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The Old-Time Radio Digest!
Volume 2003 : Issue 56
A Part of the [removed]!
ISSN: 1533-9289
Today's Topics:
In response [ lawrence albert <albertlarry@yahoo. ]
Re: Need Help Remembering [ "Harlan Zinck" <preservation@radioa ]
Re: Johnny Dollar theme [ John Mayer <mayer@[removed]; ]
PS [ "Harlan Zinck" <preservation@radioa ]
Free Downloads [ "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed] ]
"Standard American (& Canadian) Engl [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
More on Dragnet [ Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed] ]
Jack Webb comedy show [ John <glowingdial1@[removed]; ]
more on Jack Webb [ John <glowingdial1@[removed]; ]
Australian Radio Transcription Part [ "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed]. ]
Today in radio history [ Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed] ]
Grandma's Lye Soap [ "Joe Cline" <[removed]@[removed] ]
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 00:53:31 -0500
From: lawrence albert <albertlarry@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: In response
I wrote:
The new show, if done in the style
of the old would be a joke. The target audience of
the
networks and advertisers would laugh it off the
screen. As it is, from the reviews I've already read
I
doubt the show will be with us too long
Mr. Kallis replied:
Well, it's hard to have it both ways: if is was
changed to reach a new
target audience, then the reviews should have been
more sympathetic.
Reviews are not written by the audience. Regardless
of the target audience a critic will write what she or
he will write. Just because a show is a changed to
meet the times doesn't make it good, and I never said
it did. My whole point is the attachment of some kind
of quasi-untouchable mystique to the original version
of Dragnet. Yes Jack Webb was a great supporter of the
police and wanted to show the public what they did for
a living. But he was also out to make money, and
Dragnet was his ticket to the top. He himself said
that he would rather be a commercial success then an
artistic one.
Also, if it's targeted to a new target audience, then
why appeal to
those
who saw the old show?
Any intelligent public relations hack would say that
to bring back a show like Dragnet and not make
reference to the old version would be criminally
stupid. That doesn't mean they're after the
middle-aged crowd over 50 (of which I am one). They'd
like us to watch the show but we're not the money the
advertisers are after.
RyanO wrote:
Would we want someone else to
interpret
Marlon Brando's role as The Godfather? Should someone
other than
Leonard
Nimoy play Mr. Spock?
Why not? Must the roles be made unobtainable to
other actors simply because one person played the role
to great effect in earlier versions? And since only
one other actor has played these parts, ie: Joe
Friday, how can we say their's is the definitive
portrayal?
What Hollywood director would ever dare remake
the
likes of Citizen Cane, Casablanca or Star Wars?
Casablanca has been remade twice as a TV series, so
some director evidently dared. However, they both
failed. Someday someone may tackle Citizen Kane. It
would take courage, but the challenge could be quite a
magnet.
My whole reason for writing the earlier posting
was to try and put a perspective on the "new" and
"old" discussion regarding Dragnet. I knew I'd step on
some toes. Again, I love OTR. I've been a collector
for over thirty years. I listen to tapes in my car
everyday. But I use it as entertainment, just as I use
television, books and music. To many of you is appears
to be much more. A doorway to your past perhaps or a
portal to a time you've only read about in books or
seen in old movies. I don't know. What I do know is
that most of the long running shows were long running
as long as the sponsors product sold. Not all maybe,
but most. Radio was and is a business first and
foremost. As is every other form of mass media
entertainment. Nothing is sacred if it looks like it
will make a buck. As Lennie Briscoe would say on Law &
Order "That's the American way."
OK, I'm done.
Larry Albert
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:21:59 -0500
From: "Harlan Zinck" <preservation@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Re: Need Help Remembering
"David H. Buswell" <dbuswell@[removed]; writes:
who did a "novelty" recording that was played over and over on OTR circa
1950. One side of the recording was devoted to a song entitled "Grandma's
Lye Soap" and the flip side was a number that I believe was called "It's
In
the Book." I'd be grateful if anyone can help my flagging gray cells.
I'd
be ecstatic if there's a site on the web that would give the lyrics.
The recording was indeed titled "It's In the Book" and was recorded by
Johnny Standley, accompanied by Horace Heidt and his Orchestra. It was a
decent sized hit in 1952.
I'd be ecstatic if there's a site on the web that would give the lyrics.
Okay, here you go:
[removed]
Harlan
Harlan Zinck
First Generation Radio Archives
[removed]
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:22:24 -0500
From: John Mayer <mayer@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Re: Johnny Dollar theme
mark koldys <mkoldys@[removed]; answered this query:
..last time Johnny Dollar theme music was thrashed about on this [removed]
with this pointer: "See here: [removed] "
I'll also reiterate the reason for my initial curiosity: I couldn't
escape the notion that that same music had been used as the theme for
television's _Seahunt_. It was. I don't recall finding any clips of
the YTJD theme, though, of course, you can find the entire show,
theme and all, easily enough. There are clips at a couple of fan
sites for the _Seahunt_ theme, though, if you'd like to seek them
out. If you can't find them I might have bookmarked them, though I'm
not sure in which of about five browsers I have used in the last year.
--
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 02:22:37 -0500
From: "Harlan Zinck" <preservation@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: PS
PS: You can hear the original recording of "It's In the Book" ("Grandma's
Lye Soap"), along with many other 50's favorites in Real Audio at the
following site:
[removed]~[removed]
Harlan
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:22:51 -0500
From: "Jerry Haendiges" <Jerry@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Free Downloads
Hi friends,
Thom Bray mentioned;
While investigating the options around to "broadcast" some OTR >>over the
net
(stream via mp3 or real), I was shocked at the cost of data bandwidth
transfer.
This moved me to post to this forum my thanks to all of the brave souls who
make free programming available over the net. It is hugely costly to do
so, and we should all tip or hats in thanks!
Thanks, Thom, for bringing this up. Yes, our costs are very high and I
don't think most people realize it. At present the cost of supplying my
Olde Tyme Radio Network, from which I broadcast my own Same Time, Same
Station and Tom Heathwood's Heritage Radio Theater costs between $400 and
$500 a month. This is over and above the costs for my other two commercial
Websites, [removed] and [removed]
The Olde Tyme Radio Network has exponentially been increasing in
popularity
since it's inception one year ago. In the month of January, the broadcast
page received over187,000 hits and we are presently averaging over 6,000
hits a day. The transfer rate (that comes from the shows you are listening
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that all programs are in exceptional [removed] best you'll hear
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We began this project with no cost whatsoever to the listener. There
is
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order to help mitigate these ever-increasing costs, we began offering weekly
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:25:15 -0500
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: "Standard American (& Canadian) English"
I often listen to "As It Happens", a Canadian Broadcasting Corporation
(CBC) program that is carried on a local NPR station. Its hosts seem to
speak what we in the States call "Standard American English". One segment
of the show features call-in comments from listeners all over Canada; it's
surprising to me that most of the callers use the same "standard"
pronunciation/dialect, save a few "aboots" here and there - and maybe some
French accents from Quebec listeners.
I wonder how this came to be?
Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm drawing too-broad conclusions from just one CBC
[removed] can some other OTRers help here?
By the way, does anyone know if early Canadian radio personalities usually
speak in this "America Standard" way, or did they use more of "the King's
English" on their shows?
Just curious,
Herb Harrison
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:25:46 -0500
From: Herb Harrison <herbop@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: More on Dragnet
Stephen A. Kallis, Jr. writes, in part:
If done skillfully, a new Dragnet could be as interesting as the old.
Shows like CSI and its quasi-clone Law And Order equivalent (Criminal
Intent) are as procedural as the old Dragnet, yet have good audience
shares. A procedural show updated would work well.
Does anybody remember "Dragnet 1968"? That was an "updated" TV series by &
with Jack Webb that attempted to replicate the success of the original
radio & TV series. It didn't work. It was boring. It was canceled after one
or two seasons.
Herb Harrison
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:26:02 -0500
From: John <glowingdial1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: Jack Webb comedy show
Hi fellow digesters, A few have asked about Jack Webb's comedy show and
where they might get episodes. As has been said before, only two are known
to exist and yes, they are groaners. But, I like that type of humor as most
of my jokes get groans too. I have the two episodes available for download
on my site if anyone is intertsted at
[removed] . Enjoy and I'll see you on the
radio!
John W. Matthews
The Glowing Dial Page
The Project UFO Page
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:28:03 -0500
From: John <glowingdial1@[removed];
To: [removed]@[removed]
Subject: more on Jack Webb
Hi digesters, CHET <voxpop@[removed]; asked:
when i was around 16 or 17 jack webb had 2 shows that i remember
listening to and havent heard either of them since.
pat novak for hire and johnny modero.
in one of these shows he used extremely clever descriptive phrases ie
"he had as much chance as a christmas tree salesman in july" and "the
butler opened the door ..his eyes were blue the color of washed out levis"
the question [removed] show was it with the colorful phrases?
Werll, I think the lines you remember, Chet are most likely from the Johnny
Madero series. Not to toot my own horn again but I have 2 Johnny Madero
episodes and most Pat Novak (in rotation) on my site at
[removed] if you want to hear them again.
John Matthews
The Glowing Dial Page
The Project UFO Page
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:28:10 -0500
From: "Ian Grieve" <austotr@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Australian Radio Transcription Part 2
This is the 2nd series in the 159 Australian Transcriptions found in Nova
Scotia. Today we discovered another actor, Roger Climpson, was a regular in
the series as an offsider for Grey Goose. Roger Climpson in Australia is
better know for his Televison role as a National News reader and he also
Fronted Australia's Most Wanted and This is your life. Quite a combination,
but they were actually years apart :)
As you can see I have found contradicting information as to the writer of
the series, however I hope to solve this in the near future. Unfortunately
both E. Mason Wood and Michael Noonan are no longer with us, so it is not a
matter of asking them.
GREY GOOSE - 1953 104 1/4 hour Episodes - Complete
Written by ? (last transcription says E. Mason Wood, but Michael Noonan's
scripts
held by the National Library of Australia includes the draft script of Grey
Goose)
Produced by E. Mason Wood
Grey Goose alias Rolland Fletcher - played by James Mills
Offsider Barbara Haversham - played by Irene Harpur
Inspector Ben (Ebonezer) Ford - played by Reginald Goldsworthy
Grey Goose is a modern Robin Hood, righting wrongs.
He steals from people who have wronged him or wronged those close to him.
Barbara Haversham's Father was wrongfully jailed by people who were then
targeted by the Grey Goose. He relieves them of their money and goods which
he then gives to the needy, less his commission.
Grey Goose is chased by Inspector Ford and to make sure Ford stays on his
trail, Grey Goose leaves a Grey Goose feather at the scene of his crimes.
BIO
E. MASON WOOD (Woody)
Producer, writer, stage actor, singer.
By 1941 Woody was MacQuarie's Chief Producer, and Production Manager for the
MacQuarie Network
Big Brother - Sciptwriter
Caltex Theatre - Producer
Double Indemnity - Producer
Dragonwyck - Producer
Dr Mac - Creator
Four Corners and the - Producer
Inner Sanctum - Director
Jones Junior - Producer
Library of the Air - Producer
MacQuarie Radio - Producer
Moon and Sixpence, - Actor
Musical Comedy - Producer
No Rainbow in the Sky - Producer - Scriptwriter
Razors Edge - Producer
Rebecca - Producer
Tom Corbett Space - Producer
We Love and Learn - Producer
The Witch's Tale - Writer
JAMES MILLS:
31/05/1953 Caltex Theatre ep186 The English Family
03/01/1954 Caltex Theatre ep191 Lord athur Savile's Crime
04/04/1954 Caltex Theatre ep204 Henrietta [removed]
01/08/1954 Caltex Theatre ep221 Journey's End
07/06/1954 Famous Trials ep48 Saga Of Captain Kidd
17/09/1954 Famous Trials ep56 Widows Are Wonderful
19/11/1954 Famous Trials ep65 The Countess Disappears
17/12/1954 Famous Trials ep69 The Man Who Broke The
05/08/1953 General Motors Hour ep29 Strangers Road
04/11/1953 General Motors Hour ep41 We the Living
30/12/1953 General Motors Hour ep48 The Advancement of Mr
03/02/1954 General Motors Hour ep109 The Devil's General
24/03/1954 General Motors Hour ep116 Plain Murder
12/05/1954 General Motors Hour ep123 The Enemey In The House
04/08/1954 General Motors Hour ep135 The Man In The White Suit
15/09/1954 General Motors Hour ep141 A Chance of Happiness
29/12/1954 General Motors Hour ep154 The Queen Of Calabash Island
12/07/1954 Rola Show, The ep178 The Musicians
Radio Series:
Air Adventures of Biggles - Biggles
Fallen Angel
Grey Goose
Undercover Carson - Sir Giles Daverport
IRENE HARPUR:
10/07/1953 Australian Radio Theatre ep1 The Thin Man
01/04/1953 General Motors Hour ep89 The Closing Door
24/06/1953 General Motors Hour ep102 The Violent Friends
22/07/1953 General Motors Hour ep27 Angel
04/11/1953 General Motors Hour ep41 We the Living
17/03/1954 General Motors Hour ep115 Treasure on Pelican
23/06/1954 General Motors Hour ep129 The Tudor Wench
02/02/1941 Lux Radio Theatre ep98 Rebecca
26/09/1943 Lux Radio Theatre ep231 Nuetral Port
01/07/1945 Lux Radio Theatre ep317 Clarence
21/07/1946 Lux Radio Theatre ep371 When you're in Love
23/02/1947 Lux Radio Theatre ep401 Pardon My Past
10/04/1949 Lux Radio Theatre ep509 The Farmers Daughter
29/05/1949 Lux Radio Theatre ep516 The Lady Asks for Help
18/09/1949 Lux Radio Theatre ep532 Nobody Lives Forever
16/07/1950 Lux Radio Theatre ep574 The Snake Pit
26/11/1950 Lux Radio Theatre ep593 Summer In December
08/12/1952 Mantrap ep3 The Cat was an Accomplice
13/04/1953 Mantrap ep21 The Doctor Who Wasn't
17/10/1950 Theatre of Thrills ep1 Beyond the Border
24/10/1950 Theatre of Thrills ep2 Blue - For Danger
Radio Series:
Defender, The - Actor
Digger Hales Daughter - Betty Hale
Family Fortune - Actor
House that Margaret - Actor
Inside World - Actor
Louis XV - Actor
Moon and Sixpence, - Actor
Old Goroit - Jennifer Rene
Pace that Kills, The - Actor
Private Secretary - Actor
Thundering Hooves - Actor
Todds, The - Actor
Trilby - Actor
REGINALD GOLDSWORTHY:
15/09/1951 Caltex Theatre ep102 I Must Kill Toni
27/10/1951 Caltex Theatre ep108 Alias, Mr Tilight
12/04/1952 Caltex Theatre ep131 Dodsworth
10/05/1952 Caltex Theatre ep135 Possessed
11/01/1953 Caltex Theatre ep167 Who Goes There
22/02/1953 Caltex Theatre ep173 A Cuckoo In The Nest
26/07/1953 Caltex Theatre ep146 Long March
08/11/1953 Caltex Theatre ep160 Stranger in the House
15/11/1953 Caltex Theatre ep161 Edward, My Son
31/01/1954 Caltex Theatre ep195 To Dorothy, A Son
25/04/1954 Caltex Theatre ep207 The Night Of January 16
29/01/1953 Fate Walked Beside Me ep3 Louis Braille
12/03/1952 General Motors Hour ep6 The Beabbachy Beach Bomb
03/06/1953 General Motors Hour ep99 Henry V
17/06/1953 General Motors Hour ep101 The Woman With Red Hair
13/01/1954 General Motors Hour ep106 The Gioconda
10/02/1954 General Motors Hour ep110 Be Your Age
21/07/1954 General Motors Hour ep133 The Blue Goose
22/12/1954 General Motors Hour ep153 Down Came A Blackbird
11/02/1952 I Hate Crime ep85 Dame in Distress
31/03/1952 I Hate Crime ep91 Card Trick
01/08/1948 Lux Radio Theatre ep474 Ride a Cork Horse
03/10/1948 Lux Radio Theatre ep482 Blue Goose
21/08/1949 Lux Radio Theatre ep528 Every Girl Should Be Married
18/09/1949 Lux Radio Theatre ep532 Nobody Lives Forever
27/11/1949 Lux Radio Theatre ep541 Pygmalion
16/04/1950 Lux Radio Theatre ep561 Sweet Home
16/07/1950 Lux Radio Theatre ep574 The Snake Pit
09/11/1953 Mantrap ep51 Nice Night For A Corpse
15/01/1953 Philip Marlow Investigates ep1 Lady in the Lake
05/07/1949 Rola Show, The ep53 Whistler
23/01/1951 Rola Show, The ep17 The Improbable Adventure
14/07/1951 Rola Show, The ep53 Smiling Azalea
11/04/1952 Rola Show, The ep75 The Tree That Chose Itself
20/09/1952 Strange Wills ep26 South Sea Story
07/11/1952 Strange Wills ep33 The Broken Canvas
19/12/1952 Strange Wills ep39 Four Walls
26/12/1950 Theatre of Thrills ep11 They Lied To Henry Wilson
16/01/1951 Theatre of Thrills ep14 The Man Who Wouldn't
23/01/1951 Theatre of Thrills ep15 Bird Of Ill Omen
17/11/1951 Theatre of Thrills ep18 Auld Acquaintance
06/05/1954 Thirty Minutes to Go ep6 The Time Limit
29/07/1954 Thirty Minutes to Go ep18 Aeroplane Adventure
12/08/1954 Thirty Minutes to Go ep20 The Time Limit
Radio Series:
A Place of Honour - Actor
Above Suspicion - Henry Van Cartland
Alias Dusty Logan - Actor
Amazing Duchess - Actor
Angels Flight - Edwin Smith
Appointment with Fate - Sciptwriter
Bing - Bing
Blackmail - Actor
Caltex Theatre - Producer
Castle of Mirrors, The - Actor
Cat Scratches, The - Actor
Command Performance - Actor
Dinner at Antoine's - Russell Aldridge
Dossier on Dumetrius - Peter Ridgeway
Dragnet - Actor
Dragonwyck - Actor
Enter A murderer - Arthur Surbonadier
Evil Lady - Actor
Flying 55 - Actor
Fortunate Wayfarer - Actor
Four Generations - Algernon
Frenchman's Creek - Jean
Imperial Lover - Actor
Jalna - Piers
Jimmy Colt - Actor
Legend of Kathy Warren - Frederick Vernon
Life and Songs of Irving - Irving Berlin
Lord Arthur Saville's - Actor
Man Hunt - Actor
Michael Shayne - Actor
My Friend Irma - Announcer
Nurse White - Murchison
On The Spot - Actor
Overture to Death - Actor
Second Mrs Manning, - Actor
Sherlock Holmes - Actor
Sport of Kings, The - Actor
Story of Jane Armitage - Maxwell Dalton
This is My Story - Actor
To Have and to Hold - Actor
Twenty Six Hours - Otto
Voice of the Snake - Actor
Whisering Voice Murders - Robert
Women Scorned, A - Actor
You be the Judge Actor
I would like to thank those who have written to me over the last couple of
days regarding these series. It was an amazing find, but I was very lucky
to be in the right place at the right time and my thanks to the gentleman
who did actually find them.
Tomorrow the final series and the odds and ends. With the final series, the
cast is not yet known but we are working on it.
Ian Grieve
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:28:31 -0500
From: Joe Mackey <joemackey108@[removed];
To: otr-net <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Today in radio history
>From Those Were The Days --
Birthday:
1918 - Ida Lupino, died Aug 3, 1995
Joe
--
Visit my home page:
[removed]~[removed]
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Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:29:01 -0500
From: "Joe Cline" <[removed]@[removed];
To: <[removed]@[removed];
Subject: Grandma's Lye Soap
Written by Johnny Standley and Art Thorsen.
The lyrics are at: [removed]
Standley also wrote "It's In The Book"; the lyrics are at:
[removed]
Joe Cline
Charlotte
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