Subject: [removed] Digest V2004 #367
From: <[removed]@[removed]>
Date: 11/17/2004 6:33 AM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2004 : Issue 367
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                             [removed]
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  HONEST HAROLD                         [ StuartLubin@[removed] (Stuart Lubin ]
  WTIC's "The Golden Age of Radio"      [ "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed]; ]
  Re:MP3 Auto-recording Multiple Progr  [ Don Shenbarger <donslistmail@sbcglo ]
  "Worthwhile?" It's up to [removed]        [ Wich2@[removed] ]
  Unidentified Chicago-based Soap Oper  [ Gregg Oppenheimer <gopp@[removed]; ]
  11-17 births deaths                   [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
  In Memory of Dayton Allen and Norman  [ "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed]; ]
  Rochester                             [ Dixonhayes@[removed] ]
  Fw: TM Bar                            [ "Jim Harmon" <jimharmonotr@charter. ]
  sexy voice                            [ "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@charter ]
  Shirley Temple at FBC mic             [ "bobb lynes" <iairotr@[removed]; ]
  Ed Kemmer WAS Buzz Corry              [ "bobb lynes" <iairotr@[removed]; ]
  Rochester's heart attack              [ JackBenny@[removed] ]
  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Nig  [ charlie@[removed] ]
  First Female DJ?                      [ "Austotr" <austotr@[removed]; ]

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:51:47 -0500
From: StuartLubin@[removed] (Stuart Lubin)
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  HONEST HAROLD

I am not going to be the first one to jump on Al Girard's posting of
today.  The actress in Honest Harold was Mary JANE Croft, not Mary ANNE.
No big deal, considering all the mistakes I have made.
I recently posted about visiting the Beulah Show, and Mary Jane was a
daily regular, being Beulah's employer, [removed] She was a delight
to speak to after the show and was always available.  In spite of
experiencing this, when she visited a SPERDVAC onvention after her
husband, Elliott Lewis died, I felt intimidated and didn't go up to her.
(It was nothing SHE did.)  I did get to talk to her and reminisce about
Beulah and Ozzie and Harriet when she later came to a SPERDVAC meeting.
She was as warm as she had been in the fifties.  I am sorry to report
that she has since passed on.

Stuart Lubin

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:52:42 -0500
From: "Bob Scherago" <rscherago@[removed];
To: "Old Time Radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  WTIC's "The Golden Age of Radio"

The second show in the series "The Golden Age of Radio"
which aired on WTIC in Hartford, CT, in the '70's, hosted
by Dick Bertel and Radio Collector Ed Corcoran, is now
available as an MP3 file at

[removed]

This program aired in May, 1970, and features Charles
Harrell, Eastern Program Director for the NBC Blue
and ABC Radio Networks

I'm going to try to put a new show up every week or so.

Bob Scherago
Department of Redundancy Department
Voice of America
Washington, DC

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:54:13 -0500
From: Don Shenbarger <donslistmail@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Re:MP3 Auto-recording Multiple Programs

On 11/16/2004 Brent Pellegrini asked:

RECORDING OTR FROM TAPES TO COMPUTER?
I'm in the process of getting rid of all my reel to reel tapes and getting
them on mp3. Does any one know of any software that can record from the reel
player to the computer that will recognize when a show ends and create a new
track for the next show? Otherwise everything is on one track.

MusicMatch Julkebox can do what you ask. My version ([removed]) is not current,
but I expect the feature is in the latest version as well. Check the
computer and operating system requirements before installing MMJ. MMJ
includes the Fraunhofer MP3 encoder which is the best in my opinion. There
are some settings in the advanced section to enable mono and set the
processing level higher which is helpful in math-intensive, low bit rate
recordings typical with OTR. It has a learning curve but will yield good
results in the end.

MMJ is a Windows application but will work in Virtual PC on a Macintosh.
Thom Bray is using it that way to generate the audio stream programs for
his web broadcast on Live365:
[removed]

 From the help section of MMJ:

Auto Song Detect

Menu Path: Options/Settings/Recorder/Advanced

When recording from an outside source like a tape recorder or vinyl album,
use Auto Song Detect. This setting is useful to detect the end of songs in
order to create individual MP3 files of each song.

Gap Length - Determines how long a pause MUSICMATCH should listen for after
a song has ended, and the beginning of the next song.

Gap Level - Tells MUSICMATCH to listen for a certain volume level that
helps determine when the track is over.

Don Shenbarger

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:54:45 -0500
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  "Worthwhile?" It's up to [removed]

Dear Jim, & Gang-

From: <otrbuff@[removed]
Considering where we are now and where we were a decade ago
at these conventions, I can't help but wonder where we might be in the year
2014.

Well, the realities of life do indeed dictate that there will be less numbers
of ex-original performers (now in their 80's), and ex-original listeners (now
in their 60's). The $64,000 Question is, then:

Can/should Golden Age Radio fandom survive beyond them?

Will there be enough who remember "the good old days" without an
overarching pall of sadness due to dwindling numbers?

An antidote to that "pall," is gratitude for the work of the "those whose
shoulders we stand on," as well as an active nurturing of new blood - like
that of the High School students who both watched, and performed, at FOTR.

I know that some seem to feel that this fandom should naturally decrease, as
the numbers of it's first generation do; I would counter, that Silent Film
lovers have kept their field vital, beyond it's pioneers - and their roots
were 30 years earlier than ours. You can discover OTR - and NTR/MAD - anew, &
love it; you don't have to just "remember" it.

I, for one, vote to keep the torch lit - and to pass it on.

Best,
-Craig

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:54:58 -0500
From: Gregg Oppenheimer <gopp@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Unidentified Chicago-based Soap Opera

I'm trying to identify a radio soap opera, but all I know about it is
that it was broadcast coast-to-coast some time between 1944 and 1948
and that it was directed by Burr Lee. Can anyone tell me what show this
may have been?

- Gregg Oppenheimer
[removed]

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 14:55:07 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  11-17 births deaths

November 17th births

11-17-1898 - "Quin" Ryan - d. 10-1978
announcer, actor: "Quin Ryan Reports"; "Uncle Quin"; "Uncle Quin's Scalawags"
11-17-1901 - Ted Husing - The Bronx, NY - d. 8-10-1962
announcer, sportscaster: "Sportslants"; "March of Time"; "Radio Reader's
Digest"
11-17-1905 - Josef Marais - Sir Lowey's Pass, South Africa - d. 4-26-1978
singer: "African Trek/Sundown on the Veld"; "Meredith Willson Show"
11-17-1905 - Mischa Auer - St. Petersburg, Russia - d. 3-5-1967
actor: "Mischa the Magnificent"
11-17-1907 - L. Sprague de Camp - NYC - d. 11-6-2000
science fiction writer: "X-Minus One"; "Future Tense"
11-17-1911 - Jack Lescoulie - Sacramento, CA - d. 7-22-1987
announcer, emcee: "Grouch Club"; "Meet the Champions"
11-17-1916 - Frank Maxwell - The Bronx, NY - d. 8-5-2004
actor: Uthas P. Garvey "Colonel Humphrey Slack"
11-17-1918 - Paul Crabtree - Pulaski, VA - d. 3-9-1979
actor: David Naughton "Claudia and David"
11-17-1925 - Rock Hudson - Winnetka, IL - d. 10-2-1985
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
11-17-1937 - Peter Cook - Devonshire, England - d 1-9-1995
actor: "Paul Temple, Dectective"

November 17th deaths

06-01-1887 - Clive Brook - London, England - d. 11-17-1974
actor: Sherlock Holmes "Sherlock Holmes"
06-15-1861 - Ernestine Schumann-Heink - Prague, Czechoslovkia - d. 11-17-1936
singer: "Enna Jettick Melodies"; "Hoover Sentinels Serenade"
07-24-1916 - Bob Eberly - Mechanicsville, NY - d. 11-17-1981
singer: (Jimmy Dorsey Band)
08-19-1903 - Claude Dauphin - Corbeil, France - d. 11-17-1978
actor: "As Easy as [removed]"
09-15-1904 - Sheilah Graham - London, England - d. 11-17-1988
gossip columnist: Intermission Guest :Lux Radio Theatre"
10-05-1903 - Jimmy Ritz - Newark, NJ - d. 11-17-1985
comedian: (The Ritz Brothers) "Hollywood Hotel"
11-24-1900 - Ireene Wicker - Quincy, IL - d. 11-17-1987
actress: (The Singing Lady) Sylvia Bertram "Road of Life"; Eileen Moran
"Today's Children"
12-18-1888 - Dame Gladys Cooper - Lewisham, England - d. 11-17-1971
actress: "Fleischmann's Yeast Hour"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
[removed]

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:08:43 -0500
From: "Derek Tague" <derek@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  In Memory of Dayton Allen and Norman Rose
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On a sad note, Gang:

Go to  the ENTERTAINMENT INSIDERS website at
[removed] to
read brief articles concerning the grossly underreported deaths of TV comic
Dayton Allen, who died Thursday,
11/11, at the age of 85 of natural causes, and of OTR character actor Norman
Rose, who passed away from pneumonia
on Friday, 11/12, at the age of 87.

NYC-based Norman Rose did a great deal of radio [removed] lotsa eps of
CBSRMT. From the aforesaid website,
I just learned that he used to narrate the TV ads for that ever-popular
caffeine connoisseur "Juan Valdez," & also
was hired by National Lampoon to narrate for their LP "Radio Dinner" the poem
"Deteriorata," which was a hilarious
send-up of a popular early 1970s recording  by TV host Les Crane of the Max
Ehrmann poem "Desiderata."

I'm not sure if Dayton Allen ever was on OTR, but his three major distinctions
definitely have OTR connexions:
1) work with Steve Allen; 2) voices for various puppets on "Howdy Doody"; and
3) his comedy LP "Why Not?',
which capitalized on his early 1960s catch-phrase.  Allen also provided voices
for Terrytoons product such as
"Heckle & Jeckle" and  "Deputy Dawg," and for "Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp."

One of Allen's survivors is his brother, actor Bradley Bolke, who almost made
it to the comedy panel at last month's
FOTR. Bolke was the voice of Nikita Khrushchev on Vaughn Meader's "First
Family" LPs as well as a cartoon voice-
man in his own right, having provided voices such as Chumley, the Walrus, &
Jeraboa Jump on TV's "Tennessee
Tuxedo & His Tales," & as a dim-witted elf in the holiday season perennial
"The Year Without a Santa Claus."

Respectfully,

Derek Tague

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 18:55:02 -0500
From: Dixonhayes@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Rochester

In a message dated 11/16/2004 12:08:34 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[removed]@[removed] writes:

I believe the show aired on Jack's birthday, 14 February 1958, so
please check the date on the magazine and let us know.

Yes, that's the correct date.  The magazine is from February 1958 and makes a
big deal out of Jack's birthday.  Evidently this was the correct show.

Dixon

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 20:08:42 -0500
From: "Jim Harmon" <jimharmonotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  Fw: TM Bar

Hello -- I'm offering some observations on the Nov. 12, 13, 14 2004 old time
radio convention for SPERDVAC.  My wife,  Barbara and I had a good time.  The
only bad thing is seeing the ranks of the OTR performers and creators
thinning, and even those of our fellow members.  We went in the hotel site for
the con, the Hacienda (definitely not Class A, but one the club can afford)
Friday and saw Anthony Tollin (our recent visitor) directing Harlan Ellison in
a play from Mysterious Traveler, along with some pros and amateurs.   Harlan
was fine.  I was only a few feet from him in the first row and he didn't say
anything to me, or even nod.  We have known each other for about fifty years
(literally). Tollin said later that he could read the script but he did not
have his distance vision glasses, and may not have seen me.  He had to drive
home at night with prescription sunglasses.
    After that presentation at the banquet (bad, almost non-existent food),
there was a re-creation of Duffy's Tavern with Ben Cooper (often Western in
films) as Archie, with an original Miss Duffy.   Frank Bresee's  friend,
Sandra Gould (now gone) also played the part at one time.
The singer on the show for a time, Bob Graham, did his original part and song
-- singing near flawlessly Au Capella since there was no orchestra, just
recorded bridges.  He's about 85.
    Next day we had to get up a five thirty to pick up Frank Bresee at his
Hollywood Hills house at seven.   I warned Barbara that it was extremely hard
to find in those narrow, winding streets.   She missed on the first try, but
rapidly found it on the second.  (I have wondered around there much longer
trying to find it.)  Frank, Barbara and I got to our panel, which I chaired.
There were probably too many people involved.  Besides us, there were Frank
Thomas, Jan Merlin, Hal Stone(radio actors, of course, as well as singers),
and radio book writers Jim Cox, Jack French, Laura Leff.   I tried to manage
it as well as possible, and several people (including panelists French and
Gould complimented me on doing a good job).  Of course, I threw in my usual
comments from time to time.  French said his book on lady detectives was
turned down first because he only had
eleven women and that wasn't enough for a book.   I said "One could go back
through history.  Alexander Dumas went to his publisher with an idea for a
novel about a musketeer.  The publisher said "No, no, one musketeer is not
enough."  For some reason that got a tremendous laugh.
I went on "And then there was that on-air announcement -- 'Stay tuned for a
dramatization of "The Three Musketeers" by Alexander Dumbass.' "
    Later we saw a presentation by a group of young professionals, New
Frequencies,  who do  paid stage presentations of radio drama -- new stuff,
like a horror story they did (not too bad), and then one of Fibber McGee and
Molly.   They just did not understand the mood, style, pace of an old show
like that and it didn't work for me, although most of the audience liked it.
    In the evening there was another banquet with somewhat more filling food
but not on my diet although I ate it (chicken in batter, green beans, etc.)
The shows were Jack Benny with very fine Benny impersonator, Eddie Carrol (who
was on the Benny show as one of the kids in a club, regulars on the series)
and others.   Then Harold Gould did an excellent job as Fred Allen, ad libbing
in character, but the material was weak -- three trips of Allen's Alley with
Senator Claghorn, Mrs. Mussbaum, Alax Cassidy.   Two was enough.  Leave them
wanting more, not less.
    In between the parts of the official program I saw and talked to many
people, old friends like Jack French and Millie Morse, Carlton's widow; radio
people like Barbara Fuller, Claudia on One Man's Family, also Wild Bill
Elliot's leading lady in films. I gave her a book and sold other books from a
convenient bag Barbara always totes, buying some, and trading for one.   I
came out about even.
    This morning we had breakfast with a well-known rightwing activist.   I
only shook hands with him, but Barbara kissed him.  A few hundred others
joined us for breakfast (a really bontiful buffet) with Art Linkletter, now 92
years old.  He gave a long talk afterward, full of hilarious stories.  He did
lose his train of thought a couple of times and had to be reminded, but he is
more intelligent than most of the people around under forty.  He is obviously
a compassionate conservative and has spent the last thirty years doing nothing
but work for various charities.   He talked about his shows, of course, where
he talked to kids.  One boy was downcast.  His dog had died only days before.
Art told him "You will see your dog in Heaven one day."  The kid replied "What
would God want with a dead dog?"
    When I shook hands with him later I said "I won't wash that hand for a
year."  He said "I hope it isn't the hand you eat with."
    As I walked back to the car, the guy who runs everything, Bobb Lynnes,
happened to be walking along with me.  "There should be some kind of special
Jim Harmon Award, named for you.   None of this would exist without you.
There was no radio fandom before your 'Great Radio Heroes'.   You changed the
world."  I must admit I have often thought the same thing, not being very
modest, but I was glad to hear Bob say it -- it would have been nicer if he
had said it before the whole convention.
    We went on concerning the subject for awhile, and I pointed out the
Zeigiest theory of history is that if a prominent figure like Napoleon (naming
a figure of similar stature to mine) had not lived, someone like him would
have arouse.   Bob said "Yeah, someone else might have done it, but you did do
it."  Bless you, Bob -- you have supported OTR on and off the air for many
years yourself, and ran a fine convention.
    -- Jim Harmon

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 21:34:03 -0500
From: "Michael Leannah" <mleannah@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  sexy voice

On the subject of sexy radio voices, no one's mentioned the show "Lonesome
Gal." This was a show that had little to offer other than a sexy voice. Does
anyone out there remember enjoying this show when it was on?

Mike Leannah
Sheboygan, Wisconsin

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:20:00 -0500
From: "bobb lynes" <iairotr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Shirley Temple at FBC mic

Hi,

Russ Butler asks about the picture of a young Shirley Temple at an old RCA
mic.  I'm sure it was a publicity/posed shot for one her Fox movies in which
she appears on a radio show.  Without checking my collection of Shirley's
films, could the "F" in FBC stand for "Federal", "Federated" or
[removed]"Fox"?   Just a thought.

Bobb

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2004 23:30:17 -0500
From: "bobb lynes" <iairotr@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Ed Kemmer WAS Buzz Corry

HI,

Sad to hear about Ed Kemmer's death.  A real nice guy and he WAS Buzz Corry.
  He should've become a much more famous actor than he was.  And he was a
real life WW2 hero.
I watched "Space Patrol" from the very first day it was telecast live from
the old KECA-TV (Channel 7) studios in Hollywood.  That was the original 15
minute version of the show.  Ed ,Lynn(Cadet Happy), Ken (Robbie),
Virginia(Carol), Nina (Tonga) were my friends in space for many years and
adventures after that day.  I even loved "hating" Bela Kovacs (Bacarratti)!
I recall when Ed Kemmer replaced Glenn Denning (Kit Corry) as the star of
Space Patrol.    I never missed a show, until I was hospitalized for an
appendectomy at age 15.  I remember that Lynn Osborn (in real life) had also
had that operation and Norman Jolley wrote it into the plot, with Happy off
the series for a while to recuperate. Yes, an appendectomy in the 23rd
century!   Cadet Happy incouraged me by his [removed] he could  take it,
so could I.  And I did.
Ed was a wonderful role model, something all kids (young and old) today are
sadly in need of.
I had the pleasure of meeting him at the 1996 SPERDVAC convention when he
again did his role in a re-creation of Space [removed] he was great!

So long, Commander!

Bobb

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:29:12 -0500
From: JackBenny@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  Rochester's heart attack

Dixon Hayes writes:

I wonder if that's the one where Eddie Anderson had an on-set  heart attack
during rehearsal.

Yup, that was the one.  One of the dancers on the show was in contact  with
me some time ago, and recalled the incident.

--Laura  Leff
President, IJBFC
[removed]

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:29:57 -0500
From: charlie@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject:  #OldRadio IRC Chat this Thursday Night!

A weekly [removed]

For the best in OTR Chat, join IRC (Internet Relay Chat), StarLink-IRC
Network, the channel name is #OldRadio.  We meet Thursdays at 8 PM Eastern
and go on, and on! The oldest OTR Chat Channel, it has been in existence
over six years, same time, same channel! Started by Lois Culver, widow
of actor Howard Culver, this is the place to be on Thursday night for
real-time OTR talk!

Our "regulars" include OTR actors, soundmen, collectors, listeners, and
others interested in enjoying OTR from points all over the world. Discussions
range from favorite shows to almost anything else under the sun (sometimes
it's hard for us to stay on-topic)...but even if it isn't always focused,
it's always a good time!

For more info, contact charlie@[removed]. We hope to see you there, this
week and every week!

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:30:32 -0500
From: "Austotr" <austotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject:  First Female DJ?

G'Day folks.

[removed] is a great site and is about Jean Hay, known as
Beverly.  However I disagree with the statement on the site saying that "She
was the world's very first female disc jockey".  The webmaster says that the
statement refers to the fact that she was the first heard in 54 Countries,
thanks to AFRS.  But thats not how I read the statement and as I read it,
the statement is incorrect.  In Australia we had women run their own
sessions, including spinning discs, in the early 1930s and the idea came
from the [removed] Does anyone know who was the first Female Disc Jockey (did
that term exist then?)?

Who, Male and Female were the first Disc Jockeys (for want of a better term)
in the [removed] and who may give Jean Hay a run for the World wide title as well?
What should Jean Hay's claim to fame actually be, there is no doubt she
deserves a title.  But World's first female Disc Jockey isn't it.

Ian

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