Subject: [removed] Digest V2002 #117
From: "OldRadio Mailing Lists" <[removed]@[removed];
Date: 3/26/2002 10:03 AM
To: <[removed]@[removed];

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                            The Old-Time Radio Digest!
                              Volume 2002 : Issue 117
                         A Part of the [removed]!
                                 ISSN: 1533-9289


                                 Today's Topics:

  Re: Radio Scripts                     [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Bob Hastings & Hal Stone              [ leemunsick@[removed] ]
  New pic of the Jordans                [ "welsa" <welsa@[removed]; ]
  Re: Allen 10/18/39                    [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
  Re: Broadcasting from Tables          [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
  Newark Convention                     [ BrianWest2@[removed] ]
  The Jints and the Bums                [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
  Grand Central Station Vs. Terminal    [ Tony Palermo <Palermo@[removed]; ]
  how many radios?                      [ Maxjo@[removed] ]
  Why No Award Show?                    [ "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@hotm ]
  Re: Cinncy Con Info                   [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
  Looking for My Little Margie          [ "Bill May" <slickwilly5@[removed] ]
  a bad memory                          [ "bygeorge" <bygeorge@[removed]; ]
  Re: Why No Award Show?                [ "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed]; ]
  Arsenic and Old Lace on TV            [ "Mark E. Higgins" <paul_frees_fan@a ]
  Halls Of Ivy Episode                  [ N&B Brickman <nbb@[removed]; ]
  Shows in the public domain            [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
  Baby Snooks                           [ Gayland Darnell <hankie01@[removed] ]

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:42:24 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Radio Scripts

I did a dumb thing. (Certainly not the first time).

When working on my e-mail, I inadvertently erased the last Digest after
reading it, and before I could respond to a question that was asked of me.

It had something to do with script "security". In all the years we did
"Archie'..I never had to turn in my script after a broadcast. Sometimes, I'd
bring it home with me, sometimes they would just get tossed into a
wastebasket, and frequently, I'd autograph it and give it to a fan.
(Specially if they were cute females). :)

By the way, I realize I never acknowledged Harry Bartells' input re radio
salaries. Harry certainly put it into perspective when he talked about the
cost of things back then. Harry? How much do you think that $[removed] a month
apartment would cost in todays dollars?

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:42:17 -0500
From: leemunsick@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Bob Hastings & Hal Stone

Hal Stone mentioned wanting to stay near Bob Hastings to point out where
they were in a script, when Bob's mind wandered.  I'm sure this was said in
jest and to needle Bobby.

Put such fears aside, Hal.  I appeared in a small part in a re-creation on
one of those infamous "flimsy riser" lineups a few years back, with Bob
Hastings and others.  At one point, director Arthur Anderson stared over my
head at the SFX guys behind me, and I held up a second or so on my line
which was next, checking the script and thinking perhaps they had missed a cue.

Bobby was standing two people away from me.  He jumped over to my mike and
threw in my line, which worked in the story line.  And the show went on.

I apologized to Arthur and to Bob, and thanked Bob for saving my butt.  I
should point out that he is of course much, much older than I am.  So how
come he looks 20 years younger than I?

But of course we were both a few years younger [removed] two or
three?  In any case, his remarkable ease and generosity should especially
not go unrewarded.  Bob Hastings is a gem and we all love him.  Just please
don't sing again!

Thanks again Bob Hastings!    Tah-dah!

Lee Munsick

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 13:11:26 -0500
From: "welsa" <welsa@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: New pic of the Jordans

I recently came across a June, 1940 issue of Movie and Radio Guide Magazine.
Not much interesting inside.  But I bought it because of the cover.  It was
a natural color (not hand-tinted) photo of Jim & Marian Jordan as Fibber
McGee & Molly.  It's the first time I've seen a color photo of them.

It has been scanned and Charlie was nice enough to put it on the web site.
Go to
[removed] to see it.  Click on the small
photo to enlarge it.

Ted

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:03:53 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Allen 10/18/39

On 3/25/02 12:46 PM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:

I'm doubtful there is a recording of the show, but can't say so
categorically--can anyone else? If so, let me know and I can let my Forum
poster off the hook. I just need to know if anyone has it in their
collection or knows where it can be found.

Most Allen programs from 1935-40 *do* exist in recorded form. The
original discs are housed at the Library of Congress, and tape copies are
available for on-premises listening in the Rare Books Department at the
Boston Public Library.

The 10/18/39 program with Autry as guest is definitely among the
surviving programs: you'll find it listed as LOC Shelf Number RWA 3249
A1-4. It's not available for general circulation, however, until someone
manages to license the rights from the BPL Trustees and putting out a
proper boxed set of Allen's 1930s work. It would be possible to get a
copy of the program for non-commercial use, however, by following the LOC
protocols I've outlined in previous posts.

Elizabeth

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:21:44 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Broadcasting from Tables

Conrad Binyon shows and discusses some interesting examples at:
[removed]

Perhaps the discussion of doing broadcasts sitting or standing can be
divided between two categories--most drama and large cast comedies were
done standing, but most news, talk, and panel programs were done
seated.  That would explain the seating of Fletcher Wiley and Galen
Drake that Conrad discusses.   Those were of that second category.  But
in drama, Lionel Barrymore's physical problems make it obvious that he
would remain seated, but the rest of the cast probably stood, right?.
(To complete your first caption, Conrad, let's ask Bill Murtough if the
microphone in the CBS picture is an RCA 77-A.  That's what it appears to
be, but I do notice a couple of things that are now making me
suspicious.)

Godfrey always sat for the same reasons--sometimes it was all he could
do to walk onto stage, which he always did at top speed--just to get to
that chair!  But most of his programs were of the DJ and then panel/talk
types.  His Little Godfreys sat when they talked with him, but they did
stand when they performed.  But he usually remained seated when he
sang.)

Major Bowes is usually pictured seated for the Amateur Hour.  I have a
feeling that the contestants usually stood during the interview as well
as for their presentation.  I believe there are some films.  The Quiz
Kids sat, but I think the Quizmaster Joe Kelly stood.  Groucho sat on a
tall stool behind a desk, but the contestants and George Feneman stood.
I wonder if this is how it was done when it was just a radio program.

Other early TV programs show that there is a great variation there, and
some of this might be preferences of these radio folk, while some is for
the camera.  The layout of two other early shows are similar to
Groucho's but are somewhat reversed.  Herb Shriner's "Two For The Money"
has the contestants standing at a desk set in Groucho's position while
Herb stands at a microphone where Groucho's contestants would have
been.  This is also how Bud Collyer did "Beat the Clock" except that Bud
has his microphone tucked under his armpit!  But Bud and everyone else
sits in "To Tell The Truth", and almost all other panel shows.  However,
Allen Ludden stands in "Password" while everyone else sits.  Bill Cullen
leans against or half-sits on a large box in "The Price Is Right", but
the contestants sit.  As some of these people and programs came out of
radio--and some were still doing radio at this time--there probably were
a lot of variations in these types of radio programs.

But I think that everyone considered that the original question was
mainly concerning dramas and cast comedies, and for these, as was said,
usually everyone was standing--and most of the exceptions mentioned were
two-person programs.  Nobody mentioned Peg Lynch, and she always does
her modern Ethel and Albert programs sitting.

Michael Biel  mbiel@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:30:14 -0500
From: BrianWest2@[removed]
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Newark Convention

I keep reading about a FOTR Convention in Newark. Can anybody give me any
[removed], where, cost, [removed] Thanks

Brian

[ADMINISTRIVIA: See [removed] - although all of the info you seek
isn't there yet for this year's convention, some preliminary information will
be posted in the next few days. (Blame yours-truly for the delay, not the
planning committee.) --cfs3]

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:55:12 -0500
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: The Jints and the Bums

Hal Stone said:

SIGH! Because Irene had such nice things to say about me, I am forced to
forgive her family for being [removed] Giants baseball team fans. I grew up as a
rabid Brooklyn Dodger fan. You could not be a Dodger fan unless you hated
the Giants. Irene certainly disproves the fact that Giant fans had no taste.
:)

I apologize to non-baseball fans who will be bored with my comments and
suggest you just scroll down to the next message,  but I do remind you all
that baseball and radio were a great team.

Hal,  thank you for the compliment.   And back to you with it.  You are
absolutely right.  Giant fans felt the same way about Dodger fans.  I would
have been disappointed if you had felt otherwise.

Going to Giant-Dodger games at the great Polo Grounds (Ebbets Field was ok
too) was a great experience, the best.

Don't forget it was the Dodger organization that decided to leave NYC,
dragging the Giants along.   What a sad day.   However, in 1958 I went to
the SF Bay area to attend college at Cal and my Giants moved there as well.
I have had a continuous relationship for about 56 years.

I will confess that I had a secret crush on Duke Snider which I never
admitted to other Giant fans.

Not to rub salt in an old wound but I also have an autographed picture of
Ralph Branca who delivered the pitch to Bobby Thomson which was "heard round
the world" -- a glorious memory.

And radio played an important role in the lives of Giant and Dodger fans who
were abandoned in NY.  After they left,  fans like my father were forced to
listen to simulated game broadcasts produced from wire reports, on the
radio.   Sad.

Drysdale and Gil Hodges were greats, I'll admit but I also admired another
Hodges, the great Giants announcer Russ who came out here with the team.

Irene
IreneTH@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:56:01 -0500
From: Tony Palermo <Palermo@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Grand Central Station Vs. Terminal

A friend of mine is a NYC MTA building honcho and he took me on a tour
when they were renovating their large train station which is officially
called the Grand Central Terminal. However, the OTR show titled, "Grand
Central Station" became popular and the radio name got stuck to the
physical building. MTA folks HATE to call it other than the Terminal,
but now wrong is right.

Also: inside the Terminal, on a second floor, were the old original NBC
TV studios--which are now tennis [removed] with glassed in control
rooms.

- ----------------------------------------------------------------
Tony Palermo  - Los Angeles, USA
Palermo@[removed]

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:55:21 -0500
From: Maxjo@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: how many radios?

i remember in the fall of 1938 my dad came home with a big (to me) cardboard
box.
it contained a zenith table model wooden [removed] operated on a six volt car
battery sitting on our back [removed] was hooked up to a wind charger on our
windmill tower.
it had a sailing ship engraved or etched on the glass tuning [removed] believe
it was a clipper [removed] you pushed in on the tuning dial it was backlit at
night it was really [removed] had a shortwave band and a police band way
down at the end of the [removed] [removed] used that radio for many years,until we
got electricity in our home after [removed] we got a philco. i've currently
got about 25 or 30 radios,but unfortunately you can't hear fibber and molly
or the lone ranger on any of them.
max salathiel
del city oklahoma

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:31:16 -0500
From: "George Tirebiter" <tirebiter2@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Why No Award Show?

Hello All,

Rons Sayles wrote:

Well, another awards presentation has come and gone. They present awards for
just about anything these days. For all you scholars out there, why was there
never an awards show for radio? This is something that has puzzled me for a
long time.

A darn good question.  Especially when you consider that the then infant 
medium of television awarded its first Emmy awards in 1949.  Radio was still 
the dominant broadcasting medium then, but it didn't have an equivalent 
award.  Very strange.

George

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:07:50 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Cinncy Con Info

Frank Kelly asks;

what are the dates and location of the Cincinatti convention?

Frank, if you e-mail Bob Burchett at <haradio@[removed];, he'll send you
the information. The dates are April 19/20. with an informal get together
the evening of the 18th. As far as the [removed]( I hate myself)..It's in
Cincinnati. :)

I hear it's lots of fun. Hope you can make it. There can never be enough
Irish at the party!

Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:05:58 -0500
From: "Bill May" <slickwilly5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Looking for My Little Margie
X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from text/html

Hello! I have been receiving the digest for some time now and enjoy it
immensely. I've picked up some good tips along with all the entertaining
discussions. I was wondering if any of the readers can suggest how I
might get hold of any "My Little Margie" shows, also any "Mr. and Mrs.
North" programs. Any leads would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your
help.

Bill in Toronto

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:43:33 -0500
From: "bygeorge" <bygeorge@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: a bad memory

hello fellow otr supporters!
i need a little help in tracking down a show that i recall hearing on a
public radio station(reruns, of course) in the late 70s or early 80s. i
cannot recall the series name, but the episode was called: THE NIGHT THE
 FOG CAME(really creepy). i also seem to recall frank lovejoy as one of
the leads. the same series came on the next with an episode named: THE
MASK OF AJOR. can anyone help me find the the show i am am looking for?

thanks,
randy

btw, i am looking forward to seeing many of you at the cincy con in
april.:)

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 20:51:24 -0500
From: "Michael Hayde" <mmeajv@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Why No Award Show?

Ron Sayles asks:

For all you scholars out there, why was there
never an awards show for radio? This is something that has puzzled me for a
long time.

Again, I'm not the OTR expert I hope to become, but what about the awards
named for George Foster Peabody?  What little I know about them stems from
the infamous comment made by Groucho Marx after winning one for YOU BET YOUR
LIFE: "It's a good thing the guy died, otherwise we couldn't have won any
prizes."

Michael

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:15:30 -0500
From: "Mark E. Higgins" <paul_frees_fan@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Arsenic and Old Lace on TV

	For my money, I don't think there has ever been a more entertaining
play than Arsenic and Old Lace.  I only wish that I could have
experienced the original.  I don't know if the author did any rewrites
after the casting of Karloff as Jonathan Brewster, but the "He said I
looked like Boris Karloff" line must have brought the house down every
night.  I have seen stills from the stage play, one particularly
standing out of Karloff tying Allyn Joslyn (Mortimer) to a chair (You
may recall Joslyn as Cousin Albert in "Heaven can Wait" with Don Ameche
- another of my favorites).
	I recall a version of the play done for television in the late 60's
(I'm almost positive that it was 1969).  My guess is that it was
Hallmark Hall of Fame.  I believe that Bob Crane starred as Mortimer
Brewster, and the part of Jonathan was played by Fred Gwynne (again
following in Karloff's footsteps - Gwynne played the Frankensteinish
part of Herman Munster on "The Munsters").  I wonder if anyone else
recalls this version.  It will probably go down as another of
televisions lost treasures, like Frank Langella's portrayal of Sherlock
Holmes in the HBO version of William Gillette's play.  AH, Memories!!!

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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:58:37 -0500
From: N&B Brickman <nbb@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Halls Of Ivy Episode

I am trying to find someone who has the Halls Of Ivy episode from
Christmas 1950, entitled "Christmas Comes To Ivy," also known as "The
Gangster And The Christmas Tree."  Please contact me directly at
nbb@[removed] if you have this episode and would be willing to share it.
It would be greatly appreciated and hopefully I could return the favor
from among the other episodes that I have.

Thank you.

		Norman Brickman

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 01:23:39 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Shows in the public domain

Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 14:00:01 -0500
From: "" <cooldown3@[removed];

are you able to post a list of shows that are absolutely public domain?

It would be very hard for anyone to do that.  The rules about what is or
isn't under copyright
are very complicated.  Prior to 1972, it was not possible to get a federal
copyright on any
sound recording.  That means that the copyright of the performance is
governed by state
common law.  State courts generally have held that the whoever owns the
copyright on the
manuscript controls all derivative works, such as performances.  The
copyright law provides
that a performance does not constitute publication.  Therefore, most
manuscripts are
unpublished works. That means that their copyrights run for the life of the
author plus 70
years, even if created before 1 January 1978.  There's no renewal requirement.

Even if there were a renewal requirement, under the 1989 legislation
conforming [removed]
copyright law to the Berne Convention, renewals are automatic.

So you cannot assume that the failure to file a renewal notice for radio
shows puts them in
the public domain.  About the only way you can be certain that something is
in the public
domain is if you get information to that effect by the person who would
otherwise control the
copyright.  Good luck.

--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed]                           [removed]
 15 Court Square, Suite 210                 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503           	         [removed]

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Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 09:04:32 -0500
From: Gayland Darnell <hankie01@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Baby Snooks

Hello to everyone:
I'm about to turn 51, so I wasn't around when radio was at its height,
but I really enjoy listening to old time radio programs on tape.  I
especially enjoy Jack Benny, Fibber McGee and Molly, and Charlie
McCarthy.  These shows seem to be available fairy [removed] I have
only heard 1 or 2 Baby Snooks shows.  Those I have heard were great, and
I would like to find more.  Does anyone know if there is some hidden,
mysterious source for Baby Snooks, or are most of her shows lost for all
time?  Any input would be appreciated.  Happy listening!

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