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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2002 : Issue 468
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Re: Baloney [ hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed]; ]
Bowl Games on Radio [ George Kelly <gkelly1@[removed]; ]
Blacklist stories [ "Jim Widner" <widnerj@[removed]; ]
Information, pleaseI' [ "BOB SLATE" <moxnix61@[removed]; ]
Engineering a live broadcast on OTR [ "Bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed]; ]
Santa on the Air [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
CBS Radio Mystery Theater episodes w [ "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-self ]
Big Finish Audio - some comments. [ James <Active@[removed]; ]
OTR Books for Christmas [ "John Orinjok " <John@[removed] ]
Re: 33 1/3 rpm [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
William Tell [ dougdouglass@[removed] ]
new radio drama on NPR's Morning Edi [ "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@hotmail. ]
Big Finish Audio CD's & Maureen O'Br [ JBurt31802@[removed] ]
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:19 -0500
From: hal stone <dualxtwo@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Baloney
Uh Oh! here I go again. Batten down the hatches. It's controversy time
again. And I'm loaded for bear. The Russian (Soviet) Bear to be precise.
And Charlie, even though "politics" are involved, IT IS DEFINITLY OTR
RELATED. I can not let Howard Blue's seemingly biased comments about my
friend Bud Collyer go unchallenged. to wit;
I read with interest Hal Stone's and Tim Lone's , comments about Bud
Collyer. A few years ago I spoke to actress Ruth Last who echoed Lee's
comments about Bud as "very much the professional" and "a genuinely nice
man."
But there appears to have been another side to the talented Mr.
Collyer. As Jackson Beck, also a quite talented actor, and once a frequent
attendee at the Newark FOTR convention, told a journalist, Collyer had
a very dark side to him.
Hummph! "Beauty", as well as "light and "Darkness" is in the eyes of the
beholder. Speaking in that same metaphor, Light and darkness depends on what
side of the spectrum one stands. In this case, I'm referring to "political
spectrum". Where did Jackson Beck stand, I wonder?
Howard, I now challenge you to a dual at 20 book lengths. Mine is [removed] inches
long. (Book that is). That makes it about 14 feet. And I'm a crack shot.
(That's "shot", not "pot".)
Howard fired the first salvo, and said;
"A genuinely nice man?"
The "question mark" makes it read (and sound like) sarcasm to me.
(Howard continues)
Perhaps in many ways he was. Ruth Last recalled
him buying her an ice cream sundae when she was a very young actress. He
treated her in a quite proper avuncular manner.
"Auuncular" means like an Uncle. (Ruth's "Uncle Sam" perhaps?) :)
But the fuller record bears a look.
Who says? And why? What statement are you trying to make?
Now it's my turn.
Darn! Collyer never bought me an ice cream sundae. Why the hell do I feel
compelled to defend his reputation. BECAUSE I KNEW THE GUY AND THE ISSUES HE
BELIEVED [removed] the American way of life that he was determined to
protect.
In retrospect and hindsight, is there any doubt that Communism (and
Communists) were a dangerous subversive force in the world. Lest we forget
the Berlin Airlift, the Berlin wall, and mass weapon support of China during
the Korean war. (Where the hell did all the Mig's come from?) Or how about
the Rosenberg's here at home. Or Alger Hiss, et al. Then leave us not forget
the Cuban Missile Crisis. A Totalitarian Communist Nation was our declared
enemy. Much like the radical Muslim extremists are today.
Back in the late 40's, early 50's, one did not have to be a card carrying
member of the Communist party to air their pro-Soviet EXTREME leftist views,
and love affair with communistic doctrine.
Howard, I have not read your book, but in conversations with you, I gather
that you feel it's important to "unmask" the good guys for the strong stand
they took against Communism in the entertainment industry. People like
Dwight Wiest, Bud Collyer, Vinton Hayworth, etc.
I define their actions as being motivated by well intentioned patriotic
zeal. Does your book applaud them for their actions? (As I now do.) If so,
put me down to buy a copy. But why do I doubt that? Maybe because of your
other comments that I now excerpt; (And take exception with)
Collyer was the leading force among actors, in his role as president of the
radio actors union (AFRA), of supporters of the blacklist who drove many of
their colleagues out of their field. Collyer helped create the conditions
which led to the suicide of actor Phillip Loeb and others and the premature
deaths of actors John Garfield, Canada Lee.
That's a pretty damming statement. On second thought. Cancel my book order.
:)
What did Bud do? Poison their Ice cream sundaes?
This is not the first time I have responded to your views on this subject.
To save me typing it again, permit me to re-post something I said a long
time ago regarding Vinton Hayworth. (An even closer friend of mine than
Collyer was.)
***************
"I saw two sides to Vinton Hayworth, and I liked and respected both of them.
But in direct response to your question; No, we did not have Politics in the
studio, (at least any that I was aware of). But you have to remember, during
the years Vinton played the father on the "Archie" show, I was 13/14 years
old. Although terribly sophisticated, erudite, and worldly, at that age,
(HA! :), Vinton and I did not go to the local gin mill after the show to
discuss politics, or any other earth shattering subject. I was interested in
girls. I was not privy to what turned Vinton on. (Or off!) At least not
until much later in my life when I reunited with him in LA at a party. (The
party was held expressly for the purpose of reuniting us, and hosted by
mutual friends). That's when I learned about his involvement with the
Blacklisting, and his motivation behind it. I'm also in the process of
writing a book about my "experiences" as a Radio Actor, and the people I
worked [removed] plan to include in the book what Vinton told me (in his later
years) about that issue. But he was, in my opinion, a "great guy". We had an
excellent camaraderie on the show between the cast members.
But Howard Blue also brought to my attention that Clayton (Bud) Collyer and
Dwight Weist were also heavily involved. Again, I worked with both of them
on many occasions. I can not shed any light on their political leanings when
I knew them, but can only state that two "NICER" guys never walked the face
of the earth. I mean REALLY nice. They could do no wrong in my book. So what
if they were "outspoken patriots" looking to rid this country of subversive
Communists. Hell, I was in the Korean War, doing my part against that
ideology. The actors in question "fought" their war on the "Homefront", as
far as I'm concerned.
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OK! End of tirade.
Hmmmm! I wonder if Howard Blue realized I'd rise to the bait when he
"dissed" Bud Collyer? Could it be a clever ruse to get me to mention his
book and spark some interest in it? :)
Oh well. It worked! May the best author win. :)
Hal(Harlan)Stone
Jughead
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:25 -0500
From: George Kelly <gkelly1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Bowl Games on Radio
I am interested in which radio networks carried the New Year Day's
college football bowl games during the 1950s. The bowls' Internet sites
give the television networks but not the radio networks, or at least not
that I have been able to find.
Any assistance from this illustrious group would be appreciated.
George Kelly
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:13 -0500
From: "Jim Widner" <widnerj@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Blacklist stories
Irene Heinstein wrote:
Blacklist stories always make me sad. How easy some found it to ruin
people's lives and/or to be complicit in enforcing a blacklist because
of what they may or may not believe rather then what they have actually
done.
Irene, you might want to look out for Jean Reverol's book about her
experience with the blacklist. She was a regular on "One Man's Family"
as well as a screenwriter along with her husband, Hugo Butler.
Hugo was blacklisted along with Dalton Trumbo and many others and they
actually fled the country to avoid subpoena (the reasons were
justified) and lived in Mexico for 10 years and later Europe for a
while.
I met her at the last REPS convention where I picked up her book and
got a chance to speak to her. Fascinating person!
I don't have the title handy right now as I am at work, but if you are
interested send me an email and I will pass the title on to you.
Jim Widner
jwidner@[removed]
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 11:07:07 -0500
From: "BOB SLATE" <moxnix61@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Information, pleaseI'
I'm interested in obtaining certain radio shows in the MP3 format, that
only a few shows survive. I have these shows on reel to reel tape from
the late 1960's to early 1970's. At least ,some of [removed] don't own a
reel to reel recorder anymore, so I would like to have all these on MP3
to preserve [removed] was wondering if anyone out there has the following
shows and could transfer them to MP3, and how much they would charge to
put them on one or two CD's? They're: The Adventures Of Champion,The
Wild Bill Elliot Show,The House Of Mystery,Hashknife Hartley,Hawk
Durango,Hawk Larrabee, The Sea Hound,Hoof Beats,Tales Of The Diamond
K,The Count Of Monte Cristo,The Casebook Of Gregory Hood,The Judy Canova
Show, All existing Roy Rogers, with Quaker Oats and Post commercials, and
later Armed Forces Network, Clyde Beatty, and Mandrake The Magician?Also
I have a few questions: Who played Ricky North,theAnnouncer, and the old
codger who narrated and played the adopted father on the show? Currently
how many of those shows are available to collectors, and how long was it
on the air?Does anyone out there know anything about a juvenile circus
detective show from 1949-1950, called Ted Drake, Guardian Of The Big
Top?All I know is, it came from Nashville over the Mutual Network, and
starred Vince Harding, and Bob Larrimore was the [removed] anyone have any
of these shows?Thank you! Bob Slate
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:26:08 -0500
From: "Bill Scherer" <bspro@[removed];
To: ""old-time radio digest">" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Engineering a live broadcast on OTR
Well I haven't seen mutch of this talked about on the Digest so I thought I'd
ask since I know there's a couple of OTR engineers out there.
In the days of OTR, what was the equipment used--Mics mixer etc. that would
have been used to record a Jack Benny Show?
How many mics were used on the cast and how many would be used for the band
and where would the band mics be placed?
I suspect that this may bore some folks but I hope not.
I write and record music for commertials and radio stations and was curious
how it was done in "real" radio.
Thanks.
Bill
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:26:51 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Santa on the Air
Deric <vigor16@[removed]; asked:
my friend Nancy asked me to find out about a program, apparently syndicated,
called "A visit with Santa Claus" which was an early television
program that >...Must have been post McCarthy era.
Charlie or Joseph?
My guess would be it was, in fact, a local show. There was a similar
radio show in Knoxville, with Santa reading local tykes' letters over
background sounds of hammering, sawing, and toy-testing. It came on
after the Cinnamon Bear and was a big letdown. Even hearing the
jovial tones of the Great Man himself did not make up for the
excruciatingly boring content of his monologue, mostly a catalog of
currently popular toys, though it did give some insight into what a
tedious life the poor old guy must, in fact, lead. There was little
conceivable reason to listen unless you thought your own letter was
in his inbox which, if you had simply dropped it in the mailbox with
an address of "North Pole," it probably wasn't; a nationally
syndicated show would have been even more pointless. It was
instructive upon one concern, however: it seemed Santa expressed no
indignation, contrary to what I'd been informed, even at the longest
lists of the most avaricious children.
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 13:34:07 -0500
From: "Rodney w bowcock jr." <rodney-selfhelpbikeco@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: CBS Radio Mystery Theater episodes wanted
I'm looking for cassette copies (no mp3 please) of two CBS Radio Mystery
Theater episodes. Will pay cash or trade. Episodes needed are:
#43 2/16/1974 "A Lady Never Uses Her Head"
#44 2/17/1974 "The Walking Corpse"
Rodney Bowcock, Newsletter writer
First Generation Radio Archives Preserving Radio's Past for the Future
[removed]
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:34:15 -0500
From: James <Active@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Big Finish Audio - some comments.
Hello Everyone,
I am a radio drama collector in the UK who got this bug from
collecting the Missing Doctor Who and Dad's army audio's from the BBC
radio collection. Growing up as a kid I always watched these programs on
TV and when I got the chance to get them on audio I jumped at it.
Then someone told me about the new adventures by Big Finish (BF) and I
placed a regular order for these and have a growing collection.
Of this series of adventures Cynthia had the misfortune IMHO to
pick an eight Doctor adventure and a part from the first one his debut
"Storm Warning" I have never enjoyed the 8th Doc audio's. The best two
to get to see if you like are "The Marian Conspiracy" (No. 6) and "The
Spectre of Lanyon Moor" (No. 9). These are both Colin Baker adventures
and he has really improved on his character and performance in these
dramas. In fact there is an excellent line in Lanyon Moor were Nicholas
Courtney meets this particular incarnation of the Doctor for the first
time, and says "Let me guess, by the unexpected appearance, the strange
and colourful clothing and the travelling companion - you Must be the
Doctor? , and I take it there's a blue box somewhere in the area?"
Doctor replies "Brigadier you are getting awfully good at this."
If anyone wants info about these audio's contact me offlist by private
Email.
I am a new lurker on the list but get a lot from it as I found out about
CB and the twilight zone CDs from it as well as the shadow.
Will not be able to listen to CB in time for Xmas as its coming surface
post. Ah well!!
Kind regards to all.
--
-
Jim
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:34:26 -0500
From: "John Orinjok " <John@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: OTR Books for Christmas
I was thinking of asking for Radio Crime Fighters by Jim Cox and Radio Stars
by Thomas A. Delong from Santa. I was wondering if Digest members thought
they would be good choices for me to make. Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 14:34:47 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: 33 1/3 rpm
On 12/5/02 11:08 AM OldRadio Mailing Lists wrote:
I've been listening to the Cinnamon Bear episodes and I was surprised to
hear a reference in one of the first few programs to 33 1/3 rpm! I
forget what it was now that they said was running at that speed, but
that had to be a very obscure and inside reference in 1937. Isn't that
right? I think that the only people who would know about it would be
proffesionals in the broadcast industry at that time. Any comments?
Recordings at 33 1/3 rpm were first marketed to the general public in
1931 by RCA Victor, under the name "Program Transcriptions." Despite the
name, however, these had nothing to do with radio broadcasting: they were
records made for home use, and could be played on RCA-Victor
radio-phonograph combinations equipped with two-speed turntables. These
discs were pressed on a type of vinyl trade-named "Victrolac," but unlike
the microgroove "LP" records introduced by Columbia in 1948, the "Program
Transcriptions" were cut with a coarse groove similar to that used on
ordinary 78rpm records.
Quite a wide variety of material was released on "Program
Transcriptions," including performances by such name artists as Paul
Whiteman and Duke Ellington. However, the radio-phono combinations
necessary to play them were extremely expensive, and were far beyond the
reach of the working-class/working-poor families who made up the majority
of the US population during the early 1930s -- and they became even less
affordable as the Depression deepened.
Two-speed turntables were standard on top-of-the-line RCA Victor
combinations thru the 1935-36 model year (along with the "RCA Victor Home
Recording" system introduced in 1930). A few 33 1/3 rpm "Program
Transcriptions" were still in the Victor catalog as late as 1940, but
these were recordings of pipe organ solos made especially for funeral
parlors -- apparently the last bastion of interest in this early version
of the "long playing" format.
RCA Victor didn't invent the idea of the Long Playing record, any more
than Peter Goldmark of Columbia did in the 1940s. Long Playing discs
using a very fine vertical cut groove at 80rpm were being manufactured
and sold by Edison in the mid-1920s, and the Edison Labs developed a 30
rpm ultra-microgroove format for broadcast use in 1927-28. But the RCA
Victor system was the first publicly-marketed Long Playing system to use
33 1/3 rpm and to be widely advertised -- so even if few people owned it
in the mid-1930s, enough would have been aware of its existence not to be
baffled by such a reference.
Elizabeth
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:17:07 -0500
From: dougdouglass@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: William Tell
The definition of an Intelluctual is one who can hear "The William Tell
Overture" and not think of "The Lone Ranger".
Doug Douglass
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:38:34 -0500
From: "B. J. Watkins" <kinseyfan@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: new radio drama on NPR's Morning Edition
This is from a press release I received yesterday:
December 4, 2002
Edward Asner and Anne Meara Star in NPR News Radio Drama
December 16-20 on Morning Edition
WASHINGTON, DC -- Two elderly grocery store owners, Abe Pepperstein
(played by Edward Asner) and his wife Mabel (Anne Meara), flee New York for
Hollywood and stardom in "I'd Rather Eat Pants," a hilarious original radio
play airing the week of December 16 on Morning Edition with Bob Edwards.
Written by playwright and screenwriter Peter Ackerman, the witty, five-act
radio comedy will surprise and delight listeners, providing a daily,
eight-minute oasis of humor, imagination and misadventure.
Directed by award-winning television director Gordon Hunt and produced by
[removed] Theatre Works' Susan Albert Loewenberg, "I'd Rather Eat Pants" was
commissioned by NPR. Listeners will get a break from the news and laugh
their way into this holiday season as they follow the cross-country
motorcycle adventure of Abe and Mabel Pepperstein from New York to Los
Angeles as they set out in search of fame, fortune and a family reunion
with their estranged daughter. Their crack-up antics are joined by a zany
cast of characters played by Ed Begley, Jr.; Dan Castellaneta, the voice of
Homer Simpson; Clea Lewis; Emily Bergl; 12-year-old Kendall Schmidt and
Derek Cecil from ABC's Push, Nevada. NPR's own Bob Edwards and Susan
Stamberg have cameo roles. "I'd Rather Eat Pants" was performed and
recorded at The Museum of Television & Radio in Beverly Hills on November
1, 2002, and is a unique joint production of [removed] Theatre Works and NPR
News. It features original theme music by Les Hooper.
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Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:39:16 -0500
From: JBurt31802@[removed]
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Big Finish Audio CD's & Maureen O'Brien!
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Hi everyone!
These Big Finish Dr. Who CD's are generally of an excellent quality and can
be whole heartidly recommended! I stock the complete range, including the
Tommorrow People and 2000AD/Judge Dredd issues in my shop.
They are great sellers, since we have a large Dr. Who following and because
the CD's are not available in multiple's, ie: Virgin Megastores, HMV's etc.
It's funny that the name Maureen O'Brien has come to light on a previous
posting as of course, she was a famous Dr. Who companion on the TV show!
What an interesting assortment of people are on this list!
Best regards and happy holidays to all,
Jules.
Jules Burt,
C/O: Purple Haze Comics, Records & Books,
38, Eastlake Walk,
Drake Circus Shopping Centre,
Plymouth, Devon,
PL1 1BX.
United Kingdom.
Tel: (01752) 254136 or FAX: (01752) 267505.
*~life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
that take our breath away~*
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