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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2005 : Issue 293
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ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
When Better is possible, is Good eno [ Wich2@[removed] ]
Detective show suggestions [ Jeff Weaver <jweaver@[removed]; ]
Radio re-creation groups [ "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@bas ]
Audio Drama at the AES show [ "David K. Bialik" <dkbialik@[removed] ]
Live Radio on Stage in San Francisco [ Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@erols ]
OTR reminders in strange [removed] [ "Mark Wuellner" <mwuellne@[removed] ]
Detective Shows [ "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@juno. ]
re: Detective Show Suggestions [ "Michael Guccione" <jetbonami@hotma ]
Re: Ed Murrow film [ "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed] ]
Request [ NightMaster <nightmaster@[removed] ]
RE: MP3 Format [ "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed]; ]
OTR on CDs, LOA [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
country v. cowboys songs [ "--" <rmc44@[removed]; ]
Compression & [removed] [ "Jed Dolnick" <jdolnick@[removed] ]
9-27 births/deaths [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
responce to Ted [ Ruk77@[removed] ]
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:47:37 -0400
From: Wich2@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: When Better is possible, is Good enough?
From: "Druian, Raymond B SPL" [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: MP3 Format
...for spoken word, the quality is at least
as good as the original was, when broadcast over AM, with a 5kHz limit ...
Dear B. Ray, & gang-
No offense meant, but that reasoning has always eluded me.
In this, "The (New) Age of Restoration," when things are done technically
right, the audio quality of Classic Era from-original-disc material can be
breathtaking. Listen to a CD from Ed Carr, or FGRA, [removed]
To back off from that, is like saying, "Sure, I know that a new
from-the-negative, frame-by-frame digital restoration of my favorite
Hollywood Classic
Film looks better than anyone ever saw it, save the original editor - but I'm
happy with my slp-mode VHS, of a worn, cut, panned & scanned 16mm TV print,
'cause that's how I first watched it."
Oh, well. Matter of taste, I guess.
Best,
-Craig
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:48:50 -0400
From: Jeff Weaver <jweaver@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Detective show suggestions
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On Sep 26, 2005, at 12:10 PM, [removed]@[removed] wrote:
Detective show suggestions
How about Nick Carter: Master Detective as well as Boston Blackie.
These shows are always fun for my wife and me. Plus she adores Box
13, not really a Detective by trade, but it fits in the genre.
Jeffrey
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:50:07 -0400
From: "RadioAZ@[removed]" <radioAZ@[removed];
To: "OTR Digest" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Radio re-creation groups
Howard Blues request fro info on upcoming radio re-creations reminded me
that I have a question and have been forgetting to post it.
Does anyone know if there is an on-line group or website or digest or
something specificlly aimed at troupes that perform re-creations.
Something like a twelve-step program for re-creationists? (Just kidding.)
But a forum for such groups to exchange ideas, [removed]
Ted
[ADMINISTRIVIA: Not a bad idea, actually; if anyone is interested in starting
such a mailing list, contact me. There's certainly room on the [removed]
server for such a [removed] --cfs3]
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 12:52:33 -0400
From: "David K. Bialik" <dkbialik@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Audio Drama at the AES show
Broadcast Legend HIMAN BROWN Presents Marion SELDES, AND Paul Hecht in 119th
AES CONVENTION live AUDIO PRODUCTION
NEW YORK: Broadcast legend, Himan Brown, producer of such classic radio
programs as Inner Sanctum, Dick Tracey, and The CBS Mystery Theater,
presents Rockets Red Glare, a recording session of a rare live audio drama
at the 119th AES Convention at the Javits Center Friday, October 7th 5:00PM
-6:00PM. Scripted by Jerome Coopersmith, this special AES Historical and
Broadcast Event features esteemed film and stage actors Marion Seldes,
(Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Mona Lisa Smile), Paul Hecht (Rosencrantz and
Guildenstern Are Dead, Miami Vice), Bob Balaban (Seinfeld) and Russell
Horton (Law and Order, Miami Vice).
Based on the classic film Twelve Angry Men, Rockets Red Glare, is an
hour-long drama focusing on the real life of George Voskovec, an actor and
writer who escaped from the Nazis to a new life in America. The recorded
performance will be made available on CD to AES members.
"This is a stirring story about one man's search for freedom," says Brown,
whose foundation, Radio Drama Network, is funding this performance for the
Audio Engineering Society as part of its Historical Program. "Jerome
Coopersmith's script poses some intriguing questions about freedom and
democracy."
Hi Brown, is one of the most influential producers in radio history. He has
produced more than 30,000 shows over a span of 65 years. A member of the
Radio Hall of Fame, he is also the recipient of The American Broadcast
Pioneer and the prestigious Peabody Awards.
In recent years, through his non-profit educational foundation, Brown has
created a series of radio theater biographies entitled, They Were Giants,
dramatizing the lives of such literary figures as Walt Whitman and [removed]
Wells. Additional projects include We, The Living, a series of reality
dramas about the vibrant lives of senior citizens. He also teaches SVA and
Brooklyn College audio drama production.
"We are honored to have Himan Brown produce this thought-provoking audio
drama for the AES Historical Program," says AES Historical Committee chair
Harry Hirsch. "Broadcast Events Chair David Bialik has done a remarkable job
in coordinating this event. Hi Brown is an amazing force in broadcasting and
the performance promises to be a highlight of this years' convention."
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:58:13 -0400
From: Jack & Cathy French <otrpiano@[removed];
To: OTRBB <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Live Radio on Stage in San Francisco
NBC's radio sleuth, Candy Matson, will have her case "Cable Car Murder"
re-created on stage in San Francisco on Sunday, Oct 16th. The One Act
Players will perform this radio show at the Florence Gould Theater, in
the Palace of the Legion of Honor at 2 PM. Also on the playbill is a
new dramatization of Sherlock Holmes' signature case, "A Scandal in
Bohemia" as well as one of Hal Glatzer's mini-mysteries, the tongue
twisting, alliterative story, "Vengeance in Vegas." Tickets are only $
15 and some discounts apply. For more details, telephone 415-519-1728
or visit <[removed]>
Jack French
Editor: RADIO RECALL
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 13:59:37 -0400
From: "Mark Wuellner" <mwuellne@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: OTR reminders in strange [removed]
Sitting outside of a restaurant in Chicago last week when a bus drove by
carrying an advertisement for the new TV show, "Invasion".
The advertisement was a blurry picture of someone looking up at a starlit
night sky, accompanied by a tagline to the effect of, "Are you ready for the
INVASION?". The ad also said, "Wednesday at 7pm (or whatever day and time
it premiered) on ABC".
I couldn't help but be reminded of the classic Ray Bradbury tale, "Zero
Hour", which tells the tale of the kids playing the game "Invasion" and
awaiting the arrival of Drill on a certain day at a certain time. Here's
the radio connection, of course: the tale was dramatized vividly by some of
radio's best shows.
I'm sure that the ad group that put together this new "Invasion" campaign
wasn't trying to use "Zero Hour" as a model, but I couldn't help but notice
the similarities.
Mark
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 14:51:44 -0400
From: "kclarke5@[removed]" <kclarke5@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Detective Shows
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If I were to suggest some detective shows, I believe I'd select
"Big Town", "Yours Truly, Johnny Dollar", "Mr. Keen, Tracer of Lost
Persons", "The Adventures of Sam Spade", "Dragnet", "The Shadow",
and "The Fat Man". There are many others, of course, but these are
the ones which jumped immediately to my mind.
Another OTR Fan,
Kenneth Clarke
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 15:42:03 -0400
From: "Michael Guccione" <jetbonami@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: re: Detective Show Suggestions
Although not a detective show in a gun toting sense, 'Night Beat' with Frank
Lovejoy as Randy Stone, fits the bill as a reporter on the prowl for a story
to publish in his column. He's got all the characteristics of a detective
type, does a voice over narration, knows the local cops, thugs, boxers, etc.
except this guy carries a pen instead of a gat so to speak. He closes each
show with an unforgettable Paul Harvey-esque two word signature ending.
In my opinion this is one of the best written (detective) shows in all of
OTR and well casted.
Michael G
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:32:26 -0400
From: "Irene Heinstein" <IreneTH@[removed];
To: "OTR" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Ed Murrow film
Jim Widner wrote:
Warner Brothers is not releasing it into wide audience release until
October 7th. They must have seen a special publicity showing.
I don't know the protocol regarding publishing reviews of films not yet in
wide release which are screened at film festivals. Clooney's film was the
opening night film at the NY Film Festival which began Sept 23. Since the
review in the NY Times was dated Sept 23, we can assume some media reviewers
saw it before then.
Irene
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:33:00 -0400
From: NightMaster <nightmaster@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Request
I would like to add my request to that of Tom L. Barnett, and would
appreciate being contacted off line to get some info on converting
tape to MP3 and standard audio CDs.
This is not a test; it is an actual [removed]
Thanx in advance,
~GORDON R GUY
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 17:26:58 -0400
From: "MICHAEL BIEL" <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: RE: MP3 Format
From: [removed]@[removed]
RE: MP3 Format
for spoken word, the quality is at least as good as the
original was, when broadcast over AM, with a 5kHz limit.
It has been discussed here in the past, but during the OTR years there
never was any limit to the audio high frequency response of AM radio,
either legal or technical. Transmitters were routinely capable of over 10
KHz. frequency response in the mid-1930s, and to 14 KHz. in the post-war
years. Many console radios had response to 8 KHz. and there were some
super radios like the Scott which could get to 15 KHz. by the mid-to late
30s. Nationwide, the main trunks of the broadcast line system had response
to at least 10 KHz., and lines could be obtained to 15 KHz. by 1932.
The old wives tale about the 5 KHz. limit concerns the realization that the
higher audio frequencies would extend beyond the assigned channel to the
first-adjacent channel. But that was never considered a problem because
adjacent channel stations were located with large geographical distances
between them. So stations were free to broadcast wideband audio. Indeed,
when the extra channels were added above 1500 in 1934, those stations were
REQUIRED to broadcast wideband audio.
Although it has been repeated here as recently yesterday that some people
remember listening to cheap lousy radios in their otr childhood, that was
not everybody's experience. I am sure that the AM/FM/SW/Phono console that
my parents bought in 1940 provided quite a wideband audio sound, especially
considering that we lived in New York City where the transmitters were
linked to the studios by 15 KHz. lines. And remember, there were FM
stations as early as 1939, and these were part of OTR in many cities during
the war years and after.
It is only in the last ten years that there has been a restriction to 9
KHz. response for transmitters as a way of overcoming the reluctance of the
radio manufacturers to make AM radios with decent bandwidth. Radios made
before 1970 will often have much wider response than newer sets.
One last point about the spoken word. The human voice contains audio
frequencies that extend far out to the upper limits of hearing. While it
is possible to make an intelligible recording with a 5 KHz response, in
order to make an accurate recording you need at least a 15 KHz. response.
High frequencies are very prized for spoken word recordings. Just look at
the microphones chosen by quality broadcasters even now. And remember, the
RCA 44 and 77 ribbon microphones used during the OTR era had response to
and above 15 KHz. and are still highly prized by recording studios as some
of the best sounding microphones ever made.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 18:46:16 -0400
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OTR on CDs, LOA
Thus spake S Jansen: "Well, you should be able to fit 80 minutes
uncompressed on a cd: two
30-min shows and one 15-min, and a cd sure takes up less space than a reel
or
a cassette."
If you are storing wav files on a CD Rom you do not need to store as stereo
files, unless your original material is stereo, not normally the case with
OTR. While you won't get twice the amount of material on a CD Rom using this
method, owing to the error correction data, you will get a lot more than 80
minutes.
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"Those twenty or so Radio Orphan Annie shows from 1936 were discovered,
cleaned up, and released
by them two years ago. If you appreciate that they exist at all, let alone
in pristine gorgeous cd audio, you will purchase them from FGRA, and NOT
from
any other dealer or hobbyist."
Actually, 2 of the eps were known to exist prior to the FGRA discovery, but
all circulate in the top quality transfers owning to the FGRA efforts, so I
must echo my support for this statement, one which I make in collector's
classical music areas as well. Folks, if the incentive to do this kind of
work is completely removed, why would someone bother to do it? Not that FGRA
is out to make $$$ anyway, but they have hard costs like the rest of us.
js
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:47:52 -0400
From: "--" <rmc44@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: country v. cowboys songs
I don't know the precise defintion, but I believe Ray Druian is
correct in that there is a distinction between country music and
cowboy music. Thus the term, country and Western (cowboy) music.
Western singers sing songs of their horses, their cows, starry
skies above ... while country singers sing songs about their
pickup trucks, their favorite girlfriend(s) and beer (all beer is
their favorite) -- usually with incredibly bad grammar. And
that's why the Lone Ranger, had he sung, would be a Western
singer, not a country singer.
Bob Cockrum
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Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:08:18 -0400
From: "Jed Dolnick" <jdolnick@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Compression & [removed]
Just a brief "thank you" for the various comments here and via e-mail in
response to my question/comment on compression.
Jed
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:32:27 -0400
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: Olde Tyme Radio List <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: 9-27 births/deaths
September 27th births
09-27-1885 - Harry Blackstone - Chicago, IL - d. 11-16-1965
magician: "Harry Blackstone, the Magic Detective" based on him.
09-27-1887 - Pat "Uncle Ezra" Barrett - Holden, MO - d. 3-25-1959
actor: "National Barn Dance"; Uncle Ezra "Uncle Ezra"
09-27-1893 - Phil Cook - Coldwater, MI - d. 9-18-1958
comedian: "Radio Chief"; "Quaker Oats Man"; "Morning Almanac"
09-27-1898 - Vincent Youmans - New York City, NY - d. 4-5-1946
composer: "Chicago Theatre of the Air"
09-27-1913 - Hugh Rowlands - Racine, WI - d. 1-5-1978
actor: Trigger Brett "Island Venture"; Jimmy "Tom Mix"
09-27-1915 - Cy Howard - Wisconsin - d. 4-29-1993
creator, writer, producer: "Life with Luigi"; "My Friend Irma"; "Milton Berle
Show"
09-27-1915 - Frank Gerstle - d. 2-23-1970
actor: "Escape"; "NBC University Theatre"; "Six Shooter"; "Gunsmoke"
09-27-1917 - William Orr - d. 12-25-2002
actor: "Hollywood Theatre Group"
09-27-1918 - James McCallion - Glasgow, Scotland - d. 7-11-1991
actor: Stephen Dallas "Stella Dallas"; Sydney Lawrence "One Man's Family"
09-27-1920 - Jayne Meadows - Wu Chang, China
actress: "Hollywood Star Preview"
09-27-1920 - William Conrad - Louisville, KY - d. 2-11-1994
actor: Matt Dillon "Gunsmoke"; Louis Dumont "Jason and His Golden Fleece"
09-27-1921 - Carol Thurston - Forsyth, MT - d. 12-31-1969
actress: "Lux Radio Theatre"
09-27-1923 - Mary McCarthy - Winfield, KS (Raised: Los Angeles, CA) - d.
4-3-1980
actress: "MGM Musical Comey Theatre"
09-27-1934 - Claude Jarman, Jr. - Nashville, TN
actor: "Lux Radio Theatre"
09-27-1934 - DickSchaap - New York City, NY - d. 12-21-2001
sportscaster: "Sports Answer Man: "Sports Week"
September 27th deaths
01-03-1900 - Cecil Underwood - Vienna, MO - d. 9-27-1976
producer, director: "Fibber McGee and Molly"; "Great Gildersleeve"
01-09-1898 - Gracie Fields - Rochdale, Lancashire, England - d. 9-27-1979
comedienne, singer: "Gracie Fields Victory Show"; "Gracie Fields Show"
01-12-1896 - Harry Reser - Piqua, OH - d. 9-27-1965
bandleader: "Cliquot Club Eskimos"
01-13-1914 - Stanley Waxman - Ohio - d. 9-27-1998
actor: "Escape"; "Man Called X"; "Tell It Again"; "Presenting Charles Boyer"
03-06-1885 - Ring Lardner - Niles, MI - d. 9-27-1933
writer: "Hallmark Hall of Fame"; "NBC Presents: Short Story"
05-21-1904 - Robert Montgomery - Beacon, NY - d. 9-27-1981
actor: "Doctor Fights"; "Suspense"; "This Is War"
06-26-1914 - Babe Didrikson Zaharias - Port Arthur, TX - d. 9-27-1956
all-around athlete: "Babe Didrikson Zaharia Sports Show"
07-29-1905 - Clara Bow - Brooklyn, NY - d. 9-27-1965
actress: (The It Girl) "Kay Parker in Hollywood"
08-11-1902 - Lloyd Nolan - San Francisco, CA - d. 9-27-1985
actor: Johnny Strange "Results Inc."; Martin Kane "Martin Kane, Private Eye"
08-28-1925 - Donald O'Connor - Chicago, IL - d. 9-27-2003
comedian, actor: "Ginny Simms Show"; "Philip Morris Playhouse"; "Suspense"
10-04-1909 - James Webb - Denver, CA (that is right, CA) - d. 9-27-1974
screenwriter: "Lux Radio Theatre"
--
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:11:15 -0400
From: Ruk77@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: responce to Ted
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Ted, I just would like to say, that you are one of the [removed]
[removed] guys of the OTR world. I have gotten some great stuff off of you
and even
traded you some stuff that I had. My only sad thought, with respect for guys
like you who have been around for a long time putting serious time and money
into collecting, is how does a beginner like myself or anyone else break into
the circle of "rare shows". I have listened to everything out there available.
I have even found some very nice people that allowed me a few rare ones. I am
not a trader, or a seller. I am just simply a guy who wants to hear more
shows that are in existance but are not available. I would pay almost any
amount
at this point, or sign any legal document stating that i would not trade, just
to hear one or two Inner Sanctums, or Suspence episodes that I have not heard.
I guess I just need to get my butt to a convention and meet some of you
people face to face. I don't know where this discussion ends. I just hope
that the
people who relly love the art-form, and aren't looking for a way to make
money, will be able to one day hear the great shows that were broadcast for
the
world to hear.
God bless.
JR
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