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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2001 : Issue 414
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
Mickey Katz [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
Andrew "H" Brown [ Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed]; ]
Right Cross [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
born to play the role [ "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@earthli ]
status of radio performers in late 5 [ "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper@[removed]; ]
Deconstructionist history [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
Ted Malone Remembered [ "Neal W. Welsh" <zooman@[removed] ]
Rudy Valee all the way to MTV [ "Fred (or janet or andrew) FAGAL" ]
Gangbusters [ "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@neb. ]
Re: Old Children's Records [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
Re: Journey to the Center of the Ear [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
Re: Journey to the Center of the Ear [ Fred Berney <berney@[removed]; ]
Re: Franklyn MacCormack [ ""Cynthia \"ChibiBarako\""" < ]
Red Skelton's Pledge [ Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed]; ]
Re: Loomis's Signals [ Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed] ]
Bing Crosby [removed] [ "Phil Watson" <philwats@[removed] ]
"Happy Birthday To You" [ "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@attorneyro ]
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:25:09 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Mickey Katz
From: William L Murtough <k2mfi@[removed];
Another comment. Mike Biel noted a few days ago that Mickey Katz
had not broadcast live.
I never said that. I merely corrected the mis-statement that he would
have had "Peter and the Wolf" in his repiotiore of fairy tales in the
early to mid-30s. I then gave a list of stories he probably did use,
such as "Little Red Rosenberg" which also features a wolf. Never did I
say he didn't broadcast live. I asked if anybody knew of live
broadcasts of him, really asking if anybody knew of any recordings of
these, never doubting in the least that he probably did make live
broadcasts.
The remote broadcasts from the Golden Pheasant Restaurant in Cleveland
which I mentioned Mickey's reading of fractured fairy tales were all
live. Too bad they were not recorded so that we could enjoy them again.
Bill Murtough
That's the good news and the bad news. But the good news is that, as I
had mentioned, he did record a whole album of these stories, "Katz
Pajamas" Capitol T/ST 1257, and included several similar items in his
later albums. But the question really is, did he do any live
broadcasting during his heyday from the late 40s thru the early 60s--or
was his stuff considered too ethnic for the mass audience?
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:25:23 -0500
From: Ron Sayles <bogusotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Andrew "H" Brown
Kenneth Clark gave Andy of "Amos 'n' Andy" a middle name of Hogg. Wasn't his
middle name HALT?
Ron Sayles
Milwaukee
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:25:39 -0500
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: "OTR List" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Right Cross
I would like to locate a copy of the radio program Right Cross starring
Ricardo Montalban, Dick Powell, June Allison, narrated by Lionel Barrymore.
I don't know the date but I am inclined to believe it would be from the late
40s-early 50s.
If anyone knows where I can obtain a copy or has a copy to trade, please
contact me off list.
Joe Salerno
joe@[removed]
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:25:52 -0500
From: "joe@[removed]" <sergei01@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: born to play the role
Jackson Beck - announcer for Superman
Fred Foy - announcer for the Lone Ranger
Could you imagine any other voice in these rolls?
You don't have to - the pre-Foy eps had another man, I don't know his name,
but he certainly didn't have a voice like Fred. Of all the LR narrators,
only Beamer himself could come close
Joe Salerno
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:26:07 -0500
From: "Eric Cooper" <ejcooper@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: status of radio performers in late 50s-early
60s
Approved: ctrn4eeWlc
In the period between 1956 and 1962, were radio people--actors/actresses,
writers, directors, producers, sound effects people looked down upon
at all because they were STILL doing radio? When exactly did radio start
become a "has-been" or "also-ran" within the entertainment business?
--
Eric Cooper
ejcooper@[removed] - email
(949) 623-1222 x1035 - voicemail/fax
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:26:19 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Deconstructionist history
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:47:44 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
Douglas's bent is clearly toward the deconstructionist approach to
cultural history -- but unlike a lot of her colleagues in that camp,
she's also a very entertaining writer.
Just what, exactly, is the "deconstructionist approach" to cultural
history -- or to any history, for that matter?
--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed]
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:32:57 -0500
From: "Neal W. Welsh" <zooman@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Ted Malone Remembered
Hi!
Do any of you old timers remember a very gentle voiced radio network
personality known as Ted Malone? His schtick included little morality
stories, very poetic readings and a very laid back philosophy all generally
accompanied by almost funereal music. His show emanated from one of the big
cities of the time; possibly New York or Chicago. He broadcast during the
30s, 40s and possibly the early 50s. I'm 63 years old now and remember
those dulcet vocal tones of my early youth. Are any of his programs still
around? I would love to have one to share with my mom and my missus!
Please reply to <zooman@[removed]; (Take out the part of the
e-mail address "nospam" before replying; this trick eliminates most of the
salesmen, et al.)
Thanks,
Neal
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 11:33:56 -0500
From: "Fred (or janet or andrew) FAGAL" <ffagal@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Rudy Valee all the way to MTV
Perhaps slightly off topic, but Rudy Vallee's name keeps popping up on
the list. I recall seeing an MTV rock video in (probably) early 1982
where Rudy Vallee played the role of a college professor flailing about
(literally - I recall seeing a 3 feet long professorial "pointer" stick
in his hand), perhaps as a reaction to modern music being played
in his classroom.
If the video is available [anyone?] it is likely to be an
interesting classroom tidbit
showing how one guy went from the roaring 1920s to the
[currently]
modern entertainment [removed] OTR along the way.
I just did a quick Google search on Rudy Vallee MTV and didn't
get [removed] :-(
Happy New Year Everyone.
I recently made a belated small $ donation to support this
woderful list and I encourage others to do the same.
Something is better than nothing, right?
Fred Fagal
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:37:01 -0500
From: "Ryan Osentowski" <rosentowski@[removed];
To: "old time radio" <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Gangbusters
Hello all:
I hope everyone had a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. From time
to time, I put this ad in the digest to hopefully catch someone's eye. I am
always on the look-out for more episodes of Gangbusters. This show is
relatively hard to find. If anyone has any of these episode sand is
interested in trading, please contact me privately and we can set up a trade
or purchase.
thank you in advance.
RyanO
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:37:37 -0500
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Old Children's Records
Rusty in Orchestraville was on one of my radio show reels. Although not a
radio show, it was a record from the 1940's. So many people requested this
tape, that a while back, my wife suggested that I put in on a CD by itself.
This has also been in great demand, so for the last two years, I've been
transferring all the old children's 78 rpm records I own and can find, to
CDs. We now have over 20 of them and the list keeps growing.
Visit my web site [removed] and click on "old
time radio". Then on the left frame you will see a heading for "Classic
Children's Records". Go there and you will find a whole lot of children's
records on CDs.
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:38:00 -0500
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Journey to the Center of the Earth
I stand corrected on my last post about Journey to the Center of the Earth.
I don't think I recorded the program. At least I could not have if my date
is correct. So, I may have gotten the program from another collector. But,
it is a BBC production.
Back in the 50's and early 60's, I lived at home with my parents and they
owned this big Zenith radio that had shortwave. I use to listen to the BBC
back then and I do know I recorded some programs off the air. But, in 1964,
I got married and no longer had access to the radio, I could not have
recorded the show from BBC in 1966. Unless it was a re-broadcast in this
country.
As you can see, I only have two episodes. If anyone has the others, I'd be
interesting in trading for them.
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:37:12 -0500
From: Fred Berney <berney@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Journey to the Center of the Earth
BBC did Journey to the Center of the Earth way back in the 1966. I recorded
two chapters off the air on my short wave radio back then. Here is a
reprint of the listings from my catalog.
CASSETTE 9
Journey to the Center of the Earth (part 6 BBC) 6/7/66 Good
Journey to the Center of the Earth (part 7 last Chapter) 6/8/66 Good
The [removed] in Peace and War The Golden Caper 1957 Very Good
Ford Round-Up Music - 1957 Very Good
CBS News Launching of Sputnik II and UFO sightings 1957 Very Good
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:39:14 -0500
From: ""Cynthia \"ChibiBarako\""" <cvc@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Franklyn MacCormack
I grew up listening tom Franklin MacCormack on WGN's "Meister Brau Showcase"
(midnight - 6 am). His reading of Browning's "How Do I Love Thee" is classic.
Another interesting note: Franklin suffered a massive heart attack and died
while on the air. Not sure of the date, but I think it was in the early 70s.
Isn't that odd? I always had the impression Wally Phillips took over
from MacCormack on the early morning/commute slot (there's the frailty
of childhood memory for you!) ... Anyway, according to WGN Radio's
website, MacCormack died in 1971.
[removed]
PS: Check out
[removed]#holiday
for a WGN Christmas special featuring many familiar voices from the late
'60's -- click on "Christmas Newscast" and listen for a certain Cyrus
McCormus ...
Cynthia
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:41:29 -0500
From: Michael Biel <mbiel@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Red Skelton's Pledge
Deric asked if Red Skelton's Pledge of Allegiance could be considered
OTR, and Paul Urbahns replied:
The story I heard was he did it on his TV show and Columbia decided
to issue it as a record. I assume he did an album of spoken stuff.
But the 45 rpm record is a studio recording not a radio broadcast.
Glad to know this. I had assumed that the regular Columbia release
(4-44798) would be the same January 14, 1969 TV broadcast recording they
had issued on their cardboard Auravision discs. There were at least two
versions of that cardboard record, a 6-inch square disc for Burger King
with a blank reverse side (matrix 367-Pledge), and a 7-inch square disc
for Bullocks which had the script and a caricature printed on the
reverse side (matrix CSM-7871-1A). Since it was TV broadcast, not
radio, I don't think it can be considered as OTR.
You can hear it at: [removed]
This recording on Jerry Haendiges' site seems to have been recorded at
some live performance with a very noisy and unrulely crowd. People are
talking in the background throughout. You can even hear some guy
shouting something in the middle. Surely this is not the Columbia 45.
Red's widow is selling both audio and video recordings of the original
(I hope) broadcast at [removed]
On the question of if he did an album of spoken stuff, as far as I can
tell Skelton never did a full album of spoken or comedy material,
although there were a few LPs containing broadcasts (Mark 56 #669 and
Radiola MR 1108) and also some excerpts on a few comedy compilation
sets. He did, however record two albums on Liberty Records conducting
music (al la Jackie Gleason) "Red Skelton Conducts" LRP 3425/LST 7425
and "Music From the Heart" LRP 3477/LST 7477. At about that same time
Liberty was doing numerous albums with Walter Brennan doing little
speaches, and it would have been a natural for them to have done one
with Skelton.
By the way, I want to thank Paul for that listing of the Adventure
Records dramas. I hadn't been able to trace all of them. Becuase
catalog listings of childrens records are so incomplete, it's another
instance of needing to have access to the original items to figure out
what they really are. Now I gotta go and dig up what copies I have of
these. I wonder if there is any tie-ins with the Tale Spinners series
on United Artists.
Michael Biel mbiel@[removed]
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:43:31 -0500
From: Elizabeth McLeod <lizmcl@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Loomis's Signals
George Wagner contends,
But I fail to see why Dr. Mahlon Loomis'
transmission of coded electrical signals without the
use of wires - by electrical "brute force" or not -
makes him any less the father of radio.
Basically, it all comes down to a simple fact: Loomis didn't use radio
waves in his experiments, nor is there any evidence to suggest he was
ever aware of such waves. He used static electricity -- not Hertzian
electromagnetic waves generated in the radio-frequency spectrum and then
modulated to carry information. His system, as described in his patent,
was incapable of generating, detecting, or demodulating such waves.
Without those waves, it isn't radio. Magnetic induction, electrostatic
coupling, and electrical conduction may all be used to transmit signals
across short distances without wires -- but these systems aren't radio,
any more than a steam engine is a diesel engine just because they can
both be used to run a vehicle.
Elizabeth
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 19:19:50 -0500
From: "Phil Watson" <philwats@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Bing Crosby [removed]
Last Saturday the BBC broadcast an hour-long documentary in their Archive
Hour series called "Bing Crosby Meets". "In it, writer and record producer
Ken Barnes explores the story of Bing's radio career which began in 1931 and
lasted almost 30 years. This celebration of those golden radio years
includes extracts from Crosby's shows when he duetted with some of the
world's best known entertainers, such as Garland, Fitzgerald, Jolson &
Sinatra."
If any American members didn't hear it and are interested I recorded the
show and can make it available on audio CD. Please contact me off-list.
Regards & season's greetings
Phil Watson
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Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 21:48:26 -0500
From: "A. Joseph Ross" <lawyer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Happy Birthday To You"
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 13:10:44 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
The original song is now, in fact, a copyrighted piece of music, though
it wasn’t at the time.
How is this possible? Once anything is in the public domain, it can't go
back under copyright. The tune, at least, is and has been under
copyright belonging to the heirs of the two women who wrote the song
(originally "Good Morning to You"). I think the copyright is due to
expire soon, but it may have been extended by the law passed around 1998
which extends the duration of all copyrights.
The movie "It's a Wonderful Life" is not an example of a work going
"back" under copyright. I don't recall all the details (I'm sure someone
around here does and will fill us in), but the film was thought to be in
the public domain for some time, and most of it was. But someone, if I
recall correctly, realized they still owned rights to the music, which
was not in the public domain, and that's how the film was brought back
under control. The portions of the film which were in the public domain
still are, but the film can't be shown without the parts that are still
copyrighted. It wasn't that those parts ever weren't under copyright,
just that the copyright holders didn't realize they had the rights.
--
A. Joseph Ross, [removed] [removed]
15 Court Square, Suite 210 lawyer@[removed]
Boston, MA 02108-2503 [removed]
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