question about Macabre from
OTR Digest #395:

An original AFRS production, Macabre used enlisted men as actors.
Originating in the South Pacific, the show was actually quite good.  Gordon
Payton, the SciFi Guy, said "Recent research by Mike Ogden has uncovered a
few more than the original 8 shows that have been circulating for quite some
time.  The series now appears to have lasted several years beyond 1961-62."

Regarding the posting about Lee Marvin and Bob Keeshan
fighting side by side, it's an urban legend.  You can read
more at [removed]

And Jerry Lewine asks about a story circulating on the
internet about Fred Rogers (Mr. Rogers) in OTR Digest #396.  It is simply not
true.  He was never in the service nor
did he have any tattoos. You can read more about it at
[removed]

A great place to debunk a lot of the questionable stories that
arrive at one's email box is the Snopes site.  I usually go
right to [removed]
and check them out.

Arlene Osborne

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:25:31 -0500
From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Hindenburg fire and firing

I remember reading somewhere years ago a (likley fake) story about a
newsreel cameraman who was assigned to cover the arrival of the Hindenburg
at Lakehurst.  He decided to go off and do something else instead, figuring
that there would not be any significant  negative repercussions if he missed
one routine assignment.  When he heard the Hindenburg had come to its
spectacular end he didn't even bother to go back to his office and be fired;
instead he simply packed up his camera and shipped it back to the office of
the newsreel company.

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:53:05 -0500
From: "Andrew  Schneider" <madjack71@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Musical War of the Worlds

THE WAR OF THE WORLDS musical from 1976 with Richard
Burton is top of the line.

One correction: this came out in 1978--which makes this the 25th
anniversary.  It's a shame no one thought to re-release it in a
commemorative edition.

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Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 17:53:14 -0500
From: Harry R Hurley <hurley80@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Reel to reel tapes that squeak

Hi everybody,

I've been given some otr reel to reel tapes and have not been able to
enjoy listening to them because they cause the player to squeak very
loudly.  Is there anyway to correct this problem?  Thanks for your help.

Harry Hurley

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